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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on October 21, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
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'You are being watched' Mass killer's chilling threat to Scots author Harrison
Express
19 October 2014
A SCOTS author writing a book about one of Britain's worst mass murders has been warned the killer will have him "destroyed" from behind bars.
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Paul Harrison received a spine-chilling letter at his remote home in Orkney from a supporter of notorious gunman Jeremy Bamber, suggesting he was being "watched".
Last night, Mr Harrison said he believes Bamber himself is behind the threat, having manipulated one of his "disciples" into sending the sinister message.
The 53-year-old was given five life sentences for shooting dead his adopted parents June and Nevill, sister Sheila Caffell and her six-year-old twin sons Daniel and Nicholas in Essex in 1985.
Bamber has since been told he will never be released from jail, despite his insistence that Ms Caffell carried out the murders and then turned the gun on herself.
Mr Harrison said he began researching the case suspecting there may have been a miscarriage of justice but has since come to the conclusion that the police got the right man.
The anonymous letter - written with a typewriter and posted in Essex last month - warns: "Jeremy is close to getting out now and he will not allow you to harm or deny him the opportunity to gain the freedom he deserves.
"He may still be inside but Mr super cop he's still a powerful man and ... he is influential with people outside who he will have destroy you and whatever claims you try to make in your book or anyone else that obstructs his path to freedom come to that.
"We will make sure he gets his way and do what it takes so back off, Jeremy's going to get you."
The Criminal Cases Review Commission - the justice watchdog for England, Wales and Northern Ireland - is considering a third bid for an appeal, based on new claims of contaminated evidence.
But Mr Harrison said his book will "finally bring closure" and prove Bamber's guilt beyond doubt when it is published ahead of the 30th anniversary of the slayings next August.
However, the letter was just one of a number of disturbing events to have taken place since he began investigating the case - a pattern that escalated after he stopped corresponding with Bamber in Full Sutton prison in Yorkshire.
These include somebody hacking into his computer and a malicious rumour circulated on the Internet that he had died.
Mr Harrison was also contacted by a woman who works for an Essex-based firm which publishes magazines for the public sector, including one called Counter-Terror Business aimed at the police, the military and the intelligence services.
She offered to give him access to a database of over 100,000 email addresses, including potentially sensitive contacts within the Home Office and other government departments.
However, Mr Harrison said he became suspicious and contacted the woman's employers - PSI Ltd - to alert them to a potential breach of security.
You dodged one bullet but keep checking over your shoulder, Jeremy is still watching you and is waiting
A line in the letter
One week later, the letter arrived at his home on the sparsely populated island of Sanday. One of the lines reads: "You dodged one bullet but keep checking over your shoulder, Jeremy is still watching you and is waiting.
"You see how we are working with the public sector to support Jeremy Bamber."
Mr Harrison said he discussed the letter with a contact in Police Scotland but decided against making an official complaint because he "knew the investigation wouldn't get anywhere".
He added: "Having studied and worked within psychological and criminal profiling since the late 1980s, I know how the criminal mind works. Jeremy Bamber may be incarcerated within Full Sutton prison but he still manipulates and has disciples committed to helping him in any way they can.
"Without any doubt, I wouldn't be ordinary if I didn't admit to feeling unnerved to receive such a threatening missive, especially since the connotations have such serious consequences.
"I feel violated by the unwanted intrusion and threats but will not desist in my pursuance of putting the truth of what actually happened at White House Farm in the public domain, it may not make palatable reading for all but it will finally bring closure to the case for all involved."
The letter names barrister Neil Bellis as one of Jeremy's "protectors" but last night he said he was shocked by the fact that he had been highlighted in this way.
He said: "All I am is a volunteer administrator on the Jeremy Bamber forum, I've had some contact with Jeremy but I'm not on the campaign team and I've never acted for him in a legal capacity.
"It is a ridiculous letter to have sent. The problem is the case does attract some people who can be quite fanatical and somebody has taken it personally and decided to have a go at him.
"I would say that Paul Harrison has done his research and it has led him in a particular direction and everybody ought to wait to read his book."
Clive Beer, business development director of PSI Ltd, added that the employee who offered to give Mr Harrison 100,000 public sector email addresses had been "severely rebuked" and was "hanging on to her job by a thread".
He said: "She was trying to help him along and became slightly overzealous. She is a sales agent and has no access to any of our database information. All of the emails are in the public domain."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison
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It also speaks about Jackie.
"Mr Harrison was also contacted by a woman who works for an Essex-based firm which publishes magazines for the public sector, including one called Counter-Terror Business aimed at the police, the military and the intelligence services.
She offered to give him access to a database of over 100,000 email addresses, including potentially sensitive contacts within the Home Office and other government departments"
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NGB comments.
The letter names barrister Neil Bellis as one of Jeremy's "protectors" but last night he said he was shocked by the fact that he had been highlighted in this way.
He said: "All I am is a volunteer administrator on the Jeremy Bamber forum, I've had some contact with Jeremy but I'm not on the campaign team and I've never acted for him in a legal capacity.
"It is a ridiculous letter to have sent. The problem is the case does attract some people who can be quite fanatical and somebody has taken it personally and decided to have a go at him.
"I would say that Paul Harrison has done his research and it has led him in a particular direction and everybody ought to wait to read his book."
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Jackie's boss.
"Clive Beer, business development director of PSI Ltd, added that the employee who offered to give Mr Harrison 100,000 public sector email addresses had been "severely rebuked" and was "hanging on to her job by a thread".
He said: "She was trying to help him along and became slightly overzealous. She is a sales agent and has no access to any of our database information. All of the emails are in the public domain."
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Now who do we know that lives in ESSEX?? And would send this letter.
If I was NGB I'd be f..king fuming.
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I think Paul Harrison should have made a formal complaint to the police so that the matter could be properly investigated. Surely this is a very serious matter. A letter turning up at the home of an author making threats over a convicted mass murderer serving life. Really this should be thoroughly investigated and charges brought if applicable.
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Now who do we know that lives in ESSEX?? And would send this letter.
If I was NGB I'd be f.....g fuming.
I bet it was the one that sent you dirty pm's. She lived in Essex 8(0(*
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Now who do we know that lives in ESSEX?? And would send this letter.
If I was NGB I'd be f.....g fuming.
Well well, no guesses who actually sent this letter from Essex...what a chump! @)(++(*
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No guesses who actually sent this letter...what a chump! @)(++(*
Blues don't believe it was Jackie. It must have been another Bamber supporter that fell out with MD that lives in Essex and campaigns against people who diss Bamber.
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I think Paul Harrison should have made a formal complaint to the police so that the matter could be properly investigated. Surely this is a very serious matter. A letter turning up at the home of an author making threats over a convicted mass murderer serving life. Really this should be thoroughly investigated and charges brought if applicable.
Absolutely Holly, this is an extremely serious matter and I bet Neil is indeed fuming. @)(++(*
Another clue, who lives in Essex and who's favourite boast is, "Jeremy's getting out soon..."
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I bet it was the one that sent you dirty pm's. She lived in Essex 8(0(*
Could well be, perhaps you should report her?
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Could well be, perhaps you should report her?
I think Paul Harrison should pursue the matter with the police. I do not understand why he is not doing so. I don't think it's something the police would/could brush off easily. There are all sorts of cranks and nutters out there. I have no idea of PH's family set up but if he has a wife and/or children living with him they could also be targeted.
I'm not so sure anyone sending such a letter would be daft enough to send it from their own postal code area.
Sadly this case gets completely out of control at times.
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I think Paul Harrison should pursue the matter with the police. I do not understand why he is not doing so. I don't think it's something the police would/could brush off easily. There are all sorts of cranks and nutters out there. I have no idea of PH's family set up but if he has a wife and/or children living with him they could also be targeted.
I'm not so sure anyone sending such a letter would be daft enough to send it from their own postal code area.
Sadly this case gets completely out of control at times.
I agree!
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Some people will do anything for a bit of publicity! Mountains & molehills?
So it's taken this bloke nearly 30 years to work out that Bamber is indeed, guilty. Well done mate!
On another note...I seem to remember Preece stating that she had the full backing of her employer, when she made the offer of help to Harrison.
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Lets have a look thru the keyhole and see what comes up.
A female employee of Essex-based publisher PSI Ltd., Loughton, who just happens to be an avid Jeremy Bamber supporter offers to provide author Paul Harrison access to a database of over 100,000 email addresses including potentially sensitive contacts within the Home Office and other government departments. This was undoubtedly done on the basis that these contacts might have been useful to him as he was writing a book which challenged Jeremy Bamber's conviction.
However, this all changed when Harrison, having investigated the case in some detail, came to realise that Bamber's conviction is in fact sound. Somebody must have been really pissed at this having put her job on the line to help Harrison.
Last month Harrison received a letter at his remote home on the Orkney Island of Sanday in which several threats were made against him if he harmed Bambers chances of getting out of prison. The letter was posted in Essex.
Harrison's postal address on the island of Sanday would not be in the public domain but someone who worked for a publishing Company could very well have access to this information as Harrison has been an author for several years. Thus we have closed the circle, a disgruntled employee with a score to settle who just happens to have access to a database of names and addresses. Moreover, an employee who lives within a short commuting distance of Loughton.
Only one person fits in this particular house of cards!
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It makes no sense to me why Paul Harrison hasn't insisted that this matter is treated with the seriousness that it deserves. Surely the police and prison authorities have to get involved. Why and how have the media become involved but not the police and prison authorities? It cannot be surely that an author is receiving threats (to his life) in roundabout way, with involvement from a Cat A prisoner, which appears in a Sunday newspaper and yet the police and prison authorities are not involved &%+((£ Or not that we know of!
It seems strange that all this has come about after a recent spat on Blue involving Caroline, Jackie, NGB and Paul Harrison &%+((£
I get the feeling someone has opened a real can of worms here! And there's going to be some serious repercussions!
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It makes no sense to me why Paul Harrison hasn't insisted that this matter is treated with the seriousness that it deserves. Surely the police and prison authorities have to get involved. Why and how have the media become involved but not the police and prison authorities? It cannot be surely that an author is receiving threats (to his life) in roundabout way, with involvement from a Cat A prisoner, which appears in a Sunday newspaper and yet the police and prison authorities are not involved &%+((£ Or not that we know of!
It seems strange that all this has come about after a recent spat on Blue involving Caroline, Jackie, NGB and Paul Harrison &%+((£
I get the feeling someone has opened a real can of worms here! And there's going to be some serious repercussions!
I agree Holly, death threats are a serious matter but Harrison does not seem to be perturbed. Maybe he feels that living on the Orkney Island of Sanday is sufficient protection from any deluded salesagent. That said though, he did admit to having discussed the threat with a contact at Police Scotland and they are duty bound to investigate all such threats.
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I agree Holly, death threats are a serious matter but Harrison does not seem to be perturbed. Maybe he feels that living on the Orkney Island of Sanday is sufficient protection from any deluded salesagent. That said though, he did admit to having discussed the threat with a contact at Police Scotland and they are duty bound to investigate all such threats.
But discussing with a 'contact' is not the same as making a formal complaint. And anything of this nature involving a Cat A prisoner should surely be treated with the utmost seriousness? I don't think JB had any involvement in it whatsoever nevertheless as he's a Cat A prisoner and it involves a death threat surely the police and prison authorities are duty bound to investigate?
...... seems the obvious candidate based on her history but would she really be so silly as to get involved in something like this?
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Btw Birthday Boy you should be donning your glad rags and celebrating 8((()*/
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But discussing with a 'contact' is not the same as making a formal complaint. And anything of this nature involving a Cat A prisoner should surely be treated with the utmost seriousness? I don't think JB had any involvement in it whatsoever nevertheless as he's a Cat A prisoner and it involves a death threat surely the police and prison authorities are duty bound to investigate?
....... seems the obvious candidate based on her history but would she really be so silly as to get involved in something like this?
Erm.......yes!
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Well, well, well! How about that eh!
Bamber has some real nutters as supporters, christ! who needs enemies when you have supporters like that.
I cant wait to read this book by the way, hopefully, he will amend some of it and mention the stick hes had over it.
He should go to the Police, there will be a way they can track down the 'Author', even Typewriters leave distinctive marks which can set them apart from others, people have typed things believing it will give them anonymity but they were wrong. They were caught.
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I thought it might be an idea to remind ourselves of a previous post made by author Paul Harrison (assuming he made it) on the Blue forum:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4931.msg208674.html#msg208674
In the above post he states:
"Anyway, to put matters straight, my book has been delayed because I have had to report certain legal matters to the proper authorities for investigation, and yes, the publication of the book has been put back due to legal matters. I'm duty bound to adhere to the law and my book contract, so cannot discuss content on a public forum"
So given his stance above ie "I have had to report certain legal matters to the proper authorities for investigation" I would of thought the proper way to deal with a death (?) threat sent to his home address was via the police and prison authorities and not Ben Borland, journalist at the Scottish Express? &%+((£
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A valid question would be why bother to pass this story to the Scottish Express in the first place? Another would be was he paid for the story?
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Just a thought......who was it that claimed to be in Witham, ESSEX the other week? May they have stopped by a postbox? 8)--))
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Thinking further about MD's post that I retrieved above and below:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4931.msg208674.html#msg208674
He states in his post:
"The average person in the street would and could, sensibly reason why, when a man, by 10-2, has been found guilty of mass murder, some people spend much of their lives trying to reinforce that guilt, it is somewhat questionable behaviour"!
I take everything and everyone connected to the Bamber case with a very large pinch of salt so perhaps can't read too much into this but I thought MD had now stumbled across the 'smoking gun' in the course of research for his book? This being the case he seems to be implying above why bother to reinforce guilt when a man has been found guilty by 10-2. Fair enough. So why then is MD bothering with a book? Or does he think there's a difference between a bunch of mainly lay people on forums debating the case and an author producing a book?
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How many books have been published about the |Yorkshire Ripper or the Moors Murders?
Its absolute bollocks to suggest that books shouldnt be written about criminals already convicted of a crime. There is a big interest in true crime books, they sell pretty well. I have all the books written on Bamber, i also have a lot of books that have been written about the Ripper, including some rare out of print ones.
True crime is an interesting subject, and will continue to sell well.
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Whatever way this is looked at, it is bad for Jeremy.
Either he has found out the book is highlighting his guilt, which is what the Express article said. So has taken steps to try to prevent publication by instructing supporters to take steps.
Or one of his supporters. Probably in the publishing business has seen a rough draft of the book. And has contacted Harrison.
It certainly puts his supporters in a bad light. And perhaps Jeremy as well.
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Hello, Adam.
Nice to see you here. I dont think Bamber had anything to do with sending the letter, he probably had no idea about it.
I think its a supporter that sent it. Thats just my opinion, some of them have been known to stoop to low levels, bordering on desperation at times. I dont suppose we will ever find out all one can do is speculate, and thats what everyone is doing.
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How many books have been published about the |Yorkshire Ripper or the Moors Murders?
Its absolute bollocks to suggest that books shouldnt be written about criminals already convicted of a crime. There is a big interest in true crime books, they sell pretty well. I have all the books written on Bamber, i also have a lot of books that have been written about the Ripper, including some rare out of print ones.
True crime is an interesting subject, and will continue to sell well.
True crime is the most popular genre. Tim recently recommended that I listened to some youtube interviews with Ted Bundy which I did. This then led me to Jeffery Dahmer. They were scarey as they both sounded so 'normal' and the crimes of the richter scale. I will dig out the one with Dahmer and his parents.
I always found PH cryptic. Perhaps I've misunderstood the message he was endeavouring to convey.
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Hello, Adam.
Nice to see you here. I dont think Bamber had anything to do with sending the letter, he probably had no idea about it.
I think its a supporter that sent it. Thats just my opinion, some of them have been known to stoop to low levels, bordering on desperation at times. I dont suppose we will ever find out all one can do is speculate, and thats what everyone is doing.
Thanks.
I wonder why they would stoop to such low levels ?
If Bamber is innocent surely books would show this. If not, the supporters should accept his guilt.
I understand Bamber is engaging with Harrison on the book. Bamber will know from his experience with Wilkes that does not guarantee a favourable book. He may have realised this and the direction the book is going. So used his influence to pressurise Harrison.
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Would publishers have a rough draft of the book already ? If the books release date is months away ?
If they do, then the rough draft can get into other peoples hands quite easily.
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With regard to the "Essex" postmark I am reminded of how the police were taken down the wrong track by Wearside Jack in the Yorkshire Ripper case eg Geordie accent so must be someone from Geordie land; Essex postmark so must be someone (Preecey) from Essex. In any event I am not sure counties appear as postmarks? I think it might be towns/cities/postal districts? The ink is normally so faint postmarks are illegible. But hey in this case clear as mud 8(0(*
If the police (formally) or prison authorities get to hear about I don't see how they can do anything other than treat it very seriously and investigate. Imagine if the threat is carried through and the authorities were advised but didn't investigate and follow-up? The police will have the powers to interview the journalist at the Scottish Express and I would imagine he must have taken a copy of the letter and envelope and confirmed to say he has seen the originals. I would think his editor/code of conduct as a journalist (Kof) would require this as a minimum. If I was being implicated as Preecey and NGB have been I would be pursuing with the authorities to follow-up.
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Is Jackie a publisher from Essex ? She is certainly a Bamber supporter. And gets aggressive on Blue. There was some recent dispute about PM's recently.
Other posters on this forum have said she has harassed guilters at work & at home.
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The author hasn't accused Preece of sending the letter. All he knows is that it was a supporter.
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Would publishers have a rough draft of the book already ? If the books release date is months away ?
If they do, then the rough draft can get into other peoples hands quite easily.
I don't know how it works today but before Wilkes ' book came out I was sent the draft to read through as Jeremy could not receive it all. Please bare in mind when judging that book, Jeremy and I were grasping at straws: we were working in the dark. Light was only shed on his case a few years back. At the time , we tried to cover everything..... With hindsight , we knew so little.
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The author can't accuse anyone can he ? As he does not know who it is.
There are probably a handful of supporters who would do it. Jeremy would know who they were. If he suspected Harrison was turning from a MOJ view, to guilty. Which is what the Express article said happened.
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Is Jackie a publisher from Essex ? She is certainly a Bamber supporter. And gets aggressive on Blue. There was some recent dispute about PM's recently.
Other posters on this forum have said she has harassed guilters at work & at home.
Preecey may well fit your description but it doesn't mean that she had anything to do with the letter. She was banned from Blue around the time I joined so my contact with her has been very limited both in terms of exchanging posts on forums and pm's.
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Preecey may well fit your description but it doesn't mean that she had anything to do with the letter. She was banned from Blue around the time I joined so my contact with her has been very limited both in terms of exchanging posts on forums and pm's.
It could be anyone from the campaign team. Which I found out today Jeremy directs.
I understand Jeremy has disowned Jackie and Mike. So they would have to do it off there own back.
It could be someone who does not post on either forum.
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The author hasn't accused Preece of sending the letter. All he knows is that it was a supporter.
No the author (Paul Harrison) and journalist (Ben Borland) haven't accused anyone obviously. I don't even think its possible to say with any certainty that it was a "supporter". Personally I think those involved have underestimated and I think it will come back to haunt.
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For Jeremy things do not look too good. If the Express article is anything to go by.
A respected author went into the case suspecting a MOJ. However is now claiming that he can show Jeremy's guilt once and for all.
A supporter has certainly threatened Harrison. Either instructed by Bamber or not. Bamber confident the supporter will not implicate him, in the unlikely situation of being caught.
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My personal view is that Jackie did not send the letter in question. However , being on the receiving end of his bamberettes' emails , I think it highly likely that one or two did drop him a line.... However, I would not go so far as to say they threatened to kill him. I feel he may have somewhat exaggerated that !
I informed the police twice about those attacking me . I went to great lengths to stop it but police refused to act sufficiently.
He however , did not call police only media , well he has a book to publisize and if he had been receiving mail from Jeremy's supporters , it would certainly stop them in their tracks now. By doing what he did he had everything to gain .
However, I also feel that had he gone to the police and got a PCRN and copied that into the book also, that would have also dealt a blow to Jeremy and supporters.
In no way at all do I believe Jeremy instigated or would support a threatening letter......contact by supporters to the author yes, but not at all with threats. He will be fuming and will want to find out the truth just as much as those it has affected ........ If the letter even exists that is!
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It could be anyone from the campaign team. Which I found out today Jeremy directs.
I understand Jeremy has disowned Jackie and Mike. So they would have to do it off there own back.
It could be someone who does not post on either forum.
Michael Turner QC when asked if he thought JB was innocent said "passionately" 8(0(*
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9716069/Devils-advocate-Michael-Turner-prepares-for-his-toughest-case.html
Now Adam talking of passion my bed is calling. Night night.
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My personal view is that Jackie did not send the letter in question. However , being on the receiving end of his bamberettes' emails , I think it highly likely that one or two did drop him a line.... However, I would not go so far as to say they threatened to kill him. I feel he may have somewhat exaggerated that !
I informed the police twice about those attacking me . I went to great lengths to stop it but police refused to act sufficiently.
He however , did not call police only media , well he has a book to publisize and if he had been receiving mail from Jeremy's supporters , it would certainly stop them in their tracks now. By doing what he did he had everything to gain .
However, I also feel that had he gone to the police and got a PCRN and copied that into the book also, that would have also dealt a blow to Jeremy and supporters.
In no way at all do I believe Jeremy instigated or would support a threatening letter......contact by supporters to the author yes, but not at all with threats. He will be fuming and will want to find out the truth just as much as those it has affected ........ If the letter even exists that is!
Hello AA. Nice to see you. Hope you are well. I think we could go round and round in circles speculating. Hopefully the proper authorities will be informed and the matter formally investigated.
Good point you raise re the PCRN.
Sorry to hear about the problems you experienced as a JB supporter. A lot of nutters out there.
Night night.
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Goodnight Holly. Sleep well.......
More will be revealed as they say. X
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Who benefits from this letter .... fingers are pointed at Jackie who the author has had run ins with! NGB is made to look like a Bamber crank .... didn't NGB ban the author from the Blue forum? Bamber's 'good name' is blackened by suggestions he issues death threats ..... this gets Bamber back in the public eye looking the evil killer we know he is!
And the author has a book on Bamber coming out! What better free publicity could he get? Anyone else agree this letter benefits the author of the new Bamber book in quite a few ways! If I had received veiled death threats thru the post I would pursue it with the police. But if I had invented the letter I wouldn't!
Don't get me wrong, I think Jackie is as .... as a box of frogs and capable of anything. However, on this occasion you need to ask .... who benefits?
