Author Topic: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights  (Read 530308 times)

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3090 on: August 29, 2019, 09:53:28 PM »
I was aware of many not being taken in by them due to their demenure pre and post their daughters disappearance.

It fell further according to the papers allowing readers to comment. And then having it published. They over played the 'victim card' IMO
”Demenure”?  What is that?
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Offline misty

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3091 on: August 29, 2019, 10:20:09 PM »
The Articles to be used in an application to the ECHR must be brought to the attention of the national courts at every hearing. In this case that means in the court of the first instance, in the appeal court and in the supreme court.



https://inforrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mccanns-v-amaral-judgment.pdf

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/STJ_Site.htm  Click on link  STJ -   1454 / 09.5TVLSB.L1.S1   

The McCanns were, of course, successful in the first instance court.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3092 on: August 30, 2019, 12:05:31 AM »
As yet, there is nothing to indicate that the case will even be heard.
Boris will deal with it after Brexit.
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Offline John

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3093 on: August 30, 2019, 12:51:38 AM »
Boris will deal with it after Brexit.

An interesting scenario arises post Brexit for UK citizens and access to the ECHR.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3094 on: August 30, 2019, 07:03:43 AM »
An interesting scenario arises post Brexit for UK citizens and access to the ECHR.

I don't see any reason why it should

Offline barrier

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3095 on: August 30, 2019, 07:13:12 AM »
I don't see any reason why it should


Are we bound by it forever? if indeed we do brexit.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3096 on: August 30, 2019, 07:25:36 AM »

Are we bound by it forever? if indeed we do brexit.

The case is against Portugal.. Not the UK

Offline barrier

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3097 on: August 30, 2019, 07:48:05 AM »
The case is against Portugal.. Not the UK

Really! but it involves uk citizens does it not,I'm not talking about the here and now what of in the future.
John made the point of after brexit,are we bound by it as a country and its citizens.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3098 on: August 30, 2019, 08:05:29 AM »
Really! but it involves uk citizens does it not,I'm not talking about the here and now what of in the future.
John made the point of after brexit,are we bound by it as a country and its citizens.
You do know that Russia is bound by the ECHR don’t you?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3099 on: August 30, 2019, 08:07:47 AM »
Really! but it involves uk citizens does it not,I'm not talking about the here and now what of in the future.
John made the point of after brexit,are we bound by it as a country and its citizens.

Yes we are.. The EU and the ECHR are seperate entities

Offline Eleanor

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3100 on: August 30, 2019, 08:23:28 AM »
Yes we are.. The EU and the ECHR are seperate entities

This is something that a lot of people don't understand.

Offline jassi

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3102 on: August 30, 2019, 10:18:49 AM »
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-human-rights-work/what-does-brexit-mean-equality-and-human-rights-uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-human-rights-act-repeal-brexit-echr-commons-parliament-conservatives-a8734886.html

From your link


The ECHR protects the human rights of people in countries that belong to the Council of Europe, which is a completely different organisation to the EU. The UK will still be signed up to the ECHR when it leaves the EU

Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3103 on: August 30, 2019, 10:23:44 AM »


https://inforrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mccanns-v-amaral-judgment.pdf

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/STJ_Site.htm  Click on link  STJ -   1454 / 09.5TVLSB.L1.S1   

The McCanns were, of course, successful in the first instance court.

The judge said "The protection of the rights of the claimants to their good name and reputation (Article 8) is, in this case, closely related to the presumption of innocence.(Article 6)

"In this case, the claimants Kate and Gerald MacCann never ceased to benefit from this presumption of innocence (Article 6) and from the imperative of behaviour that this presumption places on national judicial and justice authorities and all the civil servants and agents (Article 10)."

She ruled that Amaral was not allowed to say he thought the McCanns were guilty because he was a retired member of the Policia Judiciaria (Article 10). Not only did this damage their reputation (Article 8), it also affected their right to be presumed innocent by the authorities (Article 6).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

So Amaral lost because he was a retired Inspector of the Policia Judiciaria. Had he not been, he wouldn't have lost.

The Appeal court judges completely rejected this; "no reserve duty can be imposed on the defendant about facts that have been disclosed and made public, particularly the whole investigation process. Once the duty of reserve is non-existent, freedom of expression of the defendant comes first and prevails over the rights asserted by the claimants, as the sentence has observed before introducing the unusual duty of reserve.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Decision_19_04_2016.htm

So the case appears to rest on whether Amaral's freedom of expression was restricted or not.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #3104 on: August 30, 2019, 10:29:12 AM »
The judge said "The protection of the rights of the claimants to their good name and reputation (Article 8) is, in this case, closely related to the presumption of innocence.(Article 6)

"In this case, the claimants Kate and Gerald MacCann never ceased to benefit from this presumption of innocence (Article 6) and from the imperative of behaviour that this presumption places on national judicial and justice authorities and all the civil servants and agents (Article 10)."

She ruled that Amaral was not allowed to say he thought the McCanns were guilty because he was a retired member of the Policia Judiciaria (Article 10). Not only did this damage their reputation (Article 8), it also affected their right to be presumed innocent by the authorities (Article 6).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

So Amaral lost because he was a retired Inspector of the Policia Judiciaria. Had he not been, he wouldn't have lost.

The Appeal court judges completely rejected this; "no reserve duty can be imposed on the defendant about facts that have been disclosed and made public, particularly the whole investigation process. Once the duty of reserve is non-existent, freedom of expression of the defendant comes first and prevails over the rights asserted by the claimants, as the sentence has observed before introducing the unusual duty of reserve.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Decision_19_04_2016.htm

So the case appears to rest on whether Amaral's freedom of expression was restricted or not.

Imo it rests in whether amarals freedom of expression was restricted by the McCann's rights under article 8...and by the McCann's right to the presumption of innocence... Which  comes under, article 6