Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!

[John]

Is glory hunter Starmer any better?

[Myster]

Is glory hunter Starmer any better?

He's bet on himself winning, that's for sure.

[Venturi Swirl]

I falsely represented nothing and it’s time you owned your postings.

You claimed I said that Corbyn was not to blame for Labour’s defeat.  That is a blatant lie.  Why did you say it?

[Venturi Swirl]

Said the woman who has just lost her job as an MP. Of course they did Caroline...course they did ( BTW she didn’t like Gordon Brown either ) Indeed it must have smarted to have been rejected by the membership in favour of Corbyn in the 2015 leadership election.

Corbyn’s ‘perceived’ lack of patriotism...hmmmm.

Would you describe Corbyn as a patriot?  Why do you think RBL is making a big deal of emphasising “progressive paatriotism”?  Whether you like it or not, Corbyn was perceived by many in the electorate as someone who despises his country and our allies and who sucks up to our enemies. Flint is absolutely right.  Apart from being too kind, too honest and too saintly diid you not think Jeremy had any faults as a leader at all?

[Venturi Swirl]

Is glory hunter Starmer any better?

It’s a poor field that’s for sure.

[faithlilly]

You claimed I said that Corbyn was not to blame for Labour’s defeat.  That is a blatant lie.  Why did you say it?

You said RLB’s accession to the leadership position would mean Labour would be out of government for a generation thereby admitting that Corbyn wasn’t the problem....his socialist policies, carried forward by RLB, I presume you think, are.

[faithlilly]

Would you describe Corbyn as a patriot?  Why do you think RBL is making a big deal of emphasising “progressive paatriotism”?  Whether you like it or not, Corbyn was perceived by many in the electorate as someone who despises his country and our allies and who sucks up to our enemies. Flint is absolutely right.  Apart from being too kind, too honest and too saintly diid you not think Jeremy had any faults as a leader at all?

Why do you think Corbyn was perceived in this way ? And why going forward will RLB get exactly the same treatment by our press.....those are the real questions that need to be asked ?

Corbyn’s faults as leader....not following his own path on Brexit and not being tough enough on dissenters like Flint ( whose support of Labour Friends of Israel is coincidental to your support for her I’m sure)

[faithlilly]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-conservative-party-anti-semitism-crisis-nobody-talks-about/06/12/#.Xh2StSyehxk.facebook

[Venturi Swirl]

You said RLB’s accession to the leadership position would mean Labour would be out of government for a generation thereby admitting that Corbyn wasn’t the problem....his socialist policies, carried forward by RLB, I presume you think, are.

Corbyn had the lowest personal rating of any labour leader in recent history.  Why is that do you think?  RLB may well be tainted by association and imo will prove equally as ineffectual as a leader as Corbyn if she wins it, and yes the crazy “promise you the Earth with a cherry on top” socialist policies are all part of it.  Britian doesn’t really embrace Corbyn’s version of socialism in case you hadn’t noticed.

[Venturi Swirl]

Why do you think Corbyn was perceived in this way ? And why going forward will RLB get exactly the same treatment by our press.....those are the real questions that need to be asked ?

Corbyn’s faults as leader....not following his own path on Brexit and not being tough enough on dissenters like Flint ( whose support of Labour Friends of Israel is coincidental to your support for her I’m sure)

So why did you “hmmmmm” at Flint’s statement about Corbyn’s lack of patriotism then?  Obviously he is perceived as not patriotic and Flint is right, isn’t she?  Tell us all the ways in which Corbyn demonstrated his love of his country, its history and its place in the world then.  And what was “his own path on Brexit” - did anyone ever find out?  Not that it matters a jot now, but what a wimp out for a so-called leader that was! 

[faithlilly]

Corbyn had the lowest personal rating of any labour leader in recent history.  Why is that do you think?  RLB may well be tainted by association and imo will prove equally as ineffectual as a leader as Corbyn if she wins it, and yes the crazy “promise you the Earth with a cherry on top” socialist policies are all part of it.  Britian doesn’t really embrace Corbyn’s version of socialism in case you hadn’t noticed.

Mmmmm...why did he had the lowest personal rating of any Labour leader in recent history....let me think....could it be that he’s faced the most aggressive campaign of vilification by the, mostly, right wing British media in recent times ? Naahhh...it must be that this man of integrity, who was  awarded the McBride International Peace Prize for his work https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/12/why-no-beano-about-corbyn-peace-award....truly is as evil as we are lead to believe.

[Venturi Swirl]

Mmmmm...why did he had the lowest personal rating of any Labour leader in recent history....let me think....could it be that he’s faced the most aggressive campaign of vilification by the, mostly, right wing British media in recent times ? Naahhh...it must be that this man of integrity, who was  awarded the McBride International Peace Prize for his work https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/12/why-no-beano-about-corbyn-peace-award....truly is as evil as we are lead to believe.

Of course, I should have known.  St Jeremy is practically perfect in every way and cannot be blamed for anything at all.  Boris and Jo Swinson meanwhile were uncritically praised to the hilt by the media, Ed Miliband too, as I recall, was not remotely mocked, derided or scorned by the press when he was labour leader, oh and Mrs May was held aloft by the press, wasn’t she?.   No, only poor old victimized Jeremy.  Whoever claimed he was evil btw?  Misguided, yes, unpatriotic, yes, more interested in the plight of the Palestinians than the interests of the poor working class of his own country, yes.  But shush, behold the blessed Peacegiver and his prize who achieved precisely nothing of any lasting worth that I can discern. 

[faithlilly]

Of course, I should have known.  St Jeremy is practically perfect in every way and cannot be blamed for anything at all.  Boris and Jo Swinson meanwhile were uncritically praised to the hilt by the media, Ed Miliband too, as I recall, was not remotely mocked, derided or scorned by the press when he was labour leader, oh and Mrs May was held aloft by the press, wasn’t she?.   No, only poor old victimized Jeremy.  Whoever claimed he was evil btw?  Misguided, yes, unpatriotic, yes, more interested in the plight of the Palestinians than the interests of the poor working class of his own country, yes.  But shush, behold the blessed Peacegiver and his prize who achieved precisely nothing of any lasting worth that I can discern.

You are far too clever to use those factious arguments.

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/the-vilification-of-jeremy-corbyn
https://renegadeinc.com/for-how-long-will-corporate-media-vilify-mr-corbyn/

[Venturi Swirl]

You are far too clever to use those factious arguments.

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/the-vilification-of-jeremy-corbyn
https://renegadeinc.com/for-how-long-will-corporate-media-vilify-mr-corbyn/

If you truly believe that Corbyn’s personality, historical affiliations, etc were not in any way to blame for him being the least popular Labour leader in recent times, and that it was all because the right wing media vilified him, then you will  also have to accept that Long Bailey doesn’t stand a chance of ever being elected, not any other labour leader who champions far left policies.  In fact Labour may as well all pack it in now, if that is what you truly believe.

[faithlilly]

If you truly believe that Corbyn’s personality, historical affiliations, etc were not in any way to blame for him being the least popular Labour leader in recent times, and that it was all because the right wing media vilified him, then you will  also have to accept that Long Bailey doesn’t stand a chance of ever being elected, not any other labour leader who champions far left policies.  In fact Labour may as well all pack it in now, if that is what you truly believe.

I think you may very well be right, unfortunately. The only Labour government we have had in the last 40 years is the only Labour government in the last 40 years who have had the unqualified support of Murdoch and the ring-wing press....that says it all.