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I think he received a letter, no doubt. He has spoken to the police about it, so I think it's genuine.
However, press involvement will no doubt help sell his book. That's a good thing though, he thinks Bamber is guilty so the more people thAt read it, the more they will see Bamber for what he is. A cold blooded mass murderer.
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Caroline has written some good posts on blue tonight about this letter.
She thinks it's someone with a grudge against PH not JP and NGB, I tend to agree with her.
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Caroline has written some good posts on blue tonight about this letter.
She thinks it's someone with a grudge against PH not JP and NGB, I tend to agree with her.
I most certainly do and thanks Andrea! :)
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You're welcome, Caroline.
I think it's a supporter without a doubt, Bamber had nowt to do with it IMO.
As you say it's a grudge against PH.
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People on Blue often mentioned Mason Doyle's forthcoming book. Which has still not been released and seems to have disappeared. After so many knock backs they were hoping it would do Jeremy a favour or two, like Scott Lomax did in his biased book.
However, for a factual book to have any gravitas, it must be unbiased. This will undoubtedly highlight Jeremy's certain guilt.
As the judge said there is a 'mountain of circumstantial evidence' & a 'number of curious coincidences'. Together with a lot of forensic evidence showing Bamber's certain guilt & impossibility it was Sheila.
The Express article said Harrison went into the venture believing about a MOJ. But soon changed his mind. Which is not the first time this has happened. This was obviously one blow too many for at least one supporter, who does not want the truth coming out. Again.
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I think he received a letter, no doubt. He has spoken to the police about it, so I think it's genuine.
However, press involvement will no doubt help sell his book. That's a good thing though, he thinks Bamber is guilty so the more people thAt read it, the more they will see Bamber for what he is. A cold blooded mass murderer.
The article states that he (PH) discussed the letter with a contact in Police Scotland but that he (PH) decided against making a formal complaint. I think this is BS. If you discuss a death threat with a serving police officer they will be duty bound to record it and as AA said give it a PRCN. Especially when the threat involves a Cat A prisoner currently serving life for mass murder! This is not having your car keyed!
We have no idea what PH's views are on JB's conviction either now or historically. Do you remember how cryptic he was when he first launched on Blue Andrea? Evading questions. Most were over him like a rash. I couldn't make him out and decided to ignore him. The only time I've ever posted with him was on here when I joked about being a spy 8(0(*
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3151.msg120865.html#msg120865
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4931.msg208674.html#msg208674
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We 'know' PH spoke with the police because he said so! We 'know' there is a letter because he said so! Aren't authors supposed to have a vivid imagination?
I think this whole saga is a well thought out publicity stunt and gets back at NGB and ... Jackie at the same time! Having said that, anything that attacks Bamber and his crankies is fine by me!
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We 'know' PH spoke with the police because he said so! We 'know' there is a letter because he said so! Aren't authors supposed to have a vivid imagination?
I think this whole saga is a well thought out publicity stunt and gets back at NGB and ... Jackie at the same time! Having said that anything that attacks Bamber and his crankies is fine by me!
8((()*/ 8@??)( @)(++(*
NGB has a habit over being over zealous with the ban button and causing ill-feeling:
Simon Jones
Hartley
Paul Harrison
Adam
Myself
The above isn't exhaustive and some might be temp rather than perm.
Nelly I do hope you're not as trigger happy down on 'Animal Farm' with your guns as you evidently are with the ban button 8)-)))
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NGB has a habit over being over zealous with the ban button and causing ill-feeling:
Simon Jones
Hartley
Paul Harrison
Adam
Myself
The above isn't exhaustive and some might be temp rather than perm.
Nelly I do hope you're not as trigger happy down on 'Animal Farm' with your guns as you evidently are with the ban button 8)-)))
Agree with that.
He also posts on the forum that someone has been banned. Rather than keeping it private.
So everyone knows a poster has been banned. Which results in everyone coming out of the woodwork and speaking about the banned poster. Who cannot answer.
The warnings and ban should be done silently by PM.
Unprofessional.
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Agree with that.
He also posts on the forum that someone has been banned. Rather than keeping it private.
So everyone knows a poster has been banned. Which results in everyone coming out of the woodwork and speaking about the banned poster. Who cannot answer.
The warnings and ban should be done silently.
Unprofessional.
Never mind Adam - I am sure you will be much happier here. At least you wont have to deal with the old dears any more 8(0(*
Look forward to your debate.
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Never mind Adam - I am sure you will be much happier here. At least you wont have to deal with the old dears any more
Look forward to your debate.
I will be moonlighting on both.
Looking forward to some good debates.
Must dash now.
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NGB has a habit over being over zealous with the ban button and causing ill-feeling:
Simon Jones
Hartley
Paul Harrison
Adam
Myself
The above isn't exhaustive and some might be temp rather than perm.
Nelly I do hope you're not as trigger happy down on 'Animal Farm' with your guns as you evidently are with the ban button 8)-)))
NGB does like to announce things a lot. About what he's doing or done. Think he feels powerful as a plastic policeman.
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Never mind Adam - I am sure you will be much happier here. At least you wont have to deal with the old dears any more 8(0(*
Look forward to your debate.
Well hello Guiness. Lovely to see you again 8(0(* Only hot babes here as you know 8**8:/: Look forward to your debate too.
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Paul Harrison is a Leeds United fan, wonder if he ever wrote books on his fav team.
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Paul Harrison is a Leeds United fan, wonder if he ever wrote books on his fav team.
Is he PH/MD? There's another ? author Paul Harrison who has written about LUFC/Billy Bremner.
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Its the same one I think, he was born here.
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Its the same one I think, he was born here.
It appears there are several authors by the name of Paul Harrison? I typed his name into Amazon and it came up with all sorts: true crime, football, learning aids for maths, the Pope! Surely can't be the same author?
PH/MD said he had 40 books published but I can only find a handful on true crime. Perhaps he penned some under a pseudonym?
I have now noticed that the book due by Carol Ann Lee appears to have been written in conjunction with the poet Carol Ann Duffy. I posted this link previously and I'm certain it didn't make ref to CAD! Perhaps its a mistake as they share the same first names?
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Blood_Guilt.html?id=DUQVnwEACAAJ
I think there must be some legal issue/hold up. Its strange that both authors have delayed publishing &%+((£
Perhaps Adam might know?
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It must be a mistake. All bar two of CAL's previous books were solo pubs, but can't see the new one being a joint effort with a current Poet Laureate! How do you know it was only going to be available in Canada and the Antipodes, or is that just guesswork?
A new book coming out in 2015 according to this, but what it's about is anyone's guess...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carol-Ann-Lee/e/B001H6PWJ0/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1414773419&sr=1-2-ent (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carol-Ann-Lee/e/B001H6PWJ0/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1414773419&sr=1-2-ent)
Maybe you should join this forum to find out more from CAL!... http://www.searchingforkeith.com/ (http://www.searchingforkeith.com/)
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It must be a mistake. All bar two of CAL's previous books were solo pubs, but can't see the new one being a joint effort with a current Poet Laureate! How do you know it was only going to be available in Canada and the Antipodes, or is that just guesswork?
A new book coming out in 2015 according to this, but what it's about is anyone's guess...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carol-Ann-Lee/e/B001H6PWJ0/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1414773419&sr=1-2-ent (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carol-Ann-Lee/e/B001H6PWJ0/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1414773419&sr=1-2-ent)
Maybe you should join this forum to find out more from CAL!... http://www.searchingforkeith.com/ (http://www.searchingforkeith.com/)
*&(+(+ for the Amazon link. Very interesting. CAL appears to be in a league/class above PH. I am sure she is far too professional to discuss her work with others until it goes to print, unlike some we know! She has just got on and researched and written the book. No hissy fits and claims of this that and the other. And no getting embroiled in dodgy forums. The contrast couldn't be starker and I wouldn't mind betting the finished article will be too. I do hope the Bamber groupies/knitting circle don't attempt to move in on her.
