Luke Mitchell supporters plan to protest outside Scottish Parliament.

[Nicholas]

it is interesting - both this protest and the change.org petition seem to have the objective of side-stepping legal process as it stands. neither is advocating for a change in a law, as far as i know - just for an exception to existing legal procedure

imo this means the change.org petition falls foul of their own community guidelines, somethng for another discussion perhaps

will be interesting to who is willing to associate their face with it if it does go ahead

I don’t ‘follow’ James English but do you think he might be there too - in full PPE of course ?

[WakeyWakey]

I don’t ‘follow’ James English but do you think he might be there too - in full PPE of course ?

unlikely in my opinion, he'll never back a gammy horse, only in it for the views, and sells himself on being a "neutral" "just asking the real questions". poundland joe rogan

[William Wallace]

Sorry to disappoint those who think he did it. I'm afraid it would have been impossible for no trace of DNA to be found at the scene AND in his house despite 3 forensic searches. The timeline is also impossible and most of us know it was moved to create a window where he could have done it. The time of the murder is reasonably accurate at 5.15pm as the cyclist heard noises from over the wall. Someone please explain how LM could have walked back to his house and arrived between 525 and 530pm cleaned himself up, then be seen by several other young people near the Newbattle Abbey at 545pm? He cleaned himself up in 15 minutes and nobody saw him walking up his road full of people returning from work and children outside playing? At one time a year ago I actually thought he did do it, but the above proves otherwise. The person who did this did not walk back along the path in either direction, they exited by heading across the field towards Newbattle College and the golf club where the wooded area is much bigger and denser. The person who did this was Stocky Man. It doesn't need Inspector Clouseau to work that out.

[WakeyWakey]

Someone please explain how LM could have walked back to his house and arrived between 525 and 530pm cleaned himself up, then be seen by several other young people near the Newbattle Abbey at 545pm? He cleaned himself up in 15 minutes and nobody saw him walking up his road full of people returning from work and children outside playing?

forensic scientist derek scrimger giving evidence at the trial

Mr Scrimger said: "Possibly the assailant would have been behind, standing for example."

"What many people fail to realise is that at the time of the assault there may not have been much blood there. There wouldn't necessarily be any blood on the assailant."

Forensic Science: An Introduction to Scientific and Investigative Techniques
Stuart H. James, Jon J. Nordby Ph.D., Suzanne Bell, Lana J Williams

Chapter 4.8

4.8 Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence
In many cases, the presence of bloodstains originating from the victim and found
on the clothing or person of a suspect is powerful evidence to link the suspect to the
violent act. It must be pointed out that the absence of blood spatter on a suspect or
his clothing does not preclude his or her active participation in a bloodshed event. It
is possible to beat, stab, or shoot someone without being spattered with blood, and
exceptions to this rule are few. Unfortunately, many defense attorneys attempt to
offer the absence of blood spatter on their clients as proof of lack of participation.
From a review of the scientific literature and from practical experience, it is not
uncommon for an assailant to have little if any blood on his or her person after committing a violent crime.

important to listen to scientific experience here rather than instinct

[Brietta]

Sorry to disappoint those who think he did it. I'm afraid it would have been impossible for no trace of DNA to be found at the scene AND in his house despite 3 forensic searches. The timeline is also impossible and most of us know it was moved to create a window where he could have done it. The time of the murder is reasonably accurate at 5.15pm as the cyclist heard noises from over the wall. Someone please explain how LM could have walked back to his house and arrived between 525 and 530pm cleaned himself up, then be seen by several other young people near the Newbattle Abbey at 545pm? He cleaned himself up in 15 minutes and nobody saw him walking up his road full of people returning from work and children outside playing? At one time a year ago I actually thought he did do it, but the above proves otherwise. The person who did this did not walk back along the path in either direction, they exited by heading across the field towards Newbattle College and the golf club where the wooded area is much bigger and denser. The person who did this was Stocky Man. It doesn't need Inspector Clouseau to work that out.

Why wasn’t Luke’s DNA on Jodi?
Luke’s DNA was actually found on her bra and her DNA was found on Luke’s trousers but in an agreement between the Crown and his defence team, led by Donald Findlay QC, it was decided the issue of DNA wasn’t relevant as the pair were in an intimate relationship.

