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Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1290 on: June 19, 2018, 12:12:31 PM »
Weird - I thought the case could only reopen on the emergence of fresh evidence, so is the judge calling into question the legality of the Portuguese re-investigation?
No they say it was reopened to recheck the evidence.  (Pedro do Carmo says something like that in the 10 year anniversary documentary.) https://youtu.be/UFuhRil4dvc?t=4635
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1291 on: June 19, 2018, 12:16:00 PM »
Weird - I thought the case could only reopen on the emergence of fresh evidence, so is the judge calling into question the legality of the Portuguese re-investigation?

The Portuguese claimed they had fresh  evidence

Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1292 on: June 19, 2018, 12:16:38 PM »
It confirms the investigation  was opened under 279/1...when you claimed, it was not possible

You need to look at your cite again.... It contains official statements.. But with added unnoficial comment... It looks to me as though your cite is unnoficial comment

The SC judges (not I) said that if the case were archived using 277/1 it couldn't be reopened;

In fact, if the investigation had been closed according to the terms of the first paragraph of the same article, it could not be reopened (cf. CPP, reviewed, 2016, 2nd ed., by Henriques Gaspar, Santos Cabral, Maia Costa, Oliveira Mendes, Pereira Madeira and Henriques da Graça, pp.929, 932-3.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/STJ_21_03_2017_Rejected.htm

The translation was provided by Anne Guedes and the original document is shown. If you are questioning the translation feel free to give your version.

Why did you quote 279/1? What is the relevance?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1293 on: June 19, 2018, 12:17:00 PM »
The Portuguese claimed they had fresh  evidence
Cite please?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1294 on: June 19, 2018, 12:17:13 PM »
No they say it was reopened to recheck the evidence.  (Pedro do Carmo says something like that in the 10 year anniversary documentary.) https://youtu.be/UFuhRil4dvc?t=4635

I'm almost certain you are wrong

Offline Erngath

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1295 on: June 19, 2018, 12:17:21 PM »
The topic is the ECHR... Not spelling... Certain posters make continual speling and grammatical errors... I don't pointbthem out... It's pointless


If you did, you would be very busy with some posters.
I believe that as long as one can understand the gist of the post then spelling mistakes don't matter.
However I do find misspelling Madeleine's name rather irritating.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1296 on: June 19, 2018, 12:18:33 PM »
Cite please?

Om posting from a phone... I'm sure another knowledgable poster will be along soon to help... As I remember it related to the tractor driver

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1297 on: June 19, 2018, 12:20:57 PM »
@Robbitybob & @Vertigo Swirls.
I have responded to the bit about quoting Judge Emilia several tmes. It has been scattered over this forum like bleedin' confetti for about two years.
How would I know what the judge is doing/has done?. She did it two years ago so one presumes some are a bit slow on the uptake if they have still not clocked it.

Article 279 under which the case was reopened if we believe the cite provided deals with (seemingly)
 "Criminal Liability of Corporate Entities under Portuguese Law"
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1298 on: June 19, 2018, 12:22:23 PM »
No they say it was reopened to recheck the evidence.  (Pedro do Carmo says something like that in the 10 year anniversary documentary.) https://youtu.be/UFuhRil4dvc?t=4635

The Public Ministry determined the reopening of the inquest concerning the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, according to article 279º, no 1, of the Code of Criminal Procedure, following a proposal of the Judiciary Police and following the submission of new evidentiary elements which justify furthering the investigation.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1299 on: June 19, 2018, 12:27:14 PM »
The Public Ministry determined the reopening of the inquest concerning the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, according to article 279º, no 1, of the Code of Criminal Procedure, following a proposal of the Judiciary Police and following the submission of new evidentiary elements which justify furthering the investigation.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

So new evidence

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1300 on: June 19, 2018, 12:28:20 PM »
@Robbitybob & @Vertigo Swirls.
I have responded to the bit about quoting Judge Emilia several tmes. It has been scattered over this forum like bleedin' confetti for about two years.
How would I know what the judge is doing/has done?. She did it two years ago so one presumes some are a bit slow on the uptake if they have still not clocked it.

Article 279 under which the case was reopened if we believe the cite provided deals with (seemingly)
 "Criminal Liability of Corporate Entities under Portuguese Law"
Sorry for asking!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1301 on: June 19, 2018, 12:35:59 PM »
@Robbitybob & @Vertigo Swirls.
I have responded to the bit about quoting Judge Emilia several tmes. It has been scattered over this forum like bleedin' confetti for about two years.
How would I know what the judge is doing/has done?. She did it two years ago so one presumes some are a bit slow on the uptake if they have still not clocked it.

Article 279 under which the case was reopened if we believe the cite provided deals with (seemingly)
 "Criminal Liability of Corporate Entities under Portuguese Law"

That is odd isn't it?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1302 on: June 19, 2018, 12:38:14 PM »
That is odd isn't it?

Because it isn't true... Imo

Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1303 on: June 19, 2018, 12:41:04 PM »
Because it isn't true... Imo
Carana might be able to sort this mess.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #1304 on: June 19, 2018, 12:41:24 PM »
@Robbitybob & @Vertigo Swirls.
I have responded to the bit about quoting Judge Emilia several tmes. It has been scattered over this forum like bleedin' confetti for about two years.
How would I know what the judge is doing/has done?. She did it two years ago so one presumes some are a bit slow on the uptake if they have still not clocked it.

Article 279 under which the case was reopened if we believe the cite provided deals with (seemingly)
 "Criminal Liability of Corporate Entities under Portuguese Law"

Thank goodness for Anne Guedes (I could't find anything which made sense re 279);

Article 279 - Reopening of the investigation

1. Once the period referred to in the previous article has expired, the investigation may be reopened only if new evidence appears to invalidate the grounds invoked by the Public Ministry in the filing order.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

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