Author Topic: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?  (Read 170905 times)

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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1470 on: July 10, 2020, 06:00:03 PM »
Good one.  Probably best the stay there.

I think it's "probably best" to take up an offer of a conclusive analysis.

MM is missing.
A cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where she was staying.
A blood dog alerted to areas where human cellular material was subsequently collected.

Surely you want to know if the material contains MM's DNA?

Offline kizzy

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1471 on: July 10, 2020, 06:03:04 PM »
Perlin offers the initial scan which takes two weeks for free....As I understand from his website ...he offers this free to every client. If you want real evidence that can be used in court then theres a charge ..30 to 40 K as I understand.
So are Perlins claims and offer motivated by money.

You don't know that .....but then again a drop in the ocean to what they have spent on what seems like nothing.

They are not exactly working with the germans are they

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1472 on: July 10, 2020, 06:36:54 PM »
I think it's "probably best" to take up an offer of a conclusive analysis.

MM is missing.
A cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where she was staying.
A blood dog alerted to areas where human cellular material was subsequently collected.

Surely you want to know if the material contains MM's DNA?

It didn't.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1473 on: July 10, 2020, 06:38:05 PM »
You don't know that .....but then again a drop in the ocean to what they have spent on what seems like nothing.

They are not exactly working with the germans are they

Should they?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1474 on: July 10, 2020, 06:38:19 PM »
His methods are tested in peer reviewed forensic science journals.
So what?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1475 on: July 10, 2020, 07:27:36 PM »
It didn't.

You can't say that with that degree of certainty. The FSS said it was "inconclusive". All of MM's DNA markers were present in the sample on swab 3a - but there was DNA from at least two contributors.

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann."
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1476 on: July 10, 2020, 07:34:01 PM »
So what?

So no need to attempt to scoff at them until your critique of his methods are published in forensic science journals.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1477 on: July 10, 2020, 07:43:13 PM »
You can't say that with that degree of certainty. The FSS said it was "inconclusive". All of MM's DNA markers were present in the sample on swab 3a - but there was DNA from at least two contributors.

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann."

As do half of The Western World.  Or did you not know that?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1478 on: July 10, 2020, 07:48:14 PM »
As do half of The Western World.  Or did you not know that?

So the FSS say the result was "inconclusive" but you know differently?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1479 on: July 10, 2020, 08:02:56 PM »
So no need to attempt to scoff at them until your critique of his methods are published in forensic science journals.
Perhaps I could have a cite for me scoffing at his methods?  Thanks in advance.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1480 on: July 10, 2020, 08:12:26 PM »
So the FSS say the result was "inconclusive" but you know differently?

At least half of The Western World share DNA Markers.

Offline Carana

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1481 on: July 10, 2020, 08:47:38 PM »
You can't say that with that degree of certainty. The FSS said it was "inconclusive". All of MM's DNA markers were present in the sample on swab 3a - but there was DNA from at least two contributors.

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann."

You seem to be still reading it as if her entire profile was in it. It wasn't though, there were only a few confirmed components.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1482 on: July 10, 2020, 11:06:19 PM »
As do half of The Western World.  Or did you not know that?

Half the western world do not have ALL of the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1483 on: July 10, 2020, 11:16:01 PM »
Half the western world do not have ALL of the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann.
IMO you might share 1 0r 2 alleles with your neighbour but there are so many alleles to pick from.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1484 on: July 10, 2020, 11:21:31 PM »
You seem to be still reading it as if her entire profile was in it. It wasn't though, there were only a few confirmed components.
Have you got a cite for that please, in relation to swab 3a?

It was the the samples from the hire car that only had some (15) of MM's DNA markers.