I did read somewhere that it was due to be published in Australia and Canada. I enquired about availability with UK booksellers and they confirmed.
I did a Google search on CAL and CAD to see if there's any connection but nothing came up. Think it must be a mistake.
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Cooee Jackie
If you are referring to the newspaper article PH makes no ref to Scotland Yard. The article refers to "a contact in Police Scotland". This is more than likely a local bobby on PH's home island of Sanday (Orkney, Scotland). Sanday has less than 500 inhabitants. PH is an ex-cop, author of true crime and runs a bed and breakfast on Sanday, so the chances are he will be on first name terms with the local police and most of the inhabitants. Regardless "Police Scotland" is not "Scotland Yard".
Jackie I think you are wasting your time/money pursuing the matter legally until you have exhausted a formal complaint with Express newspapers. The journalist responsible for the article, Ben Borland, is in fact editor of Express Scotland. The Express group is owned by Northern and Shell whose HO is in the City. I would recommend that you put your case together, as you see it, and visit their offices to make a formal complaint. If you don't get any joy and you still believe you have been wronged then take it up with the press complaints commission:
http://www.pcc.org.uk/advice/index.html
I would offer to help you but I didn't see all the pm's/emails so perhaps NGB might be able to help if you feel you need help.
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Cooee Jackie
If you are referring to the newspaper article PH makes no ref to Scotland Yard. The article refers to "a contact in Police Scotland". This is more than likely a local bobby on PH's home island of Sanday (Orkney, Scotland). Sanday has less than 500 inhabitants. PH is an ex-cop, author of true crime and runs a bed and breakfast on Sanday, so the chances are he will be on first name terms with the local police and most of the inhabitants. Regardless "Police Scotland" is not "Scotland Yard".
Jackie I think you are wasting your time/money pursuing the matter legally until you have exhausted a formal complaint with Express newspapers. The journalist responsible for the article, Ben Borland, is in fact editor of Express Scotland. The Express group is owned by Northern and Shell whose HO is in the City. I would recommend that you put your case together, as you see it, and visit their offices to make a formal complaint. If you don't get any joy and you still believe you have been wronged then take it up with the press complaints commission:
http://www.pcc.org.uk/advice/index.html
I would offer to help you but I didn't see all the pm's/emails so perhaps NGB might be able to help if you feel you need help.
More fool her anyway for having anything to do with him. @)(++(*
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I've recently posted that Carol Ann Lee's book is due to be published on 30th July 2015. I had a look on Paul Harrison's website to check on progress. It appears he is due to publish a number of true crime books in 2016. I wonder if one might be the book he is supposedly penning re WHF? Initially he said it was due out early Autumn 2013, then Spring 2014.
It also appears from his website that he provides support to the victims of child sex abuse; himself a victim:
http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/paul-harrison.html
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It appears Paul Harrison has written a book about his childhood abuse:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12889735-the-cupboard-under-the-stairs
"Paul Harrison's father was a policeman. He was also a member of a sadistic paedophile ring that operated on the outskirts of Carlisle. He would keep Paul locked up and naked in a tiny cupboard under the stairs of their home before sexually abusing him. This cycle of abuse continued for several years and also affected his brother. The cupboard became a horrific prison where fear and terror filled his every moment. The Cupboard Under the Stairs is a story of abuse at the mercy of a group consisting of police officers, a primary school headmaster, and members of the Freemasons. There followed a life almost destroyed by the actions of those whom children are supposed to be able to trust. It is the harrowing story of one man's fight for justice and an end to the horrific memories that still haunt him daily".
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Cupboard-Under-Stairs-Trapped/dp/1845967895
"About the Author
Paul Mason is a writer. He also delivers victim-focused training and inspirational talks to professionals and support agencies working in the field of child sexual abuse. He has helped influence service standards for male victims of abuse. He now lives on an island with his two dogs".
The excerpt on the Amazon site makes a harrowing read to say the least.
It is certainly a mix: personal experiences of child sexual abuse to write about and also writing books about true crime:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dancing-Devil-Bible-John-Murders/dp/1904091733
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I've recently posted that Carol Ann Lee's book is due to be published on 30th July 2015. I had a look on Paul Harrison's website to check on progress. It appears he is due to publish a number of true crime books in 2016. I wonder if one might be the book he is supposedly penning re WHF? Initially he said it was due out early Autumn 2013, then Spring 2014.
It also appears from his website that he provides support to the victims of child sex abuse; himself a victim:
http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/paul-harrison.html
So pleased I had the foresight to take a screenshot of the above as it read yesterday as I see today we have a few changes:
- The removal of Paul's claims of child sex abuse
- Claims of chief crime consultant on a future television crime series, and on a film covering the Essex based White House Farm murders. (Is this in addition to your book Paul? Just askin like? Hollywood or Bollywood?)
- Claims Paul is working with UK authorities to expose and prosecute on-line abuse in all its forms, cyber bullying and libel included. (I wonder if this will include Paul's Scipio's posts on The Jeremy Bamber Forum and UK Justice Forum?)
- Time dedicated to his immediate family, 3 pet dogs and football (football being a new addition.)
http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/authors/paul-harrison
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Northamptonshire-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853061476
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yorkshire-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853061964
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cumbria-Murder-Casebook-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853063827
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Foul-Deeds-Suspicous-Deaths-Glasgow-ebook/dp/B0091WBAK2
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deeds-Suspicious-Deaths-Around-Northampton/dp/1845630351
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Anyone know anything about this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dancing-Devil-Bible-John-Murders/dp/1904091733
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To summarise as per Paul Harrison's website his published titles (under his authentic name) as follows:
Title Amazon Best Selling Rank
Northamptonshire Murders 1,610,138
Yorkshire Murders 1,335,096
Cumbria Murder Casebook 2,072,466
Foul Deeds and Suspicious Deaths In Glasgow #131,557
Foul Deeds and Suspicious Deaths Around Northampton 1,385,6,33
Dancing With The Devil : The Bible John Murders 545,196
The Amazon best-selling ranks are based on my links in posts #72 - #77 incl - see link for confirmation
Paul describes himself on his website as a "best-selling author".
Perhaps his forthcoming book on the WHF case will propel him into Amazon's top 100 &%+((£
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Wow I see Paul Harrison has now closed down the personal section of his website:
http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/paul-harrison.html
Thankfully I have screenshots just in case any accusations start flying 'I never put that on my website' 8(0(*
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Wow I see Paul Harrison has now closed down the personal section of his website:
http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/paul-harrison.html
Thankfully I have screenshots just in case any accusations start flying 'I never put that on my website' 8(0(*
Good idea Holly, he likes dishing out threats but cannot take criticism. @)(++(*
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deviant-Jeremy-Bamber-White-Murders/dp/190409192X
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I'm not sure if its the norm for authors to make all sorts of claims about their books. I guess it is from a sales and marketing perspective.
