McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

I used this as a reference for the sequence of investigative phases:-
http://www.ecba.org/extdocserv/projects/JusticeForum/Portugal180309.pdf

Both versions of 277 refer to the crime...was their sufficient evidence to show taht a crime ahd been committed

[slartibartfast]

Both versions of 277 refer to the crime...was their sufficient evidence to show taht a crime ahd been committed

No, unless you count the alerts. IMO

[Mr Gray]

No, unless you count the alerts. IMO

the alerts were referred to as  indications ...not evidence in the archiving report...and have no evidential value

[slartibartfast]

the alerts were referred to as  indications ...not evidence in the archiving report...and have no evidential value

So that’s no evidence of a crime then.

[Mr Gray]

So that’s no evidence of a crime then.

read the link re 277...it doesnt even mention evidence... I would say there is evidence...but not proof.. of a crime...but the alerts have no evidential value...and imo have been a complete red herring...I also believe that anyone who believes taht the alerts point to a cadaver in 5A is seriously misguided and doesnt understand the significance of the alerts

[Robittybob1]

read the link re 277...it doesnt even mention evidence... I would say there is evidence...but not proof.. of a crime...but the alerts have no evidential value...and imo have been a complete red herring...I also believe that anyone who believes taht the alerts point to a cadaver in 5A is seriously misguided and doesnt understand the significance of the alerts

Be a little careful that your own opinion isn't just an insult to someone else.  I think the alerts point to a cadaver, but that cadaver isn't Madeleine.  OK but then I read that you think because of that I'm "seriously misguided and don't understand the significance of the alerts".
I'm in two minds whether to bowl your post.

[Mr Gray]

Be a little careful that your own opinion isn't just an insult to someone else.  I think the alerts point to a cadaver, but that cadaver isn't Madeleine.  OK but then I read that you think because of that I'm "seriously misguided and don't understand the significance of the alerts".
I'm in two minds whether to bowl your post.

according to mark harrison ...no inferences can be drawn from the alerts...Im not stating my opinion...Im stating the opinion of one of the expertds in the case....you are drawing an inference from the alerts....mark harrison says you are wrong...not me..If the forum wants to ignore the opinion of the expert...then so be it...my opinion...is my opinion ...and based on fact

[Mr Gray]

Be a little careful that your own opinion isn't just an insult to someone else.  I think the alerts point to a cadaver, but that cadaver isn't Madeleine.  OK but then I read that you think because of that I'm "seriously misguided and don't understand the significance of the alerts".
I'm in two minds whether to bowl your post.

so what evidence do you base your opinion that there was a cadaver in 5a...seing as the experts tell us the alerts ahve no evidential value or reliability

[Robittybob1]

so what evidence do you base your opinion that there was a cadaver in 5a...seing as the experts tell us the alerts ahve no evidential value or reliability

Are you quoting Grime?  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

"It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."

I read that as Martin Grime himself felt the alert was to a possible cadaver previously being there.

[Brietta]

read the link re 277...it doesnt even mention evidence... I would say there is evidence...but not proof.. of a crime...but the alerts have no evidential value...and imo have been a complete red herring...I also believe that anyone who believes taht the alerts point to a cadaver in 5A is seriously misguided and doesnt understand the significance of the alerts

I think there may have been an excuse for people to be misguided when they were reliant on false newspaper reports.

In my opinion immediately the full FSS results came in it became self evident that the suspicions and allegations the McCanns had suffered were misguided to say the least.

Continuing the baseless accusation for the next eleven years until the present day is in my opinion something which never should have happened and wouldn't have in an ideal world.  Unfortunately there is no such thing as an ideal world, is there?
All we can do is strive to make it better.

[Mr Gray]

Are you quoting Grime?  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

"It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."

I read that as Martin Grime himself felt the alert was to a possible cadaver previously being there.

there was a possibility of a cadaver being there ...without the dogs...Im quoting Harrison..


Im happy to accept that there was a cadaver in  5a...I dont need the dogs to tell me that

[Mr Gray]

I think there may have been an excuse for people to be misguided when they were reliant on false newspaper reports.

In my opinion immediately the full FSS results came in it became self evident that the suspicions and allegations the McCanns had suffered were misguided to say the least.

Continuing the baseless accusation for the next eleven years until the present day is in my opinion something which never should have happened and wouldn't have in an ideal world.  Unfortunately there is no such thing as an ideal world, is there?
All we can do is strive to make it better.

perhaps rob will feel he should ..bowl your post....

[Alice Purjorick]

I think there may have been an excuse for people to be misguided when they were reliant on false newspaper reports.

In my opinion immediately the full FSS results came in it became self evident that the suspicions and allegations the McCanns had suffered were misguided to say the least.

Continuing the baseless accusation for the next eleven years until the present day is in my opinion something which never should have happened and wouldn't have in an ideal world.  Unfortunately there is no such thing as an ideal world, is there?
All we can do is strive to make it better.

Never tust the press.
One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Never tust the press.
One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive.

Indeed!  That has been my thinking- they should be on the suspicion list purely for that fact they both claimed that on that particular night of all nights (what a coincidence!) they both did a physical check- all other evenings were 'listening'.  When did Gerry tell Kate he did a open door -saw Maddie sleeping check?  Hmmmm

[Mr Gray]

Never tust the press.
One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive.

that is absolutely fine and a non disputable fact