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Title: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Admin on May 28, 2016, 01:39:16 AM
Given the number of complaints which have come my way recently in relation to deleted posts it has been decreed that from now on any post deleted by a moderator or an editor must be reported before it is removed.  If a mod or an editor wishes to remove a post which has not already been reported they must report it before removal.

The only exceptions to this rule will be posts removed by admin staff and the senior editor.

Mods and Editors take note please.

Admin
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Admin on May 28, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
We have rules on this forum for a very good reason.  Members are expected to abide by those rules regardless of their views and opinions.  Disruption of the forum will never be tolerated, abusive comment, goading, sniping and intolerance towards moderators and editors can only end in one sanction.

I take no pleasure in banning any member and especially anyone who could have contributed much over the years but no member is above the rules.  It states very clearly at the top of every page, 'Abuse will not be tolerated. Break the rules expect a ban!'

A pleasant bank holiday weekend to all.

Duty Admin
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on May 28, 2016, 02:51:01 PM
Sorry to ask a question, but I don't know who the editors are. Are they also moderators or someone else? Do the rules apply to moderators also?

Happy holiday to you too!
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 02, 2016, 09:55:39 PM
Sorry to ask a question, but I don't know who the editors are. Are they also moderators or someone else? Do the rules apply to moderators also?

Happy holiday to you too!

Did you ever get a reply from this G?
 Some posters 'report' to have posts removed because it is a tatic.
also mods  should NOT  have access to peoples IP or email. infact due to the 'dossier compilers' vengeful behaviour the  suppoting mods should not have any access to ay posters.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Admin on June 02, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Sorry to ask a question, but I don't know who the editors are. Are they also moderators or someone else? Do the rules apply to moderators also?

Happy holiday to you too!

The editors are more concerned with content rather than moderation.  Apologies for not responding sooner.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Admin on June 02, 2016, 10:04:30 PM
Did you ever get a reply from this G?
 Some posters 'report' to have posts removed because it is a tatic.
also mods  should NOT  have access to peoples IP or email. infact due to the 'dossier compilers' vengeful behaviour the  suppoting mods should not have any access to ay posters.

Only senior staff can see IP's.  The only time your e-mail address is revealed is if you report a post.  Members concerned about this can change their e-mail address at any time in the Account Settings page.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on June 02, 2016, 10:38:19 PM
The editors are more concerned with content rather than moderation.  Apologies for not responding sooner.

So I still don't know who they are. Is 'editor' another name for a mod who is editing at that moment or are mods and editors completely different people?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 02, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
Only senior staff can see IP's.  The only time your e-mail address is revealed is if you report a post.  Members concerned about this can change their e-mail address at any time in the Account Settings page.

Thanks for answering. I never report posts because of this. what about warnings and emails being sent what is that about?
Also why not name the senior editors and mods and are they the same people, how many people voted for Brietta?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 04, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
I don't get a clue as to what people's IP address is, nor do I wish to.

I do get your email address if you report a post.  Frankly, I don't give a r*t's a**e about your email address (nothing personal).

And if Admin can work out a way where I simply get notified that a post is to be moderated, without my email inbox filling up, without your email address, I for one will vote for it in a heartbeat.

As no one seems to be reporting emails coming from forum moderators, is this a real issue?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 12:41:26 PM

I do not get access to IPs.  And since 99% of Email Addresses are made up for The Forum, and don't contain anyone's real name, I don't see what the problem is.

However, please feel free to continue being suspicious because like SiL I don't want my inbox filling up with reports either.

My Email Address is available for anyone who wants it, and does contain my name.

Sorry that I can't supply my IP, because I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
So I still don't know who they are. Is 'editor' another name for a mod who is editing at that moment or are mods and editors completely different people?

The editors job is to keep content relevant and orderly and to introduce new stories where appropriate.  Editors are also moderators and can undertake all moderation duties.  As senior editor I am responsible for compliance too thus I send out edicts occasionally.

The forum currently has one editor, Angelo, and one senior editor, myself.  Any mod can apply to be an editor.

I hope this helps,

John
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on June 04, 2016, 01:38:18 PM
The editors job is to keep content relevant and orderly and to introduce new stories where appropriate.  Editors are also moderators and can undertake all moderation duties.  As senior editor I am responsible for compliance too thus I send out edicts occasionally.

