Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[barrier]

ANY dog would find a buried body.    ANY dog would smell a body in water too.

They can? blooming dogs must be a nightmare in churchyards.

[Venturi Swirl]

They can? blooming dogs must be a nightmare in churchyards.

Dogs should not be taken for walks in churchyards to piss and poo all over graves.  A mark of extreme disrespect imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

You don't get it do you?   Eddie wasn't trained using human cadaver he was trained using pig cadaver.  So when he searched 5a he didn't smell human cadaver or pig cadaver and that is why he trotted off out of the bedroom to be called back numerous times.   Poor Eddie I think he just had another sniff and thought 'I think I can smell blood' and barked.

How would that search happen outside where Grime wouldn't know where a cadaver was buried?   He wouldn't have been able to call Eddie back to every bush and tree to keep sniffing at them would he?

IYO

[Mr Gray]

I think Grime is wrong when he says Eddie only barks when he detects target scent... I think he barks when he think... I've had enough of this I want to go home

[G-Unit]

I think Grime is wrong when he says Eddie only barks when he detects target scent... I think he barks when he think... I've had enough of this I want to go home

That is clearly untrue because he didn't get to stop after barking, he had to carry on the search.

[Mr Gray]

That is clearly untrue because he didn't get to stop after barking, he had to carry on the search.

He knew he wasn't going to get out of 5a without barking... He was repeatedly called back...

[barrier]

That is clearly untrue because he didn't get to stop after barking, he had to carry on the search.

He was jet lagged.

[carlymichelle]

That is clearly untrue because he didn't get to stop after barking, he had to carry on the search.

dogs are smarter then humans  give them  credit  for my  sister and brother both have dogs and their  dogs    can sense i have type one diabetes  and other  disabilities  xxx

[pathfinder73]

You don't get it do you?   Eddie wasn't trained using human cadaver he was trained using pig cadaver.  So when he searched 5a he didn't smell human cadaver or pig cadaver and that is why he trotted off out of the bedroom to be called back numerous times.   Poor Eddie I think he just had another sniff and thought 'I think I can smell blood' and barked.

How would that search happen outside where Grime wouldn't know where a cadaver was buried?   He wouldn't have been able to call Eddie back to every bush and tree to keep sniffing at them would he?

Nonsense. They only alert when they find what they are trained to find.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed.

The proven capability of the EVRD is to:

Search to locate very small samples of human remains, body fluids and blood in any environment or terrain.

Identify sub-surface depositions to a depth of approximately one metre below the surface of the ground, depending on the scent permeability of the ground. This depth is increased substantially when the ground is “vented” prior to deployment.

Locate and give an alert to cross contamination by a cadaver. This is particularly valuable when the dog is used to assist in searches where the discovery of a body has prompted the investigation. The dog may locate secondary deposition sites and any areas of contamination, e.g. items of vehicles used to transport the body.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[Venturi Swirl]

dogs are smarter then humans give them  credit  for my  sister and brother both have dogs and their  dogs    can sense i have type one diabetes  and other  disabilities  xxx

. Some humans, maybe...  Was the dog able to diagnose your diabetes, or did a human train it to alert to the smell of your diabetes? 

[pathfinder73]

Grime did not take Eddie to America while he was still employed by The UK Police.  It would not have been allowed.

Police dog sniffs out huge salary - 30 December 2005

Keela the police dog is so brilliant at her job that she earns more than the top policeman in her area.
The 16-month-old springer spaniel can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

The South Yorkshire police dog has already helped forces solve crimes across the country.

And now Keela will be travelling to America in the New Year to assist with two murder inquiries.

Keela's keen nose is hired out at £530 per day, plus expenses.

If she worked every day of the year, she would earn almost £200,000 - around £70,000 more than South Yorkshire's Chief Constable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4560000/newsid_4569800/4569868.stm

Keela, the second dog used in the search, was a human blood detection dog that was trained to
detect the odor of human blood, but not its residual odor. Stockham testified that her proficiency
was “exceptional.”

Stockham testified that he developed a cadaver dog program for the FBI starting in
2005. While developing this program, he met Martin Grime, a National Homicide Search
Advisor in the United Kingdom who worked with cadaver dogs. In 2010 or 2011, Grime started
to work with the FBI to help develop its program. The program started seeing improved results
after Grime’s involvement. Since the program’s establishment in 2005, Stockham had directed
hundreds of crime scenes using cadaver dogs.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/0140174.pdf

[G-Unit]

He knew he wasn't going to get out of 5a without barking... He was repeatedly called back...

You are not an expert on how to use these dogs, so your opinion is irrelevant.

[Mr Gray]

You are not an expert on how to use these dogs, so your opinion is irrelevant.

I might be absolutely right... Can you prove I'm not

[G-Unit]

I might be absolutely right... Can you prove I'm not

I don't need to prove anything. If you make claims it's up to you to convince people that you know what you're talking about.

[Lace]

They can? blooming dogs must be a nightmare in churchyards.

Do you think if you were walking your dog and a newly dead person had been buried near by,   your dog wouldn't go off and sniff at the newly buried cadaver?  Of course it would it would be able to smell the cadaver,   the cadaver dog however would give an alert either by sitting by it or by barking.

As for the water any dog would know there was a dead body in the water,  the only difference is a trained cadaver dog is meant to give an alert to it.

When Eddie alerted to the body buried,  how long at the person been dead?   If Madeleine had died in 5a, she wouldn't have been left there long enough to give off any cadaver scent.   IMO