Author Topic: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?  (Read 22856 times)

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Offline John

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2016, 12:29:33 PM »
Bamber told two policemen at WHF that he had phoned Witham but got no response.

Bamber then phoned Chelmsford police who phoned Witham and got a response straight away.

Bamber then testified he didn't phone Witham.

More strange goings on.

I didn't know that Adam, are you sure?
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 03:52:37 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline adam

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2016, 12:40:22 PM »
I didn't know that Adam, are you sure?

Yes it's in the judges summing up. In Wilkes's book.

The judge said Bamber should know whether he phoned Witham or not.

Offline John

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2016, 12:54:59 PM »
Yes it's in the judges summing up. In Wilkes's book.

The judge said Bamber should know whether he phoned Witham or not.

I agree with the judge, it's not the sort of detail one forgets. 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline rotti

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2016, 01:44:11 PM »
I agree with the judge, it's not the sort of detail one forgets.
he does suffer from selective memory john,



david1819

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Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2016, 02:56:59 PM »
Yes it's in the judges summing up. In Wilkes's book.

The judge said Bamber should know whether he phoned Witham or not.

Its not in the Judges summing at all.

Read through it yourself. I just skimmed over it, If I missed it show me. This is not the first time you have made dubious claims about what the Judge has said Adam.

Offline adam

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2016, 03:18:01 PM »
Its not in the Judges summing at all.

Read through it yourself. I just skimmed over it, If I missed it show me. This is not the first time you have made dubious claims about what the Judge has said Adam.

Wilkes has a whole chapter on the judges summing up. Why would he put it in his unbiased and 5 star rated book if it wasn't true ? EP, Bamber or the judge could just publically deny it.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 03:21:34 PM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2016, 03:23:14 PM »
Can we keep the debate civil please and not use emoticons, gifs, images and any other material for the purpose of goading.  Thank you.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2016, 04:17:14 PM »
We have a partial summing up transcript in the Jeremy Bamber documents library most of which relates to the silencer and blood evidence. Does anyone have the rest of it and in particular any part which might relate to Witham?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline adam

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2016, 10:55:41 AM »
We have a partial summing up transcript in the Jeremy Bamber documents library most of which relates to the silencer and blood evidence. Does anyone have the rest of it and in particular any part which might relate to Witham?

Thanks. Be good to see it all.

Not sure how David can determine I'm making dubious claims about the judges summing up. The summing up lasted over two days and only a small amount of it is available online.

I'm quoting from Wilkes's book which has a chapter/16 pages on his summing up.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2016, 11:02:52 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2016, 10:58:22 AM »
Judges Summing Up

Did the jury believe Julie or Jeremy ?

Did Jeremy mention Matthew Mcdonald as a cover up ?

Both Jeremy & Julie had committed recent crimes. That does not mean either lied in court in this trial. Julie had paid back the money she stole.

Jeremy trusted Julie to help him commit a crime at the caravan site. Did he trust her enough to confide in the murders ?

The jury should ignore the media.

Every witness in the trial is equal.

Did the mysterious phone call from Neville happen ?

Could Mugford have lied under oath for nearly two days ?

Did Mugford's testimony have a ring of truth ?

The judge said Bamber should know whether he phoned Witham police station or not.

The prosecution claim to have an overwhelming case even without the silencer evidence. The judge told the jury to disregard this comment & review all evidence.

Red paint on silencer shows it was on during kitchen fight. Jeremy said the gun was left that night without a silencer on. Why would Sheila put a silencer on the gun & did she know how to do this ? 

Why would Sheila take the silencer off the gun & put it away, rather than throw it on the floor ?

There was overwhelming evidence it was Sheila's blood on the silencer.

Police mistakes not relevant. Part of the reason for the mistakes early on was because they had been lead in that direction.

Jeremy had a financial motive to commit the crime.

Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.  Was this correct or had he gained entry on the murder night ?

The bicycle had dried mud on the wheels according to Robert Boutflour.

Jeremy said his relationship with Julie was coming to a close in August. Why was the bike brought to the cottage just before the murders ?

Both the defence & prosecution agree the silencer was fitted for most of the time the crime was taking place.

Mugford was questioned at lenght & in detail. She stuck to her story under cross examination. The defence complained about her crying. But that could be a sign of weakness the defence could have exploited. Were the defence really complaining because she did not change her story ?

If Mugford was called at 3:12 by Jeremy & the police st 3:26 it badly undermines Jeremys version of events. 

If Neville called at 3.26, he had no face wounds. The police arrived at WHF at 3.48 & never heard any shots. Sheila must have fought Neville, perhaps shot other people, washed, unscrewed & put the silencer away & then shot herself. In 22 minutes.