As we know PH has claimed he is going to prove JB's guilt beyond doubt (thought that had already been done in a court of law hence JB is on a life tariff) and put the case to bed once and for all. I have recently posted that PH claims he has identified the so called 'Bible John' murderer. Here PH claims he has identified Jack the Ripper:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Ripper-The-Mystery-Solved/dp/0709051379
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In addition to writing about true crime PH also writes about football:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Flash-Albert-Johanneson-Story-ebook/dp/B00AI02GSQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193362&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ebbsfleet-United-Paul-Harrison/dp/0752464094/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193781&sr=1-7
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Keep-Fighting-Billy-Bremner-Story-ebook/dp/B00IQY6U1K/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193821&sr=1-8
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Northern-Proud-Bob-Stokoe-Story/dp/1848185057/ref=sr_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193821&sr=1-13
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carlisle-United-Complete-Paul-Harrison/dp/1859836402/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193821&sr=1-14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carlisles-Cult-Heroes-Paul-Harrison/dp/1905449097/ref=sr_1_16?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193821&sr=1-16
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cup-Giant-Killers-Paul-Harrison/dp/0752444360/ref=sr_1_17?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193943&sr=1-17
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gravesend-Northfleet-FC-Paul-Harrison/dp/075243795X/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-18
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Come-Ye-Blues-Carlisle-1995-2005/dp/0954783085/ref=sr_1_21?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-21
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gravesend-Northfleet-F-C-Golden-Jubilee/dp/0951500139/ref=sr_1_24?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-24
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cup-Glory-Story-League-Clubs/dp/0951500112/ref=sr_1_25?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-25
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lads-Blue-Complete-History-Carlisle/dp/1874427518/ref=sr_1_26?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-26
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stamford-Bridge-Encyclopedia-Mainstream-Publishing/dp/1851587497/ref=sr_1_27?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-27
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jamess-Park-Encyclopedia-Paul-Harrison/dp/1851587500/ref=sr_1_28?
s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-28
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Elland-Road-Encyclopedia--Z-United/dp/185158675X/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429194684&sr=1-29
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Southern-League-Football-Post-Years/dp/0951500120/ref=sr_1_31?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-31
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Southern-League-Football-First-Fifty/dp/0951500104/ref=sr_1_32?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429193965&sr=1-32
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Southern-League-Football-Post-war-Years/dp/B001OQ0MOS/ref=sr_1_33?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429194255&sr=1-33
No seriously I'm really not a sad individual with too much time on my hands and an unfulfilling life 8)><(
Paul any chance of some books on decent teams: ManU, Cambridge Utd and MK Dons 8((()*/
Also I'm not sure about the title of the book with the words "Northern" and "Proud" in &%+((£ Seems a contradiction in terms.
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Here's the full list (I think) of PH's books about true crime. The books in this post, and the one before, are in chronological order:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carnage-crimes-Rudge-Martin-Baker/dp/1508451931/ref=sr_1_23?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198188&sr=1-23
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dancing-Devil-Bible-John-Murders-ebook/dp/B00HZVPIRW/ref=sr_1_92?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198319&sr=1-92
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Foul-Deeds-Suspicous-Deaths-Glasgow-ebook/dp/B0091WBAK2/ref=sr_1_213?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198404&sr=1-213
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deeds-Suspicious-Deaths-Around-Northampton/dp/B00SLVVCDE/ref=sr_1_493?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198542&sr=1-493
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cumbria-Murder-Casebook-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853063827/ref=sr_1_866?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198731&sr=1-866
http://www.amazon.co.uk/South-Wales-Murder-Casebook-Harrison/dp/1853063673/ref=sr_1_883?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198774&sr=1-883
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shropshire-Murder-Casebook-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853063215/ref=sr_1_895?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198804&sr=1-895
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Ripper-Mystery-Paul-Harrison/dp/0709051379/ref=sr_1_910?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198845&sr=1-910
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hertfordshire-Bedfordshire-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853062634/ref=sr_1_912?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198895&sr=1-912
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Devon-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853062103/ref=sr_1_921?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198925&sr=1-921
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yorkshire-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853061964/ref=sr_1_924?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429198955&sr=1-924
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Northamptonshire-Murders-Paul-Harrison/dp/1853061476/ref=sr_1_929?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429199012&sr=1-929
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deviant-Jeremy-Bamber-White-Murders/dp/190409192X
Hmm. Deviant Jeremy Bamber. I can't argue with that.
A serious question though, Holl. Will this book be fat enough to shore up my wobbly table? &%54%
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Hmm. Deviant Jeremy Bamber. I can't argue with that.
A serious question though, Holl. Will this book be fat enough to shore up my wobbly table? &%54%
192 pages in hardback so I'm sure you will find a permutation in there for your wobbly table. Perhaps use the hardcover and leave the pages under the table (for your pooches).
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192 pages in hardback so I'm sure you will find a permutation in there for your wobbly table. Perhaps use the hardcover and leave the pages under the table (for your pooches).
I just worry that every time the horseradish sauce ends up in my husband's lap, I'll blame the alarmingly litigious author of "Jeremy, don't fall backwards."
8(8-))
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Be aware that there are other authors called Paul Harrison whose wares are promoted on Amazon.
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Be aware that there are other authors called Paul Harrison whose wares are promoted on Amazon.
Yes there are other UK based authors with the name Paul Harrison. They write about religion, car racing, learning aids for maths and fiction for children. The links I have posted have all been cross referenced and have been written by Paul Harrison author of forthcoming book entitled Deviant.
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Yes there are other UK based authors with the name Paul Harrison. They write about religion, car racing, learning aids for maths and fiction for children. The links I have posted have all been cross referenced and have been written by Paul Harrison author of forthcoming book entitled Deviant.
You omitted the next bit after Deviant. ?8)@)-)
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You omitted the next bit after Deviant. ?8)@)-)
Only coz I was too lazy to look up the full title but here it is just for you 8**8:/:
"Deviant: Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders"
What does it say about the book/author who tells readers before they open the book that JB is deviant and responsible for 5 murders? JB has been found guilty in a court of law; behind bars for nearly 3 decades; on a life tariff but has always maintained he is innocent and the victim of a MoJ. The case has at times been high profile and dogged by controversy. Unless the author literally has the smoking gun and can back up his assertions with overwhelming evidence I think telling readers what they should think will turn many off. Surely the type of readers that are going to part with £14 for a true crime book and spend a few hours reading, absorbing and reflecting will imo not take kindly to being told what they should think. Readers of true crime will surely be discerning by nature?
Having read book reviews for Carol Ann Lee's book re Myra Hindley, readers have praised the fact that CAL has allowed them to draw their own conclusions as to whether MH was ever remorseful and reformed. I hope CAL manages to do the same with her book re JB/WHF and presents the info in a way that allows readers to draw their own conclusions. The title of CAL's book is "The Murders At White House Farm".
Carol Ann Lee -v- Paul Harrison
May the best author win measured by positive book reviews, volume of sales and Amazon ranking.
Best wishes to both authors.
8((()*/ 8@??)(
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Serious question here. How many copies of this book would the publisher expect to sell, do you think?
I would be surprised if it sold in excess of a few hundred.
Financially, is it worth anyone's while?
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Serious question here. How many copies of this book would the publisher expect to sell, do you think?
I would be surprised if it sold in excess of a few hundred.
Financially, is it worth anyone's while?
If 'Deviant' puts the Bamber case to bed once and for all, it should be a money-spinner!
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If 'Deviant' puts the Bamber case to bed once and for all, it should be a money-spinner!
If being the operative word 8(0(*
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If being the operative word 8(0(*
Has your prolixity been cured suddenly? 8((()*/
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Has your prolixity been cured suddenly? 8((()*/
@)(++(* I'm the ultimate rambler @)(++(*
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Only coz I was too lazy to look up the full title but here it is just for you 8**8:/:
"Deviant: Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders"
What does it say about the book/author who tells readers before they open the book that JB is deviant and responsible for 5 murders? JB has been found guilty in a court of law; behind bars for nearly 3 decades; on a life tariff but has always maintained he is innocent and the victim of a MoJ. The case has at times been high profile and dogged by controversy. Unless the author literally has the smoking gun and can back up his assertions with overwhelming evidence I think telling readers what they should think will turn many off. Surely the type of readers that are going to part with £14 for a true crime book and spend a few hours reading, absorbing and reflecting will imo not take kindly to being told what they should think. Readers of true crime will surely be discerning by nature?
