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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1125 on: January 20, 2020, 05:41:20 PM »
Could it be much worse ?

Ask those  those in the Gulag archipelago

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1126 on: January 20, 2020, 05:50:16 PM »
So if not here, where do you think what you call ‘caring capitalism’ is working ?
I’ll tell you though I did think I’d made it clear I had nothing more to say on the subject, but first perhaps you could answer the question I asked you twice yesterday which you ignored, concerning the list of socialist states I posted a link to.  Pick all the ones where the introduction of socialism has resulted in a dramatic drop in poverty.  When you have supplied me with the answer I may feel inclined to continue the discussion, meanwhile....
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1127 on: January 20, 2020, 05:59:04 PM »
” An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich; a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the third test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, all failed and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that.
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1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

I’ll make one final point. There are five morals to the story, but there are dozens of nations giving us real-world examples every day.

Sort of makes you wonder why some people still believe this nonsense?“

Daniel J. Mitchell is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute, the free-market, Washington D.C. think tank. His articles are cross-posted on his blog, by agreement
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1128 on: January 20, 2020, 10:13:53 PM »
Ask those  those in the Gulag archipelago

At the get fed...no depending on food banks for them.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1129 on: January 20, 2020, 10:16:11 PM »
I’ll tell you though I did think I’d made it clear I had nothing more to say on the subject, but first perhaps you could answer the question I asked you twice yesterday which you ignored, concerning the list of socialist states I posted a link to.  Pick all the ones where the introduction of socialism has resulted in a dramatic drop in poverty.  When you have supplied me with the answer I may feel inclined to continue the discussion, meanwhile....

If only  &%54%
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1130 on: January 20, 2020, 10:23:38 PM »
If only  &%54%
If only you could find an example of a socialist country on the list that has managed to address the issue of poverty through its policies you mean?

Listen love, if you ask me a question whilst simultaneously praying that I don’t reply what does that make you exactly?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1131 on: January 20, 2020, 10:24:55 PM »
At the get fed...no depending on food banks for them.
???
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1132 on: January 20, 2020, 10:25:31 PM »
If only you could find an example of a socialist country on the list that has managed to address the issue of poverty through its policies you mean?

Listen love, if you ask me a question whilst simultaneously praying that I don’t reply what does that make you exactly?

Bolivia which has drastically cut extreme poverty and has the highest GDP growth rate in South America.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1133 on: January 20, 2020, 10:33:05 PM »
Bolivia which has drastically cut extreme poverty and has the highest GDP growth rate in South America.
Not on the list of socialist states.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1134 on: January 20, 2020, 10:41:01 PM »
“By definition, socialism is state control of the means of production. In Venezuela, between 2002 and 2012, 1,168 private companies were expropriated, or taken over by the state. In Bolivia, between 2005 and 2015, only 20 private companies had been commandeered by the government. Sure, neither of these numbers are admirable, but a lot less damage can be done to a country when it chooses socialism-lite over the full-blown variety.

True, Bolivia does have a generous welfare state, but while this may be an aspect that comes with socialism, the redistribution of wealth is only a supporting feature and not a defining characteristic of this economic philosophy. This puts Bolivia in the same camp as Nordic countries, that, while praised for being examples socialist success stories, are actually using the fruits of basically capitalist economies to fund their welfare states”.

https://fee.org/articles/why-bolivia-is-not-a-socialist-success-story/
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1135 on: January 20, 2020, 11:47:55 PM »
Not on the list of socialist states.

Are you saying Bolivia is not a socialist state ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1136 on: January 20, 2020, 11:52:29 PM »
“By definition, socialism is state control of the means of production. In Venezuela, between 2002 and 2012, 1,168 private companies were expropriated, or taken over by the state. In Bolivia, between 2005 and 2015, only 20 private companies had been commandeered by the government. Sure, neither of these numbers are admirable, but a lot less damage can be done to a country when it chooses socialism-lite over the full-blown variety.

True, Bolivia does have a generous welfare state, but while this may be an aspect that comes with socialism, the redistribution of wealth is only a supporting feature and not a defining characteristic of this economic philosophy. This puts Bolivia in the same camp as Nordic countries, that, while praised for being examples socialist success stories, are actually using the fruits of basically capitalist economies to fund their welfare states”.

https://fee.org/articles/why-bolivia-is-not-a-socialist-success-story/

Fee.org.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foundation-for-economic-education/

No surprise there then.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1137 on: January 21, 2020, 07:27:02 AM »
Fee.org.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foundation-for-economic-education/

No surprise there then.
Thanks for the link which reveals
“A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check”.
Bolivia has a mixed economy, it’s certainly got some socialist policies and is left leaning.  It has not however rejected capitalism (yet) and has been successfully tackling some of its serious social issues (it is still however one of the poorest countries on earth).  I seem to recall that Venezuela was successful for a while in this regard before it all went pear shaped.  My examples of caring capitalism can be found in Scandanavia to which the article I mentioned likened Bolivia.  In truth most successful countries have some social welfare policies but continue to embrace capitalism and a free market economy.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1138 on: January 21, 2020, 10:59:32 AM »
Thanks for the link which reveals
“A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check”.
Bolivia has a mixed economy, it’s certainly got some socialist policies and is left leaning.  It has not however rejected capitalism (yet) and has been successfully tackling some of its serious social issues (it is still however one of the poorest countries on earth).  I seem to recall that Venezuela was successful for a while in this regard before it all went pear shaped.  My examples of caring capitalism can be found in Scandanavia to which the article I mentioned likened Bolivia.  In truth most successful countries have some social welfare policies but continue to embrace capitalism and a free market economy.

And that wasn’t what Corbyn was advocating in what way ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1139 on: January 21, 2020, 03:36:28 PM »
And that wasn’t what Corbyn was advocating in what way ?
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His manifesto was a complete fantasy that would certainly have bankrupted the country if it had been implemented imo, he was also an admirer of some extreme socialist states and therefore not to be trusted, and the electorate concurred.  He is history, his persona and his politics roundly rejected, there’s really nothing more to say (though I’m prepared to place a small wager that you’ll find something).
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly