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Offline The General

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4485 on: January 05, 2022, 09:31:15 AM »
Oh dear!  Don’t you like being falsely accused?  Shouldn’t you just stay silent and take it on the chin like the McCanns should have done?
Strawman.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4486 on: January 05, 2022, 10:01:51 AM »
Strawman.

At least there's an acknowledgement that I have been falsely accused lol.
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Offline The General

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4487 on: January 05, 2022, 10:13:37 AM »
At least there's an acknowledgement that I have been falsely accused lol.
I know, I've been reading back.
Quite apart from this particular thread being irrevocable hijacked, the forum has descended in to nothing more than a distillation of the premise that Golding posited in Lord of the Flies.....'human nature, free from the constraints of society, draws people away from reason toward savagery'.

Maybe a sweep through with a new broom is in order.
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Offline Brietta

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4488 on: January 05, 2022, 10:29:08 AM »
I know, I've been reading back.
Quite apart from this particular thread being irrevocable hijacked, the forum has descended in to nothing more than a distillation of the premise that Golding posited in Lord of the Flies.....'human nature, free from the constraints of society, draws people away from reason toward savagery'.

Maybe a sweep through with a new broom is in order.

What an innovative thought that is.

Now that you have caught up with a critique of the forum - I eagerly await the posts from you 😁 which will slurp us out of the morass.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4489 on: January 05, 2022, 10:33:37 AM »
I know, I've been reading back.
Quite apart from this particular thread being irrevocable hijacked, the forum has descended in to nothing more than a distillation of the premise that Golding posited in Lord of the Flies.....'human nature, free from the constraints of society, draws people away from reason toward savagery'.

Maybe a sweep through with a new broom is in order.

Well, while we're off topic anyway, Golding was a fascinating author. I had to study The Spire for A Level English Lit. Luckily the comprehension problems I have also been accused of having didn't prevent me from being awarded an A in the exam.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4490 on: January 05, 2022, 11:02:28 AM »

John sees every Report.  The final decision is always his.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4491 on: January 05, 2022, 11:18:45 AM »
Well, while we're off topic anyway, Golding was a fascinating author. I had to study The Spire for A Level English Lit. Luckily the comprehension problems I have also been accused of having didn't prevent me from being awarded an A in the exam.
I believe you deliberately misunderstand my posts. in order to make your own points without making any attempt to address mine.  That is why there is no good debate to be had on this forum. 
What do you think?
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Offline Brietta

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4492 on: January 05, 2022, 11:21:01 AM »
« Last Edit: January 05, 2022, 12:20:10 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4493 on: January 05, 2022, 11:27:22 AM »
Please note

Abusive PMs should be reported to Admin or to John who will deal with them appropriately
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4494 on: January 05, 2022, 12:41:15 PM »


There is an appropriate board to discuss moderation etc - here  > http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8404.msg419741#msg419741
....and yet you've presided over this thread and others for pages and let them slide into incredulity.....and only intervene when I get involved?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4495 on: January 05, 2022, 01:23:51 PM »
I believe you deliberately misunderstand my posts. in order to make your own points without making any attempt to address mine.  That is why there is no good debate to be had on this forum. 
What do you think?

I think you should back off.
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Offline barrier

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4496 on: January 05, 2022, 01:39:41 PM »
....and yet you've presided over this thread and others for pages and let them slide into incredulity.....and only intervene when I get involved?

It goes with wearing the seneschal  badge, do as I say, in the end it'll manifest itself into the thread topic, who can say when, probably when the case is decided some time in the distant future I'd venture, no update since Sept on the press page meaning its still not at the noteworthy stage, if it ever reaches those dizzy heights is another matter.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4497 on: January 05, 2022, 05:02:31 PM »
I think you should back off.
That’s nice.
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Offline misty

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4498 on: January 09, 2022, 03:15:54 AM »
A little off-topic but this judgement by ECHR is due next week. The now-deceased journalist accused judges of violating the secrecy of justice. Coincidentally he is a brother of Rui Rangel, a friend of Amaral & a former judge who was expelled from the bench & currently being tried under Operation Lex for corruption.

Freitas Rangel v. Portugal (no. 78873/13)
The applicant, Emídio Arnaldo Freitas Rangel, now deceased, was a Portuguese national who was
born in 1947 and lived in Lisbon. He was a very well-known journalist.
The case concerns the applicant’s conviction for statements made about the professional bodies for
judges and for public prosecutors at a hearing of a parliamentary committee. He had been convicted
and had to pay 56,000 euros in fines and damages in total.
Relying on Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention, the applicant complains,
in particular, that his conviction and punishment were in breach of his rights.

Offline misty

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4499 on: January 14, 2022, 03:44:05 PM »
Another defeat in the ECHR for Portugal relating to their application of Article 10. I think he had highlighted the same issues McCanns had faced at the hands of the Judiciary.


Famous journalist Freitas Rangel’s conviction for statements about associations
of judges and prosecutors breached the European Convention

In today’s Chamber judgment1
in the case of Freitas Rangel v. Portugal (application no. 78873/13)
the European Court of Human Rights held, unanimously, that there had been:
a violation of Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention on Human Rights.

The case concerned the applicant’s conviction for statements made about the professional bodies
for judges and for public prosecutors at a hearing of a parliamentary committee. In particular, he
had linked the judiciary and the prosecution service to, among other things, interference in politics
and widespread breaches of confidentiality. He had been convicted and had had to pay 56,000
euros in fines and damages in total.
The Court found in particular that the fine and the damages had been wholly disproportionate and
had to have had a chilling effect on political discussion. The domestic courts had failed to give
adequate reasoning for such interference with the applicant’s free speech rights, which had not
been necessary in a democratic society.