The forum currently has one editor, Angelo, and one senior editor, myself.  Any mod can apply to be an editor.

I hope this helps,

John

Thank you for clarifying John.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 01:39:41 PM
I don't get a clue as to what people's IP address is, nor do I wish to.

I do get your email address if you report a post.  Frankly, I don't give a r*t's a**e about your email address (nothing personal).

And if Admin can work out a way where I simply get notified that a post is to be moderated, without my email inbox filling up, without your email address, I for one will vote for it in a heartbeat.

As no one seems to be reporting emails coming from forum moderators, is this a real issue?

An IP address is like your internet telephone number.  It looks like this >  86.115.82.118
This series of numbers can be traced back to source most of the time although some people use cloaking services which disguise their actual location.  We get hundreds of requests for membership every month and by checking IP addresses we can weed out most of the suspicious ones originating from mostly China and less often Africa.  Anyone can check an IP using the various services freely available on the internet, we use this one (https://www.iplocation.net) regularly. If you copy and paste the above IP address into site it will indicate the origin as being Finland.

Ones IP address could also be protected depending on the internet service provider one uses.  For example, if one uses Plusnet your IP relates to Plusnet and the location of their servers, not the users location. If someone uses a smart phone then the IP address again relates to the location of the service provider and not the end user.  Additionally, every time you use your phone to post the system generates a different IP number.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 01:56:02 PM
I do not get access to IPs.  And since 99% of Email Addresses are made up for The Forum, and don't contain anyone's real name, I don't see what the problem is.

However, please feel free to continue being suspicious because like SiL I don't want my inbox filling up with reports either.

My Email Address is available for anyone who wants it, and does contain my name.

Sorry that I can't supply my IP, because I don't know what it is.

Your IP address is shown at the bottom of every post you make. It identifies your village.

Yours is  109.xxx.xxx.xxx
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 02:03:09 PM
My IP changes every time I shut down my laptop, which is why I don't know what it is now.

I have tracked it when I had access to an Admin Panel, and it's never been closer to my home than at least 50 Kilometres.  Anyone going to Rennes won't find me.  As if I cared about that.

This is just more fuss about nothing.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 02:05:58 PM
Your IP address is shown at the bottom of every post you make. It identifies your village.

Yours is  109.xxx.xxx.xxx

Really?  Good heavens.  How can I check on that, since it changes daily?

But I very much doubt that anyone else has access to this information.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 02:09:14 PM

Try clicking on Logged at the bottom of anyone else's post.  That's about it really.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 02:21:30 PM
Really?  Good heavens.  How can I check on that, since it changes daily?

But I very much doubt that anyone else has access to this information.

Just pop your IP into IP Location Finder box on site below

https://www.iplocation.net
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
Just pop your IP into IP Location Finder box on site below

https://www.iplocation.net

Just done that, John.  Places come up that I have never even heard of, apart from Rennes, which is 50 Kilometres away.  So that Site is not all that good.  But France Telecom is.
But at least it confirms that I am in France.  Which is all anyone needs to believe.

As it is, I remember you checking to see if I actually was in France when I first signed up as a member, as my email is wanadoo.fr.  I thought you were just asking, and taking my word for it.

I ever remain Naive.  What a hoot this Thread has turned out to be.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 04, 2016, 04:16:17 PM
An IP address is like your internet telephone number.  It looks like this >  86.115.82.118
This series of numbers can be traced back to source most of the time although some people use cloaking services which disguise their actual location.  We get hundreds of requests for membership every month and by checking IP addresses we can weed out most of the suspicious ones originating from mostly China and less often Africa.  Anyone can check an IP using the various services freely available on the internet, we use this one (https://www.iplocation.net) regularly. If you copy and paste the above IP address into site it will indicate the origin as being Finland.

Ones IP address could also be protected depending on the internet service provider one uses.  For example, if one uses Plusnet your IP relates to Plusnet and the location of their servers, not the users location. If someone uses a smart phone then the IP address again relates to the location of the service provider and not the end user.  Additionally, every time you use your phone to post the system generates a different IP number.

