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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Admin on October 16, 2014, 02:21:28 AM
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A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, Malta, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.
(https://chrisukorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/roderick-robinson.jpg?w=529&h=351)
Roderick McDonald, 76, previously known as Roderick William Robinson, will be extradited to the UK.
Sicko Roderick William Robinson has been on the run for more than a decade and now sources say he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring.
Robinson, 77, was first arrested while lying low at a rundown campsite on the Algarve in 2010. He had been on the run for more than a decade. After Robinson’s arrest in 2010 he was extradited to Australia where he was wanted for raping an eight-year-old girl in 1998. After agreeing to a plea deal he was convicted of indecently assaulting the child and sentenced to six months in prison.
Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.
He moved to Brighton, east Sussex, and was made to sign the sex offenders register. But in June 2012 he went on to sexually assault two girls, aged five and seven, on a yacht. This led to another conviction but, despite his past, his 12-month sentence was suspended for two years. Within weeks he changed his name by deed poll and fled to the Far East.
Scotland Yard detectives are currently investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010. Six have come to light since an appeal by UK detectives last month, with five of those involving alleged sex attacks on British girls.
Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved assaults on British girls, aged six to 12. Three took place in Praia da Luz.
The attacks stopped at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal.
He was first arrested by Portuguese police at a campsite in Olhao on the Algarve, 60 miles from Praia da Luz. He associated with other paedophiles in the area around the time Madeleine vanished.
A source said: “These are questions that could have particular significance in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
When he was deported from Thailand, Robinson told a reporter: “I’m a marked man for the rest of my life which won’t be very long.”
Read full article (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-police-hunt-3493850#ixzz3GGTZI1C1)
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This is the trouble when they let them have plea bargains they can go on to do it again. Once a pedo always a pedo. Its ludicrous i cant believe he was only given 6 months, yet the celebrities in this country have been banged up for 8 years etc for no evidence....and historical abuse aka groping etc.
Something blo((dy wrong with all this.
Any known pedo with proven sexual assault should be castrated IMHO.
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Interesting report, which puts paid to the notion that ONLY British children were attacked on the Algarve, something which had hitherto attracted sneers of derision on this forum about the attacks themselves. Let's hope this is the man responsible and that he is brought to justice soon.
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Interesting report, which puts paid to the notion that ONLY British children were attacked on the Algarve, something which had hitherto attracted sneers of derision on this forum about the attacks themselves. Let's hope this is the man responsible and that he is brought to justice soon.
Initially I thought the interest in him was not as a suspect but because he might be able to furnish information about organised paedophile rings in the Algarve, however the more I read about him the more worried I become.
What on earth was his source of income to allow him to travel the world, and sail a yacht round the Mediterranean reportedly visiting places … in which by coincidence, there have been sightings of Madeleine.
In one Mirror article alone
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British detectives believe he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring that operated across the Algarve at the time three-year-old Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz in 2007.
Today DCI Andy Redwood hinted his detectives will attempt to interview McDonald.
After months of ’No Comments’ to reporters trailing him during his regular trips to Portugal, Mr Redwood said when asked if he wanted to question McDonald as he left the Coimbra forensics HQ: “Not today.”
When MacDonald was arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the Maltese island of Gozo on Monday he told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
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Today shocked friends in Sannat revealed MacDonald would often boast to them how he would sail a private yacht around the Mediterranean, often stopping in resorts like Praia da Luz in Portugal.
Retired policeman John Buttigieg, 55, who knew MacDonald during his time in Malta, said people could not believe they had such a dangerous predator in their midst.
He said: “We are sickened by this, this guy lived in our community, played with our children, nobody can believe he was allowed to travel the world without the authorities catching him before now.
“The entire island is shocked that he could have lived amongst us for so long and as an ex-cop I cannot understand how he was able to travel so freely if he was a wanted man - it’s a very bad joke.”
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British police are currently probing 18 break-ins at Algarve villas by an intruder from 2004 to 201 they believe could be key to cracking the Madeleine McCann case.
The attacks stopped around the time McDonald was deported to Australia and they believe he has crucial information about paedophile gangs operating in the area at the time.
A source said: “Roderick Robinson is a notorious and dangerous sex offender.
“He has shown a pattern of disturbing behaviour wherever he has travelled.
“He may have vital information which could shed light on the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150#ixzz3GIR1u451
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Initially I thought the interest in him was not as a suspect but because he might be able to furnish information about organised paedophile rings in the Algarve, however the more I read about him the more worried I become.
What on earth was his source of income to allow him to travel the world, and sail a yacht round the Mediterranean reportedly visiting places … in which by coincidence, there have been sightings of Madeleine.
In one Mirror article alone
>>snip<<
British detectives believe he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring that operated across the Algarve at the time three-year-old Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz in 2007.
Today DCI Andy Redwood hinted his detectives will attempt to interview McDonald.
After months of ’No Comments’ to reporters trailing him during his regular trips to Portugal, Mr Redwood said when asked if he wanted to question McDonald as he left the Coimbra forensics HQ: “Not today.”
When MacDonald was arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the Maltese island of Gozo on Monday he told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
>>snip<<
Today shocked friends in Sannat revealed MacDonald would often boast to them how he would sail a private yacht around the Mediterranean, often stopping in resorts like Praia da Luz in Portugal.
Retired policeman John Buttigieg, 55, who knew MacDonald during his time in Malta, said people could not believe they had such a dangerous predator in their midst.
He said: “We are sickened by this, this guy lived in our community, played with our children, nobody can believe he was allowed to travel the world without the authorities catching him before now.
“The entire island is shocked that he could have lived amongst us for so long and as an ex-cop I cannot understand how he was able to travel so freely if he was a wanted man - it’s a very bad joke.”
>>snip<<
British police are currently probing 18 break-ins at Algarve villas by an intruder from 2004 to 201 they believe could be key to cracking the Madeleine McCann case.
The attacks stopped around the time McDonald was deported to Australia and they believe he has crucial information about paedophile gangs operating in the area at the time.
A source said: “Roderick Robinson is a notorious and dangerous sex offender.
“He has shown a pattern of disturbing behaviour wherever he has travelled.
“He may have vital information which could shed light on the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150#ixzz3GIR1u451
Just chuck a load of paedo suspect names out there & say christ what if he did it!...., ignore the fact that no one can explain how the hell they could have got in and out of the apartment & actually carry the deed out.
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Someone was getting in and out of appartments on The Algarve, and sexually assaulting young girls. And this man mixed with other paedophiles. So at the very least he might know something.
This is a very promising lead so I don't know where the barrel scalping comes in.
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Someone was getting in and out of appartments on The Algarve, and sexually assaulting young girls. And this man mixed with other paedophiles. So at the very least he might know something.
This is a very promising lead so I don't know where the barrel scalping comes in.
No it's not Eleanor. It's the press putting two and two together and making five, ably assisted by 'the source' of course !
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Someone was getting in and out of appartments on The Algarve, and sexually assaulting young girls. And this man mixed with other paedophiles. So at the very least he might know something.
This is a very promising lead so I don't know where the barrel scalping comes in.
This guy has precisely jack sh*t to do with Madeleine's not abduction.
Explain how an abduction could have occured from 5a, fitting with the evidence, without making me laugh.
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No it's not Eleanor. It's the press putting two and two together and making five, ably assisted by 'the source' of course !
That is the press for you. The journalists creed - "Make it sing, make it dance, make it up".
And it has always been necessary to take what appears with a whole cellarful of salt.
There are a few good, honourable journalists of the old school left. And a few good new ones - but most will anything for a story.
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This guy has precisely jack sh*t to do with Madeleine's not abduction.
Explain how an abduction could have occured from 5a, fitting with the evidence, without making me laugh.
I am confused as I thought they were blaming dead tractor man for all the other break ins? I agree with you sentiments above though.
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I am confused as I thought they were blaming dead tractor man for all the other break ins? I agree with you sentiments above though.
Good point, & the other guy was the pot bellied, poor hygeine, burgudy shirt guy who spoke slowly with a foreign accent, IIRC.
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He is a bit too fat and looks unfit to be jumping in and out of small windows without leaving a trace...
Although, his friend looks like an older version of Gerry on another thread (Scottish paedos). I just want to clarify that the Welsh, English, and Irish also have Paedos.
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A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, Malta, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.
(https://chrisukorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/roderick-robinson.jpg?w=529&h=351)
Roderick McDonald, 76, previously known as Roderick William Robinson, will be extradited to the UK.
Sicko Roderick William Robinson has been on the run for more than a decade and now sources say he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring.
Robinson, 77, was first arrested while lying low at a rundown campsite on the Algarve in 2010. He had been on the run for more than a decade. After Robinson’s arrest in 2010 he was extradited to Australia where he was wanted for raping an eight-year-old girl in 1998. After agreeing to a plea deal he was convicted of indecently assaulting the child and sentenced to six months in prison.
Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.
He moved to Brighton, east Sussex, and was made to sign the sex offenders register. But in June 2012 he went on to sexually assault two girls, aged five and seven, on a yacht. This led to another conviction but, despite his past, his 12-month sentence was suspended for two years. Within weeks he changed his name by deed poll and fled to the Far East.
Scotland Yard detectives are currently investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010. Six have come to light since an appeal by UK detectives last month, with five of those involving alleged sex attacks on British girls.
Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved assaults on British girls, aged six to 12. Three took place in Praia da Luz.
The attacks stopped at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal.
He was first arrested by Portuguese police at a campsite in Olhao on the Algarve, 60 miles from Praia da Luz. He associated with other paedophiles in the area around the time Madeleine vanished.
A source said: “These are questions that could have particular significance in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
When he was deported from Thailand, Robinson told a reporter: “I’m a marked man for the rest of my life which won’t be very long.”
Read full article (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-police-hunt-3493850#ixzz3GGTZI1C1)
Red bits: sources?
Blue bit: it does not say 18 sexual assaults it says 18 break ins during which there were nine sexual assaults on British girls. It does not mention sexual assaults on girls of other nationalities.
Orange bit: there had been a discernible pattern & frequency?
Same old place same old stories , what can I do I .............?
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So,this guy may be able to help with info of a paedophile ring operating in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. How is that going to help the investigation? Thought SY think she was killed/taken in a botched burglary attempt? If they want to know about the paedophiles that were operating in the area at the time,why don't they just ask Gerry? He was the one that mentioned them in a phonecall to a family member the night his daughter went missing.
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So,this guy may be able to help with info of a paedophile ring operating in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. How is that going to help the investigation? Thought SY think she was killed/taken in a botched burglary attempt? If they want to know about the paedophiles that were operating in the area at the time,why don't they just ask Gerry? He was the one that mentioned them in a phonecall to a family member the night his daughter went missing.
He certainly mentioned it to someone, but quite how he knew that remains a mystery.... &%+((£
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm
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Glad you put that link up before someone comes along to claim it never happened.
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So,this guy may be able to help with info of a paedophile ring operating in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. How is that going to help the investigation? Thought SY think she was killed/taken in a botched burglary attempt? If they want to know about the paedophiles that were operating in the area at the time,why don't they just ask Gerry? He was the one that mentioned them in a phonecall to a family member the night his daughter went missing.
*Congratulations* ... you are the first I have reported for offensive posting ... but in my opinion that comment does not belong on this forum.
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This man is a known and convicted paedophile. And he was in the area during the years that these break ins and sexual assaults happened.
I don't know if he was involved, but It would have to be some kind of insanity if The Police weren't suspicious, and didn't question him about it.
Surely we can agree on that
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This man is a known and convicted paedophile. And he was in the area during the years that these break ins and sexual assaults happened.
I don't know if he was involved, but It would have to be some kind of insanity if The Police weren't suspicious, and didn't question him about it.
Surely we can agree on that
All I'm saying is, this guy, vile nonce douchebag that he is, has nothing to do with Madeleine....
Abduction just doesn't fit the evidence....
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I am confused as I thought they were blaming dead tractor man for all the other break ins? I agree with you sentiments above though.
Who is "they"? As I understand it the PJ were blaming "Dead Tractor Man," not the Met.
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So,this guy may be able to help with info of a paedophile ring operating in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. How is that going to help the investigation? Thought SY think she was killed/taken in a botched burglary attempt? If they want to know about the paedophiles that were operating in the area at the time,why don't they just ask Gerry? He was the one that mentioned them in a phonecall to a family member the night his daughter went missing.
Are you serious? A child goes missing in the middile of the night, clearly not of her own volition, and you think it strange that a) her father might fear the worst ie: that she had been snatched by paedophiles and b) that the Met would consider the presence of a known paedophile in the area at the time to be of interest to the investigation? I think it's strange that you think it's strange tbh.
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According to CEOP annual report, it would appear that this chap was in New Zealand at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf - see page 29
Not really that close to the Algarve as some would like, perhaps.
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According to CEOP annual report, it would appear that this chap was in New Zealand at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf - see page 29
Not really that close to the Algarve as some would like, perhaps.
He didn't have to be in the Algarve at that particular time to have information regarding paedophile rings their members and where they are located - we do know that the Algarve was one of his areas of operation.
So do calm down.
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He didn't have to be in the Algarve at that particular time to have information regarding paedophile rings their members and where they are located - we do know that the Algarve was one of his areas of operation.
So do calm down.
We realise that but:
I kicked off with Alfie boys post about him (Roderick Wotzisface) being "in the area". The distance craic flowed from that %£&)**#
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He didn't have to be in the Algarve at that particular time to have information regarding paedophile rings their members and where they are located - we do know that the Algarve was one of his areas of operation.
So do calm down.
Is anyone getting excited - other than the media and their mystery source ?
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He didn't have to be in the Algarve at that particular time to have information regarding paedophile rings their members and where they are located - we do know that the Algarve was one of his areas of operation.
So do calm down.
Why do you feel you know what happens in Paedophile rings? You write as though they have membership cards and AGMs.
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*Congratulations* ... you are the first I have reported for offensive posting ... but in my opinion that comment does not belong on this forum.
I see how you cleverly took a sentence out of my post to make it appear out of context and then call it offensive. Read together with the last paragraph it was a statement of fact.
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Sadly children are more in danger now of being sexually abused by someone they know, rather then an opportunistic pedophile creeping into their bedrooms at night.
The facts and figures are all out there........not saying this is what happened to the child, but there was more chance of that happening if you go by statistics............sadly.
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Sadly children are more in danger now of being sexually abused by someone they know, rather then an opportunistic pedophile creeping into their bedrooms at night.
The facts and figures are all out there........not saying this is what happened to the child, but there was more chance of that happening if you go by statistics............sadly.
Wonder what it does to your statistics when one takes into consideration the prevalence of home invasions for the intention of burglary and child assault in combination with the number of ex-pat paedophiles (those that were known about) who had taken up home in the Algarve of whom this man was one?
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One child abused or abducted by a stranger is a statistic.
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This man had a boat and could be anywhere at any given time. children have gone missing without a trace ever found makes me wonder. &%+((£
He had links with Malta too, where there was a lot of sightings in 2007. He had expensive taste and travelled a lot. Pension money? Nah!
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Wonder what it does to your statistics when one takes into consideration the prevalence of home invasions for the intention of burglary and child assault in combination with the number of ex-pat paedophiles (those that were known about) who had taken up home in the Algarve of whom this man was one?
People quote "statistics"... that can mean anything or nothing, depending on the research criteria.
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This man had a boat and could be anywhere at any given time. children have gone missing without a trace ever found makes me wonder. &%+((£
He had links with Malta too, where there was a lot of sightings in 2007. He had expensive taste and travelled a lot. Pension money? Nah!
I have always thought that there was a boat involved. And Sadie did a lot of research into Malta and Gozo, long before this man was ever mentioned.
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This man had a boat and could be anywhere at any given time. children have gone missing without a trace ever found makes me wonder. &%+((£
He had links with Malta too, where there was a lot of sightings in 2007. He had expensive taste and travelled a lot. Pension money? Nah!
What sort of boat are you talking about?
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What sort of boat are you talking about?
I dont know much about boats, except for powerboats( sking) but I believe it was a yacht and in one report it said that he called himself Captain Rod. He may have made money from fishing trips etc, but not yet known, how he could afford it. To board a biggish boat near Praia da Luz, he would probably need a powered dinhgy
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I have always thought that there was a boat involved. And Sadie did a lot of research into Malta and Gozo, long before this man was ever mentioned.
She did indeed. She gets a lot of detail correct too.
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I dont know much about boats, except for powerboats( sking) but I believe it was a yacht and in one report it said that he called himself Captain Rod. He may have made money from fishing trips etc, but not yet known, how he could afford it. To board a biggish boat near Praia da Luz, he would probably need a powered dinhgy
Have you got some sort of link about this boat?
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People quote "statistics"... that can mean anything or nothing, depending on the research criteria.
Sometimes they can be useful ... but I tend to go with ... " Lies, damned lies, and statistics "
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I dont know much about boats, except for powerboats( sking) but I believe it was a yacht and in one report it said that he called himself Captain Rod. He may have made money from fishing trips etc, but not yet known, how he could afford it. To board a biggish boat near Praia da Luz, he would probably need a powered dinhgy
That the PJ is on record as checking out traffic in the marina shows an escape by sea was considered at the time.
I can’t find any record of any checks they may have made on yachts lying offshore at PDL or asked any locals about dinghy movements.
There is no doubt access to the open sea would be easy from the former fishing village.
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Have you got some sort of link about this boat?
Best I can find just now, Jassi.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-allowed-paedophile-3557684
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That the PJ is on record as checking out traffic in the marina shows an escape by sea was considered at the time.
I can’t find any record of any checks they may have made on yachts lying offshore at PDL or asked any locals about dinghy movements.
There is no doubt access to the open sea would be easy from the former fishing village.
Apparently it was checked, but they had no cctv. If it was a by sea getaway. I dont think they would hang around
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Best I can find just now, Jassi.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-allowed-paedophile-3557684
Thanks for that.
So he had a boat in Brighton at some time, but didn't use it in Portugal in 2007 as he was in New Zealand at the time - according to CEOP
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Quote from Amaral's book
The Algarvian coast, very popular with sailing enthusiasts, is bordered by a large number of marinas. Pleasure boats from every province berth here. Situated 120 nautical miles from the African continent, between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, it is the most accessible coast for entering the continent of Europe. It attracts many yachtsmen, who appreciate the beauty of its beaches and its inlets, but it also attracts all sorts of traffickers.
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Thanks for that.
So he had a boat in Brighton at some time, but didn't use it in Portugal in 2007 as he was in New Zealand at the time - according to CEOP
According to newspapers he was in a campsite near to PDL when Madeleine was abducted.
He was later extradited to Australia from where he fled to NewZealand.
I must admit I did not trail through the whole CEOP link you posted ... would it be possible for you to indicate the page or post a copy?
He was very familiar with Portugal, and sailed the Med ... so even if not directly involved ... he could have useful information to impart.
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Quote from Amaral's book
The Algarvian coast, very popular with sailing enthusiasts, is bordered by a large number of marinas. Pleasure boats from every province berth here. Situated 120 nautical miles from the African continent, between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, it is the most accessible coast for entering the continent of Europe. It attracts many yachtsmen, who appreciate the beauty of its beaches and its inlets, but it also attracts all sorts of traffickers.
Much as I denigrate Dr Amaral's book ... I think that was a very knowledgeable statement ... he had spent much of his working life as a policeman combatting just these people.
It is a long coastline with many inlets and the obvious way to transport goods and people without being observed.
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I dont know much about boats, except for powerboats( sking) but I believe it was a yacht and in one report it said that he called himself Captain Rod. He may have made money from fishing trips etc, but not yet known, how he could afford it. To board a biggish boat near Praia da Luz, he would probably need a powered dinhgy
Very GMTV.
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Much as I denigrate Dr Amaral's book ... I think that was a very knowledgeable statement ... he had spent much of his working life as a policeman combatting just these people.
It is a long coastline with many inlets and the obvious way to transport goods and people without being observed.
Lagos airport is only 10km away....
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According to newspapers he was in a campsite near to PDL when Madeleine was abducted.
He was later extradited to Australia from where he fled to NewZealand.
I must admit I did not trail through the whole CEOP link you posted ... would it be possible for you to indicate the page or post a copy?
He was very familiar with Portugal, and sailed the Med ... so even if not directly involved ... he could have useful information to impart.
It was page 29 - as I stated with the original link
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Lagos airport is only 10km away....
The airport has passport checks and is a very public place ...
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Thanks for that.
So he had a boat in Brighton at some time, but didn't use it in Portugal in 2007 as he was in New Zealand at the time - according to CEOP
When he was in Malta. he spoke about his yacht and PDL
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150#ixzz3GIR1u451
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Isn't the Mirror wonderful. From the link above
Today DCI Andy Redwood hinted his detectives will attempt to interview McDonald.
After months of ’No Comments’ to reporters trailing him during his regular trips to Portugal, Mr Redwood said when asked if he wanted to question McDonald as he left the Coimbra forensics HQ: “Not today.”
I would call that a brush off rather than a hint.
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Thanks Anna for link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150#ixzz3GIR1u451
"he would sail a private yacht around the Mediterranean, often stopping in resorts like Praia da Luz"
Whoever fed that article to the journo is using clever phrasing to mislead readers. It implies that his yacht stopped at Praia Da Luz. It didn't. There is no harbour at PDL, nowhere to moor a yacht.
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It was page 29 - as I stated with the original link
What I can see is that he arrived in australia june 2010 after being extradited from portugal......Have I missed something? Maddie disappeared in 2007
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It says he was in New Zealand from 2001 until 2009 - 2nd paragraph
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Thanks Anna for link
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150#ixzz3GIR1u451
"he would sail a private yacht around the Mediterranean, often stopping in resorts like Praia da Luz"
Whoever fed that article to the journo is using clever phrasing to mislead readers. It implies that his yacht stopped at Praia Da Luz. It didn't. There is no harbour at PDL, nowhere to moor a yacht.
I dont think he would moor Pegasus. He or one the crew would go in on a smaller motorised craft IMO
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I dont think he would moor Pegasus. He or one the crew would go in on a smaller motorised craft IMO
So what sort of yacht was it?
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It says he was in New Zealand from 2001 until 2009 - 2nd paragraph
Sorry Jassi. I see now what you mean, but could he mot have used this passport before (if needed)
Copy of document
A N N U A L R E V I E W 2 0 0 9 - 2 0 1 0
A 72 year-old British man, Roderick Robinson, arrived in Australia on Sunday 6 June 2010 following his
extradition from Portugal. He had been on the run since 2001 for alleged sexual offences against a child
in Australia. He was tracked down and arrested in Portugal as a direct result of the activities of CEOP’s
Overseas Tracker Team.
Robinson was first arrested in 2001 in Australia for the alleged assault of a young girl and was bailed
pending court hearings. He failed to appear to answer the charges in 2001. Fleeing Australia, he entered
New Zealand where he was arrested for child sexual offences allegedly committed there. He was granted
bail with the requirement he surrender his passport. In November 2009 using a stolen passport, Robinson
left New Zealand bound for the UK.Piecing together intelligence on his transient movements in the UK, CEOP investigators worked with local
police and the UK Borders Agency and located him in Portugal. The Overseas Tracker Team disseminated
intelligence on Robinson to Portugal, via INTERPOL, to advise them of the threat he posed to children in
their country. In response to Australia’s request for Robinson’s urgent provisional arrest, Portuguese police
arrested Robinson in March 2010 and he was extradited to New South Wales, Australia to face justice.
Overseas Tracker C A S E S T U D Y
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf
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Possibly, but then he would need to get back into NZ in order to be able to leave again on the false passport.
More likely that CEOP are correct than some tabloid newspaper, I think.
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I dont think he would moor Pegasus. He or one the crew would go in on a smaller motorised craft IMO
Plus we have to consider Sadie's windy weather, I don't know if you have ever tried anchoring and going ashore in a tender in rough weather, not a pleasant or easy activity.
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Possibly, but then he would need to get back into NZ in order to be able to leave again on the false passport.
More likely that CEOP are correct than some tabloid newspaper, I think.
I would go with the CEOP report in preference to tabloid reports.
This person and no doubt many like him seem to be able to embark on worldwide excursions without let or hindrance … and when they are caught the penalties seem to be a joke.
I am still very much of the opinion that he is well worth interrogating … he hasn’t only committed the offences detailed on the International Arrest Warrant … he has been active since before 2001.
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I would go with the CEOP report in preference to tabloid reports.
This person and no doubt many like him seem to be able to embark on worldwide excursions without let or hindrance … and when they are caught the penalties seem to be a joke.
I am still very much of the opinion that he is well worth interrogating … he hasn’t only committed the offences detailed on the International Arrest Warrant … he has been active since before 2001.
So are we to believe this repeat offender went 8-9 years without re-offending anywhere?
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So are we to believe this repeat offender went 8-9 years without re-offending anywhere?
I think this man has been offending for many years before his first prosecution and I believe he never stopped from then onwards.