Colin Caffell testified that Jeremy said Neville sounded wounded on the phone. However in court Jeremy said he thought it might have just sounded terrified. The judge said Jeremy should remember.

Dr Ferguson had testified that Sheila had never shown physical violence to other people. Others testified she was attached to her father & loving towards her sons.

Dr Bradley testified that people with no history of violence can become violent.

The judge mentioned the supper when fostering was mentioned. Jeremy said Sheila was non responsive. Therefore this cannot be used as a reason why Sheila could have committed the crimes.

The judge said it was 'very very' unlikely Sheila could overcome Neville in a fight & not have any marks. Jeremy was not examined for a long time & would have had time to clean up on the night.

The judge asked could Sheila load a gun ?

The judge said there is no doubt the silencer was on the rifle in the kitchen fight. It is not credible that Sheila would then put it back in the gun cupboard.

The judge said the blood found in the silencer was specific to Sheila. There was a remote possibility of it being a mixture of Neville & Junes.

The crime was committed by Sheila or Jeremy. There was no possible third party.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2016, 11:00:48 AM by adam »

Offline rotti

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2016, 12:52:29 PM »
excellent post adam 8((()*/

david1819

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Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2016, 01:56:05 PM »
Judges Summing Up

Did the jury believe Julie or Jeremy ?

Did Jeremy mention Matthew Mcdonald as a cover up ?

Both Jeremy & Julie had committed recent crimes. That does not mean either lied in court in this trial. Julie had paid back the money she stole.

Jeremy trusted Julie to help him commit a crime at the caravan site. Did he trust her enough to confide in the murders ?

The jury should ignore the media.

Every witness in the trial is equal.

Did the mysterious phone call from Neville happen ?

Could Mugford have lied under oath for nearly two days ?

Did Mugford's testimony have a ring of truth ?

The judge said Bamber should know whether he phoned Witham police station or not.

The prosecution claim to have an overwhelming case even without the silencer evidence. The judge told the jury to disregard this comment & review all evidence.

Red paint on silencer shows it was on during kitchen fight. Jeremy said the gun was left that night without a silencer on. Why would Sheila put a silencer on the gun & did she know how to do this ? 

Why would Sheila take the silencer off the gun & put it away, rather than throw it on the floor ?

There was overwhelming evidence it was Sheila's blood on the silencer.

Police mistakes not relevant. Part of the reason for the mistakes early on was because they had been lead in that direction.

Jeremy had a financial motive to commit the crime.

Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.  Was this correct or had he gained entry on the murder night ?

The bicycle had dried mud on the wheels according to Robert Boutflour.

Jeremy said his relationship with Julie was coming to a close in August. Why was the bike brought to the cottage just before the murders ?

Both the defence & prosecution agree the silencer was fitted for most of the time the crime was taking place.

Mugford was questioned at lenght & in detail. She stuck to her story under cross examination. The defence complained about her crying. But that could be a sign of weakness the defence could have exploited. Were the defence really complaining because she did not change her story ?

If Mugford was called at 3:12 by Jeremy & the police st 3:26 it badly undermines Jeremys version of events. 

If Neville called at 3.26, he had no face wounds. The police arrived at WHF at 3.48 & never heard any shots. Sheila must have fought Neville, perhaps shot other people, washed, unscrewed & put the silencer away & then shot herself. In 22 minutes.

Colin Caffell testified that Jeremy said Neville sounded wounded on the phone. However in court Jeremy said he thought it might have just sounded terrified. The judge said Jeremy should remember.

Dr Ferguson had testified that Sheila had never shown physical violence to other people. Others testified she was attached to her father & loving towards her sons.

Dr Bradley testified that people with no history of violence can become violent.

The judge mentioned the supper when fostering was mentioned. Jeremy said Sheila was non responsive. Therefore this cannot be used as a reason why Sheila could have committed the crimes.

The judge said it was 'very very' unlikely Sheila could overcome Neville in a fight & not have any marks. Jeremy was not examined for a long time & would have had time to clean up on the night.

The judge asked could Sheila load a gun ?

The judge said there is no doubt the silencer was on the rifle in the kitchen fight. It is not credible that Sheila would then put it back in the gun cupboard.

The judge said the blood found in the silencer was specific to Sheila. There was a remote possibility of it being a mixture of Neville & Junes.

The crime was committed by Sheila or Jeremy. There was no possible third party.

This is not a transcript Adam. It's just another list you have made up

Offline adam

Re: Why didn't Jeremy Bamber dial 999?
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2016, 02:09:06 PM »
This is not a transcript Adam. It's just another list you have made up

Never said it was a transcript. I said it is taken from Wilkes's chapter/16 pages on the judges summing up.

Have you got Wilkes's unbiased 5 star book ? Thought not.