Having read book reviews for Carol Ann Lee's book re Myra Hindley, readers have praised the fact that CAL has allowed them to draw their own conclusions as to whether MH was ever remorseful and reformed. I hope CAL manages to do the same with her book re JB/WHF and presents the info in a way that allows readers to draw their own conclusions. The title of CAL's book is "The Murders At White House Farm".
Carol Ann Lee -v- Paul Harrison
May the best author win measured by positive book reviews, volume of sales and Amazon ranking.
Best wishes to both authors.
8((()*/ 8@??)(
It tells then they need to read the book!
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It tells then they need to read the book!
Think you must be his agent/publisher!
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It tells then they need to read the book!
I trust you're not his proof reader!
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I trust you're not his proof reader!
When you're perfect Holly - you can criticise but you're a LONG way off that! %56&
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When you're perfect Holly - you can criticise but you're a LONG way off that! %56&
Awww have I hit a raw nerve 8)><(
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Serious question here. How many copies of this book would the publisher expect to sell, do you think?
I would be surprised if it sold in excess of a few hundred.
Financially, is it worth anyone's while?
Hi Sika
I guess it depends how they are marketed.
Historically Carol Ann Lee's books have been reviewed by the broad sheets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4728427/The-diary-and-a-somebody.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/one-of-your-own-the-life-and-death-of-myra-hindley-by-carol-ann-lee-1951339.html
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/04/top-10-books-women-in-the-1950s
Whereas Paul Harrison appears to court controversy in the tabloids:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bible-john-police-officer-says-2218723
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison
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Awww have I hit a raw nerve 8)><(
No 8(0(*
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Only coz I was too lazy to look up the full title but here it is just for you 8**8:/:
"Deviant: Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders"
What does it say about the book/author who tells readers before they open the book that JB is deviant and responsible for 5 murders? JB has been found guilty in a court of law; behind bars for nearly 3 decades; on a life tariff but has always maintained he is innocent and the victim of a MoJ. The case has at times been high profile and dogged by controversy. Unless the author literally has the smoking gun and can back up his assertions with overwhelming evidence I think telling readers what they should think will turn many off. Surely the type of readers that are going to part with £14 for a true crime book and spend a few hours reading, absorbing and reflecting will imo not take kindly to being told what they should think. Readers of true crime will surely be discerning by nature?
Having read book reviews for Carol Ann Lee's book re Myra Hindley, readers have praised the fact that CAL has allowed them to draw their own conclusions as to whether MH was ever remorseful and reformed. I hope CAL manages to do the same with her book re JB/WHF and presents the info in a way that allows readers to draw their own conclusions. The title of CAL's book is "The Murders At White House Farm".
Carol Ann Lee -v- Paul Harrison
May the best author win measured by positive book reviews, volume of sales and Amazon ranking.
Best wishes to both authors.
8((()*/ 8@??)(
FOURTEEN QUID?????
Christ on a bike.
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No 8(0(*
Good. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings 8(0(*
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FOURTEEN QUID?????
Christ on a bike.
Talking of Christ on a bike I think this will be more to your liking. Plus you get £1 change. 8((()*/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richard-Herring-Christ-Bike-DVD/dp/B005NH5BRW
This is hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpwr6aACFjo
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Serious question here. How many copies of this book would the publisher expect to sell, do you think?
I would be surprised if it sold in excess of a few hundred.
Financially, is it worth anyone's while?
As usual, Sika, I agree with you. There is so very little interest in the WHF case now, and if any new evidence came to light, I doubt if anyone would go down the tortuous route of writing a book about it. Wobbly table or not, I'm not going to spend the equivalent of a bottle of Bacardi to read what I already know.
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PH's books tend to rely heavily on anecdotal evidence from the deceased. More than likely so can there can be no corroboration. Remember PH said he had meetings with DS Jones in connection with his book so be prepared for some sensational deathbed confessions 8(0(*
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3278.msg124381#msg124381
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PH's books tend to rely heavily on anecdotal evidence from the deceased. More than likely so can there can be no corroboration. Remember PH said he had meetings with DS Jones in connection with his book so be prepared for some sensational deathbed confessions 8(0(*
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3278.msg124381#msg124381
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5r3oNFVeE
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5r3oNFVeE
Damn! I knew I shouldn't have fessed up about my inner most fears and vulnerabilities TO YOU! Blame it on my 4 pack of Stella for £4 from the Coop 8)><(
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The letter names barrister Neil Bellis as one of Jeremy's "protectors" but last night he said he was shocked by the fact that he had been highlighted in this way.
He said: "All I am is a volunteer administrator on the Jeremy Bamber forum, I've had some contact with Jeremy but I'm not on the campaign team and I've never acted for him in a legal capacity.
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The letter names barrister Neil Bellis as one of Jeremy's "protectors" but last night he said he was shocked by the fact that he had been highlighted in this way.
He said: "All I am is a volunteer administrator on the Jeremy Bamber forum, I've had some contact with Jeremy but I'm not on the campaign team and I've never acted for him in a legal capacity.
8@??)(
Not sure of the point you're endeavouring to make here jimmyjohn?
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Not sure of the point you're endeavouring to make here jimmyjohn?
You omitted a "j" for jeremy.
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”True crime author's claims to have interviewed serial killers contested
Mind Games by Paul Harrison withdrawn from sale, after his accounts of interviews with Ted Bundy, Peter Sutcliffe and others were called into question
Publishers of a true crime book by an “experienced criminal profiler” have pulled his work from sale, after his claims to have interviewed serial killers including Ted Bundy and Peter Sutcliffe were called into question.
Described as “the master of the true crime genre” by Martina Cole, Paul Harrison is the author of more than 33 books, including his latest, Mind Games, issued by Urbane Publications in October 2018. The Doncaster author says he worked as a police officer in the UK for three decades, “serving as a dog handler, intelligence officer, as a detective and later as a profiler”, and that he “worked closely” with the FBI’s Behavioural Science Unit in Quantico, Virginia for six months in 1982.
In interviews and at his live events, Harrison has claimed that Sutcliffe told him: “You seem completely indifferent to me. I’m scared of you.” He also claimed to have been present in the final days of Reggie Kray’s life and that he met American serial killers including Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. Harrison said Gacy had sent him paintings of clowns after tracking down his address, before his execution in 1994.
Seven former FBI agents who were at Quantico when Harrison claims to have been there denied knowing who he was or that he would have interviewed Bundy and Gacy. The Kray twins’ former hitman Fred Foreman also said it was unlikely that Harrison would have been present at Kray’s deathbed. “Reggie would never have entertained police,” he said.
Northants police confirmed Harrison had left the force in 1999, after working as an officer in Kettering.
In a now deleted Facebook post, Harrison wrote: “This monster is no longer mine, nor is it what I wanted it to be. I saw it as a tool to give victims a voice, everywhere, but because I’m weak and vulnerable and utterly useless at decision making I was introduced into sensationalising events by promoters who often sent out misleading blurb. Something I had to live up to. I’ve decided to call it a day for now. No more shows or interaction on social media … It seems I’ve let everyone down, I’m sorry for that.”