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Any idea what this Roderick McDonald/Roderick William Robinson,s yacht is called....?
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Any idea what this Roderick McDonald/Roderick William Robinson,s yacht is called....?
Wouldn’t you think some enterprising journalist from the local paper would have been down to interview the neighbours to find out where his yacht was berthed and syndicate photographs?
Did he actually own a yacht which was his own or was it a part ownership ... which could open other doors? Did someone lend him a yacht ... again that could be interesting? Or did he hire one as and when?
I daresay all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
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Or is he just a bullshitter who talks to impress ?
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Or is he just a bullshitter who talks to impress ?
I think he is a lot of things but fortunately not a Mirror reader or he would have packed his little knapsack and taken himself off to pastures new five months ago … although I think he was rapidly running out of options for somewhere to drop anchor as his depravity seems to have been catching up with him.
It will be interesting to see where the arrest of this man may take the detectives investigating Madeleine's case, and if they are able to pin down information on other thoroughly evil people in the process ... that will be all to the good.
May 09, 2014 17:28
By Russell Myers
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“The British police want to question them as part of their line of investigation based on a sexual predator breaking into various houses.”
This shift in the investigation could mean Briton Raymond Hewlett, a convicted child rapist who was living on the Algarve when Maddie went missing, could once again in the frame.
The monster went to his death refusing to speak to investigators hunting for Madeleine McCann after he was sensationally linked to her disappearance.
The evil sex beast had been staying in their converted truck at a camping site near Praia da Luz at the time three-year-old Madeleine disappeared as her parents Kate and Gerry dined out with friends at the Ocean Club holiday complex.
British cops are also hunting another convicted child sex attacker Roderick Robinson, 77.
Our sister paper the Sunday Mirror revealed this week how vile Robinson was extradited from Portugal in 2010 to Australia where he was sentenced for abusing an eight-year-old girl.
Sources say he could have vital information concerning a paedophile ring in the Algarve while he was living there which could in turn be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.
Scotland Yard detectives have previously spoken of their belief that a serial sex attacker on the Algarve could be behind the case.
They are linking 18 incidents when a male intruder broke into British families’ holiday villas between 2004 and 2010 and sexually assaulted nine girls with three near-misses.
One of the victims, a ten-year-old girl, was assaulted in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine vanished from the resort.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-metropolitan-police-investigating-3519393
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http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-10-18/local-news/Man-wanted-in-UK-as-part-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-jailed-18-months-for-child-porn-6736123982
Saturday, 18 October 2014, 18:13
The man wanted in the UK in connection with the disappearance of Madeliene McCann this afternoon was jailed for 18 months for possession of child pornography.
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Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment in Sannat, admitted to being in possession of pornographic photographs of children found on his laptop.
On Tuesday, the 77-year-old convicted paedophile consented to his extradition when he appeared before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli, a day after he was arrested by the police in Gozo.
Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007 after disappearing during a
family holiday in Portugal.
The magistrate jailed him for 18 months.
The Mirror has reported that the man told people he met in Sannat that he has a Maltese mother.
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Does extradition trump a prison sentence, or will he serve that before extradition ?
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Does extradition trump a prison sentence, or will he serve that before extradition ?
I think he will have to serve the sentence first, and then be extradited immediately on release.
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I think he will have to serve the sentence first, and then be extradited immediately on release.
If he cooperates I think the police will be able to arrange to interview him while he is serving his sentence.
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I can just imagine this lardy paedophile slipping effortlessly through the window to 5a, at the age of 70.
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Yes, no doubt someone will have calculated the maximum girth that would pass through the window.
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Yes, no doubt someone will have calculated the maximum girth that would pass through the window.
I don't believe for one second that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. However, his computer may contain few useful links & he may also be prepared to name a few associates. That, in itself, could possibly get a few more of these vile beasts off the streets.
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I don't believe for one second that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. However, his computer may contain few useful links & he may also be prepared to name a few associates. That, in itself, could possibly get a few more of these vile beasts off the streets.
Provided they can be charged convicted and sentenced of course or had you something a trifle more reactionary in mind?
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I don't believe for one second that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance. However, his computer may contain few useful links & he may also be prepared to name a few associates. That, in itself, could possibly get a few more of these vile beasts off the streets.
That is the sum of it, Misty.
I too think his usefulness may lie in something or someone he knows rather than being directly implicated himself.
I find it interesting that it is only within the past few months that a European Arrest Warrant has been issued for him (according to the media).
Perhaps that may be allied to information retrieved during the present investigation … the timing appears to be right.
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Provided they can be charged convicted and sentenced of course or had you something a trifle more reactionary in mind?
remember the mccanns have not even been arrested but have already been found guilty by some
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Life can be such a bummer.
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remember the mccanns have not even been arrested but have already been found guilty by some
Expliquez s'il vous plait?
Found guilty of what? They haven't been charged with anything yet, furthermore the circumstances of the disappearance/fate of their daughter has yet to be conclusively ascertained by the appropriate authorities.
From my perspective they are guilty of taking a gamble, that we are led to believe hundreds of thousands of other parents take on an almost daily basis, and losing. The McCanns it seems just got really unlucky.
So back to original point of the potential cohorts Roderick Wotzisface; they should be afforded by the faithful what the faithful expect for the McCanns. As a principle my bad behaviour is no excuse for bad behaviour by you is it now ?
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Expliquez s'il vous plait?
Found guilty of what? They haven't been charged with anything yet, furthermore the circumstances of the disappearance/fate of their daughter has yet to be conclusively ascertained by the appropriate authorities.
From my perspective they are guilty of taking a gamble, that we are led to believe hundreds of thousands of other parents take on an almost daily basis, and losing. The McCanns it seems just got really unlucky.
So back to original point of the potential cohorts Roderick Wotzisface; they should be afforded by the faithful what the faithful expect for the McCanns. As a principle my bad behaviour is no excuse for bad behaviour by you is it now ?
The mccanns have been found guilty on twitter and many forums...Maddie certainly was unlucky...I haven't criticised rod for anything...
of course the biggest criticism goes to amaral...who declared them guilty in his book
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So, has the date for Rod's hanging been decided yet? or are they going the slow route and questioning the buggar- and giving him that 'you have the right to remain silent crap' Tsk.
I hope he follows Kate's example and refuses to cooperate- and sets up a fund- to help him proclaim his innocence-and pay for lawyers to stop extradition and get himself a good PR MAN..Oh he is in luck - old Cliffy (Max) in banged up as well- they could share stories...
Alice- I got the Shakespeare reference way back, and liked it. You are indeed an ACTORrrrr. lol
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So, has the date for Rod's hanging been decided yet? or are they going the slow route and questioning the buggar- and giving him that 'you have the right to remain silent crap' Tsk.
I hope he follows Kate's example and refuses to cooperate- and sets up a fund- to help him proclaim his innocence-and pay for lawyers to stop extradition and get himself a good PR MAN..Oh he is in luck - old Cliffy (Max) in banged up as well- they could share stories...
Alice- I got the Shakespeare reference way back, and liked it. You are indeed an ACTORrrrr. lol
Who needs a PR man when he has apologists such as you posting support for him.
That this man may actually have information regarding Madeleine McCann’s abduction sends a shiver down my spine.
I wonder how many young lives he has blighted in his international sojourns?
"The Mirror has learned that MacDonald, who has been convicted of attacking young girls across the globe, visited Australia, Cyprus, Dubai and the Philippines before eventually making a home for himself in the sleepy village of Sannat on the island of Gozo over the last six months."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150
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I wonder which helpful source provided that information.
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Hmmm … a quick glance at the title of the thread reveals that I don’t feature … nor do trolls … who have their very own thread.
This one is devoted to a very nasty man, who looks like a benign grandfather, who may or may not have information to impart which may assist the police in their investigation into Madeleine McCann’s abduction.
I am certain that the Portuguese authorities and Interpol will be as interested in what he may have to say as the Met are said to be, and having gone to the bother of getting a European Arrest Warrant for him I am sure that is true.
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Some paedophiles have women assistants.
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/carlisle-bernadine-samuels-helped-paedophile-jailed-1.1169236
I see "Big Jim" is on telly moaning about "Kitten Heels" chopping CEOP. And the government say with 50,000 paedophiles "suspected" some will slip through the net. And surprise surprise they are not all fat smelly sleazy looking blue collar workers with beer bellies.
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Some paedophiles have women assistants.
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/carlisle-bernadine-samuels-helped-paedophile-jailed-1.1169236
I see "Big Jim" is on telly moaning about "Kitten Heels" chopping CEOP. And the government say with 50,000 paedophiles "suspected" some will slip through the net. And surprise surprise they are not all fat smelly sleazy looking blue collar workers with beer bellies.
Yup I saw that too...
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There is something about this RR man that is very interesting to me..
Soz, but I cant tell you what. 8**8:/:
He is not my suspect, I hasten to add.
Nigh night
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There is something about this RR man that is very interesting to me..
Soz, but I cant tell you what. 8**8:/:
He is not my suspect, I hasten to add.
Nigh night
He is neither/nor, is he? Wonder who he really is?
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Hmmm … a quick glance at the title of the thread reveals that I don’t feature … nor do trolls … who have their very own thread.
This one is devoted to a very nasty man, who looks like a benign grandfather, who may or may not have information to impart which may assist the police in their investigation into Madeleine McCann’s abduction.
I am certain that the Portuguese authorities and Interpol will be as interested in what he may have to say as the Met are said to be, and having gone to the bother of getting a European Arrest Warrant for him I am sure that is true.
He doesn't.
And, she wasn't.
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He is neither/nor, is he? Wonder who he really is?
Hi Misty,
Whilst I cannot not be explicit. I do not wish to confuse and wonder if I have worded my last post badly.
RR is not my actual suspect, but there is something about him that is very interesting.
Fingers crossed that SY are right and that he leads them to the main perp. I think he might.... but time will tell.
This is all I am saying about the matter.
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I am intrigued that MSM is still reporting that this man was living in the Algarve at a time when Madeleine was on holiday. This is at variance with the CEOPS document which shows him being elsewhere.
No doubt all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
>>clip<<
He had a history of disappearing after facing child abuse charges.
Macdonald was reportedly living in Portugal's Algarve region when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
It was understood Macdonald was deported from Portugal to Australia in 2010 to face charges of raping an 8-year-old girl in 1989.
While on bail, he fled to New Zealand - and while on bail in New Zealand, he fled again.
He was arrested in the Algarve in 2010 on an international arrest warrant, English newspaper the Telegraph reported.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11347241
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He doesn't.
And, she wasn't.
About time to get real ... just because the man is a monster, doesn't mean he actually has to look like one ... generally they don't ... which is what makes them so dangerous ...
[ speculation removed ]
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About time to get real ... just because the man is a monster, doesn't mean he actually has to look like one ... generally they don't ... which is what makes them so dangerous ...
[ speculation removed ]
When did I say he doesn't look like a monster?
And what does a monster look like?
And no, it's just too bloomin obvious that she wasn't.
'Hulk' said murder, but it was just a slip of the tongue, twice.
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Madeleine McCann-linked paedophile fled 'on my passport'
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26 October 2014
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SHOCKED: Rex Smith showed his passport to paedophile suspect Roderick Robinson.
The Madeleine McCann kidnap ring suspect fled from New Zealand to Portugal - on a passport he stole from a close Kiwi friend.
In an exclusive interview yesterday, New Zealand man Rex Smith said he once trusted Roderick Robinson, till police turned up on his Auckland doorstep and told him Robinson had used his passport to flee to Portugal.
Robinson, also known as Roderick Macdonald, has multiple warrants out for his arrest around the world. New Zealand police want him for offences from 2009, including the alleged indecent assaults of children in Hamilton and Auckland, and a Passport Act charge. That charge alleges he used Smith's passport to flee New Zealand.
The two men were once close friends - they spent time together at the Auckland retirement village where they both lived.
But Robinson was not well-liked: "There were 70-odd residents and none of the women liked him," Smith said. "Looking back on what he was, the women must have been picking up the vibes."
One woman resident told the Star-Times: "He told me he worked for the navy but he was a conman . . . none of [his stories] were true."
He was never visited by friends or family. His mail and junkmail would stack up in the shed.
Another neighbour, Don, said: "He called himself Captain Robinson - he reckoned he was a qualified captain for seagoing vessels. He told me he was going to take a vessel down to Tauranga and then sail to Fiji. And then he left, he left a whole lot of gear behind that had to get sold on his behalf."
"I was picking up his stuff and that's how I know he was using two different names because he was getting all these letters from social welfare and the power board . . . I thought, ‘What are you up to?' "
Smith had no idea his passport was missing until police knocked on his door. After asking if he knew Robinson and where he was, they told him they had been looking for the paedophile for three years.
They then asked to see Smith's passport. "I said it was in the drawer. I open the drawer, and it's not there."
Police told him his passport was found in Portugal and that Robinson had used it.
This month Robinson was arrested in Malta, and is being extradited to Britain to serve a sentence for abusing two girls there. British police also want to speak to him about a paedophile ring possibly operating in the Algarve in Portugal when 3-year-old Madeleine vanished from that area in 2007.
It is not known whether Robinson was in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's abduction, but he returned there in 2009, before being deported to Australia the following year to face charges of raping an 8-year-old girl.
Smith said he knows, with hindsight, how Robinson got his passport, which was brand new from the Department of Internal Affairs.
"I showed it to him and he said, ‘Oh, we're alike, aren't we?'
"I said, ‘No, not really.'
"I had to go to the toilet then, so I put it back where it was and he must have seen it."
Robinson had seemed like a regular person, whom Smith said he trusted. "Of course I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed because he's turned out to be the person he is - two-faced, a dark horse. He was an expert crim."
He said he had been entirely unaware of Robinson's criminal past. "It was a shock."
Robinson has reportedly travelled on stolen passports regularly.
www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10663829/Madeleine-McCann-linked-paedophile-fled-on-my-passport
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Madeleine McCann-linked paedophile fled 'on my passport'
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26 October 2014
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SHOCKED: Rex Smith showed his passport to paedophile suspect Roderick Robinson.
The Madeleine McCann kidnap ring suspect fled from New Zealand to Portugal - on a passport he stole from a close Kiwi friend.
In an exclusive interview yesterday, New Zealand man Rex Smith said he once trusted Roderick Robinson, till police turned up on his Auckland doorstep and told him Robinson had used his passport to flee to Portugal.
Robinson, also known as Roderick Macdonald, has multiple warrants out for his arrest around the world. New Zealand police want him for offences from 2009, including the alleged indecent assaults of children in Hamilton and Auckland, and a Passport Act charge. That charge alleges he used Smith's passport to flee New Zealand.
The two men were once close friends - they spent time together at the Auckland retirement village where they both lived.
But Robinson was not well-liked: "There were 70-odd residents and none of the women liked him," Smith said. "Looking back on what he was, the women must have been picking up the vibes."
One woman resident told the Star-Times: "He told me he worked for the navy but he was a conman . . . none of [his stories] were true."
He was never visited by friends or family. His mail and junkmail would stack up in the shed.
Another neighbour, Don, said: "He called himself Captain Robinson - he reckoned he was a qualified captain for seagoing vessels. He told me he was going to take a vessel down to Tauranga and then sail to Fiji. And then he left, he left a whole lot of gear behind that had to get sold on his behalf."
"I was picking up his stuff and that's how I know he was using two different names because he was getting all these letters from social welfare and the power board . . . I thought, ‘What are you up to?' "
Smith had no idea his passport was missing until police knocked on his door. After asking if he knew Robinson and where he was, they told him they had been looking for the paedophile for three years.
They then asked to see Smith's passport. "I said it was in the drawer. I open the drawer, and it's not there."
Police told him his passport was found in Portugal and that Robinson had used it.
This month Robinson was arrested in Malta, and is being extradited to Britain to serve a sentence for abusing two girls there. British police also want to speak to him about a paedophile ring possibly operating in the Algarve in Portugal when 3-year-old Madeleine vanished from that area in 2007.
It is not known whether Robinson was in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's abduction, but he returned there in 2009, before being deported to Australia the following year to face charges of raping an 8-year-old girl.
Smith said he knows, with hindsight, how Robinson got his passport, which was brand new from the Department of Internal Affairs.
"I showed it to him and he said, ‘Oh, we're alike, aren't we?'
"I said, ‘No, not really.'
"I had to go to the toilet then, so I put it back where it was and he must have seen it."
Robinson had seemed like a regular person, whom Smith said he trusted. "Of course I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed because he's turned out to be the person he is - two-faced, a dark horse. He was an expert crim."
He said he had been entirely unaware of Robinson's criminal past. "It was a shock."
Robinson has reportedly travelled on stolen passports regularly.
www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10663829/Madeleine-McCann-linked-paedophile-fled-on-my-passport
What an interesting comment.
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This will probably get removed, but there is evidence he is neither Robinson or MacDonald either.
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This will probably get removed, but there is evidence he is neither Robinson or MacDonald either.
No, it won't be removed as it is a very valid point.
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No, it won't be removed as it is a very valid point.
Interesting, even.
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So how can this man have anything to do with the disappearance of the child McCann? He wasnt even in Portugal in 2007.
I mean not unless he could transport himself in a Tardis.
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This will probably get removed, but there is evidence he is neither Robinson or MacDonald either.
The man picked up in Gozo in a little place called Sannat is neither Roderick Robinson nor Roderick MacDomald ?
So seems they have exradited another, as yet unamed man?
How very interesting.
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This will probably get removed, but there is evidence he is neither Robinson or MacDonald either.
Where?
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He is perhaps Charles Calthorpe?
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I have no idea who he really is, but using Genes Reunited records & F/B I can say with a large degree of certainty he's neither MacDonald, McDonald or Robinson.
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I have no idea who he really is, but using Genes Reunited records & F/B I can say with a large degree of certainty he's neither MacDonald, McDonald or Robinson.
Lost track of this...who are we talking about?
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Lost track of this...who are we talking about?
The arrested paedophile.
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You mean he might have been arrested under false pretences - in that he's not who he says he is? Cunning defence
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You mean he might have been arrested under false pretences - in that he's not who he says he is? Cunning defence
He can't change his prints or DNA, but you can see from the article above that he fled to Portugal using Rex Smith's passport. Roderick MacDonald, born 1938 in Aldershot, is alive & kicking in California and not the paedophile in the news. There was no Roderick Robinson or McDonald born 1938 in Aldershot.
Question is - how did this little matter escape the attention of the UK police?
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He can't change his prints or DNA, but you can see from the article above that he fled to Portugal using Rex Smith's passport. Roderick MacDonald, born 1938 in Aldershot, is alive & kicking in California and not the paedophile in the news. There was no Roderick Robinson or McDonald born 1938 in Aldershot.
Question is - how did this little matter escape the attention of the UK police?
Either you are wrong or the cops are wrong.
Watch this space.
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He can't change his prints or DNA, but you can see from the article above that he fled to Portugal using Rex Smith's passport. Roderick MacDonald, born 1938 in Aldershot, is alive & kicking in California and not the paedophile in the news. There was no Roderick Robinson or McDonald born 1938 in Aldershot.
Question is - how did this little matter escape the attention of the UK police?
Perhaps it suits them to have this guy publicly identified, atm, as Roderick Robinson, aka MacDonald ?
Maybe we shall learn exactly who he is later?
Very well sluethed btw. Misty.
Btw, I was abroad when the news came out about RR and my access to computers was very limited, but I swear that I read in some article that SY now had the DNA of their main suspect.
Did anyone else see this?
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He can't change his prints or DNA, but you can see from the article above that he fled to Portugal using Rex Smith's passport. Roderick MacDonald, born 1938 in Aldershot, is alive & kicking in California and not the paedophile in the news. There was no Roderick Robinson or McDonald born 1938 in Aldershot.
Question is - how did this little matter escape the attention of the UK police?
Mind you he looks good for his age...76, perhaps he was born a bit later. Either way he had nothing to do with the McCann child he wasnt even in Portugal in 2007.
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Mind you he looks good for his age...76, perhaps he was born a bit later. Either way he had nothing to do with the McCann child he wasnt even in Portugal in 2007.
Well certainly not according to Mr Gamble
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He can't change his prints or DNA, but you can see from the article above that he fled to Portugal using Rex Smith's passport. Roderick MacDonald, born 1938 in Aldershot, is alive & kicking in California and not the paedophile in the news. There was no Roderick Robinson or McDonald born 1938 in Aldershot.
Question is - how did this little matter escape the attention of the UK police?
You mean apart from the Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot in September 1938 to a woman whose maiden name was Kiomall? Aldershot registration district volume 2c page 315
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Well certainly not according to Mr Gamble
Read Joana Morais page
Several questions come to mind, the most obvious being, was Roderick Robinson in the Algarve in May 2007 after being on the run for a decade or more, depending on the publication?
The surprising answer is a clear “NO” and it can be substantiated by a credible and official source, the 2009-2010 Annual Review of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) or in a press release by the same Entity published on the 8th June 2010.
The transcription below (page 29) is quite clear in establishing that Mr Roderick Robinson was NOT in the Algarve in 2007:
“A 72 year-old British man, Roderick Robinson, arrived in Australia on Sunday 6 June 2010 following his extradition from Portugal. He had been on the run since 2001 for alleged sexual offences against a child in Australia. He was tracked down and arrested in Portugal as a direct result of the activities of CEOP’s Overseas Tracker Team.
Robinson was first arrested in 2001 in Australia for the alleged assault of a young girl and was bailed pending court hearings. He failed to appear to answer the charges in 2001.
Fleeing Australia, he entered New Zealand where he was arrested for child sexual offences allegedly committed there. He was granted bail with the requirement he surrender his passport.
In November 2009 using a stolen passport, Robinson left New Zealand bound for the UK. Piecing together intelligence on his transient movements in the UK, CEOP investigators worked with local police and the UK Borders Agency and located him in Portugal.
The Overseas Tracker Team disseminated intelligence on Robinson to Portugal, via INTERPOL, to advise them of the threat he posed to children in their country.
In response to Australia’s request for Robinson’s urgent provisional arrest, Portuguese police arrested Robinson in March 2010 and he was extradited to New South Wales, Australia to face justice.”
According to CEOP he left Australia to New Zealand and was there until 2009 where he stole a passport.
He went to Portugal and was finally arrested on March 2010. So he was never in Portugal in 2007.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/10/spin-and-manipulation-round-up-usual.html
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You mean apart from the Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot in September 1938 to a woman whose maiden name was Kiomall? Aldershot registration district volume 2c page 315
Read my post again.
Then check the marriage records & see who he married. I'm sure you can work from there, and then look on F/B.
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Read my post again.
Then check the marriage records & see who he married. I'm sure you can work from there, and then look on F/B.
Your post says there was no RM born in Aldershot in 1938 does it not? Well there was!
I am not on face book as it is inhabited by nutters and trolls 8(>((
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Read my post again.
Then check the marriage records & see who he married. I'm sure you can work from there, and then look on F/B.
...and?
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Does anyone know anything about the white haired man Stephen Carpenter talked about in his rogatory interview?
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Your post says there was no RM born in Aldershot in 1938 does it not? Well there was!
I am not on face book as it is inhabited by nutters and trolls 8(>((
No reply to this as yet from misty69 ?
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It seems to me that where people have more than one name, are using other peoples passports and using 'borrowed' names, it must be very difficult to know exactly who the Police were dealing with in these Countries
He sounds a very slippery person.
Could it be a case of
"Step forward the real Roderick Robinson?"
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Who he is was or may have been is only relevant if we choose to believe Madeleine McCann was kidnapped by a paedophile ring with which the mystery man was connected.
As we have no evidence the child was kidnapped the rest is pure speculation.
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Who he is was or may have been is only relevant if we choose to believe Madeleine McCann was kidnapped by a paedophile ring with which the mystery man was connected.
As we have no evidence the child was kidnapped the rest is pure speculation.
Plenty of pointers, Alice.
Perhaps the strongest one now, is that SY seem to believe it
I am happy to trust them
I also have my own set of pointers which I am unable to share. Soz.
I believe Madeleine was abducted. I also think it likely that both Madeleine and Joana are still alive
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Plenty of pointers, Alice.
Perhaps the strongest one now, is that SY seem to believe it
I am happy to trust them
I also have my own set of pointers which I am unable to share. Soz.
I believe Madeleine was abducted. I also think it likely that both Madeleine and Joana are still alive
Do they really?. What is there apart from DCI Redwood being misquoted on this forum?
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Does anyone know anything about the white haired man Stephen Carpenter talked about in his rogatory interview?
According to that rog:
Provided some flashlights.
Had just purchased one of the multi-apartment blocks just north of block 5.
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Your post says there was no RM born in Aldershot in 1938 does it not? Well there was!
I am not on face book as it is inhabited by nutters and trolls 8(>((
It does NOT say that at all, Alice. Read it again& again. NO McDonald, NO Robinson 1938 Aldershot.
