Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!

[faithlilly]

You do know that Murdoch and his media organisation has been accused of [ censored word]emitism too don’t you?   What do you think Siddiq’s game is then?  Is he a bare-faced liar in the pay of the Jews then?

Not sure the point you’re making about Murdoch ? Although he certainly sits to the political right he would never see that as a barrier if there is money to be made.

If you look back Khan was never been a supporter of Corbyn, as the link below from 2016 shows, so why you think he’d have changed his position heaven alone knows.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-35904657/labour-mayoral-candidate-sadiq-khan-and-leader-jeremy-corbyn-unite-for-campaign

[faithlilly]

A very interesting interview as a whole but the part about Corbyn and [ censored word]emitism is especially pertinent in the context of this discussion.

https://youtu.be/-n5YiCRIujo

As is this article from the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/18/the-rights-accusations-of-[ censored word]emitism-against-sanders-are-cynical-and-dangerous

[Miss Taken Identity]

A very interesting interview as a whole but the part about Corbyn and [ censored word]emitism is especially pertinent in the context of this discussion.

https://youtu.be/-n5YiCRIujo

As is this article from the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/18/the-rights-accusations-of-[ censored word]emitism-against-sanders-are-cynical-and-dangerous

That is very true of that Guardian report. Politicians are using 'hate' words to discredit their opponents and they do not care who gets caught in the crossfire.  there is no such thing as Islamophobia or anti semite.  just a set of people who prefer not to live among another set of people for mainly religious/cultural reasons. is anyone anti Amish? anti Mormon? There is only a problem when that dislike becomes hampered by looking upon others as less than human and can be liquidated!  There is a HUGE difference.
 
 To call Bernie Sanders anti Semite is an absolute disgrace. I don't agree with all he says either on some issues. But I certainly stand by his right to say it.

And on that subject  where was Khan during the London scene out side a mosque with a gang of angry men burning the British flag. Was he there on a huge platform calling his 'people' names?

It is those who claim to be very tolerant who are the most intolerant and get called out every time!

[Venturi Swirl]

A very interesting interview as a whole but the part about Corbyn and [ censored word]emitism is especially pertinent in the context of this discussion.

https://youtu.be/-n5YiCRIujo

As is this article from the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/18/the-rights-accusations-of-[ censored word]emitism-against-sanders-are-cynical-and-dangerous

Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it infamy!!  Nothing is our fault, we are pure as the driven snow!  We are holier than thou in every respect.!  There is no [ censored word]emitism in the Labour Party and if we want to say that Israeli government is like the Nazi Party then we should be allowed say it, despite signing up to the IHRA’s code on [ censored word]emitism!    The IHRA is a load of Jewish old cobblers anyway!   It’s all a Zionist conspiracy funded by Murdoch to keep us angels out  and the Devil in power forever!  Long Live Palestine!  Down with Israel, America and Britain! Etc etc etc, ad infinitum.  Yes it’s all very helpful in sorting out the party and getting it to a position where it may once again be appealing to enough of the electorate to form a government.
Meanwhile Jews in the Labour Party (who are surely entitled to have a view on the matter)  seem very much less enchanted with Corbyn’s tenure as leader https://politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108533/jewish-labour-movement-says-jeremy-corbyn-should

[Venturi Swirl]

That is very true of that Guardian report. Politicians are using 'hate' words to discredit their opponents and they do not care who gets caught in the crossfire.  there is no such thing as Islamophobia or anti semite.  just a set of people who prefer not to live among another set of people for mainly religious/cultural reasons. is anyone anti Amish? anti Mormon? There is only a problem when that dislike becomes hampered by looking upon others as less than human and can be liquidated!  There is a HUGE difference.
 
 To call Bernie Sanders anti Semite is an absolute disgrace. I don't agree with all he says either on some issues. But I certainly stand by his right to say it.

And on that subject  where was Khan during the London scene out side a mosque with a gang of angry men burning the British flag. Was he there on a huge platform calling his 'people' names?

It is those who claim to be very tolerant who are the most intolerant and get called out every time!

So you wouldn’t have described Hitler and the Nazis as [ censored word]emites then?  Just people who didn’t like Jews for religious/cultural reasons.  I see.  And do you think that Israel, with its 20% Arab population looks upon these people in the same way the Nazis looked upon the Jews and wishes to liquidate them in the same manner? 