On Friday, Urbane Publications issued a statement: “Like everyone who worked with Paul Harrison, the attendees to his talks and the readers of his books, we are very concerned by these revelations and are currently seeking clarification before deciding what further action to take. However, with immediate effect we will be withdrawing Mind Games from sale and endeavouring to remove all stock and details from every relevant retail channel. We will also be donating any profits we have secured thus far from the sales of Mind Games to charities that help and support victims of violent crime.”
On Saturday, a post on the Facebook Manchester Crime Club – co-founded by Harrison – announced it was “closing its doors with immediate effect for the foreseeable future” because “due to ongoing ill health, Paul has been advised by his doctors not to undertake any more events”.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jul/15/true-authors-interviewed-serial-killers-paul-harrison?CMP=share_btn_tw
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PH's books tend to rely heavily on anecdotal evidence from the deceased. More than likely so can there can be no corroboration. Remember PH said he had meetings with DS Jones in connection with his book so be prepared for some sensational deathbed confessions 8(0(*
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3278.msg124381#msg124381
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Crikey, he's even made the Daily Fail, and still projecting. Karma... 'nuff said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7252771/Crime-author-Paul-Harrisons-book-pulled-amid-claims-didnt-interview-serial-killers.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7252771/Crime-author-Paul-Harrisons-book-pulled-amid-claims-didnt-interview-serial-killers.html)
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Dogs in glass kennels shouldn't throw bones.
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https://barthsnotes.com/2019/07/16/the-sun-turns-on-self-described-leading-criminal-profiler-over-false-claims/
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“My aim, had been to gain a psychological understanding of them, why, and what, made them kill. The reality is, they aren’t really that different to one another; they all crave the attention and soak up the power it generates. They aren’t super intelligent, nor do they look different, they simply don’t have boundaries when it comes to killing.
https://stephsbookblog.com/category/paul-harrison/
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Dogs in glass kennels shouldn't throw bones.
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Hmm. Maybe this analogy should have been "nelliephants" and "buns." The hypocrisy on blue concerning Paul Harrison - who, by the way is still doing his groovy thing every night on CBS Reality, so someone must have faith in him - is gobsmacking. The blue forum licked his arse like a Magnum when they thought he was writing a supportive book about Bamber. I await the tragic, hubristic, self-serving crap from Nellie, and the supportive, blinkered, bigoted, angry, badly punctuated faffle from Mrs. Angry.
How are the donations going?
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Ice lolly or Revolver?
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Ice lolly or Revolver?
Lolly. Raspberry!!
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Lolly. Raspberry!!
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Good job it wasn't one of these... Go ahead, make my day!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-zBbNUOws)
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'You are being watched' Mass killer's chilling threat to Scots author Harrison
Express
19 October 2014
A SCOTS author writing a book about one of Britain's worst mass murders has been warned the killer will have him "destroyed" from behind bars.
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/jeremybamber-524489.jpg)
Good grief, I’ve been browsing old threads and the damning stuff that comes up!
And some people think Jeremy Bamber is a “nice bloke”?!
He’s just a vile, evil murderer who will NEVER be freed. Ever.
As for his pathetic threats, he’s just a nobody and a coward. He couldn’t arrange ANYTHING — he’s disliked and hated. If he DID ever get out, which will never happen, he wouldn’t last long outside...people despise child murderers! And I have it on good authority that the police have never released certain photos of the twins because they’re SO harrowing. Make no mistake, the authorities know much more about what he actually did to those little boys: it’s extremely rare for the courts to dish out FULL TERM sentences. I suspect he did more than just shoot those sweet little innocent boys. Some things simply can’t be made public.
Paul Harrison received a spine-chilling letter at his remote home in Orkney from a supporter of notorious gunman Jeremy Bamber, suggesting he was being "watched".
Last night, Mr Harrison said he believes Bamber himself is behind the threat, having manipulated one of his "disciples" into sending the sinister message.
The 53-year-old was given five life sentences for shooting dead his adopted parents June and Nevill, sister Sheila Caffell and her six-year-old twin sons Daniel and Nicholas in Essex in 1985.
Bamber has since been told he will never be released from jail, despite his insistence that Ms Caffell carried out the murders and then turned the gun on herself.
Mr Harrison said he began researching the case suspecting there may have been a miscarriage of justice but has since come to the conclusion that the police got the right man.
The anonymous letter - written with a typewriter and posted in Essex last month - warns: "Jeremy is close to getting out now and he will not allow you to harm or deny him the opportunity to gain the freedom he deserves.
"He may still be inside but Mr super cop he's still a powerful man and ... he is influential with people outside who he will have destroy you and whatever claims you try to make in your book or anyone else that obstructs his path to freedom come to that.
"We will make sure he gets his way and do what it takes so back off, Jeremy's going to get you."
The Criminal Cases Review Commission - the justice watchdog for England, Wales and Northern Ireland - is considering a third bid for an appeal, based on new claims of contaminated evidence.
But Mr Harrison said his book will "finally bring closure" and prove Bamber's guilt beyond doubt when it is published ahead of the 30th anniversary of the slayings next August.
However, the letter was just one of a number of disturbing events to have taken place since he began investigating the case - a pattern that escalated after he stopped corresponding with Bamber in Full Sutton prison in Yorkshire.
These include somebody hacking into his computer and a malicious rumour circulated on the Internet that he had died.
Mr Harrison was also contacted by a woman who works for an Essex-based firm which publishes magazines for the public sector, including one called Counter-Terror Business aimed at the police, the military and the intelligence services.
She offered to give him access to a database of over 100,000 email addresses, including potentially sensitive contacts within the Home Office and other government departments.
However, Mr Harrison said he became suspicious and contacted the woman's employers - PSI Ltd - to alert them to a potential breach of security.
You dodged one bullet but keep checking over your shoulder, Jeremy is still watching you and is waiting
A line in the letter
One week later, the letter arrived at his home on the sparsely populated island of Sanday. One of the lines reads: "You dodged one bullet but keep checking over your shoulder, Jeremy is still watching you and is waiting.
"You see how we are working with the public sector to support Jeremy Bamber."
Mr Harrison said he discussed the letter with a contact in Police Scotland but decided against making an official complaint because he "knew the investigation wouldn't get anywhere".
He added: "Having studied and worked within psychological and criminal profiling since the late 1980s, I know how the criminal mind works. Jeremy Bamber may be incarcerated within Full Sutton prison but he still manipulates and has disciples committed to helping him in any way they can.
"Without any doubt, I wouldn't be ordinary if I didn't admit to feeling unnerved to receive such a threatening missive, especially since the connotations have such serious consequences.
"I feel violated by the unwanted intrusion and threats but will not desist in my pursuance of putting the truth of what actually happened at White House Farm in the public domain, it may not make palatable reading for all but it will finally bring closure to the case for all involved."
The letter names barrister Neil Bellis as one of Jeremy's "protectors" but last night he said he was shocked by the fact that he had been highlighted in this way.
He said: "All I am is a volunteer administrator on the Jeremy Bamber forum, I've had some contact with Jeremy but I'm not on the campaign team and I've never acted for him in a legal capacity.
"It is a ridiculous letter to have sent. The problem is the case does attract some people who can be quite fanatical and somebody has taken it personally and decided to have a go at him.
"I would say that Paul Harrison has done his research and it has led him in a particular direction and everybody ought to wait to read his book."
Clive Beer, business development director of PSI Ltd, added that the employee who offered to give Mr Harrison 100,000 public sector email addresses had been "severely rebuked" and was "hanging on to her job by a thread".
He said: "She was trying to help him along and became slightly overzealous. She is a sales agent and has no access to any of our database information. All of the emails are in the public domain."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison
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The letter is extremely questionable Ispy, Paul Harrison has been completely discredited. I don't believe Bamber had anything to do with this letter and its origins are dubious.