Roderick MACDONALD 1938 Aldershot, married a Kristina Birgit Todtenhaupt in Aldershot in 1969. Found him & his links on F/B with the Todtenhaupts - there are photos of him too, and he is defo not the paedophile.
PS - I actually know one of his contacts as she used to live across the road from me years ago. Small world.
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It does NOT say that at all, Alice. Read it again& again. NO McDonald, NO Robinson 1938 Aldershot.
Roderick MACDONALD 1938 Aldershot, married a Kristina Birgit Todtenhaupt in Aldershot in 1969. Found him & his links on F/B with the Todtenhaupts - there are photos of him too, and he is defo not the paedophile.
PS - I actually know one of his contacts as she used to live across the road from me years ago. Small world.
As the spelling of his name in the press seems to be a moveable feast the presence or otherwise of an "a" would not be much to hang an argument on. Nonetheless Mr MacDonald(McDonald) is reported to have said his mother was Maltese (see earlier posts on this thread).
The Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot Sept. 1938 was born to a mother whose maiden name was Kiomall which name is Maltese in origin.
Coincidence?
I don't dispute a Roderick MacDonald married a Kristina-Birgit Todtenhaupt but unless you have copies of the birth and marriage certificates to compare his fathers names and professions you cannot be certain it is the same person. A common failing with amateur genealogists.
Of course we could have a nice conspiracy theory that some nasty person has nicked someone elses identity and is familiar with their life history.
All very interesting but probably little to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance .
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According to that rog:
Provided some flashlights.
Had just purchased one of the multi-apartment blocks just north of block 5.
Yes ... but there were concerns expressed about him both in the previous statement referred to and in the rogatory statement.
I wondered if he had been traced and eliminated from the enquiry.
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SC: Yes, because Raj in particular said that he felt there was something strange and that he was not certain, and the fact of where they were staying, the fact that the back of the apartment block was opposite Kate and Gerry's apartment, humm...and the fact that they even discussed the purchase price and how much he had paid, but the following morning there was no sign, even knocking on all the doors of the apartments that were occupied and those that were empty, we did not find anyone, he said, and that is why we thought it was strange that someone who had been available and collaborated in the searches and who lived in the area, was not found the following morning, because as you know, we were not contactable.
DCF: No sign of him and you remember that you were worried about this man who was described as being fifty years of age with grey hair.
SC:Ah ha.
DCF: And it seemed strange that a person who helped so much on the previous night disappeared the following morning.
SC: Yes, I suppose there was something that even the local Portuguese would be incapable of identifying (inaudible) or recognising for the description of a poster especially.
DCF: Who it was.
SC: Hummm.. then it was just a question of asking who he might be, where he was and to be able to eliminate him from the list of suspects, so that he would be at least one less person to worry about.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
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As the spelling of his name in the press seems to be a moveable feast the presence or otherwise of an "a" would not be much to hang an argument on. Nonetheless Mr MacDonald(McDonald) is reported to have said his mother was Maltese (see earlier posts on this thread).
The Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot Sept. 1938 was born to a mother whose maiden name was Kiomall which name is Maltese in origin.
Coincidence?
I don't dispute a Roderick MacDonald married a Kristina-Birgit Todtenhaupt but unless you have copies of the birth and marriage certificates to compare his fathers names and professions you cannot be certain it is the same person. A common failing with amateur genealogists.
Of course we could have a nice conspiracy theory that some nasty person has nicked someone elses identity and is familiar with their life history.
All very interesting but probably little to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance .
Oooo, Alice, I think that you are wrong. I think that SY are playing a blinder. I think this man, whatever his name is, is VERY interesting
Now a question, can anyone answer it please?.
1) Was it in the press that SY now have the DNA of their main suspect?
There was another question, but damn it, I have forgotten it. 8**8:/: Time for bed
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As the spelling of his name in the press seems to be a moveable feast the presence or otherwise of an "a" would not be much to hang an argument on. Nonetheless Mr MacDonald(McDonald) is reported to have said his mother was Maltese (see earlier posts on this thread).
The Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot Sept. 1938 was born to a mother whose maiden name was Kiomall which name is Maltese in origin.
Coincidence?
I don't dispute a Roderick MacDonald married a Kristina-Birgit Todtenhaupt but unless you have copies of the birth and marriage certificates to compare his fathers names and professions you cannot be certain it is the same person. A common failing with amateur genealogists.
Of course we could have a nice conspiracy theory that some nasty person has nicked someone elses identity and is familiar with their life history.
All very interesting but probably little to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance .
You steal someone's identity - you do a little research. A fact on the internet - MacDonald had a mother with a Maltese name- you drop it into conversation. The real MacDonald is 5000 miles from the UK.
The man was bound for the UK on a stolen passport. He had unopened mail in NZ in two different names. Perhaps he is of interest because his boat was in Lagos marina around the time Madeleine went missing and then departed. Who knows? SY want him for something a little more than a 5 minute abuse of 2 girls.
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Yes ... but there were concerns expressed about him both in the previous statement referred to and in the rogatory statement.
I wondered if he had been traced and eliminated from the enquiry.
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The only reason those witnesses seem to give for suspecting him is that he had just bought a block but did not live there. That seems obvious to me, someone who buys a whole apartment block is unlikely live in it either before of after, but is likely to live in a house somewhere else. So their suspicion is illogical. BTW he is probably who kindly provided the flashlight seen in fathers hand in a very early appeal?
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You steal someone's identity - you do a little research. A fact on the internet - MacDonald had a mother with a Maltese name- you drop it into conversation. The real MacDonald is 5000 miles from the UK.
The man was bound for the UK on a stolen passport. He had unopened mail in NZ in two different names. Perhaps he is of interest because his boat was in Lagos marina around the time Madeleine went missing and then departed. Who knows? SY want him for something a little more than a 5 minute abuse of 2 girls.
8@??)(
Spot on misty.
Having him incarcerated in Malta (so that he couldn't escape?) then bringing him all the way back to Blighty.
SY are on to something big, imho
Oh, I have thought of that second question, which eluded me.
Was it somewhere in the press that he said he should have said something [to the police] before?
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The reason for detaining him was absolutely nothing to do with the PDL case. Someone once again has been feeding the UK press fictional ideas (just as they did with the swiss man, and just as he did with the man who was dying in germany).
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-paedophile-jet-setted-around-4445150
*snip*
Today DCI Andy Redwood hinted his detectives will attempt to interview McDonald.
After months of ’No Comments’ to reporters trailing him during his regular trips to Portugal, Mr Redwood said when asked if he wanted to question McDonald as he left the Coimbra forensics HQ: “Not today.”
When MacDonald was arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the Maltese island of Gozo on Monday he told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
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The only reason those witnesses seem to give for suspecting him is that he had just bought a block but did not live there. That seems obvious to me, someone who buys a whole apartment block is unlikely live in it either before of after, but is likely to live in a house somewhere else. So their suspicion is illogical. BTW he is probably who kindly provided the flashlight seen in fathers hand in a very early appeal?
Stephen Carpenter was there and he was worried about this man's disappearance from the scene … if you read his statement you will see that as a direct result of his concerns regarding this man he insisted that as many properties as could be accessed were searched and enlisted assistance to do so.
This was because they overlooked the McCann apartment.
He also makes reference to a garage used by an employee of MW who he referred to as the laundryman where there was a bed and incongruously, children’s toys.
He did not mention borrowing a flashlight from the white haired man, so that is uncharacteristic supposition from you … but since when did lending a flashlight exonerate the lender from anything?
There is much in his statement which warranted further investigation, including the laundry van he mentioned, I wondered what if anything had been checked out; but particularly if the white haired man had been identified and eliminated.
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Stephen Carpenter was there and he was worried about this man's disappearance from the scene … if you read his statement you will see that as a direct result of his concerns regarding this man he insisted that as many properties as could be accessed were searched and enlisted assistance to do so.
This was because they overlooked the McCann apartment.
He also makes reference to a garage used by an employee of MW who he referred to as the laundryman where there was a bed and incongruously, children’s toys.
He did not mention borrowing a flashlight from the white haired man, so that is uncharacteristic supposition from you … but since when did lending a flashlight exonerate the lender from anything?
There is much in his statement which warranted further investigation, including the laundry van he mentioned, I wondered what if anything had been checked out; but particularly if the white haired man had been identified and eliminated.
SC does not say the garage was used by an "employee of MW", and BTW there is a laundry in town which is nothing to do with MW.
The other man (grey) provided some flashlights. Therefore it seems likely that he provided the flashlight we see the father holding turned on in the very early TV appeal. (BTW we have a statement from an OC employee who was asked to provide flashlights could not because he had none).
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You steal someone's identity - you do a little research. A fact on the internet - MacDonald had a mother with a Maltese name- you drop it into conversation. The real MacDonald is 5000 miles from the UK.
The man was bound for the UK on a stolen passport. He had unopened mail in NZ in two different names. Perhaps he is of interest because his boat was in Lagos marina around the time Madeleine went missing and then departed. Who knows? SY want him for something a little more than a 5 minute abuse of 2 girls.
It was an indian name that his mother had. but many of that name lived in Malta and then a lot emigrated to Canada etc.
A Macdonald who was in the 2nd wrld war had 3 sons, one of which was adopted, so possibly?
Rod (whatever) was born 1st july 1938 according to his passport. The sept date could be christening or cross over.
This macdonald... fought in the eastern war and a lot were stationed in Malta. The Maltese took a hammering poor people.
Anyway, if he was the son of a married Macdonald, I don't think Rod could know that his adoptive Dad was his real Dad and he thought his mothers name was macdonald because it is beside her maiden name, if he did know, that was the case why did he tell some neighbours that he was adopted by Robinsons and where did the name robinson come from.......There is a fair chance that he has more names and passports used apart from the one to NZ and UK. We shall have to wait and see!! He doesn't look like a 76 yr old.
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Stephen Carpenter was there and he was worried about this man's disappearance from the scene … if you read his statement you will see that as a direct result of his concerns regarding this man he insisted that as many properties as could be accessed were searched and enlisted assistance to do so.
This was because they overlooked the McCann apartment.
He also makes reference to a garage used by an employee of MW who he referred to as the laundryman where there was a bed and incongruously, children’s toys.
He did not mention borrowing a flashlight from the white haired man, so that is uncharacteristic supposition from you … but since when did lending a flashlight exonerate the lender from anything?
There is much in his statement which warranted further investigation, including the laundry van he mentioned, I wondered what if anything had been checked out; but particularly if the white haired man had been identified and eliminated.
(George) Robin Crosland. He was there that night, by the pool & apartment.
Piccy is on this link http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/business-as-usual-in-praia-da-luz/25271
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The reason for detaining him was absolutely nothing to do with the PDL case. Someone once again has been feeding the UK press fictional ideas (just as they did with the swiss man, and just as he did with the man who was dying in germany).
AGREED as he was never in PDL.
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It was an indian name that his mother had. but many of that name lived in Malta and then a lot emigrated to Canada etc.
A Macdonald who was in the 2nd wrld war had 3 sons, one of which was adopted, so possibly?
Rod (whatever) was born 1st july 1938 according to his passport. The sept date could be christening or cross over.
This macdonald... fought in the eastern war and a lot were stationed in Malta. The Maltese took a hammering poor people.
Anyway, if he was the son of a married Macdonald, I don't think Rod could know that his adoptive Dad was his real Dad and he thought his mothers name was macdonald because it is beside her maiden name, if he did know, that was the case why did he tell some neighbours that he was adopted by Robinsons and where did the name robinson come from.......There is a fair chance that he has more names and passports used apart from the one to NZ and UK. We shall have to wait and see!! He doesn't look like a 76 yr old.
Record dates are usually down to the Quarter I.e. July birth would be down as September.
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The reason for detaining him was absolutely nothing to do with the PDL case. Someone once again has been feeding the UK press fictional ideas (just as they did with the swiss man, and just as he did with the man who was dying in germany).
Oh really? You seem very sure. Your reasoning please.
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(George) Robin Crosland. He was there that night, by the pool & apartment.
Piccy is on this link http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/business-as-usual-in-praia-da-luz/25271
Thanks for that link, Misty.
But I'm still not clear from SC's statement exactly who the grey haired man was ... he seemed to be associated with the dreadlocks person.
Robin Crossland doesn’t mention being involved in searches on the 3rd ... I wonder if he was the person mentioned who facilitated entry to empty flats … but I found it interesting that a year after the event he was still promoting PDL as a safe family friendly holiday venue.
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So after 26 years, having confronted a number of recessions, booms, and a controversy of global significance, what does Robin think of Praia da Luz?
“Luz is a beautiful, family-friendly, ideal spot for all generations, all seasons of the year.”
Does he think Praia da Luz is safe?
“Absolutely”, he replies without hesitation.
“It is a small, safe community where everybody knows everyone else and their business. This in a way helps to prevent crime. You cannot get away with things like you do in larger resorts”, he argues.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/business-as-usual-in-praia-da-luz/25271
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Nobody seems to have been attacked or mislaid since May 2007, so perhaps PDL is safe place for the family - provided you take reasonable care.
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I would have thought that crime of any kind in Praia Da Luz is now miles short of zero. But I said that seven years ago.
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SC does not say the garage was used by an "employee of MW", and BTW there is a laundry in town which is nothing to do with MW.
The other man (grey) provided some flashlights. Therefore it seems likely that he provided the flashlight we see the father holding turned on in the very early TV appeal. (BTW we have a statement from an OC employee who was asked to provide flashlights could not because he had none).
I think it is clear that because of his distraction regarding the white haired man SC felt that in retrospect he had overlooked the significance of the toys he had seen in the garage shown to them by its Portuguese owner … and was anxious to amend his statement to that effect.
He was also concerned to emphasise other points made in his original statement.
Whether the laundryman was an employee of Mark Warner or another laundry is neither here nor there … it is SC recollection of the location of the van and the circumstances of the garage which are of note.
>>snip<<
SC: Humm... this garage belonged to a Portuguese man, the man from the laundry.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe the Portuguese man, the laundry man to me, yes'
SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this at the beginning, which (inaudible)' I think that afterwards, and afterwards coincides with the fact that he was the man from the laundry and of the van parked there, because as i have already explained, we were here in a small street here above which linked to the main road and to everything beside here on top, the rest was all pathways and I remember that on two or three occasions I thought...this is a dead end road, the van was parked there, I never saw anyone and more than once assumed that it would be cleaning staff and only this thought coincided with the presence of the man from the laundry, and if there were any reply to be made in relation to the link between the van parked there and the laundry man.
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DCF: And then the Mark Warner staff, obviously it was after your return when this was still being investigated, the staff had photos of Madeleine that the man handed to an individual called C**** and his girlfriend to be distributed.
SC: Ah ah, yes.
DCF: Its in the part where it mentions that there was a van, and says that it was parked at the back of Robert Murat'' garden, and that you never saw anyone use the van, but you remember that it had something to do with the cleaning staff.
SC: Yes, to transport the bedlinen and towels.
DCF: Yes. It says here that you never saw anyone drive it, you just know that you saw it parked, did you ever notice that it was missing or do you remember always seeing it there'
SC:Humm, no...no it was not always there, I saw it about two or three times.
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So it would certainly appear that Mr Carpenter associated the Portuguese laundryman and the white van with MW.
I will be happy to bow to superior knowledge if anyone knows better ... but at the moment that is my reading of it.
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Nobody seems to have been attacked or mislaid since May 2007, so perhaps PDL is safe place for the family - provided you take reasonable care.
How many confirmed * attacks or mislayings were there before May 2007 in PdL**?
* as in confirmed by the authorities not as reported by some gash hand churnalist.
** as in actually in PdL rather than some place about 30km away.
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I think we all know the answer to that ?{)(**
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Record dates are usually down to the Quarter I.e. July birth would be down as September.
Thank you Starti.
I knew they were recorded qtrly, but somehow thought that someone said Born Sept. Probably just my misunderstanding
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AGREED as he was never in PDL.
Just because he wasn't there, doesn't mean he didn't do it! He has been targeted and found guilty- like those other dead people who 'dun it'.
I think you will find that no matter where in the world you go, where children play 'safely' there is a predatory paedophile. Waiting...
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Just because he wasn't there, doesn't mean he didn't do it! He has been targeted and found guilty- like those other dead people who 'dun it'.
I think you will find that no matter where in the world you go, where children play 'safely' there is a predatory paedophile. Waiting...
Sadly a lot of the predatory pedophiles are closer then people think, a lot of family and friends have pedophiles sadly, then there is the doctors, dentists, candlestick makers, judges, celebrities the list is endless it is a growing sickness in this world right now sadly.
My own daughter was targeted by one of my friends partners.....when she was 12,and I too was a target about the same age slightly younger with a friend of my fathers (which I believe i have mentioned before on here). My grandson was coerced and taken to bed at the age of 14 and his friend who is 12 was included and this was by my daughters best friend who is 27. She never got done for that....it never went to court. Was it because they were boys?
They are becoming like rats there is one about every 10 feet sadly. BUT they dont need to snatch young children out of beds, they have their own methods of grooming...
660 arrested......
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/16/660-suspected-paedophiles-arrested-uk
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Sadly a lot of the predatory pedophiles are closer then people think, a lot of family and friends have pedophiles sadly, then there is the doctors, dentists, candlestick makers, judges, celebrities the list is endless it is a growing sickness in this world right now sadly.
My own daughter was targeted by one of my friends partners.....when she was 12,and I too was a target about the same age slightly younger with a friend of my fathers (which I believe i have mentioned before on here). My grandson was coerced and taken to bed at the age of 14 and his friend who is 12 was included and this was by my daughters best friend who is 27. She never got done for that....it never went to court. Was it because they were boys?
They are becoming like rats there is one about every 10 feet sadly. BUT they dont need to snatch young children out of beds, they have their own methods of grooming...
660 arrested......
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/16/660-suspected-paedophiles-arrested-uk
A sensitive area...
I think your post does point out that paedophile is a very broad brush. The people you talk about are those whose illegal interest lies in children on the border of adulthood i.e. post puberty. I am not an expert but would assume that they are very different from those whose sick interest surrounds babies and toddlers and young children.
I suppose what I am saying is are the two types very separate? If so, then pursuing the wrong type may not help much.
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A sensitive area...
I think your post does point out that paedophile is a very broad brush. The people you talk about are those whose illegal interest lies in children on the border of adulthood i.e. post puberty. I am not an expert but would assume that they are very different from those whose sick interest surrounds babies and toddlers and young children.
I suppose what I am saying is are the two types very separate? If so, then pursuing the wrong type may not help much.
I cannot say I had ever considered delineation of types. I would postulate they all have to be lumped together in one barrel in this this instance otherwise there may be limitations in how the argument may be put forward and we can't have that can we?
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I cannot say I had ever considered delineation of types. I would postulate they all have to be lumped together in one barrel in this this instance otherwise there may be limitations in how the argument may be put forward and we can't have that can we?
It's when you look at the rap sheets...
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It's when you look at the rap sheets...
I don't doubt that Slarti. But the more the "sample" is reduced the more difficult to uphold the idea of abduction by a specific type of paedophile. It works better with a generic paedophile in a rough area of say 4500 km2( the Algarve) with loads of mates, spare keys and fast cars rather than a specific type of bloke (or woman come to that) in 22 km2 (PdL).
Me I would operate between Santa Luzia and Vila Real de Santo Antonio....straight over the bridge into Spain in no time flat.
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It is from the Star ... but it will be interesting to see if it is picked up elsewhere ... if true it would seem that ... McDonald/Robertson's movements were unknown for quite some time.
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Brit detectives want to quiz him about his movements at the time Madeleine disappeared.
They believe the sex beast, who travelled the world on stolen and forged passports, may have information about a paedophile gang operating in southern Portugal at the time.
A source said: “Though most of his movements can be mapped there is a gap during which he was effectively off-radar.
“He left Australia in 2001 while on bail for sex offences and reappeared in New Zealand in 2009 where he was arrested for three more assaults on girls.
“But where he was in between is not clear.
“This is the period in which Madeleine McCann disappeared. The spate of sexual offences committed against children in the Algarve stopped around the time Macdonald re-emerged in New Zealand.”
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/408051/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Roderick-Macdonald-abuse-girls-world
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I hope one of his hairs are in that bedroom!! I wonder if people will troll him for being a paedo- and who will report that to the police?
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10690649/Kiwis-role-in-arrest-of-Maddy-suspect
A New Zealand woman raised the alarm about a British paedophile linked to the Madeleine McCann kidnapping case.
The manager of a council-owned holiday park cornered paedophile Roderick Robinson, also known as Roderick Macdonald, after he abused two girls at the park, getting the children to safety and calling police.
Police charged him but before he could face court, he skipped the country on a New Zealand passport stolen from a friend. Robinson turned up in Portugal.
He was reportedly in Algarve when McCann, then 3, went missing in 2007, setting off an international search to find her.
Over the past three weeks, the Sunday Star-Times has pieced together the jigsaw of the elusive Robinson's time in New Zealand, before his return to Portugal made him a suspect in the paedophile ring believed to be behind McCann's disappearance.
Auckland Council said Robinson, 76, was temporarily living at one of its parks in 2009 when he indecently assaulted a girl.
He had groomed two girls and invited them into his converted van where a council spokesman confirmed an indecent act allegedly took place.
The girls fled the van and told another resident at the park, who alerted the park manager, Karen Brownlie.
She "took immediate action to ensure the girls' safety as soon as she was made aware of the incident," said the council's parks manager Ian Maxwell.
Brownlie confronted Robinson with one of the girl's mothers and "immediately contacted police". Robinson was arrested and charged with doing an indecent act.
Auckland Council's chief operating officer Dean Kimpton said Brownlie acted "brilliantly" and it was "a horrific situation for any family to find themselves in".
"We are grateful for the quick response of Karen Brownlie whose actions highlighted her experience and professionalism."
Police advised Brownlie that the manner in which she removed the children from the situation was extremely helpful in their preparation of a prosecution.
"According to police it was a textbook case of how you should deal with a matter like that," said council spokesman Mark Hanson.
It was an "isolated incident", Hanson added.
"The safety and security of the guests is paramount."
The holiday park incident prompted an internal review of how the council operates its parks.
The parks allow people to stay for up to 50 days. They have a mixture of accommodation including self contained units and sites for tents and caravans and Robinson had been staying at the grounds for six weeks in a converted van until his arrest.
"There was a debrief and an internal review and there was a review of the 50 day rule and the outcome was that police commended the manager," Hanson said.
Since Robinson has skipped the country, the prospects of him ever appearing before a New Zealand court are low.
Robinson was caught in Malta earlier this month after also fleeing child sex abuse charges in Brighton, England.
He is being extradited back there by Sussex police, and British police said he would also be questioned about a paedophile ring operating in the Algarve around the time of McCann's disappearance in 2007.
- Sunday Star Times
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Speculation (in bold) or are the Kiwi press not subject to the same restrictions as the UK's?
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The algarve is quite big. If this man was in the algarve but not in PDL, then it is absolutely impossible he was involved. Is there any evidence this man was in PDL May 2007?
Here's a clue, the answer begins with N.
Therefore, nasty as he may be, he is just another mischellian very skilled thought manipulation PR diversion, there is absolutely no evidence he has actually ever been in PDL, none (full stop as my friend in chicago says).
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The algarve is quite big. If this man was in the algarve but not in PDL, then it is absolutely impossible he was involved. Is there any evidence this man was in PDL May 2007?
Here's a clue, the answer begins with N.
Therefore, nasty as he may be, he is just another mischellian very skilled thought manipulation PR diversion, there is absolutely no evidence he has actually ever been in PDL, none (full stop as my friend in chicago says).
Which of our Foreign Office do you suppose issued Roderick Robinson's passport in 2009, as displayed in the press?
Bearing in mind it was Roderick MacDonald who was born in Aldershot in 1938 & there is no record of any adoption changing his name to Robinson (there is no Roderick William ANYONE born in 1938), how would he have been able to renew a passport in the name of Robinson when he was on Interpol's list?
This guy is not who he says he is, the passport must be a fake - and anyone who needs several stolen passports & has a boat can pretty much come & go as they please.
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Which of our Foreign Office do you suppose issued Roderick Robinson's passport in 2009, as displayed in the press?
Bearing in mind it was Roderick MacDonald who was born in Aldershot in 1938 & there is no record of any adoption changing his name to Robinson (there is no Roderick William ANYONE born in 1938), how would he have been able to renew a passport in the name of Robinson when he was on Interpol's list?
This guy is not who he says he is, the passport must be a fake - and anyone who needs several stolen passports & has a boat can pretty much come & go as they please.
I don’t think they have extradited this man without having very sound reason for doing so … the police are working with much more information than is in the public domain and I think the possession of false passports marks this man out as more than a run of the mill pervert.
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The algarve is quite big. If this man was in the algarve but not in PDL, then it is absolutely impossible he was involved. Is there any evidence this man was in PDL May 2007?
