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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => Twenty years on, the mystery of who shot Jill Dando still prevails. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 09:53:59 AM

Title: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 09:53:59 AM
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Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
It appears there are two aspects to this theory:

- Retaliation for the NATO bombing of Radio Television of Serbia HQ (RTS)

- Jill's appeal in aid of the 'Kosovo Crisis'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuqhlPdRXfc
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 10:51:48 AM
Is it really feasible that a Serb(s), anywhere in the world, would go out of his/her/their way to murder a BBC presenter in the UK because she was fronting up an appeal in aid of Kosovans?

It seems from the above clip the appeal was made over the Easter weekend '99 which fell on 2nd - 5th Apr.  Jill was murdered on 26th April.  In this scenario the perp(s) would have some 24 days to plan the murder.

Can anyone think of an example, anywhere in the world, where someone appealing for aid to support some cause has been murdered by some opposing group or person?
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: John on April 26, 2019, 10:52:55 AM
The widow of a Serbian journalist, murdered in almost identical circumstances, has come forward to say she is convinced Miss Dando was shot by a hitman acting on orders from the Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic.

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/03/31/14/jill-dando-file.jpg)

Branka Prpa, a historian, believes Miss Dando became a target after presenting a BBC appeal on behalf of Kosovan-Albanian refugees driven from their homes by militias backing Milosevic.

Mrs Prpa was with her husband, Slavko Curuvija when he was shot dead outside their home in Belgrade on April 11, 1999 – just 15 days before Miss Dando, 37, was killed in Fulham, west London.

She said: “I think there is a link between Dando and Curuvija. I think they were both executed.”

Speaking to the Daily Mirror newspaper, Mrs Prpa pointed to a number of striking similarities between the two murders.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9120523/Jill-Dando-murdered-by-Serbian-hitman.html
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Nicholas on April 26, 2019, 10:58:32 AM
The widow of a Serbian journalist, murdered in almost identical circumstances, has come forward to say she is convinced Miss Dando was shot by a hitman acting on orders from the Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic.

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/03/31/14/jill-dando-file.jpg)

Branka Prpa, a historian, believes Miss Dando became a target after presenting a BBC appeal on behalf of Kosovan-Albanian refugees driven from their homes by militias backing Milosevic.

Mrs Prpa was with her husband, Slavko Curuvija when he was shot dead outside their home in Belgrade on April 11, 1999 – just 15 days before Miss Dando, 37, was killed in Fulham, west London.

She said: “I think there is a link between Dando and Curuvija. I think they were both executed.”

Speaking to the Daily Mirror newspaper, Mrs Prpa pointed to a number of striking similarities between the two murders.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9120523/Jill-Dando-murdered-by-Serbian-hitman.html

What did the police say about this John?

There’s a clue at the bottom of the 2012 article you’ve posted.
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
NATO bombing of RTS happened around 00.06 GMT on 24th Apr.  This would give any would be retaliator some 2.5 days to plan the murder which imo does not sound credible especially given that Jill spent very little time at Gowan Avenue.  Other than those who were acquainted with her and immediate neigbours who could witness her arriving and departing noone else would have any idea when she would visit unless she was under surveillance.  CCTV shows she was not being followed so surveillance would have to involve bugging, tracking devices etc.

The ITV docu refers to Jill as a journalist.  I don't believe this is correct.  Jill started out as a journalist working on local papers in the West country but her roles at the BBC involved presenting only.  How likely is it that Serbs would orchestrate an assassination on a UK based BBC presenter in retaliation for the NATO bombing of RTS?

Can anyone think of an example, anywhere in the world, where a tv presenter has been murdered by an individual or state in retaliation for NATO military intervention?
 

Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 26, 2019, 11:30:51 AM
Slavko Curuvija was a journalist and publisher. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavko_%C4%86uruvija

It seems to me his background: family, career, politics etc is at complete odds with Jill Dando's. 

