The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

Utterly incredible and astonishing!   How can this self-styled "detective" get facts of this case so wrong?!

From the belief that Nevill had been shot six times in the head, when he had received only four bullets there, as well as two to his jaw, one to his left shoulder and one to his left arm... to the utterly ludicrous assertion that Detective Superintendent Mike Ainsley thought Sheila Caffell was the culprit, whereas in fact he was a leader of the team which actually nailed and jailed Bamber!

Mark Williams Thomas seems only interested in ££££££££££

[Nicholas]

Don’t you think Mark Newby is already part of the ‘cult’ that is the ‘wrongful conviction arena?’

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/21e7258c-2461-4a1f-af60-bbfb885de507

According to Joe Stone QC who has been instructed by Bamber https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/joe-stone-qc-instructed-jeremy-bamber-launches-court-challenge-cps-withholding-evidence

Unwinnable” Cases Can Be Won
‘The so called "Unwinnable cases" are won on the basis of sound trial preparation, a genuine proactive defence and incisive cross-examination on the live issue at trial. So many Crown Court defences fail at trial because these 3 golden rules are simply not observed for a whole raft of reasons.

It is critical for any trial advocate to get a focussed DCS (defence case statement) out at an early stage which seeks core secondary disclosure documents. DCS with bland denials and endless shopping lists of items are all too commonplace and rarely effective. A good DCS should be a weapon in the defence armoury that should immediately put the prosecution on the backfoot not one that has the CPS lawyer yawning and reaching for a cup of coffee.

A sound case strategy, knowledge of the best experts to instruct for the specific case facts, a clear understanding of crime scenes (via views), a detailed understanding of evidence, early case conferences with clients/experts to identify the weaknesses on both prosecution/defence sides are all essential for the advocate that is truly interested in securing an acquittal for the client.

Defences which are put together as reactive last minute affairs are rarely robust and never immune from effective prosecution cross-examination. The defence should be the party that truly sets the parameters in which the trial is fought not the other way around.

If these rules are truly adhered to experience shows again and again (that like the Sonnex case) the unwinnable case on paper becomes the winnable case at trial. Those who ignore them (for whatever reason) will inevitably reduce the probability of an acquittal.

(Joe Stone QC - Doughty Street Chambers)
http://www.mojuk.org.uk/MOJUK%202015/Joe%20Stone.html

[Nicholas]

Don’t you think Mark Newby is already part of the ‘cult’ that is the ‘wrongful conviction arena?’

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/21e7258c-2461-4a1f-af60-bbfb885de507

Jeremy Bamber quite clearly presents with a pathological need for attention, though unlike Ian Lawless he’s yet to confess to the murders

“Lawless was convicted of murder after making various "confessions" to third parties, including regulars in a pub and a taxi driver,
His conviction was later ruled unsafe after fresh medical evidence revealed he had a "pathological need for attention".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-21204099

Ian Lawless was represented by Mark Newby. More on Ian Lawless here https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-town-fan-who-cleared-1187985

‘Friend’ of Jeremy Bamber Michael O’Brien of the so called Cardiff Newsagent 3 had his murder conviction quashed alongside his co defendants based on similar ‘fresh evidence’ to that in the Ian Lawless case.

[Nicholas]

Andrew_S_Hatton
@Andrew_S_Hatton
This utterly convinces me that the #WhiteHouseFarm TV Drama is an attempt to keep #JeremyBamber in #prison & it seems #ITV was duped, they best commission a new documentary to examine the evidence available & report what it is claimed is withheld
https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew_S_Hatton/status/1218195029233106945

[Venturi Swirl]

Apparently, a suppressor doesn't mark the bullet.

If that is the case then why do the police say a silencer was used?  Sorry, I realise this is Bamber 101 to most of you.

[Nicholas]

Yes I understand what you are saying but imo Bambers burnt all his bridges as have the CT and the blue forum

So why did solicitor advocate Mark Newby really decide to take up the ‘disclosure issue’ in the Jeremy Bamber case?

[Nicholas]

I added ".......at the moment" purely because I've no idea what MIGHT happen in the future, Steph. With the CT giving their blessing to sick and thoughtless schemes, a forum who upholds him as a cross between Little Lord Fauntleroy and the Archangel Gabriel, and a legal team that seems to be struggling to put together anything cohesive, who knows what tomorrow may hold?

“Disclosure problems still exist in more than half of all prosecutions, review finds”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/09/disclosure-problems-still-exist-half-prosecutions-review-finds/

“Untold damage' caused by failure to properly disclose evidence in court cases, review finds”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-cases-evidence-collapse-liam-allan-disclosure-review-damage-police-prosecutors-a8635896.html

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber quite clearly presents with a pathological need for attention, though unlike Ian Lawless he’s yet to confess to the murders

“Lawless was convicted of murder after making various "confessions" to third parties, including regulars in a pub and a taxi driver,
His conviction was later ruled unsafe after fresh medical evidence revealed he had a "pathological need for attention".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-21204099

Ian Lawless was represented by Mark Newby. More on Ian Lawless here https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-town-fan-who-cleared-1187985

‘Friend’ of Jeremy Bamber Michael O’Brien of the so called Cardiff Newsagent 3 had his murder conviction quashed alongside his co defendants based on similar ‘fresh evidence’ to that in the Ian Lawless case.

