Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Robittybob1]

Grimes words..

f she wasn't then he probably didn't alert to a wall. He may have had his head up;

The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So grime is clearly saying where only remnant scent is present...eddie doesnt alert by barking...he laerts by raising his head...It couldnt be any clearer...but you find it hard to admit you are wrong...eddie does not bark at remnant scent...according to grime

If Grime had used the words "eddie doesnt alert by barking...he alerts by raising his head" I'd believe you, but he didn't.   Stop arguing and admit you are wrong.

[G-Unit]

You might be debating something different...I havent mentioned the alert in the wardrobe...my point is re what gunit pisted re alerts when no tangible e vidence is present...you are obviously confused

"The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent."

So the first alert was near the wardrobe in the parent's bedroom. As the dog's head was in the air Grime concluded he had scented no tangible evidence (no body, blood or other forensic material). He scented cadavour oudour only.

"The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas...

when he's gone behind the sofa what I saw was that approximately in the centre of the wall where the window is, just along the tile area between the tiles and the wall, he's been scenting there a lot stronger than he has anywhere else and the when he's gone out there the second time he has decided yes that's what I'm looking for and that's when he has given me the bark indication."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

Please don't accuse someone of being confused.  It adds nothing to the discussion.  I am confused, let alone those less informed than I am.

I think Rob is disrupting the thread whilst desperately trying to prove me wrong when i'm absolutely right. As he said he loves proving me wrong...hes making it too personal

[Robittybob1]

I think Rob is disrupting the thread whilst desperately trying to prove me wrong when i'm absolutely right. As he said he loves proving me wrong...hes making it too personal

G-unit also says you have mis-interpreted what Grime said.

[G-Unit]

Grimes words..

f she wasn't then he probably didn't alert to a wall. He may have had his head up;

The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So grime is clearly saying where only remnant scent is present...eddie doesnt alert by barking...he laerts by raising his head...It couldnt be any clearer...but you find it hard to admit you are wrong...eddie does not bark at remnant scent...according to grime

No, Grime clearly says "the first alert". He clarifies what an alert is; "the only two places where he picks up enough scent to give me the bark alert are in this bedroom, in this corner where he was barking."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

At no point does Grime suggest that Eddie alerted by raising his head. He alerted by barking.

[Eleanor]

Any further accusation of Confused will result in the entire Comment being Deleted.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

"The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent."

So the first alert was near the wardrobe in the parent's bedroom. As the dog's head was in the air Grime concluded he had scented no tangible evidence (no body, blood or other forensic material). He scented cadavour oudour only.

"The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas...

when he's gone behind the sofa what I saw was that approximately in the centre of the wall where the window is, just along the tile area between the tiles and the wall, he's been scenting there a lot stronger than he has anywhere else and the when he's gone out there the second time he has decided yes that's what I'm looking for and that's when he has given me the bark indication."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Exactly... to quote another poster, "it couldn't be any clearer"

[sadie]

Yes Eddie alerted at the wardrobe and Keela was put inside.

Eddie did NOT alert in the wardrobe, as the posts above prove using Martin Grimes words.  Where is the evidence that Keela was shown the area by the wall that Eddie alerted to and which was too high for her to reach ? 

There isn't any proof, is there, cos it didn't happen, did it?

So Eddies apparent alert wasn't checked by Keela at all

Please don't use this false argument again Pfinder.   There's a dear

[Robittybob1]

Eddie did NOT alert in the wardrobe, as the posts above prove using Martin Grimes words.  Where is the evidence that Keela was shown the area by the wall that Eddie alerted to and which was too high for her to reach ? 

There isn't any proof, is there, cos it didn't happen, did it?

So Eddies apparent alert wasn't checked by Keela at all

Please don't use this false argument again Pfinder.   There's a dear

I tend to agree with PF on this one.  Eddiealerted in the general area, but Keela didn't locate a particular spot to sample from.  So grime says it was a smell in the region only not some residual material. 

[pathfinder73]

Eddie did NOT alert in the wardrobe, as the posts above prove using Martin Grimes words.  Where is the evidence that Keela was shown the area by the wall that Eddie alerted to and which was too high for her to reach ? 

There isn't any proof, is there, cos it didn't happen, did it?

So Eddies apparent alert wasn't checked by Keela at all

Please don't use this false argument again Pfinder.   There's a dear

The footage proves that Eddie alerted inside that wardrobe! Without a Keela blood alert a cadaver dog handler would suggest that Eddie was alerting to cadaver odour and IF there was a body that is where it was. The dog is trained to find the source of the scent. The first alert by the cadaver dog at the crime scene was inside that wardrobe.

[Lace]

The footage proves that Eddie alerted inside that wardrobe! Without a Keela blood alert a cadaver dog handler would suggest that Eddie was alerting to cadaver odour and IF there was a body that is where it was. The dog is trained to find the source of the scent. The first alert by the cadaver dog at the crime scene was inside that wardrobe.

So you are saying they put Madeleine in the wardrobe?   Stupid place to put her when the Police were searching everywhere.

[The General]

So you are saying they put Madeleine in the wardrobe?   Stupid place to put her when the Police were searching everywhere.

That would be correct if the police were searching at the same time.

[sadie]

The footage proves that Eddie alerted inside that wardrobe! Without a Keela blood alert a cadaver dog handler would suggest that Eddie was alerting to cadaver odour and IF there was a body that is where it was. The dog is trained to find the source of the scent. The first alert by the cadaver dog at the crime scene was inside that wardrobe.

No, you are wrong PFinder.  Gunit found the following from Grimes reports.  I am surprised that you missed them tbh.

No, Grime clearly says "the first alert". He clarifies what an alert is; "the only two places where he picks up enough scent to give me the bark alert are in this bedroom, in this corner where he was barking."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

-snip-.

and

"The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent."

So the first alert was near the wardrobe in the parent's bedroom. As the dog's head was in the air Grime concluded he had scented no tangible evidence (no body, blood or other forensic material). He scented cadavour oudour only.
-snip-

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

There you go, Pfinder, in the air near the wardrobe.  As we all saw, Eddies nose was really high and way beyond any level that Keela could have reached. 


Please desist from spreading misinformation.  It is such a waste of time having to disprove this mis-info., which becomes dis-information when knowingly repeated.

And it so lets you down when you keep knowingly repeating propaganda that is wrong.

[The General]

No, you are wrong PFinder.  Gunit found the following from Grimes reports.  I am surprised that you missed them tbh.

and


There you go, Pfinder, in the air near the wardrobe.  As we all saw, Eddies nose was really high and way beyond any level that Keela could have reached. 


Please desist from spreading misinformation.  It is such a waste of time having to disprove this mis-info., which becomes dis-information when knowingly repeated.

And it so lets you down when you keep knowingly repeating propaganda that is wrong.

At least you admit the dog alerts are robust.

[Mr Gray]

At least you admit the dog alerts are robust.

the only fact is that the dog barked