I thought all IS providers did that ?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
I thought all IS providers did that ?

No.  France Telecom has what are called Wandering IPs.  They change from time to time.  This is to prevent any Stalker finding out the actual location.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
I thought all IS providers did that ?

No, some IP addresses can be followed right back to source.  What some people also don't realise is if you send an e-mail to someone you are also sending a record of your IP address within the code.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on June 04, 2016, 05:24:49 PM
No.  France Telecom has what are called Wandering IPs.  They change from time to time.  This is to prevent any Stalker finding out the actual location.

That's what's known as a dynamic IP, the norm being the fixed or static IP.  Some service providers charge extra for the former.

Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2016, 05:30:01 PM
That's what's known as a dynamic IP, the norm being the fixed or static IP.  Some service providers charge extra for the former.

Probably worth every penny, if one worries about this sort of thing, which I don't. 

But what I pay is standard for France Telecom.  We now have ultra rapid Broad Band in the middle of Rural Brittany.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 04, 2016, 10:05:09 PM
Just pop your IP into IP Location Finder box on site below

https://www.iplocation.net
Just for a bit of fun, I popped my IP address into the link above, so where am I?

It would seem I am in Alvor in the district of Faro.  We had a nice meal in Alvor once about a decade back.  Unless they have shifted it, it is not in the district of Faro.

It would also seem I am in Lagos, in the district of Faro.  That's getting a bit better, though Lagos is in the district of Lagos, not Faro.

The last one cracked me up.  It has worked out I am in Lisbon, when I have never visited Lisbon in my life.

If you want to know why every criminal in the Algarve is reported by the media as being 'close to Luz', you may well have an explanation.

And you possibly have an explanation why it is hard to weed out multiple accounts.

Thankfully, someone higher up the pecking order has the challenge of detecting and deleting spurious accounts.  By the time it gets to my level, I am entitled to think you have been vetted.

And I'm still not interested in your email address.  Sorry!

 
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 05, 2016, 10:37:55 AM
The French idea sounds cool.
The ISP I use works on their server location as my IP address location whatever.
According to them I am either in Slough or Bournemouth, depending on "traffic".
In reality I am not within 20km of either.
Even if coordinates are given they are for the server.
Comes of living in the backwoods and using string and cocoa tins I suppose.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: sika on June 05, 2016, 10:35:03 PM
A few years ago on here, my location was disclosed to other posters.  I never received an explanation as to how this happened. 
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 06, 2016, 11:43:34 AM
I don't get a clue as to what people's IP address is, nor do I wish to.

I do get your email address if you report a post.  Frankly, I don't give a r*t's a**e about your email address (nothing personal).

And if Admin can work out a way where I simply get notified that a post is to be moderated, without my email inbox filling up, without your email address, I for one will vote for it in a heartbeat.

As no one seems to be reporting emails coming from forum moderators, is this a real issue?


I wasn't asking you, and your reply was pathetic. If I have any further questions or 'real issues' I will ask in private in future to the site owner. If thats ok with you...  Thanks.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 06, 2016, 11:45:28 AM
The editors job is to keep content relevant and orderly and to introduce new stories where appropriate.  Editors are also moderators and can undertake all moderation duties.  As senior editor I am responsible for compliance too thus I send out edicts occasionally.

The forum currently has one editor, Angelo, and one senior editor, myself.  Any mod can apply to be an editor.

I hope this helps,

John

Yes, thanks for that John. I know of three mods who will be applying for editor statuts.....
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 06, 2016, 11:51:15 AM
My IP changes every time I shut down my laptop, which is why I don't know what it is now.

I have tracked it when I had access to an Admin Panel, and it's never been closer to my home than at least 50 Kilometres.  Anyone going to Rennes won't find me.  As if I cared about that.

This is just more fuss about nothing.


Speaking about fussing over nothing...I note Alfie got his way, for not being very popular. Removing the 'likes' That brough us all together with a fit of hysterics!
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on June 06, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
The French idea sounds cool.
The ISP I use works on their server location as my IP address location whatever.
According to them I am either in Slough or Bournemouth, depending on "traffic".
In reality I am not within 20km of either.
Even if coordinates are given they are for the server.
Comes of living in the backwoods and using string and cocoa tins I suppose.

