McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Alice Purjorick]

It would appear the rules are adjusted to suit whichever players are on the field at the time.

Do you have an example of this in practice?

[Robittybob1]

Do you have an example of this in practice?

This case.

[Alice Purjorick]

This case.

OK; delineate then.

[Robittybob1]

OK; delineate then.

The way it was archived under one clause and later reopened, and then even later said it was archived under a different clause.  That is what I understood the case to be.

[misty]

Do you have an example of this in practice?

I thought I'd already cited one in Socrates. Maybe this will help.http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6455.45

[Alice Purjorick]

The way it was archived under one clause and later reopened, and then even later said it was archived under a different clause.  That is what I understood the case to be.

The SC explained in detail a) why it was not incorrect and b) why their response was permissible.

[Robittybob1]

The SC explained in detail a) why it was not incorrect and b) why their response was permissible.

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Yes OK but aren't they just excuses that allow complaints like this: "the rules are adjusted to suit whichever players are on the field at the time".

[Carana]

https://www.ft.com/content/ca71ca96-ae89-11e7-aab9-abaa44b1e130

Former Portuguese PM Jose Sócrates charged with corruption

Peter Wise in Lisbon OCTOBER 11, 2017

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........   The formal charges come almost three years after Mr Sócrates was named as an arguido, or formal suspect, in the case. ...................

   After being named a suspect in the case in November 2014, Mr Sócrates was held in jail for nine months under laws that enable investigators to detain suspects in serious cases for long periods without bringing formal charges while they pursue their inquiries. He was released from detention two years ago, but formally charged on Wednesday.

The former prime minister has repeatedly accused state prosecutors of abusing his democratic rights by failing to bring formal charges sooner.
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It seems there are exceptions to the rules.

http://www.pgdlisboa.pt/leis/lei_mostra_articulado.php?tabela=leis&artigo_id=&nid=199&ficha=201&pagina=&nversao=&so_miolo=

I assume that the link is the latest CPP (which may have changed, yet again, since when he was first made arguido.)

Article 276 is the one we've looked at before (but an earlier version) on how long an inquiry can last without either laying charges or archiving it. The time limit is longer for, e.g., organised crime inquiries, or where there are numerous victims or arguidos.

It also refers to circumstances mentioned in Article 215, which is about how long someone can be held on remand depending on the nature of the crime and its complexity.

If I've understood 276/5, if ILORs have to be sent off and results waited for, the clock stops for up to half of the normal inquiry time.

Even so, 3 years sounds as if they were running somewhat late, but there could be exceptional circumstances of some kind.

ETA: missinng word for clarity: since.

[G-Unit]

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Yes OK but aren't they just excuses that allow complaints like this: "the rules are adjusted to suit whichever players are on the field at the time".

I'm constantly surprised how people with no knowledge of how and why something us done in another country can have the effrontery to make disparaging comments.

[Carana]

I can see why the Socrates case would have fallen into the longer timeframe category...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-corruption-socrates/portuguese-ex-pm-socrates-indicted-on-corruption-charges-idUSKBN1CG1U5

[Robittybob1]

I'm constantly surprised how people with no knowledge of how and why something us done in another country can have the effrontery to make disparaging comments.

Well did you read https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-corruption-socrates/portuguese-ex-pm-socrates-indicted-on-corruption-charges-idUSKBN1CG1U5?  That hardly inspires confidence in the system does it.

[slartibartfast]

Well did you read https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-corruption-socrates/portuguese-ex-pm-socrates-indicted-on-corruption-charges-idUSKBN1CG1U5?  That hardly inspires confidence in the system does it.

Have you seen what has been going on in the USA recently?

[Venturi Swirl]

Have you seen what has been going on in the USA recently?

Whataboutery.

[jassi]

Whataboutery.

Very good   

[Robittybob1]

Have you seen what has been going on in the USA recently?

What exactly?