Here's a clue, the answer begins with N.
Therefore, nasty as he may be, he is just another mischellian very skilled thought manipulation PR diversion, there is absolutely no evidence he has actually ever been in PDL, none (full stop as my friend in chicago says).
I posted something similar having been there several times. 4500 km2 standing population of 500,000 transient population about a further million. But no I was told on here the Algarve is a village where everyone knows everyone else.
I am glad I was corrected by the learned on this site and resultant from that am asking for the return of several air fares and hotel bills as where I went was clearly not the Algarve based on the expert opinions on here.
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I don’t think they have extradited this man without having very sound reason for doing so … the police are working with much more information than is in the public domain and I think the possession of false passports marks this man out as more than a run of the mill pervert.
I thought he was serving a prison sentence in Malta and hasn't been extradited anywhere
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I thought he was serving a prison sentence in Malta and hasn't been extradited anywhere
Perhaps to be more precise ... and in the realisation there would be sure to be some nit picking ... I should have mentioned the European Arrest Warrant and the request for extradition to which the Maltese authorities have acceded.
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I thought he was serving a prison sentence in Malta and hasn't been extradited anywhere
Hi Jassi
I thought that he had been taken into jail to make sure that he didn't flee before the actual extradition took place. They said that he gave himself up willingly, but if he had a history of fleeing then I guess a temporary jail senrence was the only way to make sure they had him "in the bag"
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Hi Jassi
I thought that he had been taken into jail to make sure that he didn't flee before the actual extradition took place. They said that he gave himself up willingly, but if he had a history of fleeing then I guess a temporary jail senrence was the only way to make sure they had him "in the bag"
What charges could have or would have been laid against him to facilitate a "temporary jail senrence" (sic) ?
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What charges could have or would have been laid against him to facilitate a "temporary jail sentence?
I have no idea Tito. Feel sure that I read what it was but can no longer remember., sorry
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What charges could have or would have been laid against him to facilitate a "temporary jail sentence?
http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/court_and_police/44936/76yearold_convicted_paedophile_to_be_extradited_to_uk#.VFltKmPvZKM
*snip*
When asked by Magistrate Audrey Demicoli whether he consented to be surrendered to the UK, McDonald declared that he did. He also waived his right to delay extradition to the UK.
The magistrate warned McDonald that this consent was irrevocable but he repeated his consent. The court committed him to custody pending his extradition.
Inspector Dr. Mario Cuschieri prosecuted. Dr. Renzo Porsella Flores was legal aid.
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Perhaps the guy feels he will be safer in a UK jail! Who knows what he is running away from.
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http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/court_and_police/44936/76yearold_convicted_paedophile_to_be_extradited_to_uk#.VFltKmPvZKM
*snip*
When asked by Magistrate Audrey Demicoli whether he consented to be surrendered to the UK, McDonald declared that he did. He also waived his right to delay extradition to the UK.
The magistrate warned McDonald that this consent was irrevocable but he repeated his consent. The court committed him to custody pending his extradition.
Inspector Dr. Mario Cuschieri prosecuted. Dr. Renzo Porsella Flores was legal aid.
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Perhaps the guy feels he will be safer in a UK jail! Who knows what he is running away from.
Thank you, Misty
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Thank you, Misty
"Thank you" for what ?
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"Thank you" for what ?
Did you not notice?
Misty has kindly supplied the "reason" that Roderick was jailed / taken into custody temporarly
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Did you not notice?
Misty has kindly supplied the "reason" that Roderick was jailed / taken into custody temporarly
My pleasure, Sadie.
Seems TitoMuzzy isn't as intelligent as his namesakes.
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Did you not notice?
Misty has kindly supplied the "reason" that Roderick was jailed / taken into custody temporarly
I asked you a simple question ? Misty69's response was not an answer to that question !
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I asked you a simple question ? Misty69's response was not an answer to that question !
Yes it was as Misty has just confirmed
My pleasure, Sadie.
Seems TitoMuzzy isn't as intelligent as his namesakes.
Thanks again Misty
Nigh night all
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Night, Sadie.
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As the spelling of his name in the press seems to be a moveable feast the presence or otherwise of an "a" would not be much to hang an argument on. Nonetheless Mr MacDonald(McDonald) is reported to have said his mother was Maltese (see earlier posts on this thread).
The Roderick MacDonald born in Aldershot Sept. 1938 was born to a mother whose maiden name was Kiomall which name is Maltese in origin.
Coincidence?
I don't dispute a Roderick MacDonald married a Kristina-Birgit Todtenhaupt but unless you have copies of the birth and marriage certificates to compare his fathers names and professions you cannot be certain it is the same person. A common failing with amateur genealogists.
Of course we could have a nice conspiracy theory that some nasty person has nicked someone elses identity and is familiar with their life history.
All very interesting but probably little to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance .
The surname Kiomall is certainly unique to Malta and the Maltese and he claimed to have a Maltese mum.
What I don't understand however Alice is that the name Roderick McDonald is supposed to be the fake name and Roderick Robinson his birth name. Can anyone unravel this?
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The surname Kiomall is certainly unique to Malta and the Maltese and he claimed to have a Maltese mum.
What I don't understand however Alice is that the name Roderick McDonald is supposed to be the fake name and Roderick Robinson his birth name. Can anyone unravel this?
I doubt it really matters. His DNA won't have altered.
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Indeed it won't, but the question is, will it match with anything or will it just be another red herring?
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Indeed it won't, but the question is, will it match with anything or will it just be another red herring?
God forbid, but we will have to wait and see. But it will be fascinating to watch you all explain it away if it does match.
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Indeed it won't, but the question is, will it match with anything or will it just be another red herring?
Hmm.. time will tell. I have been trying to find out the name of the yacht he had while in Brighton Yacht Club but without much success. I did find a link to another paedophile who went missing from his yacht a few days ago which also was moored in Brighton Marina so I started thinking...
www.ukexpress.org/news/missing-len-king-was-jailed-for-three-years-in-1995-for-molesting-boy/
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Hmm.. time will tell. I have been trying to find out the name of the yacht he had while in Brighton Yacht Club but without much success. I did find a link to another paedophile who went missing from his yacht also from Brighton so I started thinking...
This is a good start. Thinking is good. Most of us McCann Supporters have done quite a lot of this. We didn't all just fall over into believing them.
I have no idea about this man, and I don't really have to worry about it. I am your average lazy McCann Supporter. I just rely on common bloody dog fat. I don't need chapter and verse.
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This is a good start. Thinking is good. Most of us McCann Supporters have done quite a lot of this. We didn't all just fall over into believing them.
I have no idea about this man, and I don't really have to worry about it. I am your average lazy McCann Supporter. I just rely on common bloody dog fat. I don't need chapter and verse.
Well, you said it @)(++(*
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The surname Kiomall is certainly unique to Malta and the Maltese and he claimed to have a Maltese mum.
What I don't understand however Alice is that the name Roderick McDonald is supposed to be the fake name and Roderick Robinson his birth name. Can anyone unravel this?
No! He said that he reverted to his original name and I think he said that he was adopted.
Roderick macdonald
Parents:-
Rosina Kiomal from Malta
And Roderick Macdonald from UK born -1916?
Married in Malta in 1936 under army law
Must have moved to married qrtrs in Aldershot
Children:-
Roderick Macdonald born 1/7/1938 in Aldershot (No w in his name)
David Macdonald born 1940 in aldershot
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Roderick Macdonald (snr) killed in action 1940?
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Rosina Kiomal died in 1940 in Aldershot aged 23yrs around the time that her second child was born.
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Where did Rodney end up?
Cant find a Rodney robinson in births UK 1938
Rodney macdonald passenger to Australia (metalworker) 1956
States his dob as 1/7/1934 probably had to be over 21 to sail alone or emigrate, if that’s what he done.
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Rod w robinson born 1938 died in 1962 in blackpool
Passage to Australia Rodney Macdonald.
Age 22 over 21 but 4 yrs older than our R Macdonald/Robinson …
No R robinson born 3rd qtr 1934
No R robinson born 1/7 1934,35,36,37.
No R Macdonald born at above dates, so another mystery
Roderick w Robinson born 1938 died 1962... no birthdate recorded……………….. so could be adopted R macdonald ???
There is no middle name W in this birth 1938 in Aldershot
But R W Robinson cant be this Rod who is still alive…. although could be stolen identity. He would have to get all certificates to check this out and find the real parentage to know he came from macdonald…..tricky!!!!!!!
Unless he was a friend or relative of this person or family and somehow acquired all his personal papers…… Probably wrong.
So who the hell is he?
His face is like so many of that age group, I wonder if they had a mugshot in Australia/newzealand or an old passport photo even?
I am checking out boats too
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Doesn't really matter who he is - is he involved in any way, or is it just hooha ?
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The surname Kiomall is certainly unique to Malta and the Maltese and he claimed to have a Maltese mum.
What I don't understand however Alice is that the name Roderick McDonald is supposed to be the fake name and Roderick Robinson his birth name. Can anyone unravel this?
I believe that the real Roderick MacDonald of Aldershot is the one now living in California. His F/B history shows he was in the Forces, although the dates don't seem to be quite right. It's possible they may have served together/ the paedophile stole documents from him in the past, as they are both well-travelled.
The story about Len King has been pulled, as it was from the DMail last night, not sure why.
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Well, you said it @)(++(*
Indeed, I did. Only Internet Defectives get carried away on a pile of irrelevant shite that ultimately leads nowhere.
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Doesn't really matter who he is - is he involved in any way, or is it just hooha ?
My own thoughts precisely. We might be getting somewhere. Or nowhere.
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Indeed, I did. Only Internet Defectives get carried away on a pile of irrelevant shite that ultimately leads nowhere.
But it does pass the time of day.
Because I do genealogy it frustrated me that why I could not find Robinson...............
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I believe that the real Roderick MacDonald of Aldershot is the one now living in California. His F/B history shows he was in the Forces, although the dates don't seem to be quite right. It's possible they may have served together/ the paedophile stole documents from him in the past, as they are both well-travelled.
The story about Len King has been pulled, as it was from the DMail last night, not sure why.
Found mention of it here; there is a poster who says he has carried out some research on him ... one wonders why.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?262013-UK-%e2%81%8d-Len-King-74-Brighton-09-November-2014
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The interest in Robinson may have been triggered following the questioning of Anthony Woodhouse, a paedophile now serving time after giving himself up in Lisbon following years on the run. He was in the Algarve in 2007 when Madeleine went missing, running cleaning company.
The reports in the press regarding the search for Robinson started around the same time.
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DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have interviewed a prisoner being held near Plymouth.
Officers visited HMP Channings Wood east of Ashburton to interview convicted paedophile child rapist Anthony Woodhouse, 68.
Woodhouse was on the run in Portugal for 10 years after he raped a 14-year-old girl in Hertfordshire in 1998.
He was jailed for 17 years in 2008 after giving himself up to the British embassy in Lisbon.
Detectives from Scotland Yard spent two hours speaking to Woodhouse in his cell at Channings Wood about a cleaning business he ran in the Algarve, close to where Madeleine was snatched, it has been reported.
Madeleine vanished while on holiday with her parents in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The investigation has been relaunched with police from Scotland Yard working alongside their Portuguese counterparts on a number of angles.
Read more: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-interview-convicted/story-21088834-detail/story.html#ixzz3IzK6Aakp
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The interest in Robinson may have been triggered following the questioning of Anthony Woodhouse, a paedophile now serving time after giving himself up in Lisbon following years on the run. He was in the Algarve in 2007 when Madeleine went missing, running cleaning company.
The reports in the press regarding the search for Robinson started around the same time.
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DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have interviewed a prisoner being held near Plymouth.
Officers visited HMP Channings Wood east of Ashburton to interview convicted paedophile child rapist Anthony Woodhouse, 68.
Woodhouse was on the run in Portugal for 10 years after he raped a 14-year-old girl in Hertfordshire in 1998.
He was jailed for 17 years in 2008 after giving himself up to the British embassy in Lisbon.
Detectives from Scotland Yard spent two hours speaking to Woodhouse in his cell at Channings Wood about a cleaning business he ran in the Algarve, close to where Madeleine was snatched, it has been reported.
Madeleine vanished while on holiday with her parents in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The investigation has been relaunched with police from Scotland Yard working alongside their Portuguese counterparts on a number of angles.
Read more: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-interview-convicted/story-21088834-detail/story.html#ixzz3IzK6Aakp
Well done, Misty.
There is indeed a lot going on with the SY investigation ... remember last year they were looking for information about a British cleaning firm? ... looks like they found it.
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The interest in Robinson may have been triggered following the questioning of Anthony Woodhouse, a paedophile now serving time after giving himself up in Lisbon following years on the run. He was in the Algarve in 2007 when Madeleine went missing, running cleaning company.
The reports in the press regarding the search for Robinson started around the same time.
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DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have interviewed a prisoner being held near Plymouth.
Officers visited HMP Channings Wood east of Ashburton to interview convicted paedophile child rapist Anthony Woodhouse, 68.
Woodhouse was on the run in Portugal for 10 years after he raped a 14-year-old girl in Hertfordshire in 1998.
He was jailed for 17 years in 2008 after giving himself up to the British embassy in Lisbon.
Detectives from Scotland Yard spent two hours speaking to Woodhouse in his cell at Channings Wood about a cleaning business he ran in the Algarve, close to where Madeleine was snatched, it has been reported.
Madeleine vanished while on holiday with her parents in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The investigation has been relaunched with police from Scotland Yard working alongside their Portuguese counterparts on a number of angles.
Read more: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-interview-convicted/story-21088834-detail/story.html#ixzz3IzK6Aakp
Thanks Misty, I'd never read that before.
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But it does pass the time of day.
Because I do genealogy it frustrated me that why I could not find Robinson...............
It passes the time of day for most of us. If only truth were to tell. But most of us try to be kind.
Robinson? Who is he? I don't have the patience to search. But I expect that Scotland Yard will. They will know by now exactly who he is. But well done for trying.
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The interest in Robinson may have been triggered following the questioning of Anthony Woodhouse, a paedophile now serving time after giving himself up in Lisbon following years on the run. He was in the Algarve in 2007 when Madeleine went missing, running cleaning company.
The reports in the press regarding the search for Robinson started around the same time.
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DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have interviewed a prisoner being held near Plymouth.
Officers visited HMP Channings Wood east of Ashburton to interview convicted paedophile child rapist Anthony Woodhouse, 68.
Woodhouse was on the run in Portugal for 10 years after he raped a 14-year-old girl in Hertfordshire in 1998.
He was jailed for 17 years in 2008 after giving himself up to the British embassy in Lisbon.
Detectives from Scotland Yard spent two hours speaking to Woodhouse in his cell at Channings Wood about a cleaning business he ran in the Algarve, close to where Madeleine was snatched, it has been reported.
Madeleine vanished while on holiday with her parents in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The investigation has been relaunched with police from Scotland Yard working alongside their Portuguese counterparts on a number of angles.
Read more: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-interview-convicted/story-21088834-detail/story.html#ixzz3IzK6Aakp
Thank you Misty
Do you think he informed the police of R Macdonald?
Woodhouse........ http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/05/31/anthony-woodhouse-kington/
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Thank you Misty
Do you think he informed the police of R Macdonald?
Woodhouse........ http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/05/31/anthony-woodhouse-kington/
I think the timing suggests Woodhouse may have supplied a few names to the Met, but whether or not that leads anywhere remains to be seen. It does seem that those of a like-mind know where to find each other.
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When he disappeared in 2010 from UK, he got a ferry to spain, with I assume the motorhome that he bought in Brighton. There has been a lot of police time put into catching this man.
28.06.2010
Child abuse suspect 'seen on CCTV' in Sussex
Mr Robinson has been extradited to Australia where he faces trial
A man suspected of child abuse in Australia and New Zealand has been traced from CCTV images in Sussex.
Roderick Robinson, 72, is charged with sex offences in Australia and New Zealand but failed to answer bail and returned to England in November.
His motorhome was seen on CCTV in Brighton, before he caught a ferry from Portsmouth to Spain.
Mr Robinson was finally arrested in Portugal. He is now in Australia where he faces trial.
'Brighton connection'
He is accused of attacking a nine-year-old girl in Sydney in 1999.
He has also been charged with child sex offences in New Zealand.
Det Ch Insp John Geden, of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said: "We identified that there was a connection to the Brighton area so we visited Sussex Police and they were able to trawl through their CCTV images.
"The breakthrough came really when they found an image of the motorhome that we believed, and intelligence told us, that Mr Robinson purchased."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10437678
His camper and leaving court in Malta......
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I think the timing suggests Woodhouse may have supplied a few names to the Met, but whether or not that leads anywhere remains to be seen. It does seem that those of a like-mind know where to find each other.
Possibly the Ring that they need answers about.
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No! He said that he reverted to his original name and I think he said that he was adopted.
Roderick macdonald
Parents:-
Rosina Kiomal from Malta
And Roderick Macdonald from UK born -1916?
Married in Malta in 1936 under army law
Must have moved to married qrtrs in Aldershot
Children:-
Roderick Macdonald born 1/7/1938 in Aldershot (No w in his name)
David Macdonald born 1940 in aldershot
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Roderick Macdonald (snr) killed in action 1940?
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Rosina Kiomal died in 1940 in Aldershot aged 23yrs around the time that her second child was born.
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Where did Rodney end up?
Cant find a Rodney robinson in births UK 1938
Rodney macdonald passenger to Australia (metalworker) 1956
States his dob as 1/7/1934 probably had to be over 21 to sail alone or emigrate, if that’s what he done.
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Rod w robinson born 1938 died in 1962 in blackpool
Passage to Australia Rodney Macdonald.
Age 22 over 21 but 4 yrs older than our R Macdonald/Robinson …
No R robinson born 3rd qtr 1934
No R robinson born 1/7 1934,35,36,37.
No R Macdonald born at above dates, so another mystery
Roderick w Robinson born 1938 died 1962... no birthdate recorded……………….. so could be adopted R macdonald ???
There is no middle name W in this birth 1938 in Aldershot
But R W Robinson cant be this Rod who is still alive…. although could be stolen identity. He would have to get all certificates to check this out and find the real parentage to know he came from macdonald…..tricky!!!!!!!
Unless he was a friend or relative of this person or family and somehow acquired all his personal papers…… Probably wrong.
So who the hell is he?
His face is like so many of that age group, I wonder if they had a mugshot in Australia/newzealand or an old passport photo even?
I am checking out boats too
Great work Anna. Stolen identity could well be the case. Something else, MacDonald is referred to as a former oil rig worker in some press reports.
So sad too, he lost both parents at the age of barely two years.
www.google.com/m?q=roderick%20macdonald%20oil%20worker%20paedophile&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new
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When he disappeared in 2010 from UK, he got a ferry to spain, with I assume the motorhome that he bought in Brighton. There has been a lot of police time put into catching this man.
28.06.2010
Child abuse suspect 'seen on CCTV' in Sussex
Mr Robinson has been extradited to Australia where he faces trial
A man suspected of child abuse in Australia and New Zealand has been traced from CCTV images in Sussex.
Roderick Robinson, 72, is charged with sex offences in Australia and New Zealand but failed to answer bail and returned to England in November.
His motorhome was seen on CCTV in Brighton, before he caught a ferry from Portsmouth to Spain.
Mr Robinson was finally arrested in Portugal. He is now in Australia where he faces trial.
'Brighton connection'
He is accused of attacking a nine-year-old girl in Sydney in 1999.
He has also been charged with child sex offences in New Zealand.
Det Ch Insp John Geden, of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said: "We identified that there was a connection to the Brighton area so we visited Sussex Police and they were able to trawl through their CCTV images.
"The breakthrough came really when they found an image of the motorhome that we believed, and intelligence told us, that Mr Robinson purchased."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10437678
His camper and leaving court in Malta......
Thanks again for that, Anna, I hadn't seen that report.
I wonder which passport he used to travel to Spain and back again and what he did for money.
He's certainly an interesting character,
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Great work Anna. Stolen identity could well be the case. Something else, MacDonald is referred to as a former oil rig worker in some press reports.
So sad too, he lost both parents at the age of barely two years.
www.google.com/m?q=roderick%20macdonald%20oil%20worker%20paedophile&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new
Yes it was very very sad, for this whole family, but I noticed another soldier named Charles Macdonald had an adopted son and I hoped that at least one of the children was safe.
He was apparently an oil rig worker, but where I do not know. The R W Robinson who was born 1938 and died in 1962, in blackpool. There are oil rigs in the area, but our Rod would only be 24, so don't know if he would be old enough to work on a rig . I don't know how R W Robinson died, without ordering a cert.
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Thanks again for that, Anna, I hadn't seen that report.
I wonder which passport he used to travel to Spain and back again and what he did for money.
He's certainly an interesting character,
I think, but cant remember now whether he was arrested in Portugal as Robinson or Macdonald, but I believe it was Robinson and then he changed his name when he returned to UK from Australia, to Macdonald and ran away again to Malta. Whilst in Malta he sailed off to the phillipines for a holiday, but came back to Malta early and was arrested.
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There was a Roderick McWilliam Robinson born in 1943, died 1976, not sure if the record means he was born or died in Malta.
I think whoever this guy is, he has woven a very tangled web.
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There was a Roderick McWilliam Robinson born in 1943, died 1976, not sure if the record means he was born or died in Malta.
I think whoever this guy is, he has woven a very tangled web.
Deaths abroad.
He was in the armed forces and born UK October 1943 died Malta 1976. What a strange middle name.
He was born in Oswestry Shropshire and his mothers name was White.
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Deaths abroad.
He was in the armed forces and born UK October 1943 died Malta 1976. What a strange middle name.
This just gets even better. There was also a Roderick MacDonald who married a Rosina Pappalardo in Malta in 1936, the same year as the deceased Rosina Kiomal married a Roderick MacDonald.
2 of them....or a bigamist.......??
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This just gets even better. There was also a Roderick MacDonald who married a Rosina Pappalardo in Malta in 1936, the same year as the deceased Rosina Kiomal married a Roderick MacDonald.
2 of them....or a bigamist.......??
Yes it is confusing . but she is down as Kiomal or Pappalardo on the record, which means she was widowed (a bit young though before she was 20), common law wife, adopted or goodness knows what.
It was wartime and girls married very young and could also be widowed very young. That poor girl didn't have much of a life, did she.
My grandma remarried after being widowed young and both her last marriage surname and maiden name were recorded on the marriage cert.
I think Rosina's maiden name would be Kiomal, because this is on the birth record of her son Roderick.
Hope you can understand that.
A tangled web indeed Misty. I wouldn't want to try and unravel it.
Do you think he researched and found a difficult one to work out? Only one flaw though...R Macdonald had no W as a middle name.
and the flaw in Roderick W robinson is that he died, very young, poor lad.
Whether or not R Macdonald stole his identity, he can no longer use it.
So Roddy could be anyone I'm not even sure that he is British! We can only try and eliminate. I wonder if he will tell the police who he really is?
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http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141027/local/Gozo-paedophile-wanted-in-NZ-on-child-rape-charge.541396
Gozo paedophile wanted in NZ on child rape charge
The British paedophile jailed for child pornography and set to be extradited to the UK over a girl’s sexual assault is also wanted for child rape in New Zealand.
New Zealand court documents seen by this newspaper show that 76-year-old Roderick Macdonald has been on the run from New Zealand police since 2010.
He is wanted for allegedly raping a girl younger than 12 three times in South New Zealand back in 2008.
Two weeks ago he was arrested near his flat at Ta’ Ċenċ, Gozo, and taken into custody for breaching the conditions of a suspended sentence over the sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl in the UK.
He then received an 18-month jail term for possession of child pornography, which was found in the ‘deleted’ folder on his laptop computer.
Mr Macdonald has consented to be extradited to the UK to serve time over the assault. It is not yet known whether he will choose to serve the 18 months in the UK or be extradited after doing his jail time in Malta.
How would he know about any of the McCann stuff?
Scotland Yard police also want to question him on a paedophile ring suspected of involvement in the disappearance of English girl Madeline McCann.
The three-year-old’s disappearance shocked the international community when she vanished from her parent’s holiday apartment in Portugal back in 2007.
Police were investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010. The break-ins had stopped in 2010, at around the time Mr Macdonald was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping another eight-year-old girl there.
Mr Macdonald was living in Portugal’s Algarve region at the time of the McCann disappearance, on a boat a few miles from her family’s apartment.
A friend of Mr Macdonald, however, is insisting the convict has no knowledge of the McCann case or of any paedophile gangs.
“This is ridiculous. How would [he] know about any of that stuff?” the friend asked.
Mr Macdonald, a former oil rig worker whose mother is Maltese, is claiming to have come to Gozo two years ago for “personal reasons” and is denying all allegations against him. He has not always gone by the name Macdonald and for many years used the alias Roderick Robinson.
His friend however said this was the man’s original family name and not a false identity.