Also Jill was a presenter not a journalist.  She was the messenger not the investigator. 
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Angelo222 on April 26, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
Slavko Curuvija was a journalist and publisher. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavko_%C4%86uruvija

It seems to me his background: family, career, politics etc is at complete odds with Jill Dando's. 

Also Jill was a presenter not a journalist.  She was the messenger not the investigator.

She was extremely high profile doing the job she did. She only had to upset one underworld criminal for a hit to be put on her.  She wasn't hard to find and very easy to follow.  They picked their moment on a quiet London street with nobody around, not even Barry George.
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Nicholas on April 26, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
She was extremely high profile doing the job she did. She only had to upset one underworld criminal for a hit to be put on her.  She wasn't hard to find and very easy to follow.  They picked their moment on a quiet London street with nobody around, not even Barry George.

“De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 27, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
She was extremely high profile doing the job she did. She only had to upset one underworld criminal for a hit to be put on her.  She wasn't hard to find and very easy to follow.  They picked their moment on a quiet London street with nobody around, not even Barry George.

Yes she was high profile in the UK but I'm not sure about global reach?  Would she register on the Serb radar?

Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Nicholas on April 27, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
Yes she was high profile in the UK but I'm not sure about global reach?  Would she register on the Serb radar?

What did the courts conclude?

Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 28, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
What did the courts conclude?

The police contacted the UK intelligent services who said they had no knowledge of Serbs organising an assassination.

At BG's first trial Michael Mansfield QC for BG put to jurors the Serb theory and Orlando Pownell QC for the prosecution ridiculed the idea quite spectacularly I believe.

At BG's second trial William Clegg QC for BG did not commit himself to any person/group.  This is what he told the Telegraph which I assume would be similar to what he told the jury:

“There’s no doubt at all, the person who killed her was a professional hitman,” he says. “From the way the murder was committed, the weapon used, the method of execution – all point to it being a professional. It would have been beyond the capabilities of anyone [else].”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/barry-georges-lawyer-know-didnt-kill-jill-dando-people-capable/
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Nicholas on April 28, 2019, 09:47:17 AM
The police contacted the UK intelligent services who said they had no knowledge of Serbs organising an assassination.

At BG's first trial Michael Mansfield QC for BG put to jurors the Serb theory and Orlando Pownell QC for the prosecution ridiculed the idea quite spectacularly I believe.

At BG's second trial William Clegg QC for BG did not commit himself to any person/group.  This is what he told the Telegraph which I assume would be similar to what he told the jury:

“There’s no doubt at all, the person who killed her was a professional hitman,” he says. “From the way the murder was committed, the weapon used, the method of execution – all point to it being a professional. It would have been beyond the capabilities of anyone [else].”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/barry-georges-lawyer-know-didnt-kill-jill-dando-people-capable/

You don’t suppose it has anything to do with the publication of his book then?

I’m interested in facts not the conspiracy theories being used as propaganda. I don’t believe the hype.

Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: steve_trousers on May 17, 2019, 09:03:24 PM
Very credible, in my opinion. So far as I can tell one of the reasons the serb theory seems to have been discounted is how would they know Jill was going to be in Gowan avenue that morning when she was more or less living with Alan Farthing? and there were no signs of her being followed.

It must be feasible that they just got lucky with Jill being there that morning, it was after all still her 'official' address, as she went there to collect her mail and so on.

The clinical execution points to a hit and I cannot understand why it was so readily dismissed in favour of the local weirdo/nutter theory.

Real IRA would surely have admitted it to draw attention to their cause, for me the answer is somewhere in the Balkans



Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 18, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
Very credible, in my opinion. So far as I can tell one of the reasons the serb theory seems to have been discounted is how would they know Jill was going to be in Gowan avenue that morning when she was more or less living with Alan Farthing? and there were no signs of her being followed.

It must be feasible that they just got lucky with Jill being there that morning, it was after all still her 'official' address, as she went there to collect her mail and so on.

The clinical execution points to a hit and I cannot understand why it was so readily dismissed in favour of the local weirdo/nutter theory.

