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ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2016, 10:33:07 PM »
Youre still missing the point ferryman and havent answered my question from yesterday

Why do you accept gerrys dna was was found on the key fob but dont accept madeleines dna was found behind the sofa

You didnt need to go off on one about guilt, bad dogs etc

My post 104 as a reminder

From John Lowe's report, here is the only reference I can find to the sofa:

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Weak and incomplete DNA results which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from cellular material on the wet and dry swabs (14A & B} from the back of the sofa.

A weak and incomplete DNA result which showed indications of having originated from more than one person was obtained from cellular material on the dry swab (15A) from the back of the sofa.

A DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people and which appeared to have originated from at least two males who had contributed the majority of the DNA was obtained from cellular material obtained from the wet swab of the sofa (15B). in my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that Gerald McCann or Madeline McCann contributed DNA to this result. The DNA from this swab has not been subjected to LCN DNA profiling tests.


Offline Brietta

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2016, 11:04:30 PM »
Eddie's inspection in the garage
15h27 - the dog 'marked' car number 4 - Renault Scenic - rental vehicle currently used by Gerry
and Kate McCann.

Thus, the Renault Scenic vehicle was moved to parking level -3 and subjected to an expert examination by officers from the Police Science Laboratory.

Keela's inspection in the garage ... after Eddie's alert and after a forensic examination of the vehicle which had been moved to another area.

  ... and another canine inspection that began at 03h49 on 7 August 2007 by the dog Keela, that detects traces of human blood, it having been verified the following result:
03h53 - the dog 'marked' an area of the lower right-hand side of the interior part of the baggage compartment of the car;
04h11 - the dog 'marked' the 'tidy' compartment [map/glove pocket] on the side of the driver's door,which was found to contain the car key, the plastic electronic card type, with a key-ring of the Budget rental company.

In order to confirm that the dog had effectively 'marked' the car key, that was found in the map/glove pocket on the side of the driver's door, at 04h13, that key was retrieved from the car and concealed in a place far distant from the vehicle on parking level -3 of the underground car park.
At 04h14, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.

New inspection by Eddie

At 04h50, a new inspection was performed by Eddy on the parking level -4 where the above car key was concealed in an area far distant from the vehicle.
At 04h51, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2187.jpg


It is self evident that on the second inspection carried out by Eddie that he had access to the same vehicle to which he had alerted ... but did not repeat his alert at the vehicle or that would have been recorded.
He did alert to the hidden key fob which was placed at some distance from the vehicle.

Therefore it is conclusive that Eddie alerted only to the key fob.  He alerted to nothing within the vehicle ... not even showing interest in " the lower right-hand side of the interior part of the baggage compartment" indicated by Keela either on his first inspection nor on his second.

  • KEELA: indicated two areas within the car ~ the boot and the door compartment housing the key.
    When the key was removed and hidden ... she found that
  • EDDIE: on his first inspection alerted at the door with the compartment which held the key fob
    on his second inspection he is recorded as only reacting to the key hidden some distance away


It is interesting that Levy chose to edit that sequence out ... and in the video published on the internet, retained only Eddie barking at the car door in his first inspection.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2016, 11:37:43 PM »
From John Lowe's report, here is the only reference I can find to the sofa:

Why did you feel the need to go and look when i already told you to read post 104 where i quoted the two lowe report quotes? And asked you why is there any difference?

« Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 11:18:48 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #123 on: November 22, 2016, 02:15:55 PM »
In respect of the vehicle inspections, the point is often (and rightly!) made that the Renault was hired 3 weeks after Madeleine vanished.

But 7 other vehicles in the (nominal!) 'line-up' of 10 were owned or driven by people never arguidos in the process.

Why?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #124 on: November 22, 2016, 05:01:20 PM »
In respect of the vehicle inspections, the point is often (and rightly!) made that the Renault was hired 3 weeks after Madeleine vanished.

But 7 other vehicles in the (nominal!) 'line-up' of 10 were owned or driven by people never arguidos in the process.

Why?

If you read the files they tell you why. All the vehicles could have been available to the arguidos.
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ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #125 on: November 22, 2016, 08:08:28 PM »
If you read the files they tell you why. All the vehicles could have been available to the arguidos.

Can you provide a cite?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2016, 07:10:40 AM »
Can you provide a cite?
Does it really matter?
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Offline jassi

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2016, 08:33:26 AM »
Does it really matter?

Of course it doesn't, unless one is an obsessive.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #128 on: November 23, 2016, 08:50:48 AM »
If you read the files they tell you why. All the vehicles could have been available to the arguidos.

Still waiting for a cite?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #129 on: November 23, 2016, 03:48:09 PM »
It's the reason why these vehicles were included. To cover all possibilities believe it or not.

On page 2327, is the report of the exams of the home and some of the vehicles of ROBERT MURAT and, on page 2348, the report of the exam of the car belonging to SERGEY MALINKA, an individual of interest given his relationship with ROBERT MURAT, not having been uncovered, however, anything of a criminal nature.

On pages 2360 to 2371, is the report of the vehicles belonging to LUÌS ANTÒNIO, with whom, also, ROBERT MURAT had an acquaintance. Nothing suspicious was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

On 6th August 2007 at about 15.17 a sniffer dog inspection was carried out of the following cars that had been placed for this purpose in the underground car park mentioned previously:

Vehicle n? 1 ? Opel Corsa ? number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle n? 2 ? Fiat Punto ? number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle n? 3 ? Peugeot 205 ? number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle n? 4 ? Renault Scenic ? number plate ? 59-DA-27
Vehicle n? 5 ? Skoda Fabia ? number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle n? 6 ? Volkswagon Transporter ? number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle n? 7 ? Nissan Patrol ? number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle n? 8 ? Volkswagon Passat ? number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle n? 9 ? Audi A4 ? number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle n? 10 ?Renault Kangoo ? number plate 07-50-UI

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

Vehicle 1: Blue Opel Corsa*- hire car (James Gorrod)
 
Vehicle 2: Fiat Punto (Ralph Eveleigh – Murat's uncle)

Vehicle 3: Peugot 205 (Robert Murat)

Vehicle 4: Renault Scenic - hire car (The McCanns)

Vehicle 5: Skoda Fabia (Michaela Walczuch)

Vehicle 6: Volkswagen Transporter (Jenny Murat)

Vehicle 7: Nissan Patrol (Luís António)

Vehicle 8: Volkswagen Passat (Luís António)

Vehicle 9: Audi A4 (Sergey Malinka)

Vehicle 10: Renault Kangoo (Luís António)
« Last Edit: November 23, 2016, 03:53:21 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfie

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #130 on: November 23, 2016, 04:02:10 PM »
Does it really matter?
I'm interested.  I didn't realise the McCanns had a fleet of vehicles at their disposal.

Offline Lace

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #131 on: November 23, 2016, 04:07:30 PM »
Wouldn't a rented car have all sorts of smells in it?

I remember watching I think it might have been Top Gear or something years ago,   where they really examined a second hand car to see what they could find,  the results were horrendous,  all sorts of body fluids.

It was a similar car show -

Challenge 3: Forensic analysis. Each car was subjected to forensic analysis and the least constaminated car would win. Rutledge's car was found to be full of animal hair, urine, seminal fluid and traces of animal feces. Adam's car was full of vomit and blood, (though he states that's to be expected in a taxi), while Tanner's car is shown to be the most contaminated with dead skin cells, unknown protein-rich substance, mucous and staphylococcus bacteria. Afterwards, all three hosts try methods to protect themselves from the contaminants. Winner: Adam

It was ridiculous to have inspections of a rented car,   not only because who would transport a body weeks old, which is a disgusting thought,  but many other people would have used it and the scent from these other people would be in the car.

Same goes for 5a after the apartment was allowed to be let to other families before they had the dogs in.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2016, 04:33:55 PM by Lace »

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #132 on: November 23, 2016, 04:35:57 PM »
Wouldn't a rented car have all sorts of smells in it?

I remember watching I think it might have been Top Gear or something years ago,   where they really examined a second hand car to see what they could find,  the results were horrendous,  all sorts of body fluids.

It was a similar car show -

Challenge 3: Forensic analysis. Each car was subjected to forensic analysis and the least constaminated car would win. Rutledge's car was found to be full of animal hair, urine, seminal fluid and traces of animal feces. Adam's car was full of vomit and blood, (though he states that's to be expected in a taxi), while Tanner's car is shown to be the most contaminated with dead skin cells, unknown protein-rich substance, mucous and staphylococcus bacteria. Afterwards, all three hosts try methods to protect themselves from the contaminants. Winner: Adam

It was ridiculous to have inspections of a rented car,   not only because who would transport a body weeks old, which is a disgusting thought,  but many other people would have used it and the scent from these other people would be in the car.

Same goes for 5a after the apartment was allowed to be let to other families before they had the dogs in.

Very likely.

It seems as if all these vehicles were fill-ins for some other purpose.

Offline Brietta

Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #133 on: November 23, 2016, 05:51:42 PM »
It's the reason why these vehicles were included. To cover all possibilities believe it or not.

On page 2327, is the report of the exams of the home and some of the vehicles of ROBERT MURAT and, on page 2348, the report of the exam of the car belonging to SERGEY MALINKA, an individual of interest given his relationship with ROBERT MURAT, not having been uncovered, however, anything of a criminal nature.

On pages 2360 to 2371, is the report of the vehicles belonging to LUÌS ANTÒNIO, with whom, also, ROBERT MURAT had an acquaintance. Nothing suspicious was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

On 6th August 2007 at about 15.17 a sniffer dog inspection was carried out of the following cars that had been placed for this purpose in the underground car park mentioned previously:

Vehicle n? 1 ? Opel Corsa ? number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle n? 2 ? Fiat Punto ? number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle n? 3 ? Peugeot 205 ? number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle n? 4 ? Renault Scenic ? number plate ? 59-DA-27
Vehicle n? 5 ? Skoda Fabia ? number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle n? 6 ? Volkswagon Transporter ? number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle n? 7 ? Nissan Patrol ? number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle n? 8 ? Volkswagon Passat ? number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle n? 9 ? Audi A4 ? number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle n? 10 ?Renault Kangoo ? number plate 07-50-UI

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

Vehicle 1: Blue Opel Corsa*- hire car (James Gorrod)
 
Vehicle 2: Fiat Punto (Ralph Eveleigh – Murat's uncle)

Vehicle 3: Peugot 205 (Robert Murat)

Vehicle 4: Renault Scenic - hire car (The McCanns)

Vehicle 5: Skoda Fabia (Michaela Walczuch)

Vehicle 6: Volkswagen Transporter (Jenny Murat)

Vehicle 7: Nissan Patrol (Luís António)

Vehicle 8: Volkswagen Passat (Luís António)

Vehicle 9: Audi A4 (Sergey Malinka)

Vehicle 10: Renault Kangoo (Luís António)

Hyundai vehicle registration number 60-AX-86 is missing from this list:  why would that be?

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At 17h09 he enters the premises of the car rental agency "Auto Vermietung - auto rent III" in the Largo da Igreja [church square], Luz.
About 17h16 the observed person leaves the rent-a-car and gets into a vehicle, Hyundai Getz, blue, licence 60-AX-86, going to Rua 1 de Maio where he stops next to the pastelaria "Dom Doce", entering this place accompanied by the bench lady.
At 17h48 the observed person goes in the Hyundai and stops in Rua Direita where he goes to "Batista" supermarket.
At 17h58 he leaves "Batista" proceeding to the EN125 and later to the A22, Portimao direction [direction: from West to East].
At 18h26 he parks the vehicle in the car park next to the Portimonense stadium in Portimao and, now on foot, at 18h31 enters the premises of the police.
At 20h52 he leaves the police station, goes to the vehicle and proceeds to Lagos.
At 21h16 he stops next to number 8 Rua Adelina ... Lagos and collects a woman who was waiting there for him. Then he proceeds in the direction of Praia da Luz and Burgau.
At 21h37 he goes along the detour of Praia da Cabana Velha, turns round and enters the Restaurant "D. Dinis".
At 23h35 the observed person, together with the woman, leaves the restaurant returning to Praia da Luz in the vehicle, there going ahead of him the other vehicle already referred to, the Peugeot, licence RI-96-03, which was transporting the elderly lady who was on the bench.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm#p4p986
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Inspections ....
« Reply #134 on: November 25, 2016, 11:35:14 AM »
Where is the evidence that all the vehicles (distinct from just the Renault Scenic and the vehicles belonging to Murat) could have been available to the arguidos?