Principal facts
The applicant, Emídio Arnaldo Freitas Rangel, was a Portuguese national who was born in 1947 and
lived in Lisbon. He passed away in 2014 and his daughters took up the application in his stead.
Mr Freitas Rangel was a very well-known journalist.
In 2010 he gave evidence at a parliamentary committee on the topic of freedom of expression and
the media in Portugal. Among other wide-ranging testimony, he stated as follows:
“… There is no democracy without quality journalism. However, the situation has got worse. This
circle has recently seen the entry – and this is the trend [modismo] of modern times – of the
professional associations of judges and public prosecutors. These are two hubs managing
information relating to judicial cases [duas centrais de gestão de informação processual], which is
achieved through close ties with journalists. They obtain documents concerning judicial cases for
journalists to publish, exchange these documents at cafés, in the open; … breach[ing] the duty of
judicial confidentiality [segredo de justiça], they really will share the documents. This is not going to
end well, Mr President, honourable members of parliament, if we do not return to a time with rules
preventing the judiciary from engaging in politics.”
Later, in response to a question from a journalist, he stated the following:
“Where does the material covered by judicial confidentiality come from? Can it only come from the
justice system itself? …, what I have seen is an extensive and broad political intervention with
negative consequences … They try to limit the decisions of the Attorney-General [Procurador Geral
da República] and [to influence] public opinion, and they have privileged relationships with
journalists to whom, from time to time, they pass on documents dealing with various topics.”
[

1. Under Articles 43 and 44 of the Convention, this Chamber judgment is not final. During the three-month period following its delivery,
any party may request that the case be referred to the Grand Chamber of the Court. If such a request is made, a panel of five judges
considers whether the case deserves further examination. In that event, the Grand Chamber will hear the case and deliver a final
judgment. If the referral request is refused, the Chamber judgment will become final on that day.
Once a judgment becomes final, it is transmitted to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe for supervision of its execution.}
Further information about the execution process can be found here: www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/execution.


2
Mr Freitas Rangel later made further statements before other bodies and in the press confirming
what he had said before the committee.
In mid-2010 the Professional Association of Judges (Associação Sindical de Juízes Portugueses – “the
ASJP”) and the Professional Association of Public Prosecutors (Sindicato dos Magistrados do
Ministério Público – “the SMMP”) separately lodged criminal complaints against Mr Freitas Rangel
for “insulting a legal entity” (ofensa a pessoa colectiva). He was convicted in 2012 on two counts of
insulting a legal entity by the Lisbon Criminal Court, ordered to pay damages of 50,000 euros (EUR)
to each plaintiff and fined EUR 6,000. The court reasoned that it was sufficient for the perpetrator to
have acted with general criminal intent (dolo genérico), even just to attribute falsehoods, or even
offensive value judgments, to the legal entities in question. That judgment was broadly upheld on
appeal by the Lisbon Court of Appeal, with the damages being lowered to EUR 10,000 to each
plaintiff.
The two professional associations appealed to the Supreme Court, complaining about the amount
awarded. The Supreme Court found partly in their favour and increased the damages to EUR 25,000
each, citing the damage to reputation caused.
The damages were paid to the ASJP in full. However, the unpaid balance of the damages to the
SMMP were transferred to Mr Freitas Rangel’s estate following his death.
Complaints, procedure and composition of the Court
Relying on Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention, the applicant
complained, in particular, that his conviction and punishment had been in breach of his right to
freedom of expression.
The application was lodged with the European Court of Human Rights on 5 December 2013.
Judgment was given by a Chamber of seven judges, composed as follows:
Yonko Grozev (Bulgaria), President,
Tim Eicke (the United Kingdom),
Faris Vehabović (Bosnia and Herzegovina),
Gabriele Kucsko-Stadlmayer (Austria),
Pere Pastor Vilanova (Andorra),
Jolien Schukking (the Netherlands),
Ana Maria Guerra Martins (Portugal),
and also Andrea Tamietti, Section Registrar.
Decision of the Court
Firstly, the Court noted that the ASJP and the SMMP were reputable professional associations which
are frequently invited to present their views before Parliament on matters connected to the
functioning of justice.
The Court considered that the issues about which the applicant had spoken before the
parliamentary committee – the sharing of confidential information with journalists to advance
political objectives – was of interest to the public. Most of the statements had been the applicant’s
opinions, rather than statements of fact. While the wording may have been unfortunate, the
comments could be interpreted as an illustration of a broader societal critique regarding the
inappropriate intervention of the judiciary as a whole in politics and the media, which was a subject
of public interest and which he had believed to be true. Furthermore, political speech was afforded
special protection in the Court’s case-law.
3
The Court reiterated that the protection of the reputation of a legal entity did not have the same
strength as the protection of the reputation or rights of individuals.
The Court observed that the reasoning of the appellate court had been based solely on the rights of
the professional associations, rather than balancing their rights with those of the applicant. The
Court held that the fine and the damages had been wholly disproportionate and had to have had a
chilling effect on political discussion.
Overall, the Court found that the domestic courts had failed to give adequate reasoning for their
interference with the applicant’s free-speech rights, concluding that the interference had not been
necessary in a democratic society.
There had been a violation of Article 10 of the Convention.
Just satisfaction (Article 41)
The Court held that Portugal was to pay the applicant’s estate 31,500 euros (EUR) in respect of
pecuniary damage, and EUR 19,874.23 in respect of costs and expenses.
The judgment is available only in English.