Real IRA would surely have admitted it to draw attention to their cause, for me the answer is somewhere in the Balkans

The NATO attack on RTS happened around midnight on 24th April which would have given the Serbs less than 2.5 days to plan and carry out the assassination. 

I understand Real IRA, as with all the paramilitary groups in Eire/NI, dabble in organised crime to fund terrorism.  Is it possible RI were carrying out a paid 'hit'?  The 26th April falls on a significant day within the republican calendar: anniversary period of the 1916 Easter Rising.  On 24th Apr 1996 Provisional IRA planted bombs under Hammersmith bridge which also coincide with Easter Rising:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Hammersmith_Bridge_bombing
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Nicholas on May 18, 2019, 09:04:12 AM
FACTS Holly! NOT conspiracy theories or CLAIMS made by ITV!


“Chief inspector Campbell added: 'The Dando investigation is clear on what evidence it has at a forensic level, and what the witnesses said they saw or heard or knew in 1999. They remain unchanged.'
TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas last year claimed he had been given the name of the killer.
But Mr Campbell said all 'new leads' that crop up as years go by should be questioned.
'Especially when persons state the theories through the media or TV, and not the police,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6948879/Jill-Dandos-death-unexplained-unless-gun-used-kill-found.html
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: steve_trousers on May 18, 2019, 04:00:28 PM
The NATO attack on RTS happened around midnight on 24th April which would have given the Serbs less than 2.5 days to plan and carry out the assassination. 

I understand Real IRA, as with all the paramilitary groups in Eire/NI, dabble in organised crime to fund terrorism.  Is it possible RI were carrying out a paid 'hit'?  The 26th April falls on a significant day within the republican calendar: anniversary period of the 1916 Easter Rising.  On 24th Apr 1996 Provisional IRA planted bombs under Hammersmith bridge which also coincide with Easter Rising:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Hammersmith_Bridge_bombing

The RTS may have sealed her fate, but the Kosovo appeal was on the 6th April it's conceivable she may have been put on a shortlist following that.
It was RIRA modus operandi to take responsibility for their deeds, it would appear a complete waste of time for them to hit Jill Dando then let someone else take the credit. Under the Tito regime there is some evidence that the slavs operated like that, rubbing people out and not bothering to take the credit for it.
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 20, 2019, 07:44:45 AM
The RTS may have sealed her fate, but the Kosovo appeal was on the 6th April it's conceivable she may have been put on a shortlist following that.
It was RIRA modus operandi to take responsibility for their deeds, it would appear a complete waste of time for them to hit Jill Dando then let someone else take the credit. Under the Tito regime there is some evidence that the slavs operated like that, rubbing people out and not bothering to take the credit for it.

I can see why many view the Serbian theory as credible as it ticks a lot of boxes particularly since the crime was clearly well organised and professional. 

At the time of Jill's murder RIRA were on cease fire following the Omagh bombing but come May 99 3 RIRA members travelled to Croatia to purchase weapons which they smuggled back to Eire.  Where did the money come from to fund the weapons?  Imo those responsible for Jill's murder were paid handsomely.  RIRA were clearly dealing with those from the former Yugoslavia and this might well account for the 3 calls said to have been made by a man with an East European accent.

A classic case of the truth being stranger than fiction, maybe!?
Title: Re: How Credible Is The Theory Involving Serbians?
Post by: steve_trousers on January 29, 2020, 10:18:26 PM
Sorry for the late reply but no point in starting a new thread about this.

Re: RIRA - The money for the weapons most probably came from their traditional fundraising activities in Boston and New York, in the form of buckets passed around bars full of patrons who think Leprechauns are real.

It is odd that for such a high profile hit, (if that is what it was) nothing of note has come into the investigation in more than 2 decades. No changing loyalties, grasses/informants, plea bargains or rumour mill that these paramiltary organisations are famous for have so far come into play that we know of. We know most about how their heyday crimes went down due to one or more of these reasons.
It's why I can't completely discount Barry George but I just can't see it happening. Perhaps that is our truth is stranger than fiction moment...