Author Topic: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?  (Read 170907 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1605 on: July 18, 2020, 07:14:59 PM »
it seems to belong to Duarte Levy ... who, according to Morais is not the real deal.

The footage is real regardless of the titles later added. You know it's very easy to do!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Online Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1606 on: July 18, 2020, 07:18:33 PM »
it seems to belong to Duarte Levy ... who, according to Morais is not the real deal.

Ah, our old mate Duarte who ripped of Morais.  Didn't he edit a lot of his videos.

I wonder what happened to him?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1607 on: July 18, 2020, 09:23:15 PM »
The footage is real regardless of the titles later added. You know it's very easy to do!
I accept the cite thanks https://youtu.be/c4NMYPsFKb8?t=1932  has Keela on the shelves of the wardrobe and no alerts are made by her.
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Offline sadie

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1608 on: July 18, 2020, 10:46:46 PM »
I accept the cite thanks https://youtu.be/c4NMYPsFKb8?t=1932  has Keela on the shelves of the wardrobe and no alerts are made by her.

That was on the shelf, but what about the wall where Eddie seemed to alert IMO.  Was keela shown that?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1609 on: July 18, 2020, 11:13:04 PM »
Eddie alerted inside the wardrobe if you watch the footage.

16 minutes 55 seconds
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1610 on: July 18, 2020, 11:20:02 PM »
I accept the cite thanks https://youtu.be/c4NMYPsFKb8?t=1932  has Keela on the shelves of the wardrobe and no alerts are made by her.

Meaning that Eddie's alert there is likely (90-95% certainty) to have been to cadaver odour.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1611 on: July 19, 2020, 01:01:46 AM »
Meaning that Eddie's alert there is likely (90-95% certainty) to have been to cadaver odour.
So if CB murdered Madeleine whose cadaver was in 5A?  Gets tricky doesn't it.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1612 on: July 19, 2020, 06:34:24 AM »
So if CB murdered Madeleine whose cadaver was in 5A?  Gets tricky doesn't it.

Not really.... perhaps there never was a cadaver in  5 a...
I wonder if SY re interviewed Grime
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Offline Lace

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1613 on: July 19, 2020, 10:15:22 AM »
And ALL cadaver dogs alert to it. Your point?

I suggest you read this -

These findings are important when considering the use of scent-detection dogs during disaster victim search and recovery. It is clear that the VOC profile during the early postmortem period is dynamic and changes both hourly and daily. Notably, the period on day 2 whereby the VOC profile transitioned to a complex postmortem odour could have potential ramifications on the choice of scent-detection dogs deployed to a disaster scene. Given that the early postmortem odour appears to more closely resemble an antemortem odour until day 2, the use of human scent dogs may be more effective during the first 24 h following a mass disaster. While HRD dogs may be more effective as a search tool after 48 h when the VOC profile more closely resembles decomposition odour.

The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,  so are you saying Madeleine was in 5a for two days?   There is no gas emitted in the early stages of decomposition,  so there was no death scent wafting around in corners in 5a.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1614 on: July 19, 2020, 11:06:38 AM »
I suggest you read this -

These findings are important when considering the use of scent-detection dogs during disaster victim search and recovery. It is clear that the VOC profile during the early postmortem period is dynamic and changes both hourly and daily. Notably, the period on day 2 whereby the VOC profile transitioned to a complex postmortem odour could have potential ramifications on the choice of scent-detection dogs deployed to a disaster scene. Given that the early postmortem odour appears to more closely resemble an antemortem odour until day 2, the use of human scent dogs may be more effective during the first 24 h following a mass disaster. While HRD dogs may be more effective as a search tool after 48 h when the VOC profile more closely resembles decomposition odour.

The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,  so are you saying Madeleine was in 5a for two days?   There is no gas emitted in the early stages of decomposition,  so there was no death scent wafting around in corners in 5a.
 
You are trying to come to conclusions without sufficient knowledge.   Your post has mistakes in it.
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Offline Lace

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1615 on: July 19, 2020, 11:08:04 AM »
 
You are trying to come to conclusions without sufficient knowledge.   Your post has mistakes in it.

What mistakes?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1616 on: July 19, 2020, 11:08:13 AM »
Meaning that Eddie's alert there is likely (90-95% certainty) to have been to cadaver odour.
Not at all

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1617 on: July 19, 2020, 11:11:21 AM »
What mistakes?
Well this statement is nonsensical for a start "The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,".

What were you trying to say?
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Offline Lace

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1618 on: July 19, 2020, 11:12:46 AM »
Well this statement is nonsensical for a start "The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,".

What were you trying to say?

It was what the scientist said Rob,  here is the full article -

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844015303789

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1619 on: July 19, 2020, 11:13:45 AM »
What mistakes?
I would say that this is also wrong: " There is no gas emitted in the early stages of decomposition."
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