One thing is certain: the man has a long history of running from the law over child sex abuse allegations.
In 1989 he faced a charge in Australia of raping an eight-year-old girl and fled to the UK. He was found guilty of sexually assaulting two girls aged five and seven in Brighton in 2010.
Again he fled, this time to Thailand, where he lay low for a while. Three months later, however, he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.
He eventually found his way to New Zealand, where he was living in a government-owned retirement home.
Auckland newspapers had, at the time, reported that the man had “disappeared overnight” following weeks of “strange behaviour” and police investigations.
He then allegedly raped a girl three times on her parent’s boat, twice in one day. He was charged in court but fled once again.
Rumours spread in New Zealand that he had sailed to Fiji but instead the man cropped up in a nondescript road in rural Gozo.
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Wish the UK press were as forthcoming!
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Dear God. I don't think I can handle this. It is all getting bit too much for me.
Have The McCanns been arrested yet?
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http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141027/local/Gozo-paedophile-wanted-in-NZ-on-child-rape-charge.541396
Gozo paedophile wanted in NZ on child rape charge
The British paedophile jailed for child pornography and set to be extradited to the UK over a girl’s sexual assault is also wanted for child rape in New Zealand.
New Zealand court documents seen by this newspaper show that 76-year-old Roderick Macdonald has been on the run from New Zealand police since 2010.
He is wanted for allegedly raping a girl younger than 12 three times in South New Zealand back in 2008.
Two weeks ago he was arrested near his flat at Ta’ Ċenċ, Gozo, and taken into custody for breaching the conditions of a suspended sentence over the sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl in the UK.
He then received an 18-month jail term for possession of child pornography, which was found in the ‘deleted’ folder on his laptop computer.
Mr Macdonald has consented to be extradited to the UK to serve time over the assault. It is not yet known whether he will choose to serve the 18 months in the UK or be extradited after doing his jail time in Malta.
How would he know about any of the McCann stuff?
Scotland Yard police also want to question him on a paedophile ring suspected of involvement in the disappearance of English girl Madeline McCann.
The three-year-old’s disappearance shocked the international community when she vanished from her parent’s holiday apartment in Portugal back in 2007.
Police were investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010. The break-ins had stopped in 2010, at around the time Mr Macdonald was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping another eight-year-old girl there.
Mr Macdonald was living in Portugal’s Algarve region at the time of the McCann disappearance, on a boat a few miles from her family’s apartment.
A friend of Mr Macdonald, however, is insisting the convict has no knowledge of the McCann case or of any paedophile gangs.
“This is ridiculous. How would [he] know about any of that stuff?” the friend asked.
Mr Macdonald, a former oil rig worker whose mother is Maltese, is claiming to have come to Gozo two years ago for “personal reasons” and is denying all allegations against him. He has not always gone by the name Macdonald and for many years used the alias Roderick Robinson.
His friend however said this was the man’s original family name and not a false identity.
One thing is certain: the man has a long history of running from the law over child sex abuse allegations.
In 1989 he faced a charge in Australia of raping an eight-year-old girl and fled to the UK. He was found guilty of sexually assaulting two girls aged five and seven in Brighton in 2010.
Again he fled, this time to Thailand, where he lay low for a while. Three months later, however, he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.
He eventually found his way to New Zealand, where he was living in a government-owned retirement home.
Auckland newspapers had, at the time, reported that the man had “disappeared overnight” following weeks of “strange behaviour” and police investigations.
He then allegedly raped a girl three times on her parent’s boat, twice in one day. He was charged in court but fled once again.
Rumours spread in New Zealand that he had sailed to Fiji but instead the man cropped up in a nondescript road in rural Gozo.
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Wish the UK press were as forthcoming!
Thanks Misty,
They certainly don't hang around with the news in Malta and Australia. Who is this friend I wonder, Could he know for definite that he is Macdonald? He would have to have known him a very long time.
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Thanks Misty,
They certainly don't hang around with the news in Malta and Australia. Who is this friend I wonder, Could he know for definite that he is Macdonald? He would have to have known him a very long time.
The friend is probably about as reliable as "a source close to the Portuguese investigation".
I like the foreign press - they don't have the same restraints our own does regarding this case. I read an article re. the shutters in the NZ press...Pegasus saw it before I pulled it so he/she will know what I'm referring to.....it all fits in with what I think.
I don't believe RR is the one though - he's a groomer, not a chancer by the look of it.
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The friend is probably about as reliable as "a source close to the Portuguese investigation".
I like the foreign press - they don't have the same restraints our own does regarding this case. I read an article re. the shutters in the NZ press...Pegasus saw it before I pulled it so he/she will know what I'm referring to.....it all fits in with what I think.
I don't believe RR is the one though - he's a groomer, not a chancer by the look of it.
But didn't one of the reports in one of the papers say that RR said he should have spoken to the police before about this?
I thought that it was referring to the Madeleine case.
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This just gets even better. There was also a Roderick MacDonald who married a Rosina Pappalardo in Malta in 1936, the same year as the deceased Rosina Kiomal married a Roderick MacDonald.
2 of them....or a bigamist.......??
There could not be more than one person in a selected area with the same name? wow!
The phone book in china... ming ling marries li- lee on 24th October 1934... and 29th November 1943.... bloody bigamists! Oh wait.... same name -different people would you believe it.
I hope the beast Rod confesses!
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There could not be more than one person in a selected area with the same name? wow!
The phone book in china... ming ling marries li- lee on 24th October 1934... and 29th November 1943.... bloody bigamists! Oh wait.... same name -different people would you believe it.
I hope the beast Rod confesses!
Anna has already clarified this if you scroll back.
Roderick is hardly a common christian name, especially 2 Rodericks getting married in Malta in 1936 to 2 Rosinas - and this is the father we are referring to.
I read somewhere that RR changed his name by deed poll from Robinson to MacDonald whilst in the UK in 2012, I will try to find the link. So, from being a MacDonald at birth, he became a Robinson, & then a MacDonald again.
Yes, well....
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[ Off topic quote expunged ]
I notice that the newspaper report states his age now as 77, which means he cannot have been born in 1938 as per his "passport". (There is a lot to be said for having a copy of your fingerprint recorded on your passport record)
It seems SY have questioned him, so whether he is being held in custody until the extradition process can be completed or has to serve his 16 month sentence first remains to be seen.
I am of the opinion he has fleeced some big guns somewhere & has spent many years trying to avoid them - but his penchant for young girls gets the better of him
at times.
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I notice that the newspaper report states his age now as 77, which means he cannot have been born in 1938 as per his "passport". (There is a lot to be said for having a copy of your fingerprint recorded on your passport record)
It seems SY have questioned him, so whether he is being held in custody until the extradition process can be completed or has to serve his 16 month sentence first remains to be seen.
I am of the opinion he has fleeced some big guns somewhere & has spent many years trying to avoid them - but his penchant for young girls gets the better of him
at times.
I wonder what age group interests him?
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I wonder what age group interests him?
In the main article misty has put on the ages of some of his victims are mentioned as: five, seven and eight.
I wonder if there is any phone records connection between him and any of the PDL residents or tourists.
He also seems a little bit too old...
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I notice that the newspaper report states his age now as 77, which means he cannot have been born in 1938 as per his "passport". (There is a lot to be said for having a copy of your fingerprint recorded on your passport record)
It seems SY have questioned him, so whether he is being held in custody until the extradition process can be completed or has to serve his 16 month sentence first remains to be seen.
I am of the opinion he has fleeced some big guns somewhere & has spent many years trying to avoid them - but his penchant for young girls gets the better of him
at times.
Yep, you are right. He cannot be 77. If he was born in 1938, he would be 76 or if born right at the end of the year 75.
[I used to teach Maths, only as a subsidiary subject, but my brain aint what it was. Please correct me if I am wrong.]
Some questions:
Is the passport false ?
Does the passport belong to this man ?
Are we looking at an altogether different man hiding behind a false passport ?
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As he possible has nothing at all to do with this case, all this wondering might be quite irrelevant.
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As he possible has nothing at all to do with this case, all this wondering might be quite irrelevant.
It might be irrelevant or it might not be.
Best to look at this scenario from all directions, dont you think?
Keep the options open, eh ?
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I prefer to wait and see if SY consider him relevant, as they, after all are the ones who have interviewed him.
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I prefer to wait and see if SY consider him relevant, as they, after all are the ones who have interviewed him.
I agree with that, but no harm done in a little sleuthing around the edges, is there?
We have noticed that his passport appears to be phoney, or it could be that the reporter cant do Maths? Probably the later.
Some sleuths on here have noticed that it seems that Roderick Robinson is dead.
So what is the harm in questioning if the man taken into custody is actually Roderick Robinson ? Or could he be another man masquerading as RR ?
The fact that SY wanted to extradite this man, which is a dramatic move, makes this man especially interesting IMO
And there is something else ......... 8(0(* ?>)()<
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I agree with that, but no harm done in a little sleuthing around the edges, is there?
We have noticed that his passport appears to be phoney, or it could be that the reporter cant do Maths? Probably the later.
Some sleuths on here have noticed that it seems that Roderick Robinson is dead.
So what is the harm in questioning if the man taken into custody is actually Roderick Robinson ? Or could he be another man masquerading as RR ?
The fact that SY wanted to extradite this man, which is a dramatic move, makes this man especially interesting IMO
And there is something else ......... 8(0(* ?>)()<
FUD
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I agree with that, but no harm done in a little sleuthing around the edges, is there?
We have noticed that his passport appears to be phoney, or it could be that the reporter cant do Maths? Probably the later.
Some sleuths on here have noticed that it seems that Roderick Robinson is dead.
So what is the harm in questioning if the man taken into custody is actually Roderick Robinson ? Or could he be another man masquerading as RR ?
The fact that SY wanted to extradite this man, which is a dramatic move, makes this man especially interesting IMO
And there is something else ......... 8(0(* ?>)()<
We have absolutely no verification from SY that they are interested in this man, whatever his name is, in the context of Madeleine's disappearance so please stop spreading disinformation sadie.
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We have absolutely no verification from SY that they are interested in this man, whatever his name is, in the context of Madeleine's disappearance so please stop spreading disinformation sadie.
Of course we dont know for sure.
But go into "Newsnow Mccann", which I do several times a week and it is all there.
Seems some think it is to do with Madeleine
And I have other reasons to think it might have ......... 8(0(* 8(>((
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Of course we dont know for sure.
But go into "Newsnow Mccann", which I do several times a week and it is all there.
Seems some think it is to do with Madeleine
And I have other reasons to think it might have ......... 8(0(* 8(>((
So to be clear you have absolutely no verification from SY that they want to question this man in relation to Madeleine's disappearance. Am I correct ?
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http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/local-news/convicted-aldershot-paedophile-questioned-over-8218098
Convicted Aldershot paedophile questioned over Madeleine McCann disappearance
Roderick MacDonald, 77, originally from Aldershot has been questioned by British police investigating the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann
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Madeleine McCann went missing from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007
A convicted paedophile from Aldershot has been quizzed by police over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was questioned by police in his prison cell as British officers try to uncover vital clues about who snatched Madeleine, aged three at the time of her disappearance, in 2007.
MacDonald, said to have been in the Algarve when she vanished, was questioned about his alleged connection to a child sex gang operating in Portugal and linked to her disappearance.
It is believed he was pressed on what he knew about a spate of burglaries which occurred in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine’s family were staying when she went missing.
British detectives think the burglaries – believed to be carried out by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010 – could be the key to finally solving what happened to her.
The latest development comes as it was confirmed 11 people – four of whom are thought to be British – due to be quizzed over Madeleine’s disappearance next week will be asked to attend a police station as witnesses, not as suspects.
MacDonald was arrested in Malta in October having been subject of an international arrest warrant since 2012.
Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials.
MacDonald was due to be extradited to the UK after he was remanded in custody in Malta.
But when detectives there searched his flat, in the quiet village of Sannat, they uncovered a stash of child pornography and sentenced him to 16 months in prison.
This forced Scotland Yard detectives to jet out to Malta in order to question him at the Corradino Correctional Facility outside the capital Valletta.
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Mirror Paedophile Roderick Macdonald was arrested in Malta in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance - he was living in a first floor flat on Triq Ta Cenc, Sannat, on the island of Gozo
A close friend of MacDonald’s, who had no idea about his sordid past, said: “He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing.
"He would brag about how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz but we never thought anything of it.
“We had no idea how evil this man was before he was arrested. Now it seems completely sinister. No wonder the police were so keen to quiz him.”
MacDonald, born Roderick William Robinson in Aldershot in July 1938, was first arrested in the Algarve in 2010 and extradited to Australia where he was wanted for the 1998 rape of an eight-year-old.
He got six months’ jail after accepting a plea deal for indecently assaulting the child then fled to Thailand after he was released.
After being deported to Britain by Thai authorities due to his history, MacDonald settled in Brighton, East Sussex.
Despite being put on the sex offenders’ register, he was convicted of molesting two girls, aged five and seven, on a boat at Sussex Yacht Club in 2012.
He fled abroad prior to his sentence and was handed a 12-month prison sentence suspended for two years in his absence.
When he was finally arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the island of Gozo he is believed to have told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
They all denied any involvement.
Originally published on Mirror Online.
Anything that you notice on the photos?
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So your source appears to be the ultra-reliable Mirror.
Meanwhile SY are refusing to give a running commentary
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So your source appears to be the ultra-reliable Mirror.
Meanwhile SY are refusing to give a running commentary
Perhaps you could give us a list of approved "sceptic" sources - how about Blacksmith for example, is he one?
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As far as I'm concerned, the only worthwhile sources are those that quote a named person. Even then, they may not be totally reliable, but are the best available.
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As far as I'm concerned, the only worthwhile sources are those that quote a named person. Even then, they may not be totally reliable, but are the best available.
Is it not fair to say though that even when named sources are quoted, their words are often interpreted to mean the complete opposite? May I refer you to the quote in my signature line as a perfect example.
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Oh yes indeed. Newspapers have a very nasty habit of presenting something as a direct quote, when only part of it is such and has a load of speculation attached and passed off as part of the quote.
One has to be very careful in teasing out the 'facts' from the fiction and many gulible fall for the deception.
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As far as I'm concerned, the only worthwhile sources are those that quote a named person. Even then, they may not be totally reliable, but are the best available.
Named sources like Amaral or Pavaia, you mean?
Yes, I take your point.
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Named sources like Amaral or Pavaia, you mean?
Yes, I take your point.
Don't forget Mitchell. He's not renowned for telling the truth, which, I guess, is why he thinks he will do well as an MP
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Named sources like Amaral or Pavaia, you mean?
Yes, I take your point.
Says the man that quotes Wikipedia @)(++(*
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Says the man that quotes Wikipedia @)(++(*
The gauge of the worth of wikipedia is how well referenced it is.
A well-referenced wikipedia article can useful and informative.
Wikipedia should never be dismissed out of hand although accuracy should neither be assumed.
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http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/local-news/convicted-aldershot-paedophile-questioned-over-8218098
Convicted Aldershot paedophile questioned over Madeleine McCann disappearance
Roderick MacDonald, 77, originally from Aldershot has been questioned by British police investigating the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann
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(http://i4.gethampshire.co.uk/incoming/article7980414.ece/alternates/s615/CP4868842.jpg)
Madeleine McCann went missing from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007
A convicted paedophile from Aldershot has been quizzed by police over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was questioned by police in his prison cell as British officers try to uncover vital clues about who snatched Madeleine, aged three at the time of her disappearance, in 2007.
MacDonald, said to have been in the Algarve when she vanished, was questioned about his alleged connection to a child sex gang operating in Portugal and linked to her disappearance.
It is believed he was pressed on what he knew about a spate of burglaries which occurred in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine’s family were staying when she went missing.
British detectives think the burglaries – believed to be carried out by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010 – could be the key to finally solving what happened to her.
The latest development comes as it was confirmed 11 people – four of whom are thought to be British – due to be quizzed over Madeleine’s disappearance next week will be asked to attend a police station as witnesses, not as suspects.
MacDonald was arrested in Malta in October having been subject of an international arrest warrant since 2012.
Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials.
MacDonald was due to be extradited to the UK after he was remanded in custody in Malta.
But when detectives there searched his flat, in the quiet village of Sannat, they uncovered a stash of child pornography and sentenced him to 16 months in prison.
This forced Scotland Yard detectives to jet out to Malta in order to question him at the Corradino Correctional Facility outside the capital Valletta.
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Mirror Paedophile Roderick Macdonald was arrested in Malta in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance - he was living in a first floor flat on Triq Ta Cenc, Sannat, on the island of Gozo
A close friend of MacDonald’s, who had no idea about his sordid past, said: “He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing.
"He would brag about how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz but we never thought anything of it.
“We had no idea how evil this man was before he was arrested. Now it seems completely sinister. No wonder the police were so keen to quiz him.”
MacDonald, born Roderick William Robinson in Aldershot in July 1938, was first arrested in the Algarve in 2010 and extradited to Australia where he was wanted for the 1998 rape of an eight-year-old.
He got six months’ jail after accepting a plea deal for indecently assaulting the child then fled to Thailand after he was released.
After being deported to Britain by Thai authorities due to his history, MacDonald settled in Brighton, East Sussex.
Despite being put on the sex offenders’ register, he was convicted of molesting two girls, aged five and seven, on a boat at Sussex Yacht Club in 2012.
He fled abroad prior to his sentence and was handed a 12-month prison sentence suspended for two years in his absence.
When he was finally arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the island of Gozo he is believed to have told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
They all denied any involvement.
Originally published on Mirror Online.
Anything that you notice on the photos?
Anything that you notice about the second photo?
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Oh yes indeed. Newspapers have a very nasty habit of presenting something as a direct quote, when only part of it is such and has a load of speculation attached and passed off as part of the quote.
One has to be very careful in teasing out the 'facts' from the fiction and many gulible fall for the deception.
Although in the case of my sig line I think there is actual video footage of him speaking those words which makes them pretty irrefutable, though god knows the "sceptics" try!
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Anything that you notice about the second photo?
Somebody has stolen the windows ?
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Somebody has stolen the windows ?
Perhaps there's an entrance to a quantum singularity. 8)--))
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So did SY have to send Rog letters to Malta and sit in as Maltese detectives quizzed the subject...or did the Maltese simply co operate
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As a former British Colony, there might be different legal arrangements between the two countries, compared with a non-colonial one.
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As a former British Colony, there might be different legal arrangements between the two countries, compared with a non-colonial one.
or perhaps the Maltese just co operated
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or perhaps the Maltese just co operated
Santa paciência! No matter what, there are judicial procedures which have to be respected no matter which countries are involved. It is not a question of cooperation. The Portuguese had to submit rogatory letters when they questioned the Tapas in the UK, as they would not have been able to do so otherwise. There has to be respect of the different judicial systems. You never miss a chance to insult the Portuguese, do you?
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Santa paciência! No matter what, there are judicial procedures which have to be respected no matter which countries are involved. It is not a question of cooperation. The Portuguese had to submit rogatory letters when they questioned the Tapas in the UK, as they would not have been able to do so otherwise. There has to be respect of the different judicial systems. You never miss a chance to insult the Portuguese, do you?
You are a complete disgrace... I have never ...and never would insult the Portuguese people
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Anything that you notice about the second photo?
Somebody has stolen the windows ?
Good answer Jassi
But what I notice is that it is an old building with just one floor occupied. That floor could be just one flat or even two flats owned by one person. No immediate neighbours so ideal spot for a peado to keep his conquests quiet and away from prying eyes too. Good spot for any illegal activities actually.
That on its own does not condemn RR. He may be totally innocent, but seems he has a history.
We'll have to wait and see.
After all, as yet we know not what RR has actually done to alert Operation Grange.
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Good answer Jassi
But what I notice is that it is an old building with just one floor occupied. That floor could be just one flat or even two flats owned by one person. No immediate neighbours so ideal spot for a peado to keep his conquests quiet and away from prying eyes too. Good spot for any illegal activities actually.
That on its own does not condemn RR. He may be totally innocent, but seems he has a history.
We'll have to wait and see.
After all, as yet we know not what RR has actually done to alert Operation Grange.
Or that he has alerted them at all !
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Yes, do we know for certain that Operation Grange is involved, or just SY in general?
Has Redwood or an underling stated that they are involved?
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Or that he has alerted them at all !
Well,something has made them sit up and take notice of him Faith.
And they seemingly thought that they had enough against him to extradict him.
TBH, I cannot understand the Maltese Authorities stepping in as they have done ... and charging him, then jailing him so fast. Surely such fast timing is not normal?
And surely as he had committed what seem like bigger offenses in the UK and elsewhere in the World, they should not have crossed these countries.
Relative to assaulting a child / children, the crime of possessing indecent images on his computer seems such a minor one.
it just doesn't make sense to me. What they are effectively doing is protecting him from greater charges..
But maybe there is a reason that will become clear later? Let's wait and see.
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Yes, do we know for certain that Operation Grange is involved, or just SY in general?
Has Redwood or an underling stated that they are involved?
Of course not jassi.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648
Madeleine McCann: Cops quiz British paedophile who was in the Algarve when Maddie vanished
Dec 02, 2014 22:46
By Adam Aspinall
Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues
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Missing Madeleine McCann VIEW GALLERY
British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have quizzed a convicted paedophile said to have been in the Algarve when she vanished.
Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues about who snatched little Madeleine, aged three at the time.
MacDonald was questioned about his alleged connection to a child sex gang operating in Portugal, linked to her disappearance.
It is believed he was pressed on what he knew about a spate of burglaries which occurred in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine’s family were staying when she went missing in 2007.
British detectives reckon the burglaries – believed to be carried out by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010 – could be the key to finally solving what happened to her.
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The latest development comes as it was confirmed 11 people – four of whom are thought to be British – due to be quizzed over Madeleine’s disappearance next week will be asked to attend a police station as witnesses, not as suspects.
Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their
visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials.
MacDonald was due to be extradited to the UK after he was remanded in custody in Malta.
But when detectives there searched his flat in the quiet village of Sannat they uncovered a stash of child pornography and sentenced him to 16 months in prison.
This forced Scotland Yard detectives to jet out to Malta in order to question him at the Corradino Correctional Facility outside the capital Valletta.
A close friend of MacDonald’s, who had no idea about his sordid past, said: “He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing.
"He would brag about how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz but we never thought anything of it.
“We had no idea how evil this man was before he was arrested. Now it seems completely sinister. No wonder the police were so keen to quiz him.”
Rex Roderick MacDonald
Quizzed: Roderick MacDonald being arrested in Thailand
MacDonald, of Aldershot, Hants, was first arrested in the Algarve in 2010 and extradited to Australia where he was wanted for the 1998 rape of an eight-year-old.
He got six months’ jail after accepting a plea deal for indecently assaulting the child then fled to Thailand after he was released.
After being deported to Britain by Thai authorities due to his history, MacDonald – previously known as Roderick William Robinson – settled in Brighton, East Sussex.
Despite being put on the sex offenders’ register, he was convicted of molesting two girls, aged five and seven, on a boat at Sussex Yacht Club in 2012.
He fled abroad prior to his sentence and was handed a 12-month prison sentence suspended for two years in his absence.
When he was finally arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the island of Gozo he is believed to have told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”
MAIN--MADDIE VIEW GALLERY
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
They all denied any involvement.
The 11 people due to be interviewed as witnesses are reported to include Robert Murat, his German wife Michaela Walczuch, her ex-partner Luis Antonio and John Hill, the manager of the Ocean Club where the McCanns were staying.
IT consultant Mr Murat – who had his arguido status removed in 2008 when the first Portuguese enquiry was shelved – has said his conscience is clear and he is happy to speak to police again if required.
The Operation Grange squad who will sit in on the interviews, led by Portuguese police, will include team leader Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood.
OMG WTF give me a break.
This guy was proven never to have been in PDL at the time. I officially give up lol.
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OMG WTF give me a break.
This guy was proven never to have been in PDL at the time. I officially give up lol.
proven by whom..cite please
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OMG WTF give me a break.
This guy was proven never to have been in PDL at the time. I officially give up lol.
The continued impression is that SY is clutching at straws.
How many police stations and jobs could have been saved if the money spent on Grange had been more usefully deployed ?
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I thought they were questioning him about what he might know about paedophiles operating in the Algarve at the time, not about him actually being in PdL on the night of May 3rd.
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I thought they were questioning him about what he might know about paedophiles operating in the Algarve at the time, not about him actually being in PdL on the night of May 3rd.
A member asked yesterday why McDonald had not been extradited. The logical answer would appear to be that he will have to serve time for the crime he committed in Malta first and then be repatriated to England to face the historic charges there.
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Bring Mario Fernando witness to Malta, have him take a look. His description of tall fat with glasses,no or small amount of hair. By what he describes the hit was supposed to take place on 2nd of May. They might have attempted since Maddie was crying that night she told parents following morning... Where were you last night...me and my brother crying.....