I'm in Maidenhead apparently. Miles and miles out.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: sika on June 08, 2016, 11:32:45 PM
A few years ago on here, my location was disclosed to other posters.  I never received an explanation as to how this happened.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 09, 2016, 01:32:16 AM

I wasn't asking you, and your reply was pathetic. If I have any further questions or 'real issues' I will ask in private in future to the site owner. If thats ok with you...  Thanks.
Please feel free to voice it in public or private, as you choose.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: mercury on October 15, 2016, 01:54:10 AM
What is the POINT in warnngs like THIS when if you click in the link the wretched nasty post is not there?!!
So you dont know what the problem was? Pls sort this out, its likebeing anonymously spanked for something you did but not being told exactly why lol or who by and you cant even reply and ask ..its quite CREEPY at best

You have received a warning
« Sent to: mercury on: Today at 01:08:58 AM »Reply with quoteDelete
mercury,

You have received a warning for using patronising language when responding to other members.

Please cease this behaviour.

Re: The Supreme Court in Portugal will shortly decide the McCann v Amaral damages case.

Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.
Report To Admin


Oh and btw since when was using patronising language aganst the rules, seeing as LOADS of people use it all the time without sanction

(Not admitting to the charge btw unless i see proof)!!!!!


Sad as sad can get

Whats next? No sarcastic language? That should wipe out 60 per cent of all posts pdq

Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on October 15, 2016, 10:24:51 PM
What is the POINT in warnngs like THIS when if you click in the link the wretched nasty post is not there?!!
So you dont know what the problem was? Pls sort this out, its likebeing anonymously spanked for something you did but not being told exactly why lol or who by and you cant even reply and ask ..its quite CREEPY at best

You have received a warning
« Sent to: mercury on: Today at 01:08:58 AM »Reply with quoteDelete
mercury,

You have received a warning for using patronising language when responding to other members.

Please cease this behaviour.

Re: The Supreme Court in Portugal will shortly decide the McCann v Amaral damages case.

Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.
Report To Admin


Oh and btw since when was using patronising language aganst the rules, seeing as LOADS of people use it all the time without sanction

(Not admitting to the charge btw unless i see proof)!!!!!


Sad as sad can get

Whats next? No sarcastic language? That should wipe out 60 per cent of all posts pdq

The offending posts are usually available to the moderation team.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: mercury on October 15, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
John
The point of my post was that we are NOT TOLD what the offending post consisted of

This is not an ideal situation!

Here you have the possibility of personal interpretation of the rules by mods with no accountability whatsoever and of course no right of reply for the offender!
Hardly a JUST situation
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: mercury on October 24, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
Another POINTLESS warning as I havent a clue what is being referred to...PATHETIC


mercury,

You have received a warning for using inappropriate offensive language in some of your recent posts.

Please moderate your comments in future.

Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.


{message}

Brietta, if youre reading, can you help? Can you find out what the offensive language I used was? TIA

Ps if it helps the warning was received at 9 42 21 secs tonight
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 24, 2016, 09:58:51 PM
Another POINTLESS warning as I havent a clue what is being referred to...PATHETIC


mercury,

You have received a warning for using inappropriate offensive language in some of your recent posts.

Please moderate your comments in future.

Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.


{message}

Brietta, if youre reading, can you help? Can you find out what the offensive language I used was? TIA

Ps if it helps the warning was received at 9 42 21 secs tonight

I too have just received the same message.

This will be reported to the forum owner.

As will the clear reasons why it was done.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: mercury on October 24, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
I too have just received the same message.

This will be reported to the forum owner.

As will the clear reasons why it was done.

Thanks stephen
The warning accuses me of usng offensive (down to opinion) language not just once but more than once recently....I dont recall any offensive language, so I take offence to the warning especially seeing as its anonymous and links show nothing and has no right of reply...pretty pathetic at best
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on November 18, 2016, 01:14:45 PM
Any member making abusive posts will face sanctions regardless of who they are.   Long term members are well aware of the rules so playing the sympathy card will never impress!

Be nasty...expect a response!
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on February 27, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
A reminder:

Posts deleted by moderators must be reported before they are removed.  If a mod or an editor wishes to remove a post which has not already been reported they must report it before removal.