Dr Michael Naughton states here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VBzW5_7xtI4 @ around 10.10

“I’ve written several articles about harm”

“.....we don’t won’t errors because they are harmful, there is a progressive dynamic element to errors, if you are open to embracing the error and learning from it”

No mention of the Simon Hall case no mention of ‘innocent fraud’ instead he refers to the Michael O’Brien case stating,

“it’s changed English law 5 times”

So what impact do these law changes have on the British criminal justice system and the factually innocent? which I don’t believe Michael O’Brien to be

Michael O’Brien stated earlier this year,

“We should also not forget the victims of crime in my case the killer is still free after 31 years and that bothers me just as much as my wrongful conviction.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/mobrien1967/status/1123860684058562561[/color]

Interesting how Michael O’Brien tells us ‘we should also not forget the victims of crime’ than focuses on ‘the killer’

Are these his unconscious thoughts perhaps? Is ‘the killer’ to whom Michael O’Brien refers the ‘victim’ he has become?

Who murdered Philip Saunders if Michael O'Brien, Darren Hall and Ellis Sherwood allegedly didn’t and who’s investigating ‘innocence fraud?’

Why does Michael O’Brien support Jeremy Bamber? What’s his motivation?

“Jeremy bamber has served 33 years in prison for a crime he did not commit join me tomorrow at 8pm on Richie  Allen show to hear of the injustice done to him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mobrien1967/status/962975190274715649?lang=en-gb[/color]

link to the above interview https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2018-02-13T13_09_38-08_00 (Starts at approx 35.00)

I’m of the opinion it’s a smokescreen and Michael O’Brien does what he does in the hope the truth won’t be uncovered about the identity of Philip Saunders factual murderer/s and of the ‘innocent fraud’ being perpetuated in the UK

[Nicholas]

Patron Michelle Diskin Bates claims, ‘In 1982 I watched this unfold on the news throughout the night till I couldn’t stay up any longer. In the morning all were dead

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@mindful_vinyl
 and
@Bambertweets
I understand but I will watch-then I can point out every inaccuracy to my friends and others.
In 1982 I watched this unfold on the news throughout the night till I couldn’t stay up any longer. In the morning all were dead. Jeremy’s conviction made no sense-it still doesn’t 😡
2:36 PM · Dec 31, 2019·Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1212019723665387520

Other evidence shows windows at the farm may have been opened after 3.30am and lights turned off between 4am and 5am.

"Mr Newby said: “Because I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t necessarily say it isn’t anything other than it was Sheila.

These things shouldn’t have been happening at those times if it was Jeremy. So it causes a real worry.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-says-new-evidence-21321566

Dear dear dear 

Mark Newby
@MarkNewbyqsj
35m
ITV are scheduled to broadcast a drama series on Jeremy Bamber “White House Farm” . This is our statement on behalf of our client , in view of pending judicial review proceedings there will be no further comment
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkNewbyqsj/status/1206867123118706693

We will not be making any further comment in view of the ongoing case before the Court .
https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2019/12/jeremy-bamber-itv-drama-statement

[Nicholas]

Other evidence shows windows at the farm may have been opened after 3.30am and lights turned off between 4am and 5am.

"Mr Newby said: “Because I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t necessarily say it isn’t anything other than it was Sheila.

These things shouldn’t have been happening at those times if it was Jeremy. So it causes a real worry.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-says-new-evidence-21321566

Dear dear dear 

Matthew Young
@MatthewYoung7
EXCL Jeremy Bamber claims from his prison cell that new evidence proves there was life inside White House Farm while he was stood outside with police https://mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-says-new-evidence-21321566
https://mobile.twitter.com/MatthewYoung7/status/1219387121326329857

[Myster]

Matthew Young
@MatthewYoung7
EXCL Jeremy Bamber claims from his prison cell that new evidence proves there was life inside White House Farm while he was stood outside with police https://mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-says-new-evidence-21321566
https://mobile.twitter.com/MatthewYoung7/status/1219387121326329857

More like old damp squibs which burn themselves out than explosive new evidence.

[Nicholas]

More like old damp squibs which burn themselves out than explosive new evidence.

According to Scott Lomax

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
58m
It's a great article with important new evidence that is capable of belief, was not seen by the trial jury, and has the potential to cast doubt on the conviction. The evidence meets the criteria for a referral to the Court of Appeal.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1219558364528750592

[Nicholas]

Other evidence shows windows at the farm may have been opened after 3.30am and lights turned off between 4am and 5am.

"Mr Newby said: “Because I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t necessarily say it isn’t anything other than it was Sheila.

These things shouldn’t have been happening at those times if it was Jeremy. So it causes a real worry.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-says-new-evidence-21321566

Dear dear dear 

Solicitor advocate Mark Newby stated,

Dec 2019
“in view of pending judicial review proceedings there will be no further comment”

&

Jan 2020
“We will not be making any further comment in view of the ongoing case before the Court “

and now he’s apparently saying,

“Because I haven’t received evidence that contradicts it, I can’t necessarily say it isn’t anything other than it was Sheila.

These things shouldn’t have been happening at those times if it was Jeremy. So it causes a real worry.”

Messy

[Myster]

If you propagate your deceitful message long enough and loud enough, the gullible will begin to believe it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7910941/Jeremy-Bamber-speaks-prison-say-ultimate-alibi-White-House-Farm-murders.html

[Nicholas]

If you propagate your deceitful message long enough and loud enough, the gullible will begin to believe it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7910941/Jeremy-Bamber-speaks-prison-say-ultimate-alibi-White-House-Farm-murders.html

As Johns Collins said,


“There seems to be an honesty deficit within the innocence movement. Exactly how prevalent fraudulent or improper tactics are used to secure exonerations can only be speculated.
Most journalists don’t consider innocent activists to be the subject of scrutiny, but rather an opportunity for social activism.
Much time has passed since the right questions should have been asked by the right people.”


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZEOwDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=the+innocence+audit+john+collins&source=bl&ots=fhmDu8plLg&sig=ACfU3U09uGshMgCx69Hb4-AliIFb6pDXfA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7t4W45ZTnAhWuUhUIHR_kCc4Q6AEwA3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20innocence%20audit%20john%20collins&f=false