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I'm afraid that I haven't a clue what you are talking about.
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/73may13/Mirror_29_05_2013.htm
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I'm afraid that I haven't a clue what you are talking about.
I understand what Bros is talking about. And it's a valid point.
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/73may13/Mirror_29_05_2013.htm
Thank you 8((()*/
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/73may13/Mirror_29_05_2013.htm
Maybe he has already been picked out from photographs?
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A member asked yesterday why McDonald had not been extradited. The logical answer would appear to be that he will have to serve time for the crime he committed in Malta first and then be repatriated to England to face the historic charges there.
What a backhanded thing to do. They suddenly trump up / find a relatively minor crime, immediately judge him and then immediately slam him in a very pleasant type of correction centre (and keep him there) when far greater charges MIGHT be on the books in PT and also charges are outstanding in the UK... and he had skipped bail in (was it) New Zealand for serious crimes against children. something like that anyhow ( doing it from memory)
Anyone might be forgiven for thinking they were trying to protect this guy
Only in my opinion, of course
But REALLY what ever is going on ? !!!!
It would not surprise me if the action by the Maltese Authorities is the reason that has decided Andy Redwood to retire at the appointed time. Rather than delay until this man serves his time ....
Amaral always seems to be able to stretch things out and delay things. Seems Malta and PT are the same
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OMG WTF give me a break.
This guy was proven never to have been in PDL at the time. I officially give up lol.
1) This guy operates on false passports.
2) He jumped bail [in NZ IIRC]
3) I cant remember the details but IIRC he left England with charges hanging over his head
4) For some strange reason he welcomed jail in Malta and went quietly. With his record, I wonder why?
5) Then for some strange reason he was jailed immediately for having child pornography on his computer we are told. This is something that the Maltese police only found out about 2 or 3 weeks ago ... yet he has already been found guilty and jailed? Seems too quick for me
6) One thing is certain and that is it has left the Met with no way of proceeding their case.
With all the confusion over passports, we dont even know if HE IS Roderick MacDonald at all.
Something very strange here IMO
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1) This guy operates on false passports.
2) He jumped bail [in NZ IIRC]
3) I cant remember the details but IIRC he left England with charges hanging over his head
4) For some strange reason he welcomed jail in Malta and went quietly. With his record, I wonder why?
5) Then for some strange reason he was jailed immediately for having child pornography on his computer we are told. This is something that the Maltese police only found out about 2 or 3 weeks ago ... yet he has already been found guilty and jailed? Seems too quick for me
6) One thing is certain and that is it has left the Met with no way of proceeding their case.
With all the confusion over passports, we dont even know if HE IS Roderick MacDonald at all.
Something very strange here IMO
If he pleaded guilty there would be no trial and sentence would be passed almost at once. Nothing odd in that. It happens in this country all the time.
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1) This guy operates on false passports.
2) He jumped bail [in NZ IIRC]
3) I cant remember the details but IIRC he left England with charges hanging over his head
4) For some strange reason he welcomed jail in Malta and went quietly. With his record, I wonder why?
5) Then for some strange reason he was jailed immediately for having child pornography on his computer we are told. This is something that the Maltese police only found out about 2 or 3 weeks ago ... yet he has already been found guilty and jailed? Seems too quick for me
6) One thing is certain and that is it has left the Met with no way of proceeding their case.
With all the confusion over passports, we dont even know if HE IS Roderick MacDonald at all.
Something very strange here IMO
No doubt, SC will know what name was used to draw his pension by now.
Was it new Zealand that his post was found in the shed by a neighbour and the post had two different names?
I think IIRC, that was before the Name change to Macdonald in UK.
So three names then! I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even british.
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I am soon to do a post about Madeleine v paedophiles on shininginluz.wordpress.com as it is the top request on the site.
Please get your comments on board here, so I can take them into consideration. Your view is much appreciated.
Jeez, what a jolly task confronts me. 18 pages of paedo-themed comments and only 16 days to Xmas.
One small point. The newspapers are clear. It is not paedophile. It is not paedophile ring (not in the singular). It is paedophile rings (plural, at least two, but the suggestion is we are/were infested with them).
If someone can help me with why there are multiple paedophile rings on the Algarve but only the press knows about them, please enlighten me. Why does the press know so much about these paedophile rings when no-one else does?
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I am soon to do a post about Madeleine v paedophiles on shininginluz.wordpress.com as it is the top request on the site.
Please get your comments on board here, so I can take them into consideration. Your view is much appreciated.
Jeez, what a jolly task confronts me. 18 pages of paedo-themed comments and only 16 days to Xmas.
One small point. The newspapers are clear. It is not paedophile. It is not paedophile ring (not in the singular). It is paedophile rings (plural, at least two, but the suggestion is we are/were infested with them).
If someone can help me with why there are multiple paedophile rings on the Algarve but only the press knows about them, please enlighten me. Why does the press know so much about these paedophile rings when no-one else does?
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If someone can help me with why there are multiple paedophile rings on the Algarve but only the press knows about them, please enlighten me. Why does the press know so much about these paedophile rings when no-one else does?
Corruption!! at its best,that is my opinion.
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The press might think these rings are in Pt, but they don't know who they are.
I think these "Rings" are everywhere in the world and everyone knows about them. They involve all sorts of crime......... forced Prostitution, slavery, paedophiles, human trafficking, drugs etc. etc.
Unfortunately nobody knows who they are, as they protect each other and very often involve people in powerful positions. IMO .
It seems to me that these people only come to light when there is a leak, or victims name the criminals involved.
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According to CEOP annual report, it would appear that this chap was in New Zealand at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf - see page 29
Not really that close to the Algarve as some would like, perhaps.
Excellent post. He might or might not have been in the area that night. On the basis of evidence, that would be a no.
Mind you, that's one paedo down and how many countless others to go? 8()-000(
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Excellent post. He might or might not have been in the area that night. On the basis of evidence, that would be a no.
Mind you, that's one paedo down and how many countless others to go? 8()-000(
They say there is a rat within 10 feet of you.....I would say that would be the same for a pedophile too.
I dont think there is just a pedophile ring perse, I think it is a group of people all over the world who traffic human slaves, drugs, etc and amongst them are politicians, doctors and the like.....you would simply not be able to ascertain how many......and to stir too deep would probably find you in the sea lol.....
Did you not ever read the statements by the Caspars I think thats how you spell it...
Always look close when looking for a pedophile, as they come in many guises, doctors, dentist, social workers, creche workers, friends, family so on and so forth.
Just in my own life time, my own family (including my self, my daughter and her son and his friend), have been involved with the unwanted actions of pedophiles under the guise of family friends........................this spanned over many years.
1. 1962 approx, I was being slowly groomed by a friend of my fathers in Malta he was in the RAF. Long story short just before it got too dangerous for me I told my brother, he told my father and they guy just disappeared with his wife. I found out later when i had grown up he was arrested.....but dont have a clue what happened. He had got to stage of exposing himself to me whenever he could.
2. 1970 Germany. Family moved into apartment across from mine. One 16 year old and I think about 10 year old girl with mother and father in the Army. I found out the father had been abusing the daughter....he was arrested...
3. 1986. My 12 year old daughter was sexually molested by my best friends partner when she did a stay overnight.
4. 2012. My 14 year old grandson and his 12 year friend were sexually assaulted by my daughters BEST FRIEND, who was living with her supposededly helping her as my daughter was ill at the time. This was reported to police, eventually a few months ago it was decided as the boys did not want it all raking up again it would not go to court and it was never pushed by the Police. This 28 year WOMEN got away with it basically, she is now living in Cornwall i beleive and could offend again.....
So just in my family. If you do a google map of one area and pedophiles showed up RED, i bet you the area would be dotted with red spots.
Pedophilia is a sickness and has been going on since man became man.....its also becoming and more noticeable in women, mothers with their children, or even with other peoples children, creche workers. Although women tend to go a bit more for the slightly older child, but then look at Rose West......
The Internet has made it sooooooo much more easier for this sickness to spread now like a plague.......
Was there a pedophile ring operating in PDL? Possibly. Were there pedophiles staying in PDL in May 3rd I expect absolutley, were they strangers who knows.............but i expect there was 1 every 10 feet even there........and I dont expect for one minute the child was aware she was so close to one.....or her siblings, or any other child living in the area.....they are all close to one. Now isnt that sad. 8(8-))
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If someone can help me with why there are multiple paedophile rings on the Algarve but only the press knows about them, please enlighten me. Why does the press know so much about these paedophile rings when no-one else does?
Corruption!! at its best,that is my opinion.
Or a vivid imagination and an eye for what sells newspapers.
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It's Paedogeddon!
A load of hysterical nonce sense.
BALTIMORA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NesjvRihbEg
Stay Away From Me by American chart toppers 'Smash my brothers face in'. LMAO
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That's the thing with paedophiles; I believe, they tend to be secretive except among themselves and play away quietly in the background and are truly delighted by people who deny their existence.
It is undeniable that when Madeleine went missing there were an extraordinary number of convicted British paedophiles in the immediate environs of PDL. I dare say they enjoy sunning themselves as much as the next person.
I don't think there were any Brit exports cited here, this one seems to have been made up entirely of the home grown variety.
Carlos Cruz sentenced to seven years for paedophile offences
Portuguese TV presenter among six convicted over child prostitution at Casa Pia state-run orphanages
One of Portugal's most famous television presenters and a former ambassador were among six men found guilty yesterday of involvement with a paedophile prostitution ring that exploited children from state-run orphanages.
The guilty verdicts handed down to TV presenter Carlos Cruz and the five others exposed the truth of more than three decades of rumours about systematic abuse of young boys at the 230-year-old Casa Pia network of orphanages.
It was only when Joel, a former orphanage boy, came forward in 2002 and accused some of the country's best-known names of being involved that Portugal woke up to full horror of the scandal.
Members of Portugal's media, civil service and professional elite were alleged to be regular abusers of the boys, some younger than 14. Even well-known politicians were involved, it was initially rumoured. A flood of accusations from boys who had passed through the Casa Pia system followed. Some 32 boys alleged at least 800 crimes.
The case pitted the orphanage boys against a group of well-educated, influential people – including a former ambassador to Unesco, a lawyer, a doctor and Cruz. Yesterday, eight years after they dared to speak out, the boys finally won their case.
The four men and two former orphanage employees received sentences of between just under six years and 18 years. Carlos Silvino, a 53-year-old Casa Pia worker who confessed to 600 crimes and gave evidence against other defendants was sentenced to 18 years.
"The court recognised that we were telling the truth," said Bernardo Teixeira, one of the victims. "It's a happy ending for us. The paedophiles are going to jail."
The court ruling was hailed as a victory by those fighting for children's rights in Portugal. "The stories that I heard were the most terrible of my life," said Catalina Pestana, who was put in charge of the Casa Pia orphanages after the crimes were first reported in 2002.
"I think Portugal, the country, all of us, won a lot from this process. Now, when a child accuses an adult, nobody will look with the same lack of attention that they did for many years."
The court case lasted six years, bringing additional outrage about the slow way in which Portugal's legal system worked. The case was already in court when three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared while on holiday with her family in the Algarve in 2007. Portuguese police were, at the time, defensive about claims, particularly those made in the British press, that they had a history of mishandling cases involving children.
Buried in the case paperwork are allegations that Casa Pia was known to paedophiles internationally and that some flew in to abuse children from the orphanage, according to at least one source familiar with the case.
Portuguese media provided live running coverage of the reading of the sentence. The judges said they were giving only an abbreviated version of events, with a much fuller judgment due to be made public next week. The senior member of the three-judge panel, Ana Peres, began by warning those present that the abuse they described would be graphic and shocking. "Some of the accounts could be considered pornographic," she said.
Cruz, 68, who was once voted Portugal's most popular man, had paid for sex with a 14-year-old, the judges declared. He also abused at least one other boy. The father of two was known as "Mr Television" after several decades as a national star. He was sentenced to seven years in jail.
A doctor, Ferreira Diniz, was also sentenced to seven years and a former ambassador, Jorge Ritto, 74, to six years, and the former Casa Pia ombudsman, Manuel Abrantes, to five. They were found guilty of abusing several young boys.
The court found that boys had been regularly taken to a house in the eastern town of Elvas during the 1990s to meet the paedophile clients. Abuse had also taken place in Lisbon.
Some of the victims who gave evidence were present to hear the verdicts. Psychiatrists said several of the victims had tried to kill themselves after denouncing the abuse to the police. One threw himself from a second-floor window.
Lawyers said their clients would almost certainly appeal. "It seems inevitable that we will have to appeal," said Cruz's lawyer, Antonio Serra Lopes, before the sentence was read out. "This is the first round."
• This article was amended on 7 September 2010. The original headline said Carlos Cruz jailed for seven years. This has been corrected.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/03/portugal-paedophile-ring
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The press might think these rings are in Pt, but they don't know who they are.
I think these "Rings" are everywhere in the world and everyone knows about them. They involve all sorts of crime......... forced Prostitution, slavery, paedophiles, human trafficking, drugs etc. etc.
Unfortunately nobody knows who they are, as they protect each other and very often involve people in powerful positions. IMO .
It seems to me that these people only come to light when there is a leak, or victims name the criminals involved.
We have seen it time and again in GB and in Ireland; it seems that vulnerable children who have been victims were seldom believed in the past as in the main the perpetrators were persons in authority.
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At least that case went to trial and reached a conclusion. Similar allegation involving politicians in UK seem to have been suppressed and ignored for decades
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At least that case went to trial and reached a conclusion. Similar allegation involving politicians in UK seem to have been suppressed and ignored for decades
Sometimes mistakes are made by over zealous officials ... as in the Cleveland, Orkney and Ayrshire "satanic sexual abuse" cases.
The whole scenario is a minefield and is definitely not a subject to be discussed lightly.
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We have seen it time and again in GB and in Ireland; it seems that vulnerable children who have been victims were seldom believed in the past as in the main the perpetrators were persons in authority.
In some case yes but I believe previous generations were more concerned with housing and feeding their family than they were with child abuse. People have the luxury of being able to do something about abuse these days.
We have all heard the jokes about the catholic priest and the alter boys. In times gone by these priests had a lot more power than they have today, they could get away with anything basically. The 1970 movie starring Robert Mitchum and John Mills called Ryan's Daughter exposes this phenomena extremely well.
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That's the thing with paedophiles; I believe, they tend to be secretive except among themselves and play away quietly in the background and are truly delighted by people who deny their existence.
It is undeniable that when Madeleine went missing there were an extraordinary number of convicted British paedophiles in the immediate environs of PDL. I dare say they enjoy sunning themselves as much as the next person.
I don't think there were any Brit exports cited here, this one seems to have been made up entirely of the home grown variety.
Carlos Cruz sentenced to seven years for paedophile offences
Portuguese TV presenter among six convicted over child prostitution at Casa Pia state-run orphanages
One of Portugal's most famous television presenters and a former ambassador were among six men found guilty yesterday of involvement with a paedophile prostitution ring that exploited children from state-run orphanages.
The guilty verdicts handed down to TV presenter Carlos Cruz and the five others exposed the truth of more than three decades of rumours about systematic abuse of young boys at the 230-year-old Casa Pia network of orphanages.
It was only when Joel, a former orphanage boy, came forward in 2002 and accused some of the country's best-known names of being involved that Portugal woke up to full horror of the scandal.
Members of Portugal's media, civil service and professional elite were alleged to be regular abusers of the boys, some younger than 14. Even well-known politicians were involved, it was initially rumoured. A flood of accusations from boys who had passed through the Casa Pia system followed. Some 32 boys alleged at least 800 crimes.
The case pitted the orphanage boys against a group of well-educated, influential people – including a former ambassador to Unesco, a lawyer, a doctor and Cruz. Yesterday, eight years after they dared to speak out, the boys finally won their case.
The four men and two former orphanage employees received sentences of between just under six years and 18 years. Carlos Silvino, a 53-year-old Casa Pia worker who confessed to 600 crimes and gave evidence against other defendants was sentenced to 18 years.
"The court recognised that we were telling the truth," said Bernardo Teixeira, one of the victims. "It's a happy ending for us. The paedophiles are going to jail."
The court ruling was hailed as a victory by those fighting for children's rights in Portugal. "The stories that I heard were the most terrible of my life," said Catalina Pestana, who was put in charge of the Casa Pia orphanages after the crimes were first reported in 2002.
"I think Portugal, the country, all of us, won a lot from this process. Now, when a child accuses an adult, nobody will look with the same lack of attention that they did for many years."
The court case lasted six years, bringing additional outrage about the slow way in which Portugal's legal system worked. The case was already in court when three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared while on holiday with her family in the Algarve in 2007. Portuguese police were, at the time, defensive about claims, particularly those made in the British press, that they had a history of mishandling cases involving children.
Buried in the case paperwork are allegations that Casa Pia was known to paedophiles internationally and that some flew in to abuse children from the orphanage, according to at least one source familiar with the case.
Portuguese media provided live running coverage of the reading of the sentence. The judges said they were giving only an abbreviated version of events, with a much fuller judgment due to be made public next week. The senior member of the three-judge panel, Ana Peres, began by warning those present that the abuse they described would be graphic and shocking. "Some of the accounts could be considered pornographic," she said.
Cruz, 68, who was once voted Portugal's most popular man, had paid for sex with a 14-year-old, the judges declared. He also abused at least one other boy. The father of two was known as "Mr Television" after several decades as a national star. He was sentenced to seven years in jail.
A doctor, Ferreira Diniz, was also sentenced to seven years and a former ambassador, Jorge Ritto, 74, to six years, and the former Casa Pia ombudsman, Manuel Abrantes, to five. They were found guilty of abusing several young boys.
The court found that boys had been regularly taken to a house in the eastern town of Elvas during the 1990s to meet the paedophile clients. Abuse had also taken place in Lisbon.
Some of the victims who gave evidence were present to hear the verdicts. Psychiatrists said several of the victims had tried to kill themselves after denouncing the abuse to the police. One threw himself from a second-floor window.
Lawyers said their clients would almost certainly appeal. "It seems inevitable that we will have to appeal," said Cruz's lawyer, Antonio Serra Lopes, before the sentence was read out. "This is the first round."
• This article was amended on 7 September 2010. The original headline said Carlos Cruz jailed for seven years. This has been corrected.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/03/portugal-paedophile-ring
I don't deny paedos exist.
I'm just not swept away by the mass hysteria.
And I don't buy the whole 'paedos exist therefore Maddie was abducted.... by a paedo', unlike yourself & the rest of the numpties who believe Gerry's imaginings.
You're never more than 10 feet from a serial rogue intruder who's just waiting to snatch your kids.
Lurking on every street corner, aren't they.
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In some case yes but I believe previous generations were more concerned with housing and feeding their family than they were with child abuse. People have the luxury of being able to do something about abuse these days.
We have all heard the jokes about the catholic priest and the alter boys. In times gone by these priests had a lot more power than they have today, they could get away with anything basically. The 1970 movie starring Robert Mitchum and John Mills called Ryan's Daughter exposes this phenomena extremely well.
And do not forget or ignore that in Ireland there were more than a few cases of nuns sexually assaulting young boys which were taken up by the barrister who had led the charge against the priesthood.
A large number of the cases exposed in recent years have been systematic and institutional rather than random on spec. In either case it is a crime, however blurring the edges may lead to false assumptions being made.
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“We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared
He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm
'They've taken her'!
It weren't us guv, It was paedos wot dunnit!
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I don't deny paedos exist.
I'm just not swept away by the mass hysteria.
And I don't buy the whole 'paedos exist therefore Maddie was abducted.... by a paedo', unlike yourself & the rest of the numpties who believe Gerry's imaginings.
You're never more than 10 feet from a serial rogue intruder who's just waiting to snatch your kids.
Lurking on every street corner, aren't they.
I have always hoped fervently that paedophiles had nothing at all to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
... and a quick look at some in action now that CCTV is so prevalent means that no one can be complacent about the risks to children from predators.
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It weren't us guv, it was this predator, honest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqoj-pfBUnY&feature=player_detailpage#t=3175
'They've been watching us over a matter of days, I'm sure, you know, they know.. you know, they must have known that Gerry had just been into the apartment and then.... you're right, there was only a small window of opportunity but.. you know..'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zqoj-pfBUnY#t=2947
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Tormented Kate McCann: I'm tortured by thought that Maddie is being abused by a paedophile
‘The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me over and over again.
‘I would lie in bed, hating the person who had done this to us – the person who had taken away our little girl and terrified her. I hated him. I wanted to kill him.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384421/Kate-McCann-Im-tortured-thought-Maddie-abused-paedophile.html
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Tormented Kate McCann: I'm tortured by thought that Maddie is being abused by a paedophile
‘The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me over and over again.
‘I would lie in bed, hating the person who had done this to us – the person who had taken away our little girl and terrified her. I hated him. I wanted to kill him.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384421/Kate-McCann-Im-tortured-thought-Maddie-abused-paedophile.html
Is this the one she has now apparently forgiven ?
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Is this the one she has now apparently forgiven ?
I wonder if she's forgiven the rest of the gang ?
Their abduction days are over now anyway.
Redwood is grilling all 11 of them as we speak.
I reckon that Mrs Batista will be the first to crack.
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I can see that this thread has now lost all connection with its original title.
Therefore, I feel free to reply in like to the post above, which is equally way off course.
Silvia Batista? Why on earth Silvia Batista? She got phoned up and went into help to translate. She gave her DNA.
How about Amy Tierney, who for reasons explained in Kate's book rushed through 5A probably leaving DNA everywhere but if she gave a DNA sample (to exclude her) I can't find it.
Can we get back to the paedophile story?
I have read up to about page 8 or page 9 or thereabouts on this thread. So far, I have found nothing that puts Roderick McDonald in Luz at the time of the attack. Unless it changes in the next 9 or now 10 pages, I am having to go with that.
If you want to see whether you get a credit at shininginluz.wordpress.com, you can always come and check it out there.
Or you could trust me, when I say that I always give credit where credit is due.
So you will get credit. 100%. Definitely.
But please, isn't the purpose of this thread about one single paedophile who may, or may not, be involved in the Madeleine incident?
Can we please get back on topic?
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Silvia Batista. Wasn't she the first one at the scene when the alarm was given excluding the tapas members?
I like your blog btw. You seem to take more of an objective viewpoint imo. Is refreshing..
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I can see that this thread has now lost all connection with its original title.
Therefore, I feel free to reply in like to the post above, which is equally way off course.
Silvia Batista? Why on earth Silvia Batista? She got phoned up and went into help to translate. She gave her DNA.
How about Amy Tierney, who for reasons explained in Kate's book rushed through 5A probably leaving DNA everywhere but if she gave a DNA sample (to exclude her) I can't find it.
Can we get back to the paedophile story?
I have read up to about page 8 or page 9 or thereabouts on this thread. So far, I have found nothing that puts Roderick McDonald in Luz at the time of the attack. Unless it changes in the next 9 or now 10 pages, I am having to go with that.
If you want to see whether you get a credit at shininginluz.wordpress.com, you can always come and check it out there.
Or you could trust me, when I say that I always give credit where credit is due.
So you will get credit. 100%. Definitely.
But please, isn't the purpose of this thread about one single paedophile who may, or may not, be involved in the Madeleine incident?
Can we please get back on topic?
http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/local-news/convicted-aldershot-paedophile-questioned-over-8218098
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A close friend of MacDonald’s, who had no idea about his sordid past, said: “He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing.
"He would brag about how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz but we never thought anything of it.
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Whoever he is, the fact that he is now in jail means that he is not free to target & abuse any more youngsters, and for that society should be thankful.
It is possible that he came to the attention of the authorities in Malta as a result of Operation Predator.
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...how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz...
Not possible. Keel of yacht would hit seafloor before reaching shore.
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Not possible. Keel of yacht would hit seafloor before reaching shore.
Perhaps he dropped anchor out near all those other luxury yachts & jumped in his dinghy. Who knows? I'm only citing what his friend allegedly said - and SY appear to think he may hold some useful information.
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Perhaps he dropped anchor out near all those other luxury yachts & jumped in his dinghy. Who knows? I'm only citing what his friend allegedly said - and SY appear to think he may hold some useful information.
Didn't the OC nannies take the children out in dingys to the larger boats?
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Didn't the OC nannies take the children out in dingys to the larger boats?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA-B.htm
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- On the first two days the children played and did activities in the sand. On the Thursday they went sailing next to the beach.
- On that day they sailed in a small yellow "catamaran";
- Alice Standley accompanied the children on the route and on the boat. Three children sailed with her at one time;
- Chris Unswork transported the children in a red amphibious boat (life-saving boat) until the boat reached the open sea, and, a few minutes later, returned them to the beach to pick up three other children from the group;
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I can't quite make sense of the arrangements, but they certainly went out to the open sea.
I thought I'd read they'd sailed to the adjoining bay, I'll see if I can find anything to substantiate that.
