Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Mr Gray]

Sorry don't agree but you know that. IMO He's talking about what's happening in that particular investigation at that time with the evidence they have, ie. they 'may become corroborated' by the forensics
he is not excluding them ever being corroborated by other means.

From Mark Harrisons report...


After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.


thats physical evidence in case you missed it.

[kizzy]

From Mark Harrisons report...


After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.


thats physical evidence in case you missed it.

So obviously imo that meant Maddie's body - not just anybody.

So they must have had something they thought was connected to Maddie but - needed further proof.
 

[Mr Gray]

So obviously imo that meant Maddie's body - not just anybody.

So they must have had something they thought was connected to Maddie but - needed further proof.

thats your opinion...im quoting what Grime says...

[Angelo222]

So obviously imo that meant Maddie's body - not just anybody.

So they must have had something they thought was connected to Maddie but - needed further proof.

I agree, finding her remains would have established the cause of her demise and very probably provided pointers as to who was involved.  One must remember that at that time the parents were suspected of being involved in her disappearance given the evidence.

As it stands presently, the Portuguese courts have stated that Kate and Gerry have NOT been cleared.

The Germans will have to bring in those special CSI dogs again once the digs begin.

[jassi]

So obviously imo that meant Maddie's body - not just anybody.

So they must have had something they thought was connected to Maddie but - needed further proof.

Problem is that there might not be a body any more.

[pathfinder73]

I believe if there is one to be found it's probably inside a bag at the bottom of the Barragem da Bravura that has never been searched. They can get cadaver dogs in boats and see if they give an alert.

[Eleanor]

I agree, finding her remains would have established the cause of her demise and very probably provided pointers as to who was involved.  One must remember that at that time the parents were suspected of being involved in her disappearance given the evidence.

As it stands presently, the Portuguese courts have stated that Kate and Gerry have NOT been cleared.

The Germans will have to bring in those special CSI dogs again once the digs begin.

Do go away, Lovey.  You are a busted flush on this one.

Please feel free to delete my comment.  Do you think I don't know that you do this?

[kizzy]

Problem is that there might not be a body any more.

I don't think there is - and hasn't been from Maddie disappearing.

[Mr Gray]

I agree, finding her remains would have established the cause of her demise and very probably provided pointers as to who was involved.  One must remember that at that time the parents were suspected of being involved in her disappearance given the evidence.

As it stands presently, the Portuguese courts have stated that Kate and Gerry have NOT been cleared.

The Germans will have to bring in those special CSI dogs again once the digs begin.

You really are living in the past... No evidence against the parents... There never was any real evidence and in this situation the parents are always suspects

[pathfinder73]

They haven't released details on their final lead so you don't know who they are investigating. Police usual practice is to not make it known until they have sufficient evidence to charge and successfully convict!

[barrier]

They haven't released details on their final lead so you don't know who they are investigating. Police usual practice is to not make it known until they have sufficient evidence to charge and successfully convict!

The MET have always been at pains to state they will not give a running commentary,nothing's changed imo,this German is a potential important witness imo.

[pathfinder73]

Yes and there's good reason for it!

[Venturi Swirl]

I agree, finding her remains would have established the cause of her demise and very probably provided pointers as to who was involved.  One must remember that at that time the parents were suspected of being involved in her disappearance given the evidence.

As it stands presently, the Portuguese courts have stated that Kate and Gerry have NOT been cleared.

The Germans will have to bring in those special CSI dogs again once the digs begin.

[Gertrude]

From Mark Harrisons report...


After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.


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thats physical evidence in case you missed it.

Yes Harrison seems to think it has to be physical, Grime is not recorded as saying that, ever.

Grime uses the the word 'corroborate' or phrase 'corroborating evidence' 6 times in his report and never once attaches the word physical.

[Mr Gray]

Yes Harrison seems to think it has to be physical, Grime is not recorded as saying that, ever.

Grime uses the the word 'corroborate' or phrase 'corroborating evidence' 6 times in his report and never once attaches the word physical.

read it again more carefully..

 GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.