Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Robittybob1]

At least you admit the dog alerts are robust.

But Sadie is picking it was cadaver odour from the ashes of a long deceased owner of the apartment.

[The General]

the only fact is that the dog barked

Baphomet bless 'em too. Finding all those dead / alive people, drugs, guns, etc by barking, or standing still, as trained.
Amazing, but we have been training dogs for 15,000 years (not me personally, Eleanor maybe), so it's no wonder we managed to hone in on their specific abilities.

[The General]

But Sadie is picking it was cadaver odour from the ashes of a long deceased owner of the apartment.

That's next level and even surpasses the 'Golden Jacobean Lineage' theory.

[Robittybob1]

That's next level and even surpasses the 'Golden Jacobean Lineage' theory.

Grime had not trained his dogs well enough for them to name the source of the cadaver odour.

[Mr Gray]

Baphomet bless 'em too. Finding all those dead / alive people, drugs, guns, etc by barking, or standing still, as trained.
Amazing, but we have been training dogs for 15,000 years (not me personally, Eleanor maybe), so it's no wonder we managed to hone in on their specific abilities.

Theres absolutely no doubt the dogs will find cadaver or cadaver odour if its there ...with  a reliabilty of 95 % ..the problem arises if its not there...thats why grime and every other expert says the alerts need to be confirmed with physical evidence

[Mr Gray]

Grime had not trained his dogs well enough for them to name the source of the cadaver odour.

he hasnt shown to an acceptable scientific standard that the alerts are to cadaver odour

[Robittybob1]

Theres absolutely no doubt the dogs will find cadaver or cadaver odour if its there ...with  a reliabilty of 95 % ..the problem arises if its not there...thats why grime and every other expert says the alerts need to be confirmed with physical evidence

To have any possibility of naming the victim.

[The General]

Grime had not trained his dogs well enough for them to name the source of the cadaver odour.

'WOOF, WOOF......Susan, aged 76, heavy smoker, died of WOOF lung cancer in '99. WOOF. WOOF. Family WOOF decided to bring her WOOF ashes to a shabby holiday let in Praia De Nowhere WOOF and stick them WOOF in the cupboard'. 'WOOF. They locked the back door though WOOF'.

[The General]

he hasnt shown to an acceptable scientific standard that the alerts are to cadaver odour

Have your read Casella's most recent paper on the subject?
I have. But my laptop died and I can't be arsed looking for it again.

[Mr Gray]

To have any possibility of naming the victim.

no...that isnt true...please dont make things up and present them as facts. Physical evidence to confirm the alert is to cadaver odour...anybodies

[Mr Gray]

Have your read Casella's most recent paper on the subject?
I have. But my laptop died and I can't be arsed looking for it again.

then if you cant provide a cite I cant critically examine it...thats a scientific principle...I suspect it may not even exist

[Robittybob1]

'WOOF, WOOF......Susan, aged 76, heavy smoker, died of WOOF lung cancer in '99. WOOF. WOOF. Family WOOF decided to bring her WOOF ashes to a shabby holiday let in Praia De Nowhere WOOF and stick them WOOF in the cupboard'. 'WOOF. They locked the back door though WOOF'.

And you'd have Cockney Rhyme issues as well.  e.g "Dog and bone" means "telephone".

[Robittybob1]

no...that isnt true...please dont make things up and present them as facts. Physical evidence to confirm the alert is to cadaver odour...anybody's.

But I'm still right too.  DNA evidence will give you a " possibility of naming the victim".   Don't be too harsh on me please. (I even corrected your spelling.)

[Mr Gray]

But I'm still right too.  DNA evidence will give you a " possibility of naming the victim".   Don't be too harsh on me please. (I even corrected your spelling.)

the remains are to confirm the alerts...they will of course provide evidence to name the victim...you corrected my typing....not my spelling

[Robittybob1]

the remains are to confirm the alerts...they will of course provide evidence to name the victim...you corrected my typing....not my spelling

Provided the DNA has not decomposed too much. I wonder if a victim has ever been identified following the analysis of samples found at a site alerted to by a cadaver dog?