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Perhaps he dropped anchor out near all those other luxury yachts & jumped in his dinghy. Who knows? I'm only citing what his friend allegedly said - and SY appear to think he may hold some useful information.
IMO it is the UK newspaper exaggerating, they do like to change locations to make their stories sound closer to PDL than they really are. Show me a photo of yachts moored off PDL and people coming ashore in dingies - I don't see any. Why anchor offshore and have to go ashore in a beachable dingy, when Lagos harbour and marina is just a few kilometres away?
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Perhaps he dropped anchor out near all those other luxury yachts & jumped in his dinghy. Who knows? I'm only citing what his friend allegedly said - and SY appear to think he may hold some useful information.
Have you ever visited PdL ?
The nearest anchor point to PdL is Lagos harbour, there are no anchoring points in or around PdL for a yacht, suffice to say THERE WERE NO "ALL THOSE OTHER LUXURY YACHTS" moored anywhere around PdL on that (or any other) night !
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I can see that this thread has now lost all connection with its original title.
Therefore, I feel free to reply in like to the post above, which is equally way off course.
Silvia Batista? Why on earth Silvia Batista? She got phoned up and went into help to translate. She gave her DNA.
How about Amy Tierney, who for reasons explained in Kate's book rushed through 5A probably leaving DNA everywhere but if she gave a DNA sample (to exclude her) I can't find it.
Can we get back to the paedophile story?
I have read up to about page 8 or page 9 or thereabouts on this thread. So far, I have found nothing that puts Roderick McDonald in Luz at the time of the attack. Unless it changes in the next 9 or now 10 pages, I am having to go with that.
If you want to see whether you get a credit at shininginluz.wordpress.com, you can always come and check it out there.
Or you could trust me, when I say that I always give credit where credit is due.
So you will get credit. 100%. Definitely.
But please, isn't the purpose of this thread about one single paedophile who may, or may not, be involved in the Madeleine incident?
Can we please get back on topic?
Not yet 8)--)) Sylvia Batista was on the scene in 5A. She witnessed Tanner first talking about the man and child. She saw them trying to get the press involved when the police said no. The priest....she's an important witness to question for what was actually going on in the aftermath.
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Have you ever visited PdL ?
The nearest anchor point to PdL is Lagos harbour, there are no anchoring points in or around PdL for a yacht.
Why so rude?
Re: Catriona Baker's statement. It seems likely that dingies were used to transport the children to bigger boats IMO
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REPORT OF EXTERNAL DILIGENCE
Date: 2007.05.10
Place: Praia da Luz, Lagos
Officer responsible: Manuel Pinho, Inspector
Description and result of diligence
On this date, in the company of my colleague Joao Barreiras and with Catriona Baker, the nanny responsible for the missing minor, we reconstructed the locations and their movements upon leaving the resort, in the direction of the beach.
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During the first two days, the children played and made activities in the sand. On Thursday they sailed to the next beach.
On this day the sailed in a small yellow catamaran.
Employee Alice Standley accompanied the children during this sailing trip. Three children at a time would travel with each infant educator.
Employee Chris Unswork transported the children, in a red amphibious dinghy, to the embarkation and a few minutes later, would return them to the beach and then pick up the remaining children.
Signed by the officer in charge.
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Not yet 8)--)) Sylvia Batista was on the scene in 5A. She witnessed Tanner first talking about the man and child. She saw them trying to get the press involved when the police said no. The priest....she's an important witness to question for what was actually going on in the aftermath.
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Wasn't she referring to when the GNR said 'No Press allowed to the McCanns, which of course is the opposite of what would happen in the UK when the media is immediately used in missing child cases? Being Portuguese she would also find it strange that Kate asked for a priest as apparently that doesn't happen in PT - unless someone has died
IMO two examples of how the the difference in cultures worked against the McCanns from the very beginning.
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Why so rude?
Re: Catriona Baker's statement. It seems likely that dingies were used to transport the children to bigger boats IMO
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REPORT OF EXTERNAL DILIGENCE
Date: 2007.05.10
Place: Praia da Luz, Lagos
Officer responsible: Manuel Pinho, Inspector
Description and result of diligence
On this date, in the company of my colleague Joao Barreiras and with Catriona Baker, the nanny responsible for the missing minor, we reconstructed the locations and their movements upon leaving the resort, in the direction of the beach.
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During the first two days, the children played and made activities in the sand. On Thursday they sailed to the next beach.
On this day the sailed in a small yellow catamaran.
Employee Alice Standley accompanied the children during this sailing trip. Three children at a time would travel with each infant educator.
Employee Chris Unswork transported the children, in a red amphibious dinghy, to the embarkation and a few minutes later, would return them to the beach and then pick up the remaining children.
Signed by the officer in charge.
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I would expect small cats which would be launched from the beach at the start of the session and brought ashore afterwards. The users bring ferried out and back by rib as required. It is not a location to anchor off due to prevailing winds and tides.
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I would expect small cats which would be launched from the beach at the start of the session and brought ashore afterwards. The users bring ferried out and back by rib as required. It is not a location to anchor off due to prevailing winds and tides.
Praia Da Luz was originally a fishing village ... so access to the open sea could not have presented much of a challenge to its inhabitants.
A temporary offshore mooring is most definitely not an impossibility ... nor is it impossible to cast off in a dingy and sail to Lagos.
Almost every tourist guide mentions the accessibility to water; just because this man rightly or wrongly may have boasted about PDL and may be of interest in Madeleine's case ... does not obliterate the fact that it would be perfectly possible for experienced sailors to take cognisance of prevailing winds and tides, and moor offshore.
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You will find there are good water SPORTS FACILITIES in Praia da Luz, such as scuba diving, snorkelling, waterskiing, windsurfing, a sailing school, paddleboats, boat trips and from 2011 Luz has its own Bowling club.
http://www.luz-info.com/
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Praia Da Luz was originally a fishing village ... so access to the open sea could not have presented much of a challenge to its inhabitants.
A temporary offshore mooring is most definitely not an impossibility ... nor is it impossible to cast off in a dingy and sail to Lagos.
Almost every tourist guide mentions the accessibility to water; just because this man rightly or wrongly may have boasted about PDL and may be of interest in Madeleine's case ... does not obliterate the fact that it would be perfectly possible for experienced sailors to take cognisance of prevailing winds and tides, and moor offshore.
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You will find there are good water SPORTS FACILITIES in Praia da Luz, such as scuba diving, snorkelling, waterskiing, windsurfing, a sailing school, paddleboats, boat trips and from 2011 Luz has its own Bowling club.
http://www.luz-info.com/
What do you suggest they moor to?
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What do you suggest they moor to?
Could it not have been anchored offshore, Starti?
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Could it not have been anchored offshore, Starti?
Possible but not very comfortable.
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What do you suggest they moor to?
Despite your determination that it is impossible to moor or lie at anchor off Praia Da Luz, you should give a little more thought to what is and is not possible and you should give a little more thought to the terminology used.
If you follow the link ... http://photoeverywhere.co.uk/east/fiji/fiji_sailing.jpg you will see a photograph the caption of which is ... Luxury catamaran moored offshore in mid ocean ... and not a jetty in sight.
IMO they chucked an anchor over the side, as Anna has suggested.
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Despite your determination that it is impossible to moor or lie at anchor off Praia Da Luz, you should give a little more thought to what is and is not possible and you should give a little more thought to the terminology used.
If you follow the link ... http://photoeverywhere.co.uk/east/fiji/fiji_sailing.jpg you will see a photograph the caption of which is ... Luxury catamaran moored offshore in mid ocean ... and not a jetty in sight.
IMO they chucked an anchor over the side, as Anna has suggested.
I didn't say they couldn't anchor?
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I didn't say they couldn't anchor?
IMO you didn't really say anything at all.
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IMO you didn't really say anything at all.
In fairness to Starti, Brietta.
He did say that anchorage was possible, but would not be very comfortable.
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What do you suggest they moor to?
This couple seemingly, anchored somewhere outside Lagos
'Aellopos': GB owner\skipper with wife or sister as sole crew, both over 35 years.
Possibly a short birthday trip for each, one from Portimao to Lagos and the other on the return trip, but why no record in Portimao? Perhaps they didn't berth overnight preferring to anchor offshore.
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This couple seemingly, anchored somewhere outside Lagos
'Aellopos': GB owner\skipper with wife or sister as sole crew, both over 35 years.
Possibly a short birthday trip for each, one from Portimao to Lagos and the other on the return trip, but why no record in Portimao? Perhaps they didn't berth overnight preferring to anchor offshore.
Anything is possible, though PDL isn't between Logas and Portimao and there would be other anchorages between.
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Anything is possible, though PDL isn't between Logas and Portimao and there would be other anchorages between.
The point I was trying to make, is that it was alright to anchor offshore, in that local area.
IIRC, Lagos is only about a 10 mins drive from PDL.
As you say lots of possible anchorage areas near PDL.
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The point I was trying to make, is that it was alright to anchor offshore, in that local area.
IIRC, Lagos is only about a 10 mins drive from PDL.
As you say lots of possible anchorage areas near PDL.
All fairly exposed to SW swells.
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All fairly exposed to SW swells.
But anchorages non the less.
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But anchorages non the less.
Yes,
I think he was a fairly hardy and experienced sailor, so no sweat for him!
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But anchorages non the less.
Not really...
http://www.algarveocean.com/home/57_uk.html (http://www.algarveocean.com/home/57_uk.html)
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My thanx to all who have input here. There is much good stuff here to be grateful for. I have now chunked through all 21 pages, so once again *&(+(+
I will be writing on shininginluz.wordpress.com about what I have found out, and giving full credit to contributors on this forum, given that most of what I know comes from here.
Since the big news at the moment is which fishes are being fried in Faro by whom about what, I don't expect to publish before the weekend. There's just too much fun and games going on down the coast for the time being.
Can I offer you an appetiser?
We have no proof of Captain Rod's ability to command a ship or navigate, apart from possibly some oil rig working.
Equally, we have no proof of his ownership of a vessel, or hiring of a vessel, or anything otherwise nautical.
Fact. I have personally seen a luxury yacht moored out at sea from Luz. Yes, there is no harbour. The yacht simply dropped anchor. The owners/guests come ashore for lunch. The captain stays aboard the vessel.
The Captain Rod story suffers from extreme weakness. How to find Madeleine, how to find an entry point to 5A, how to snatch her in with all of those checks. Please feel free to discuss as you like. That is your right.
This thread started off with Roderick in the Algarve with a motorised home. I'm going to be running with that variant.
Once again *&(+(+
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Not really...
http://www.algarveocean.com/home/57_uk.html (http://www.algarveocean.com/home/57_uk.html)
Quite determined a vessel could not lie offshore in "this bay of calm waters". Do stop being so silly ... of course one could.
This bay of calm waters is very prone to the practice of water sports: windsurfing, kite surfing, sailing and diving, there are several support facilities available to vacationers.
http://www.algarvetouristguide.com/beaches/praia-da-luz
Or ... a speed boat capable of nipping up and down the coast, in and out of inlets and marinas could have been used.
I think it is about time you accepted that Praia Da Luz is easily accessible for exit and entry by sea and illicit cargoes are sometimes carried.
The result of an operation carried out by a department of the Judiciary Police ended with a total of 1.5 tonnes of hashish being seized in the village of Praia da Luz, western Algarve, last Saturday.
Judiciary Police and Maritime Authorities surprised the drug smugglers as they were unloading the large packages of hashish from an 8.5 metre speed boat onto a four-wheel-drive jeep in Praia da Luz in the early hours of Saturday morning.
A total of four men, all of Spanish nationality and aged around 20 years old, were arrested, and two vehicles and two speed boats were seized, as well as the drugs.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/massive-praia-da-luz-drug-bust/2131
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Quite determined a vessel could not lie offshore in "this bay of calm waters". Do stop being so silly ... of course one could.
This bay of calm waters is very prone to the practice of water sports: windsurfing, kite surfing, sailing and diving, there are several support facilities available to vacationers.
http://www.algarvetouristguide.com/beaches/praia-da-luz
Or ... a speed boat capable of nipping up and down the coast, in and out of inlets and marinas could have been used.
I think it is about time you accepted that Praia Da Luz is easily accessible for exit and entry by sea and illicit cargoes are sometimes carried.
The result of an operation carried out by a department of the Judiciary Police ended with a total of 1.5 tonnes of hashish being seized in the village of Praia da Luz, western Algarve, last Saturday.
Judiciary Police and Maritime Authorities surprised the drug smugglers as they were unloading the large packages of hashish from an 8.5 metre speed boat onto a four-wheel-drive jeep in Praia da Luz in the early hours of Saturday morning.
A total of four men, all of Spanish nationality and aged around 20 years old, were arrested, and two vehicles and two speed boats were seized, as well as the drugs.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/massive-praia-da-luz-drug-bust/2131
I give up, some people struggle to understand the difference between beach launched craft and yachts.
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I give up, some people struggle to understand the difference between beach launched craft and yachts.
One can park at sea ( moor ... drop anchor) and come in.
One can land ... as the drug traffickers did ... on the beach.
I hope you do not mind me remarking that in my opinion you have adopted a particularly offensive posting style which does you no favours, nor does it lead to intelligent debate.
"Fact. I have personally seen a luxury yacht moored out at sea from Luz. Yes, there is no harbour. The yacht simply dropped anchor. The owners/guests come ashore for lunch. The captain stays aboard the vessel."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5426.msg205397#msg205397
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One can park at sea ( moor ... drop anchor) and come in.
One can land ... as the drug traffickers did ... on the beach.
I hope you do not mind me remarking that in my opinion you have adopted a particularly offensive posting style which does you no favours, nor does it lead to intelligent debate.
"Fact. I have personally seen a luxury yacht moored out at sea from Luz. Yes, there is no harbour. The yacht simply dropped anchor. The owners/guests come ashore for lunch. The captain stays aboard the vessel."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5426.msg205397#msg205397
I have no reason to disbelieve shining luz's statement regarding laying at anchor off shore in an ocean going yacht and coming ashore in a small motor launch that can be winched up on to a trailer. So the logistics for this start to become interesting. Picking up on s-luz's comments do we have reason to believe that Cap'n Rod owned an ocean going yacht or even had the certification and the wherewithal required to hire one?. It is after all a little bit more stringent than taking out a Hoseason's cruiser on the Thames.
Whilst the plan is not impossible it starts to look improbable because of the logistics and time factor involved. Like being spotted carrying out one the many activities required. Complicated plans have a nasty habit of going wrong. I have ignored the bit about whether there is any evidence of him having been in PdL or environs at the appropriate time and who his mates were. Even drawing a motor boat onto a trailer by ones self is no simple task.
For entertainment you might like to Google the death of Steve Cochrane to see the trouble it is possible to get into with an ocean gong yacht and little experience.
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I have no reason to disbelieve shining luz's statement regarding laying at anchor off shore in an ocean going yacht and coming ashore in a small motor launch that can be winched up on to a trailer. So the logistics for this start to become interesting. Picking up on s-luz's comments do we have reason to believe that Cap'n Rod owned an ocean going yacht or even had the certification and the wherewithal required to hire one?. It is after all a little bit more stringent than taking out a Hoseason's cruiser on the Thames.
Whilst the plan is not impossible it starts to look improbable because of the logistics and time factor involved. Like being spotted carrying out one the many activities required. Complicated plans have a nasty habit of going wrong. I have ignored the bit about whether there is any evidence of him having been in PdL or environs at the appropriate time and who his mates were. Even drawing a motor boat onto a trailer by ones self is no simple task.
For entertainment you might like to Google the death of Steve Cochrane to see the trouble it is possible to get into with an ocean gong yacht and little experience.
I'm not entering any debate about whether or not Roderick McDonald was in the Algarve in 2007 ... and I don't care if his 'ocean going qualifications' enable him to captain a tanker or a wind up toy in a boating pond.
I'm bemused by the apparent lifestyle of that person.
Apparently "on the run" from authorities worldwide. He was able to finance moves from country to country and from continent to continent and between his moves there seems to be no apparent evidence of exactly where he was at any given moment in time.
To travel as he did he required to have access to money.
If SY specifically want to interview him ... I am sure they have their reasons.
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Kidnapped her at low tide 10pm. Where's the boat? I dunno just run for it *&*%£
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Low tide? Interesting and relevant.
Does SY have its reasons? Probably and less relevant
(Please note I said that I once saw a yacht, aka a luxury vessel, moored off Luz. Not at the time of the incident, just once.)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-34583704
A paedophile who fled to Malta after being convicted of abusing two young girls has appeared in court following his extradition back to the UK.
Roderick Macdonald, 77, of Brighton, was flown to Gatwick on Saturday after his detention in Malta in October 2014.
He pleaded guilty, at Brighton Magistrates' Court, to three offences under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
In 2012, Macdonald received a suspended sentence under the name Robinson for abusing two girls, aged seven and five.
At the hearing on Monday, he admitted failing to notify foreign travel before leaving the UK, failing to notify change of name, and failing to notify change of address. The offences breached the terms of the court order, which placed him on the sex offenders register for life.
He was remanded in custody for sentencing at Lewes Crown Court on 20 November.
Sussex Police said Macdonald was given an 18-month jail sentence after admitting importing and possessing indecent images of children that were found on his computer at the time of his arrest in Malta.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-34583704
A paedophile who fled to Malta after being convicted of abusing two young girls has appeared in court following his extradition back to the UK.
Roderick Macdonald, 77, of Brighton, was flown to Gatwick on Saturday after his detention in Malta in October 2014.
He pleaded guilty, at Brighton Magistrates' Court, to three offences under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
In 2012, Macdonald received a suspended sentence under the name Robinson for abusing two girls, aged seven and five.
At the hearing on Monday, he admitted failing to notify foreign travel before leaving the UK, failing to notify change of name, and failing to notify change of address. The offences breached the terms of the court order, which placed him on the sex offenders register for life.
He was remanded in custody for sentencing at Lewes Crown Court on 20 November.
Sussex Police said Macdonald was given an 18-month jail sentence after admitting importing and possessing indecent images of children that were found on his computer at the time of his arrest in Malta.
And not a mention of Madeleine ! Ah well, another scapegoat bites the dust !
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-34583704
A paedophile who fled to Malta after being convicted of abusing two young girls has appeared in court following his extradition back to the UK.
Roderick Macdonald, 77, of Brighton, was flown to Gatwick on Saturday after his detention in Malta in October 2014.
He pleaded guilty, at Brighton Magistrates' Court, to three offences under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
In 2012, Macdonald received a suspended sentence under the name Robinson for abusing two girls, aged seven and five.
At the hearing on Monday, he admitted failing to notify foreign travel before leaving the UK, failing to notify change of name, and failing to notify change of address. The offences breached the terms of the court order, which placed him on the sex offenders register for life.
He was remanded in custody for sentencing at Lewes Crown Court on 20 November.
Sussex Police said Macdonald was given an 18-month jail sentence after admitting importing and possessing indecent images of children that were found on his computer at the time of his arrest in Malta.
And?
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And?
It's a piece of news about someone SY were interested in at one time.
At least he's been locked up this time so there's one less abuser out there on the streets.
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It's a piece of news about someone SY were interested in at one time.
At least he's been locked up this time so there's one less abuser out there on the streets.
And it's related to MM how?
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And it's related to MM how?
I would hazard a guess that the clue may lie in the thread title.
@Misty ... thanks for that update ... here's hoping he gets a custodial sentence this time ... prevention is better than cure and at least little girls will be safer if people know his exact whereabouts.
Horrible person.
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It's a piece of news about someone SY were interested in at one time.
At least he's been locked up this time so there's one less abuser out there on the streets.
The tabloids claimed SY were interested in him. There was never any proof they actually were.
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And not a mention of Madeleine ! Ah well, another scapegoat bites the dust !
He was never in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance but according to the article the police believed he may have been able to provide them with information about a paedophile ring operating in Portugal which may have had some bearing on sex attacks on the Algarve. There's nothing to suggest the police did not approach him and question him about this, nor any reason why Operation Grange would divulge any information he may have shared with the court he was found guilty in, or with the media.
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He was never in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance but according to the article the police believed he may have been able to provide them with information about a paedophile ring operating in Portugal which may have had some bearing on sex attacks on the Algarve. There's nothing to suggest the police did not approach him and question him about this, nor any reason why Operation Grange would divulge any information he may have shared with the court he was found guilty in, or with the media.
And there is absolutely nothing to suggest OG did approach and question him.
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And there is absolutely nothing to suggest OG did approach and question him.
Considering the circumstances do you think it would have been wrong of Operation Grange to question him??
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He was never in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance but according to the article the police believed he may have been able to provide them with information about a paedophile ring operating in Portugal which may have had some bearing on sex attacks on the Algarve. There's nothing to suggest the police did not approach him and question him about this, nor any reason why Operation Grange would divulge any information he may have shared with the court he was found guilty in, or with the media.
Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues about who snatched little Madeleine, aged three at the time.
MacDonald was questioned about his alleged connection to a child sex gang operating in Portugal, linked to her disappearance.
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Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648
Seems a red top journalist actually went to the trouble and did a little research to confirm that Scotland Yard did indeed have an interest in what this man might know about the dark underbelly of paedophiles on the loose in the area from which Madeleine disappeared.
We have no idea what may or may not have been gleaned from contact with him ... but to suggest either that Scotland Yard did not or that they should not have bothered ... is in my opinion quite absurd.
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Considering the circumstances do you think it would have been wrong of Operation Grange to question him??
It would depend on the lines of enquiry OG are pursuing.
The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned.
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It would depend on the lines of enquiry OG are pursuing.
The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned.
Oh dear, seems you are wrong - see post above.
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It would depend on the lines of enquiry OG are pursuing.
The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned.
It's the phenomenon again.
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See Post Above. He was questioned.
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See Post Above. He was questioned.
I don't think anyone questions the fact that he was questioned, the doubt is around if he was questioned by OG or even if it was anything to do with MM.
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I don't think anyone questions the fact that he was questioned, the doubt is around if he was questioned by OG or even if it was anything to do with MM.
You beat me to it!
"Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials".[/b]
It does not seem to say that the Maltese Government confirmed a visit by Operation Grange detectives.
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A Paedophile is questioned and everyone rushes in to defend him. You couldn't make it up.
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You beat me to it!
"Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials".[/b]
It does not seem to say that the Maltese Government confirmed a visit by Operation Grange detectives.
Maybe you should have continued reading the cite ...
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648
Also ...
A British paedophile has been interviewed by police in his jail cell in Malta about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was quizzed as part of Operation Grange by Scotland Yard detectives.
They wanted to know about MacDonald's links to a paedophile ring which was active in Portugal and has been linked to Madeleine's disappearance.
A former friend of MacDonald revealed he boasted about his time in the Algarve area.
"He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing," they said.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-police-interview-uk-paedophile-roderick-macdonald-malta-prison-cell-1477802
Why so adamant that this man was a person of interest to Operation Grange? Denial may work for some, but I think it is common sense that SY have questioned such a reprobate ... there is no doubt they checked out the Scottish ones, and goodness knows how many others ... why should this man therefore be exempt?
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It's bizarre! Why do some people find it so hard to come to terms with the fact that Operation Grange questioned this known paedophile who was living in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance?
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A Paedophile is questioned and everyone rushes in to defend him. You couldn't make it up.
No one is defending him, unless you believe that because he is a convicted child sex offender he can be fitted up for any crime involving children
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Maybe you should have continued reading the cite ...
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648
Also ...
A British paedophile has been interviewed by police in his jail cell in Malta about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was quizzed as part of Operation Grange by Scotland Yard detectives.
They wanted to know about MacDonald's links to a paedophile ring which was active in Portugal and has been linked to Madeleine's disappearance.
A former friend of MacDonald revealed he boasted about his time in the Algarve area.
"He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing," they said.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-police-interview-uk-paedophile-roderick-macdonald-malta-prison-cell-1477802
Why so adamant that this man was a person of interest to Operation Grange? Denial may work for some, but I think it is common sense that SY have questioned such a reprobate ... there is no doubt they checked out the Scottish ones, and goodness knows how many others ... why should this man therefore be exempt?
I think you missed out a "not" however I am not denying anything merely pointing out flaws in your argument based on what you posted originally which was from Red Top. There is no confirmation from a reliable source.
Your resorting to "I think it is commonsense" does rather make my point for me.
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Maybe you should have continued reading the cite ...
MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648
Also ...
A British paedophile has been interviewed by police in his jail cell in Malta about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was quizzed as part of Operation Grange by Scotland Yard detectives.
They wanted to know about MacDonald's links to a paedophile ring which was active in Portugal and has been linked to Madeleine's disappearance.
A former friend of MacDonald revealed he boasted about his time in the Algarve area.