The Crown weren’t going to say DNA made him the killer as it was expected his DNA would be on Jodi. DNA in this case wouldn’t prove innocence or guilt, it was irrelevant to the case.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/jodi-jones-key-questions-evidence-19950020

[Nicholas]

forensic scientist derek scrimger giving evidence at the trial

Forensic Science: An Introduction to Scientific and Investigative Techniques
Stuart H. James, Jon J. Nordby Ph.D., Suzanne Bell, Lana J Williams

Chapter 4.8

important to listen to scientific experience here rather than instinct

Hall claimed he didn’t have any visible blood on him

[Nicholas]

Why wasn’t Luke’s DNA on Jodi?
Luke’s DNA was actually found on her bra and her DNA was found on Luke’s trousers but in an agreement between the Crown and his defence team, led by Donald Findlay QC, it was decided the issue of DNA wasn’t relevant as the pair were in an intimate relationship.

The Crown weren’t going to say DNA made him the killer as it was expected his DNA would be on Jodi. DNA in this case wouldn’t prove innocence or guilt, it was irrelevant to the case.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/jodi-jones-key-questions-evidence-19950020

There wasn’t any of Halls DNA on JA either

Amd he spent some time at the SOC after

[Venturi Swirl]

Sorry to disappoint those who think he did it. I'm afraid it would have been impossible for no trace of DNA to be found at the scene AND in his house despite 3 forensic searches. The timeline is also impossible and most of us know it was moved to create a window where he could have done it. The time of the murder is reasonably accurate at 5.15pm as the cyclist heard noises from over the wall. Someone please explain how LM could have walked back to his house and arrived between 525 and 530pm cleaned himself up, then be seen by several other young people near the Newbattle Abbey at 545pm? He cleaned himself up in 15 minutes and nobody saw him walking up his road full of people returning from work and children outside playing? At one time a year ago I actually thought he did do it, but the above proves otherwise. The person who did this did not walk back along the path in either direction, they exited by heading across the field towards Newbattle College and the golf club where the wooded area is much bigger and denser. The person who did this was Stocky Man. It doesn't need Inspector Clouseau to work that out.

15 minutes is plenty of time to remove one set of clothes and put on another, wash face, and hands and rinse through hair.

[Nicholas]

Mr Derek Scrimger giving evidence at Luke Mitchell’s murder trial said:


“Possibly the assailant would have been behind, standing for example."

"What many people fail to realise is that at the time of the assault there may not have been much blood there. There wouldn't necessarily be any blood on the assailant."


What was it those 2 ex cops turned PI’s hired for the show said?

[faithlilly]

forensic scientist derek scrimger giving evidence at the trial

Forensic Science: An Introduction to Scientific and Investigative Techniques
Stuart H. James, Jon J. Nordby Ph.D., Suzanne Bell, Lana J Williams

Chapter 4.8

important to listen to scientific experience here rather than instinct

Then why burn the parka?

You really can’t have it both ways.

[Venturi Swirl]

Then why burn the parka?

You really can’t have it both ways.

Better safe than sorry.  He wouldn’t have known for certain whether or not there was a speck of Jodi’s blood on it somewhere.

[Paranoid Android]

Sorry to disappoint those who think he did it. I'm afraid it would have been impossible for no trace of DNA to be found at the scene AND in his house despite 3 forensic searches. The timeline is also impossible and most of us know it was moved to create a window where he could have done it. The time of the murder is reasonably accurate at 5.15pm as the cyclist heard noises from over the wall. Someone please explain how LM could have walked back to his house and arrived between 525 and 530pm cleaned himself up, then be seen by several other young people near the Newbattle Abbey at 545pm? He cleaned himself up in 15 minutes and nobody saw him walking up his road full of people returning from work and children outside playing? At one time a year ago I actually thought he did do it, but the above proves otherwise. The person who did this did not walk back along the path in either direction, they exited by heading across the field towards Newbattle College and the golf club where the wooded area is much bigger and denser. The person who did this was Stocky Man. It doesn't need Inspector Clouseau to work that out.

Case closed, folks.

Tell us more about Stocky Man, please?

[Nicholas]

Better safe than sorry.  He wouldn’t have known for certain whether or not there was a speck of Jodi’s blood on it somewhere.

And plenty of time to collect the remnants - zipper, buttons etc and dispose of away from home

Also Corrine Mitchell claimed in the frontline doc her log burner was only used for burning logs

Elsewhere it’s been claimed dead plants and leaves were burnt in it

[faithlilly]

And plenty of time to collect the remnants - zipper, buttons etc and dispose of away from home

Also Corrine Mitchell claimed in the frontline doc her log burner was only used for burning logs

Elsewhere it’s been claimed dead plants and leaves were burnt in it

Why not burn the rest of his clothes, if there was the chance there may be blood on them, especially his shoes?

[Nicholas]

Why not burn the rest of his clothes, if there was the chance there may be blood on them, especially his shoes?

Maybe he did - maybe he didn’t need to if the jacket covered everything else?

We don’t hear much about his footwear do we