Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[jassi]

How does The Court do that?  Especially when Expert Witnesses disagree?

Usually come down to the persuasiveness of the lawyers involved -unless a judge gives a a specific direction to the jury to ignore something.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

How does The Court do that?  Especially when Expert Witnesses disagree?

I am not privy to how the court decides if you are competent and expert but I would guess that they look at the expert witnesses' past and decide if he qualifies or not.

[G-Unit]

Not good enough I'm afraid.  You might as well give up on The Law and leave it to the bark of a dog.  Such a pity they can't talk don't you think?

It may not be good enough for you, but your opinion doesn't count.

[Eleanor]

It may not be good enough for you, but your opinion doesn't count.

And sadly nor does yours.

[G-Unit]

And sadly nor does yours.

I wasn't expressing an opinion, I was recounting facts.

[Venturi Swirl]

Courts which have allowed dog handlers to testify as to what their dogs alerted to.

Courts allow all sorts of unreliable and / or conflicting witnesses to testify so I don't really think it's any sort of validation frankly. 

[Mr Gray]

Courts allow all sorts of unreliable and / or conflicting witnesses to testify so I don't really think it's any sort of validation frankly.

It isn't at all because it hasn't been robustly challenged.
LCN DNA was blindly accepted until challenged.  I wonder if lawyers in the two cases in Scotland are aware of what Grime snd Harrison said in Luz

[Venturi Swirl]

Attitudes towards the evidence of dog handlers has changed since 2007. Specifically courts in the USA and Scotland have gradually accepted over time that this evidence can be a useful part of a prosecution case. Cadaver dogs are no longer seen as 'incredibly unreliable', and their alerts are no longer seen as useless without forensic corroberation.

So what specific scientific advances have been made in understanding cadaver dog abilities and accuracy in recent years to enable courts to accept something as reliable that was once considered unreliable?  There must be a reason why they have changed their minds if what you are saying is correct. 

[G-Unit]

So what specific scientific advances have been made in understanding cadaver dog abilities and accuracy in recent years to enable courts to accept something as reliable that was once considered unreliable?  There must be a reason why they have changed their minds if what you are saying is correct.

I think cadaver dog alerts were only considered unreliable by an American judge, a Scottish cardiologist and some ill-informed supporters of the cardiologist.

[Eleanor]

I think cadaver dog alerts were only considered unreliable by an American judge, a Scottish cardiologist and some ill-informed supporters of the cardiologist.

And an American Dog Handler said that if there is no cadaver odour then dogs will bark at the next best thing like Urine.

[jassi]

And an American Dog Handler said that if there is no cadaver odour then dogs will bark at the next best thing like Urine.

Are you sure he wasn't just taking the p*ss ?

[Eleanor]

Are you sure he wasn't just taking the p*ss ?

Quite sure.  I watched The Trial.  And it was a woman, by the way.

[Venturi Swirl]

I think cadaver dog alerts were only considered unreliable by an American judge, a Scottish cardiologist and some ill-informed supporters of the cardiologist.

Ah, I see.  So they’ve always been considered reliable.  Makes you wonder why they’re not used more widely to decide guilt or innocence doesn’t it?  I mean if a dog alerts to a murder suspect’s home / car / effects then that more or less proves he did it right? 

[Venturi Swirl]

Given that only one judge, Gerry and his supporters consider dog alerts unreliable why on earth haven’t the McCanns been rrested and charged and why are the Germans ignoring them?  Please explain.

[Brietta]

Given that only one judge, Gerry and his supporters consider dog alerts unreliable why on earth haven’t the McCanns been rrested and charged and why are the Germans ignoring them?  Please explain.

Absolutely incredible that we are still talking dogs.  It seems some shibboleths are too dearly held to be given up lightly.