"He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing," they said.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-police-interview-uk-paedophile-roderick-macdonald-malta-prison-cell-1477802
Why so adamant that this man was a person of interest to Operation Grange? Denial may work for some, but I think it is common sense that SY have questioned such a reprobate ... there is no doubt they checked out the Scottish ones, and goodness knows how many others ... why should this man therefore be exempt?
it is believed
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We know Op Grange have been looking into sex attacks on girls in the Algarve in the 2000s
We know that McDonald is a paedophile who was living in the area at the time of the attacks.
Newspaper reports make it clear that McDonald was questioned by the Met.
"Sceptics" won't accept it, however, based on reasons that are not clear to the rest of us.
Weird, but not surprising.
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I think you missed out a "not" however I am not denying anything merely pointing out flaws in your argument based on what you posted originally which was from Red Top. There is no confirmation from a reliable source.
Your resorting to "I think it is commonsense" does rather make my point for me.
One smiles with resignation when the provenance of a cite is questioned ... perhaps you would be kind enough to direct me to the approved list which may meet with your exacting requirements.
Do you think it would have been appropriate for Operation Grange to have ignored and failed to interview a multi identification and multi passported paedophile known to have an association with the Algarve and those of his evil persuasion there?
I would have called that sheer incompetence ...
Extraordinary you would think that whatever his name is would not be subject to police questioning under the circumstances, but there you go.
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One smiles with resignation when the provenance of a cite is questioned ... perhaps you would be kind enough to direct me to the approved list which may meet with your exacting requirements.
Do you think it would have been appropriate for Operation Grange to have ignored and failed to interview a multi identification and multi passported paedophile known to have an association with the Algarve and those of his evil persuasion there?
I would have called that sheer incompetence ...
Extraordinary you would think that whatever his name is would not be subject to police questioning under the circumstances, but there you go.
What I think is immaterial. I am curious to know how you arrive at your conclusion when the only facts quoted in the article that may be attributed to the horses mouth, as it were, are:
"Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials".
That does not tell much and the rest of the article is seasoned with comments like "it is believed that".
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We know Op Grange have been looking into sex attacks on girls in the Algarve in the 2000s
We know that McDonald is a paedophile who was living in the area at the time of the attacks.
Newspaper reports make it clear that McDonald was questioned by the Met.
"Sceptics" won't accept it, however, based on reasons that are not clear to the rest of us.
Weird, but not surprising.
CEOP annual review 2009-10.
McDonald was arrested in Australia in 2001, but fled to New Zealand. There he was picked up, but granted bail on the basis that he handed in his passport. In Nov 2009 he fled to the UK using a stolen passport, and from there CEOP managed to track him to the Algarve.
The CEOP report does not specify when he was picked up in New Zealand, so it is possible he travelled to the Algarve, returned to New Zealand, got picked up, handed over passport, then stole another passport.
From memory, although there were reports in the media that he had been in NZ for years before he fled, such reports are in papers of roughly the same quality as the Mirror, so I don't intend digging this lot out again.
On balance, it looks like he was not in Portugal for the date of the attacks (2004-2010), and not in the Algarve in 2007.
As to whether he knew of paedophile activity that may have been occurring in 2007 on the Algarve, that is another matter. But I would have thought if such involved Madeleine, someone somewhere would have offered this up by now.
Unless you have definitive proof that he was in the Algarve in 2007, please don't claim he definitely was. He almost certainly wasn't.
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CEOP annual review 2009-10.
McDonald was arrested in Australia in 2001, but fled to New Zealand. There he was picked up, but granted bail on the basis that he handed in his passport. In Nov 2009 he fled to the UK using a stolen passport, and from there CEOP managed to track him to the Algarve.
The CEOP report does not specify when he was picked up in New Zealand, so it is possible he travelled to the Algarve, returned to New Zealand, got picked up, handed over passport, then stole another passport.
From memory, although there were reports in the media that he had been in NZ for years before he fled, such reports are in papers of roughly the same quality as the Mirror, so I don't intend digging this lot out again.
On balance, it looks like he was not in Portugal for the date of the attacks (2004-2010), and not in the Algarve in 2007.
As to whether he knew of paedophile activity that may have been occurring in 2007 on the Algarve, that is another matter. But I would have thought if such involved Madeleine, someone somewhere would have offered this up by now.
Unless you have definitive proof that he was in the Algarve in 2007, please don't claim he definitely was. He almost certainly wasn't.
Where was he, almost certainly, then?
ETA: did not some of the attacks on girls occur whilst he was known to be in the Algarve in 2010? How long had he been there prior to his arrest?
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There has been no proof or official confirmation of where he was in 2007. He could have been anywhere on a false passport.
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Where was he, almost certainly, then?
ETA: did not some of the attacks on girls occur whilst he was known to be in the Algarve in 2010? How long had he been there prior to his arrest?
He was almost certainly in New Zealand.
I don't know the answer on the 2nd part. I have not yet sunk my teeth into the paedophile line, partly because I have little base information about the activity, partly because nearly all of the relevant information was expunged from the PJ Files prior to publication.
It would therefore require wading through the media, and paedo-in-Algarve-when-Maddie-was-snatched outsells paedo-not-connected-to-Maddie by a large margin, suggesting that some reports will be moulded to imply that a paedo who's whereabouts were unknown will magically be placed on the Algarve.
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There has been no proof or official confirmation of where he was in 2007. He could have been anywhere on a false passport.
The false passport he travelled on was stolen (allegedly), by McDonald from a friend in NZ who looked like him.
There is nothing to suggest he stole, purchased or forged another passport, thus getting a fake passport that looked like him. Or that he travelled to the Algarve before 2009.
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Where is Sadie when you need her? She knows far more about this than most.
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A Paedophile is questioned and everyone rushes in to defend him. You couldn't make it up.
Show us where someone has posted something in defence of the guys behaviour if you would be so kind.
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Show us where someone has posted something in defence of the guys behaviour if you would be so kind.
He is being defended from the suggestion that he had anything to do with sex attacks on the Algarve, despite the fact that he lived there and is a known paedophile - why is that?
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Oh dear, seems you are wrong - see post above.
Are you talking about an article in the Mirror ? Really ?
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Are you talking about an article in the Mirror ? Really ?
Yes, I really am.
You stated:
"The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned".
Wrong. There is the evidence - supplied by the Mirror - that Maltese Officials confirmed he had been questioned.
Of course you would choose to disbelieve it, just as you would if it had been published in the Times, the Guardian or the Telegraph. Why the Mirror would lie about such a thing is probably part of the great big McCann conspiracy going on in your head, but in the real world I can think of no reason for such a lie.
Which sources of news (apart from Blacksmith's blog and those by other random "sceptics") have the Faithlilly stamp of approval out of interest?
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Yes, I really am.
You stated:
"The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned".
Wrong. There is the evidence - supplied by the Mirror - that Maltese Officials confirmed he had been questioned.
Of course you would choose to disbelieve it, just as you would if it had been published in the Times, the Guardian or the Telegraph. Why the Mirror would lie about such a thing is probably part of the great big McCann conspiracy going on in your head, but in the real world I can think of no reason for such a lie.
Which sources of news (apart from Blacksmith's blog and those by other random "sceptics") have the Faithlilly stamp of approval out of interest?
Apologies if should have clarified......questioned by OG.
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So, there we have it - Operation Grange did not show any interest in interviewing a known paedophile who was residing in the Algarve at around the same time as sex attacks on children were happening there. And why should they, after all, eh? They've only been looking into the possible link between these sex attacks and Madeleine's disappearance so what use would there have been trying to extract any information out of a known paedo who lived in the area? Ridiculous idea to suggest they might have gone to Malta to question him!!!
Is that better?
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So, there we have it - Operation Grange did not show any interest in interviewing a known paedophile who was residing in the Algarve at around the same time as sex attacks on children were happening there. And why should they, after all, eh? They've only been looking into the possible link between these sex attacks and Madeleine's disappearance so what use would there have been trying to extract any information out of a known paedo who lived in the area? Ridiculous idea to suggest they might have gone to Malta to question him!!!
Is that better?
So you accept that there is nothing to CONFIRM OG questioned him ?
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So you accept that there is nothing to CONFIRM OG questioned him ?
Not from a source that you consider acceptable, so until Blacksmith tells us it happened I guess not...
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He is being defended from the suggestion that he had anything to do with sex attacks on the Algarve, despite the fact that he lived there and is a known paedophile - why is that?
I think it is called being accurate.
When he was picked up, he had been living in a camp site in Olhão (eastern Algarve) for 2 months, if the camp site owner can be trusted.
To be accurate, I don't know precisely when he entered the Algarve, though from memory he was tracked because he bought and drove a motor home from the UK to Portugal. I think that was shortly before he was picked up here.
He seems to have spent a considerable number of months in Lisbon prison before the deportation came through.
So, he's in the wrong area of Portugal at the wrong time. Plus there is nothing to suggest that he was in Portugal for the period spanning 2004-2010.
Other than that, we appear to have one source concluding from this that he was living in the nearby area when Madeleine disappeared.
Take your pick.
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Can I ask why the "sceptics" on this board find the idea of Operation Grange showing an interest in questioning this man about what he might know about paedophile activity in the Algarve so hard to believe?
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I think it is called being accurate.
When he was picked up, he had been living in a camp site in Olhão (eastern Algarve) for 2 months, if the camp site owner can be trusted.
To be accurate, I don't know precisely when he entered the Algarve, though from memory he was tracked because he bought and drove a motor home from the UK to Portugal. I think that was shortly before he was picked up here.
He seems to have spent a considerable number of months in Lisbon prison before the deportation came through.
So, he's in the wrong area of Portugal at the wrong time. Plus there is nothing to suggest that he was in Portugal for the period spanning 2004-2010.
Other than that, we appear to have one source concluding from this that he was living in the nearby area when Madeleine disappeared.
Take your pick.
I think you may be mixing up your paedophiles, wasn't that Hewitt?
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Yes, I really am.
You stated:
"The fact remains that we have no evidence he ever was questioned".
Wrong. There is the evidence - supplied by the Mirror - that Maltese Officials confirmed he had been questioned.
Of course you would choose to disbelieve it, just as you would if it had been published in the Times, the Guardian or the Telegraph. Why the Mirror would lie about such a thing is probably part of the great big McCann conspiracy going on in your head, but in the real world I can think of no reason for such a lie.
Which sources of news (apart from Blacksmith's blog and those by other random "sceptics") have the Faithlilly stamp of approval out of interest?
I think there is a measure of cherry picking going on when it is decided what sources are allowed to be brought into the equation without derisory comment.
Scotland Yard made it plain right at the beginning of the investigation that there would be no running commentary.
In the early days there was a real fear of antagonising the Portuguese authorities which might have endangered the continuation of the investigation; the press were warned that ill advised reporting might have that effect.
I think this has carried over into press investigation of Roderick McDonald. They are getting nothing from SY ... but getting information from Maltese officials isn't covered by any restriction and is the sort of thing I would expect a tabloid reporter worth his salt to do.
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Not from a source that you consider acceptable, so until Blacksmith tells us it happened I guess not...
I'll make it simple for you Alfie. Have OG confirmed that they have questioned this man ?
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I'll make it simple for you Alfie. Have OG confirmed that they have questioned this man ?
No but Maltese officials confirmed it to a Mirror journo. Either that, or he made it up for reasons which are unclear - take your pick
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He is being defended from the suggestion that he had anything to do with sex attacks on the Algarve, despite the fact that he lived there and is a known paedophile - why is that?
Please try harder to answer the question posed and not answer a question you have made up.
PONG
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Please try harder to answer the question posed and not answer a question you have made up.
PONG
Yes you do - badly.
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Yes you do - badly.
Press this button here and that motor over there will fire up.
Nice to see you remain wired up the same way Alf.
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No but Maltese officials confirmed it to a Mirror journo. Either that, or he made it up for reasons which are unclear - take your pick
An unnamed Maltese official.
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I think there is a measure of cherry picking going on when it is decided what sources are allowed to be brought into the equation without derisory comment.
Scotland Yard made it plain right at the beginning of the investigation that there would be no running commentary.
In the early days there was a real fear of antagonising the Portuguese authorities which might have endangered the continuation of the investigation; the press were warned that ill advised reporting might have that effect.
I think this has carried over into press investigation of Roderick McDonald. They are getting nothing from SY ... but getting information from Maltese officials isn't covered by any restriction and is the sort of thing I would expect a tabloid reporter worth his salt to do.
fine by me because such action makes the comment and conclusions reached derisory
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An unnamed Maltese official.
So? Do you think it unlikely that Operation Grange were interested in this paedo? If so, kindly explain your reasons for thinking this.
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they are not culpable...it's about time you came to terms with the truth
Of course they are culpable, for leaving their children in unnecessary danger.
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I think it is called being accurate.
When he was picked up, he had been living in a camp site in Olhão (eastern Algarve) for 2 months, if the camp site owner can be trusted.
To be accurate, I don't know precisely when he entered the Algarve, though from memory he was tracked because he bought and drove a motor home from the UK to Portugal. I think that was shortly before he was picked up here.
He seems to have spent a considerable number of months in Lisbon prison before the deportation came through.
So, he's in the wrong area of Portugal at the wrong time. Plus there is nothing to suggest that he was in Portugal for the period spanning 2004-2010.
Other than that, we appear to have one source concluding from this that he was living in the nearby area when Madeleine disappeared.
Take your pick.
Precisely. Post of the day.
As to whether he was or wasn't living in the area at the time vis a vis hm being responsible, is a bit moot anyway, seeing as the serial burglar/molester was said to have had a foreign accent and dark skin, If he was questioned it will not have been as a suspect but a potential informer IMO.
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I think you may be mixing up your paedophiles, wasn't that Hewitt?
No. From an earlier thread on the same topic.
misty:
--- Quote from: Anna on November 13, 2014, 11:02:23 PM ---When he disappeared in 2010 from UK, he got a ferry to spain, with I assume the motorhome that he bought in Brighton. There has been a lot of police time put into catching this man.
28.06.2010
Child abuse suspect 'seen on CCTV' in Sussex
Mr Robinson has been extradited to Australia where he faces trial
A man suspected of child abuse in Australia and New Zealand has been traced from CCTV images in Sussex.
Roderick Robinson, 72, is charged with sex offences in Australia and New Zealand but failed to answer bail and returned to England in November.
His motorhome was seen on CCTV in Brighton, before he caught a ferry from Portsmouth to Spain.
Mr Robinson was finally arrested in Portugal. He is now in Australia where he faces trial.
'Brighton connection'
He is accused of attacking a nine-year-old girl in Sydney in 1999.
He has also been charged with child sex offences in New Zealand.
Det Ch Insp John Geden, of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said: "We identified that there was a connection to the Brighton area so we visited Sussex Police and they were able to trawl through their CCTV images.
"The breakthrough came really when they found an image of the motorhome that we believed, and intelligence told us, that Mr Robinson purchased."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10437678
His camper and leaving court in Malta......
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No. From an earlier thread on the same topic.
misty:
--- Quote from: Anna on November 13, 2014, 11:02:23 PM ---When he disappeared in 2010 from UK, he got a ferry to spain, with I assume the motorhome that he bought in Brighton. There has been a lot of police time put into catching this man.
28.06.2010
Child abuse suspect 'seen on CCTV' in Sussex
Mr Robinson has been extradited to Australia where he faces trial
A man suspected of child abuse in Australia and New Zealand has been traced from CCTV images in Sussex.
Roderick Robinson, 72, is charged with sex offences in Australia and New Zealand but failed to answer bail and returned to England in November.
His motorhome was seen on CCTV in Brighton, before he caught a ferry from Portsmouth to Spain.
Mr Robinson was finally arrested in Portugal. He is now in Australia where he faces trial.
'Brighton connection'
He is accused of attacking a nine-year-old girl in Sydney in 1999.
He has also been charged with child sex offences in New Zealand.
Det Ch Insp John Geden, of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said: "We identified that there was a connection to the Brighton area so we visited Sussex Police and they were able to trawl through their CCTV images.
"The breakthrough came really when they found an image of the motorhome that we believed, and intelligence told us, that Mr Robinson purchased."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10437678
His camper and leaving court in Malta......
OK my apologies, it seems a bit of a trend, paedos and camper vans.
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The truth often hurts Alfie.
I think it ha got to the stage when the only person hurt by the disgusting comments is the person making them...to be consumed by vitriol is not a pleasant place to be
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The truth often hurts Alfie.
But it is not true, instead it is truly disgusting to say that I desperately want Madeleine to be in the hands of a paedophile. You'd have to be truly warped to think that.
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But it is not true, instead it is truly disgusting to say that I desperately want Madeleine to be in the hands of a paedophile. You'd have to be truly warped to think that.
agreed
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But it is not true, instead it is truly disgusting to say that I desperately want Madeleine to be in the hands of a paedophile. You'd have to be truly warped to think that.
I said you were desperately trying to put not that you wanted Madeleine in the hands of a paedophiles. Why else would you want to prove a connection between OG and this evil reprobate and what he may know ?
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I said you were desperately trying to put not that you wanted Madeleine in the hands of a paedophiles. Why else would you want to prove a connection between OG and this evil reprobate and what he may know ?
Try and understand this Faithlilly. I do not want Madeleine to have ever been abducted by paedophiles, the thought of it absolutely sickens me. TBH, it would be far more palatable to believe that she fell off the sofa and got chucked in the bin by a panicked parent, perhaps that is why some people prefer to believe it happened this way because they cannot bear to contemplate other, more disturbing scenarios. Others comfort themselves with the belief that she was taken by a childless couple and is currently well and loved by them, despite the fact that they are not her real parents. Others think she wandered off by herself, never to be seen again, an almost supernatural and poetic scenario which allows the believer the luxury or not having to contemplate any particular grisly ending for the child.
I am a realist. I think if a child disappears in the night and the set of circumstances point to abduction by a stranger then I think it's most likely an abductor had malevolent intentions towards her, most probably of a sexual nature. I believe that all the evidence points to the fact that this is in line with Operation Grange's thinking too. Therefore, if newspaper reports suggest that The Met is keen to interview known paedophiles who have links with the Algarve then I think that is perfectly understandable, reasonable and almost certainly true. Robinson is just one of those blokes. He may not be a likely candidate for abductor (and I have never suggested otherwise) but he may have valuable information for police officers investigating sex crimes in the Algarve which possibly may have a link to Madeleine's disappearance.
I hope that fully explains my position, and that I won't have anymore of these disgusting accusations tossed my way.
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Try and understand this Faithlilly. I do not want Madeleine to have ever been abducted by paedophiles, the thought of it absolutely sickens me. TBH, it would be far more palatable to believe that she fell off the sofa and got chucked in the bin by a panicked parent, perhaps that is why some people prefer to believe it happened this way because they cannot bear to contemplate other, more disturbing scenarios. Others comfort themselves with the belief that she was taken by a childless couple and is currently well and loved by them, despite the fact that they are not her real parents. Others think she wandered off by herself, never to be seen again, an almost supernatural and poetic scenario which allows the believer the luxury or not having to contemplate any particular grisly ending for the child.
I am a realist. I think if a child disappears in the night and the set of circumstances point to abduction by a stranger then I think it's most likely an abductor had malevolent intentions towards her, most probably of a sexual nature. I believe that all the evidence points to the fact that this is in line with Operation Grange's thinking too. Therefore, if newspaper reports suggest that The Met is keen to interview known paedophiles who have links with the Algarve then I think that is perfectly understandable, reasonable and almost certainly true. Robinson is just one of those blokes. He may not be a likely candidate for abductor (and I have never suggested otherwise) but he may have valuable information for police officers investigating sex crimes in the Algarve which possibly may have a link to Madeleine's disappearance.
I hope that fully explains my position, and that I won't have anymore of these disgusting accusations tossed my way.
I understand perfectly Alfie.
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http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14097869.Paedophile_pensioner_who_changed_his_name_so_he_could_flee_to_Malta_and_watch_child_porn_jailed/#comments-anchor
23 Nov 2015
Flora Thompson Argus_FloraT
A PAEDOPHILE pensioner who changed his name so he could flee to Malta to watch child porn undetected has gone to jail.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was handed a three year and eight month prison sentence on Friday at Brighton Crown Court after being extradited back to Sussex in October.
Previously known as Robinson and of Upper Rock Gardens, Brighton, he was handed a 12 month prison sentence suspended for two years in September 2012 for touching two girls aged five and seven on a yacht in Sussex in June that year.
He was prohibited contact with under 18s as part of a Sexual Offence Prevention Order which meant he was a registered sexual offender for life.
But a month later he changed his name to Macdonald by deed poll and left the UK, breaching the court orders by not telling police and probation officers of his travel plans.
He was tracked down in Malta in October 2014 by Brighton and Hove detectives and the National Crime Agency and arrested with a European warrant.
He appeared at a Maltese court and pleaded guilty to importing and possessing indecent images of children found on his computer at the time and was sent to jail there for 18 months.
When he left prison Robinson, now of no fixed address, was flown back to Gatwick Airport and appeared in court admitting failure to notify foreign travel before leaving the UK, failure to notify change of name, and failure to notify change of address, all in October 2012, which are all requirements of being a registered sex offender.
Of his 44 month sentence, 32 were imposed for breaching the terms of his sex offender registration requirement and 12 months related to his breach of a suspended sentence.
Detective chief inspector Pierre Serra, of Sussex Police, said Macdonald was caught as a result of "close co-operation" between a number of crime agencies, including the Crown Prosecution Service, the National Crime Agency (NCA), and law enforcement overseas.
A NCA spokesman said its Child Exploitation On-Line Protection Centre tracked MacDonald's movements and found his permanent address in Malta.
He added: "This case reflects the ongoing activity of the NCA in tackling the threat of transnational child sex offenders."
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Looking back at the previous research on this man, I'm still none the wiser about who he really is. Did he change his birth name from MacDonald to Robinson at some stage if the story about the Maltese mother is true and then change it again by deed poll back to MacDonald?
The police seem to have gone to an enormous amount of trouble to locate a man only given a 12 month suspended sentence in this country.
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Was he in PDL that night? If not then it's irrelevant
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Was he in PDL that night? If not then it's irrelevant
I don't know. Maybe if we knew what name he was using in 2007 it would be a start. His yacht could have been moored in Lagos. Maybe he knew Hewlett & was on a campsite with him......all I can say is he must have a little more UK history than touching 2 youngsters.
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http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14097869.Paedophile_pensioner_who_changed_his_name_so_he_could_flee_to_Malta_and_watch_child_porn_jailed/#comments-anchor
23 Nov 2015
Flora Thompson Argus_FloraT
A PAEDOPHILE pensioner who changed his name so he could flee to Malta to watch child porn undetected has gone to jail.
Roderick MacDonald, 77, was handed a three year and eight month prison sentence on Friday at Brighton Crown Court after being extradited back to Sussex in October.
Previously known as Robinson and of Upper Rock Gardens, Brighton, he was handed a 12 month prison sentence suspended for two years in September 2012 for touching two girls aged five and seven on a yacht in Sussex in June that year.
He was prohibited contact with under 18s as part of a Sexual Offence Prevention Order which meant he was a registered sexual offender for life.
But a month later he changed his name to Macdonald by deed poll and left the UK, breaching the court orders by not telling police and probation officers of his travel plans.
He was tracked down in Malta in October 2014 by Brighton and Hove detectives and the National Crime Agency and arrested with a European warrant.
He appeared at a Maltese court and pleaded guilty to importing and possessing indecent images of children found on his computer at the time and was sent to jail there for 18 months.
When he left prison Robinson, now of no fixed address, was flown back to Gatwick Airport and appeared in court admitting failure to notify foreign travel before leaving the UK, failure to notify change of name, and failure to notify change of address, all in October 2012, which are all requirements of being a registered sex offender.
Of his 44 month sentence, 32 were imposed for breaching the terms of his sex offender registration requirement and 12 months related to his breach of a suspended sentence.
Detective chief inspector Pierre Serra, of Sussex Police, said Macdonald was caught as a result of "close co-operation" between a number of crime agencies, including the Crown Prosecution Service, the National Crime Agency (NCA), and law enforcement overseas.
A NCA spokesman said its Child Exploitation On-Line Protection Centre tracked MacDonald's movements and found his permanent address in Malta.
He added: "This case reflects the ongoing activity of the NCA in tackling the threat of transnational child sex offenders."
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Looking back at the previous research on this man, I'm still none the wiser about who he really is. Did he change his birth name from MacDonald to Robinson at some stage if the story about the Maltese mother is true and then change it again by deed poll back to MacDonald?
The police seem to have gone to an enormous amount of trouble to locate a man only given a 12 month suspended sentence in this country.
Good that he got 44 months this time. That will keep him out of mischief and allow the police plenty of time to find out any other misdeeds he might be guilty of ... in the UK, maybe in PT ... and in the rest of the world
ETA: I wonder what his real name is too .... and if Roderick MacDonald is not his real name, then who is he? Does he even look like the photo that is supposedly of Roderick MacDonald aka Robinson ?