Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[G-Unit]

Decomposing pig,   Madeleine wouldn't have been decomposing that's my point,  any dog would alert to decomposing pig as there is a gas which smells like human cadaver when the pig is at a stage of decomposition.  Madeleine wouldn't have been at this stage.   Those cadaver dogs as I have said would alert to a buried body or pig as would Eddie as would any dog as the smell of decomposing is strong,  there was no body in 5a and if Madeleine had died there she wouldn't have been left to decompose.

I thought decomposition began immediately?

[Mr Gray]

I thought decomposition began immediately?

It isn't detectable by dogs immediately

[G-Unit]

It isn't detectable by dogs immediately

How do you know?

[Mr Gray]

How do you know?

I think that's quite a silly question
This us one area where there has been some scientific research... Try and Google to find it

[G-Unit]

I think that's quite a silly question
This us one area where there has been some scientific research... Try and Google to find it

Try supporting your postings of 'facts' by some evidence.

[Venturi Swirl]

Try supporting your postings of 'facts' by some evidence.

Has it not been long accepted when discussing this case that it takes at least 90 minutes (though two hours seems the more accepted time) before a body emits an odour detectable to thr dogs?

[G-Unit]

Has it not been long accepted when discussing this case that it takes at least 90 minutes (though two hours seems the more accepted time) before a body emits an odour detectable to thr dogs?

Accepted by whom? You?

[kizzy]

It isn't detectable by dogs immediately

Seems it is.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/body-decomposition-smell/


Answering the question, “what does a dead body smell like?” can be difficult if you have never been around a dead body before. However, some people compare the putrid stench of a decomposing body to that of rotting fruit. When someone dies, the body immediately begins the decomposition process and the smell of death begins. Microorganisms create and emit various gases during the stages of human decomposition, which all combine to cause the smell of a cadaver.

[Mr Gray]

Try supporting your postings of 'facts' by some evidence.

why should i bother...from past experience you dont accept evidence if it doesnt suit you...even if its overwhelming
the thread title...according to just about evry expert the alerts are intelligence not evidence

[The General]

why should i bother...from past experience you dont accept evidence if it doesnt suit you...even if its overwhelming
the thread title...according to just about evry expert the alerts are intelligence not evidence

You've just spent a week arguing that the alerts were inadmissible as evidence, not inadmissible as intelligence.

[G-Unit]

You've just spent a week arguing that the alerts were inadmissible as evidence, not inadmissible as intelligence.

Not to mention the fact that it's the judge who decides what's admissible in a case; there are no 'rules' about admissibility.

[Venturi Swirl]

Accepted by whom? You?

Those who discuss this case, sceptic and supporter alike, I guess this is news to you?

[Venturi Swirl]

Seems it is.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/body-decomposition-smell/


Answering the question, “what does a dead body smell like?” can be difficult if you have never been around a dead body before. However, some people compare the putrid stench of a decomposing body to that of rotting fruit. When someone dies, the body immediately begins the decomposition process and the smell of death begins. Microorganisms create and emit various gases during the stages of human decomposition, which all combine to cause the smell of a cadaver.

Do you have a cite to support your contention that dogs can detect a cadaver that has been in situ for less than 90 minutes?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

why should i bother...from past experience you dont accept evidence if it doesnt suit you...even if its overwhelming
the thread title...according to just about evry expert the alerts are intelligence not evidence

"from past experience you dont accept evidence if it doesnt suit you"

Is this irony?
You simply will not accept the empirical fact that dog alerts uncorroborated by forensic evidence have been and are admissible in a UK Court of Law. For what reason you don't accept this fact is beyond me.
I see that posters are classified mostly either a sceptic or a believer on this site so are there any posters who share Davel's belief that they are not evidence. I don't mean that they think they shouldn't be but think they are definitely not admissible in a UK court?

[Mr Gray]

"from past experience you dont accept evidence if it doesnt suit you"

Is this irony.
You simply will not accept the empirical fact that dog alerts uncorroborated by forensic evidence have been and are admissible in a UK Court of Law. For what reason you don't accept this fact is beyond me.
I see that posters are classified mostly either a sceptic or a believer on this site so are there any posters who share Davel's belief that they are not evidence. I don't mean that they think they shouldn't be but think they are definitely not admissible in a UK court?

I've already posted this... Alerts have been admitted in two cases... Fact
My opinion is that they should not have been and if properly challenged would not be.. In the gilroy case I have seen evidence that the SCCRC decided they should not have been admitted

Your opinion is that they are admissible... Mine is that they are not.  Don't misrepresent my posts