[faithlilly]

Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it infamy!!  Nothing is our fault, we are pure as the driven snow!  We are holier than thou in every respect.!  There is no [ censored word]emitism in the Labour Party and if we want to say that Israeli government is like the Nazi Party then we should be allowed say it, despite signing up to the IHRA’s code on [ censored word]emitism!    The IHRA is a load of Jewish old cobblers anyway!   It’s all a Zionist conspiracy to keep us angels out  and the Devil in power forever!  Long Live Palestine!  Down with Israel, America and Britain! Etc etc etc, ad infinitum.  Yes it’s all very helpful in sorting out the party and getting it to a position where it may once again be appealing to enough of the electorate to form a government.

You still haven’t explained that if [ censored word]emitism and racism as a whole is such an emotive issue for the electorate why the Conservatives, who have several MPs who were investigated for [ censored word]emitism and who one of their leading members have described as institutionally Islamophobic, were elected ?

And why have Bernie Sanders and Ed Miliband, both Jewish, been accused of [ censored word]emitism due to their support of the Palestinians?

Further why was Gerald Kaufman, Jewish himself, deemed [ censored word]emitic for accusing the IDF of acting like Nazis ?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/britains-oldest-mp-jewish-and-vociferously-anti-israel-dies-aged-86/

And do you really, truly think that Corbyn claiming that one of his first acts in government would be to give Palestine statehood has nothing to do with all of this ? Really ?

[Venturi Swirl]

You still haven’t explained that if [ censored word]emitism and racism as a whole is such an emotive issue for the electorate why the Conservatives, who have several MPs who were investigated for [ censored word]emitism and who one of their leading members have described as institutionally Islamophobic, were elected ?

And why have Bernie Sanders and Ed Miliband, both Jewish, been accused of [ censored word]emitism due to their support of the Palestinians?

Further why was Gerald Kaufman, Jewish himself, deemed [ censored word]emitic for accusing the IDF of acting like Nazis ?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/britains-oldest-mp-jewish-and-vociferously-anti-israel-dies-aged-86/

And do you really, truly think that Corbyn claiming that one of his first acts in government would be to give Palestine statehood has nothing to do with all of this ? Really ?

Uncritical and unswerving support of Palestine and terrorist organisations within Palestine that wish to see the complete annihilation of Israel is always going to be a hard sell, particularly to the Jewish community, either in the UK or thr US.  Was it really Jezbollah’s number one priority on becoming PM?  Maybe that’s why Boris seemed the better bet: more of a priority given to domestic issues than Middle Eastern ones. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Excellent article here, about the [ censored word]emitism of the far left and how it hurts Palestine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/18/corbyn-[ censored word]emitism-left-is-hurting-palestine/

[Venturi Swirl]

Jeremy’s long-standing relationship with Hamas
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-and-hamas-no-longer-friends-but-still-brothers/

Which Israeli organisations has Jeremy called friends and brothers incidentally?

[Venturi Swirl]

"Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti-Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative 'Jewish lobby,' the Jewish/Zionist 'world conspiracy,' and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers".[107] Nevertheless, I believe that the more radical forms of anti-Zionism that have emerged with renewed force in recent years do display unmistakable analogies to European anti-Semitism immediately preceding the Holocaust.... For example, 'anti-Zionists' who insist on comparing Zionism and the Jews with Hitler and the Third Reich appear unmistakably to be de facto anti-Semites, even if they vehemently deny the fact! ... For if Zionists are 'Nazis' and if Sharon really is Hitler, then it becomes a moral obligation to wage war against Israel. ... Anti-Zionism is ... also the lowest common denominator and the bridge between the Left, the Right, and the militant Muslims; between the elites (including the media) and the masses; between the churches and the mosques; between an increasingly anti-American Europe and an endemically anti-Western Arab-Muslim Middle East; a point of convergence between conservatives and radicals and a connecting link between fathers and sons." - Prof of European and Jewish History Robert Wistrich

[faithlilly]

Uncritical and unswerving support of Palestine and terrorist organisations within Palestine that wish to see the complete annihilation of Israel is always going to be a hard sell, particularly to the Jewish community, either in the UK or thr US.  Was it really Jezbollah’s number one priority on becoming PM?  Maybe that’s why Boris seemed the better bet: more of a priority given to domestic issues than Middle Eastern ones.

You really ought to stop misinterpreting my sentences...number one priority v one of his first acts...mmmm.

