Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Mr Gray]

Decomposition starts right away, who'e going to argue its not detectable.

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.



https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/

Without evidence there is no argument. You cannot just introduce opinions as facts and expect them to be accepted as such

[Lace]

On experiment it was as short as 90 minutes IIRC.

People seem to assume it is gasses that the dogs are smelling, I think it maybe more solid materials, for Grime said they would accumulated and gasses  wouldn't do what he described IMO.
No that is wrong.

The release of gas is so significant, whatever space or room the body is placed will begin to fill with a foul, virtually intolerable odor. People oftentimes refer to this as the smell of rotting flesh. Technically, the odor associated with a dead body after two or three days is the result of the gas being expelled by the process of bacteria consuming the body via the process of decomposition or the decomposing of human organs.

After two or three days the gas is emitted.

[Robittybob1]

So why wouldn't they send the cadaver dogs in to search until the second day in a disaster?

Earlier stages it is best to use "sniffer" or "Tracker" dogs that follow a specific person's scent.  Cadaver dogs will find where cadavers have been but the cadaver could be anyone, not a specific person.

[barrier]

Earlier stages it is best to use "sniffer" or "Tracker" dogs that follow a specific person's scent.  Cadaver dogs will find where cadavers have been but the cadaver could be anyone, not a specific person.

This is where the forensics come in.

[G-Unit]

Cite please...or is this more myth. Very soon after death is questionable

Why would you think I spread myths? Read the case of Bianca Jones.

Died some time after 01.00, in her bed. Placed in her car seat at 08.00ish. Car found at 10.15am, with no child in the car seat.
Martin Grime's dog Morse alerted to the bedroom and the car seat.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

[Lace]

Decomposition starts right away, who'e going to argue its not detectable.

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.



https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/

It doesn't say when the blisters and sloughing of the skin occurs.   Madeleine wouldn't have been in 5a long enough for any of that to happen IMO

[Robittybob1]

The release of gas is so significant, whatever space or room the body is placed will begin to fill with a foul, virtually intolerable odor. People oftentimes refer to this as the smell of rotting flesh. Technically, the odor associated with a dead body after two or three days is the result of the gas being expelled by the process of bacteria consuming the body via the process of decomposition or the decomposing of human organs.

After two or three days the gas is emitted.

That might be a fact but I'm saying a cadaver dog is not following that gas IMO.

[Lace]

Why would you think I spread myths? Read the case of Bianca Jones.

Died some time after 01.00, in her bed. Placed in her car seat at 08.00ish. Car found at 10.15am, with no child in the car seat.
Martin Grime's dog Morse alerted to the bedroom and the car seat.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

Alerted to blood probably.

[Eleanor]

Ask The Dogs.  Oh My.

[G-Unit]

Alerted to blood probably.

You obviously didn't read about the case;

Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

[Lace]

You obviously didn't read about the case;

Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

There was blood on her pillow,  no doubt her body had blood on it so it would smell on the blanket and car seat.

[Lace]

You obviously didn't read about the case;

Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

There was blood on the little girls pillow,  no doubt she had blood on her body and so would the blanket and child seat.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Alerted to blood probably.

Not if Keela didn’t alert in the specific location.

[Lace]

Not if Keela didn’t alert in the specific location.

We are talking about Morse.

[Lace]

Why didn't Eddie alert to the saliva on duvet in Madeleine's bedroom?