The only exceptions to this rule will be posts removed by admin staff.


Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on February 28, 2018, 07:29:13 AM
A reminder:

Posts deleted by moderators must be reported before they are removed.  If a mod or an editor wishes to remove a post which has not already been reported they must report it before removal.

The only exceptions to this rule will be posts removed by admin staff.

Are deleting and removing two different things? Does that mean reported then deleted then removed? Or deleted then reported then removed?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 28, 2018, 11:41:42 PM
Are deleting and removing two different things? Does that mean reported then deleted then removed? Or deleted then reported then removed?

Yes I wondered about that also.  And I really do need to know what the forum staff think about mods removing posts which they do not like the content, it is not of their liking. In the real world this is  a human right issue article 8...

Are we now only allowed to post which are 'nice' and lovely.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: John on March 01, 2018, 02:12:11 AM
Yes I wondered about that also.  And I really do need to know what the forum staff think about mods removing posts which they do not like the content, it is not of their liking. In the real world this is  a human right issue article 8...

Are we now only allowed to post which are 'nice' and lovely.

Everything that is removed by a moderator is thereafter reviewed by myself or an admin. There are no exceptions to this procedure which acts as a check on the moderation team.

On reviewing a deleted post we can remove it entirely or restore it either in full or with an edit.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 01, 2018, 10:19:15 PM
Everything that is removed by a moderator is thereafter reviewed by myself or an admin. There are no exceptions to this procedure which acts as a check on the moderation team.

On reviewing a deleted post we can remove it entirely or restore it either in full or with an edit.

Ok Thank you for that.

This evening we had a situation regarding very serious libel by one  Mod. This particular mod is VERY protective of McCanns and claim libel  and removed posts by non McCann lovies, even when there isn't libel.  I would like to have a membership vote to have this person removed as a mod due to biased opinions placed as fact and committing libel against someone who doesn't frequent this board. Or perhaps  the owner would view this kind of behaviour  as bringing this forum into disrepute, and seek to remove the modship.

I would like to hear your thoughts on that John.


Regards


Anne

ps your website has vulnerabilities it needs to be checked out.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on March 02, 2018, 11:03:49 AM
I too have been experiencing what I see as unnecessary moderating which seems to me to be driven more by opinions of my posts than by forum rules. Mostly I ignore it, but taking time to write a careful post just to see it disappear immediately can get wearing.

Can you see the original if a post is edited rather than deleted?
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: jassi on March 02, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
Not only deletions. I got points as well. No explanation as to why, even when I requested an explanation.

In a spirit of openness. moderators should be required to disclose why they delete certain things, so that, if necessary, they can be challenged. If they don't like that then they shouldn't be moderators
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: kizzy on March 02, 2018, 12:01:34 PM
Not only deletions. I got points as well. No explanation as to why, even when I requested an explanation.

In a spirit of openness. moderators should be required to disclose why they delete certain things, so that, if necessary, they can be challenged. If they don't like that then they shouldn't be moderators

Totally agree with that.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: kizzy on March 02, 2018, 12:09:23 PM
I too have been experiencing what I see as unnecessary moderating which seems to me to be driven more by opinions of my posts than by forum rules. Mostly I ignore it, but taking time to write a careful post just to see it disappear immediately can get wearing.

Can you see the original if a post is edited rather than deleted?

agree fully,

Also why are you accused of arguing, when you are just expressing your opinion, that someone doesn't like.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: G-Unit on March 02, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
There seems to have been a lot of posts deleted recently. In fact a whole thread had many posts deleted and was subsequently locked in the early hours of this morning. I completely understand and agree that the thread should have been stopped, but I think I lost valid posts when it was pruned before being locked.
Title: Re: Posts must be reported before being removed by a moderator.
Post by: carlymichelle on July 02, 2018, 08:14:36 AM
I too have been experiencing what I see as unnecessary moderating which seems to me to be driven more by opinions of my posts than by forum rules. Mostly I ignore it, but taking time to write a careful post just to see it disappear immediately can get wearing.

Can you see the original if a post is edited rather than deleted?

this is still happening i agree  with you