[faithlilly]

Excellent article here, about the [ censored word]emitism of the far left and how it hurts Palestine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/18/corbyn-[ censored word]emitism-left-is-hurting-palestine/

Yes, interesting article especially these snippets.

‘Palestine has been brutalized by decades of occupation, and the suffering of Palestinians raises natural sympathy. Many left-wing Jews share this justified anger at Israel’s policies.’

And

‘The Labour Party Member of Parliament Rosena Allin-Khan, who worked as a medical doctor, visited some hospitals in Jerusalem and the West Bank in early 2019 and was shocked to see so many sick and dying children on their own, separated from their parents. One reason for this is the collapse of the Palestinian medical system under the pressure of Israeli sanctions and the extent to which it has become focused on dealing with trauma injuries, in response to urgent needs among Palestinian patients. Palestinian hospitals are unable to deal with sick children, so they are often transferred to hospitals in Israel. However, Israeli policy then leads to the separation of children and parents, as the government choose to issue 7,000 travel permits for children from Gaza in 2018 but less than 2,000 for accompanying parents.

However, Allin-Khan made the mistake of trying to do something about the problem. She lobbied the British Conservative Party foreign secretary and spoke to the Israeli deputy ambassador to the U.K. about increasing the number of parental visas. This should be seen as a sensible humanitarian response to a cruelty created by state policy’

Disgraceful.

[faithlilly]

"Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti-Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative 'Jewish lobby,' the Jewish/Zionist 'world conspiracy,' and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers".[107] Nevertheless, I believe that the more radical forms of anti-Zionism that have emerged with renewed force in recent years do display unmistakable analogies to European anti-Semitism immediately preceding the Holocaust.... For example, 'anti-Zionists' who insist on comparing Zionism and the Jews with Hitler and the Third Reich appear unmistakably to be de facto anti-Semites, even if they vehemently deny the fact! ... For if Zionists are 'Nazis' and if Sharon really is Hitler, then it becomes a moral obligation to wage war against Israel. ... Anti-Zionism is ... also the lowest common denominator and the bridge between the Left, the Right, and the militant Muslims; between the elites (including the media) and the masses; between the churches and the mosques; between an increasingly anti-American Europe and an endemically anti-Western Arab-Muslim Middle East; a point of convergence between conservatives and radicals and a connecting link between fathers and sons." - Prof of European and Jewish History Robert Wistrich

And you posted this why?

[Venturi Swirl]

And you posted this why?

Why not?  It reinforces my point, same reason you post the guff you post.

[Venturi Swirl]

Yes, interesting article especially these snippets.

‘Palestine has been brutalized by decades of occupation, and the suffering of Palestinians raises natural sympathy. Many left-wing Jews share this justified anger at Israel’s policies.’

And

‘The Labour Party Member of Parliament Rosena Allin-Khan, who worked as a medical doctor, visited some hospitals in Jerusalem and the West Bank in early 2019 and was shocked to see so many sick and dying children on their own, separated from their parents. One reason for this is the collapse of the Palestinian medical system under the pressure of Israeli sanctions and the extent to which it has become focused on dealing with trauma injuries, in response to urgent needs among Palestinian patients. Palestinian hospitals are unable to deal with sick children, so they are often transferred to hospitals in Israel. However, Israeli policy then leads to the separation of children and parents, as the government choose to issue 7,000 travel permits for children from Gaza in 2018 but less than 2,000 for accompanying parents.

However, Allin-Khan made the mistake of trying to do something about the problem. She lobbied the British Conservative Party foreign secretary and spoke to the Israeli deputy ambassador to the U.K. about increasing the number of parental visas. This should be seen as a sensible humanitarian response to a cruelty created by state policy’

Disgraceful.

Oh dear, you missed this bit that followed directly after the bit you quoted:

“This should be seen as a sensible humanitarian response to a cruelty created by state policy. Instead, she was abused by far-left Twitter users for being a “collaborator in apartheid” and “with occupiers,” having been “bought by the Zionists.” The far-left appeared to be more interested in using the suffering of Palestinian children as a means to attack Israel than in doing anything to mitigate the situation.

The far-left only cares about the suffering of the Palestinians when Israel is to blame. They do not offer a critique of specific Israeli policies or seek a means to engage with Israel to mitigate harm in the short term—all the while insisting that they support the Palestinians above all else.