Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[G-Unit]

 
You are trying to come to conclusions without sufficient knowledge.   Your post has mistakes in it.

Cadaver dogs still seem to be ahead of humans, as they have indicated the locations of where bodies have lain for short periods very soon after death.

[Robittybob1]

It was what the scientist said Rob,  here is the full article -

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844015303789

Nowhere in that article does it say "The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,"

[Mr Gray]

Cadaver dogs still seem to be ahead of humans, as they have indicated the locations of where bodies have lain for short periods very soon after death.

Cite please...or is this more myth. Very soon after death is questionable

[faithlilly]

Can you prove that Keela was shown that spot on the wall which Eddie seemed to alert to?


Do you deny that Tasmins Grandpa died in hospital, leaving a widow in a foreign country?
Do you deny that Grandpas watch and pjays would almost certainly have the cadaver odour on them?
Do you deny that likely the ashes were in an urn somewhere in the flat?


Do you deny that the most likely place that a bereft widow would keep such as the casket of ashes would be by the side of the bed to comfort her during the night ?  And the watch … and even possibly for a while the Pjays ?


Nothing at all safe about your assumptions of what Eddie showed.  We don't even know if he was marking blood or Cadavar odour.

Admit it Faith … nothing at all safe

In Tamsin’s statement she says nothing about her grandfather let alone that he died in hospital in Portugal. It would appear her grandmother lived there alone.

[Lace]

Nowhere in that article does it say "The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,"

it says until day two the scent still resembled antemortem,  Rob read it again.

Madeleine would not have been in 5a long enough to emit decomposition gases.  Sorry.

[Lace]

Cadaver dogs still seem to be ahead of humans, as they have indicated the locations of where bodies have lain for short periods very soon after death.

How soon after death?

[Eleanor]

Well this statement is nonsensical for a start "The pig didn't enter the antemortem stage until 2 days after death,".

What were you trying to say?

The Pig died and didn't emit any cadaver oder for two days after.

[Eleanor]

It was what the scientist said Rob,  here is the full article -

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844015303789

Good One.

[Lace]

Cadaver dogs still seem to be ahead of humans, as they have indicated the locations of where bodies have lain for short periods very soon after death.

If a body is no longer there,  then the cadaver dog would have to rely on gases that the cadaver had left behind,  if the body hadn't been there for gases to escape, then there would be no cadaver scent.

[Eleanor]

it says until day two the scent still resembled antemortem,  Rob read it again.

Madeleine would not have been in 5a long enough to emit decomposition gases.  Sorry.

It still smelled the same as before it died.  Sheesh.

[faithlilly]

It still smelled the same as before it died.  Sheesh.

I believe a dog’s sense of smell is 40 times more sensitive than ours.

[Lace]

I would say that this is also wrong: " There is no gas emitted in the early stages of decomposition."

The body would reach the bloat stage before any gas would be emitted.

[Lace]

I believe a dog’s sense of smell is 40 times more sensitive than ours.

So why wouldn't they send the cadaver dogs in to search until the second day in a disaster?

[Robittybob1]

How soon after death?

On experiment it was as short as 90 minutes IIRC.

If a body is no longer there,  then the cadaver dog would have to rely on gases that the cadaver had left behind,  if the body hadn't been there for gases to escape, then there would be no cadaver scent.

People seem to assume it is gasses that the dogs are smelling, I think it maybe more solid materials, for Grime said they would accumulated and gasses  wouldn't do what he described IMO.

The body would reach the bloat stage before any gas would be emitted.

No that is wrong.

[barrier]

Decomposition starts right away, who'e going to argue its not detectable.

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.



https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/