Barry George revisited.

[Nicholas]

I've never read anything about the history of this coat ie where it was purchased from?  Was it purchased new or second-hand?  It looks fairly shabby in the pics I've seen and not shabby chic!  Was it ever washed/dry cleaned?

What was said during the trial?

[Holly Goodhead]

What were the arguments put forward re contamination?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/23/jilldando.stevenmorris

I think also in one of the docus I listened to MM also mentioned cross contamination at the lab too.

[Nicholas]

Forensic Scientist Angela Shaw explained how they (scientists) estimate that 1 in 100 people will inadvertently pick up a single gsr particle.

Angela Shaw referred to a probability fallacy

[Holly Goodhead]

What was said during the trial?

As I said I haven't heard anything about the coats history. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Angela Shaw referred to a probability fallacy

In what context?

[Holly Goodhead]

There's a few recent interesting stories about him online.

https://popularcrime.com/2019/04/25/what-happened-to-barry-george-did-he-go-to-prison-for-killing-jill-dando-and-did-he-receive-compensation/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sister-acquitted-jill-dando-murder-14578144.amp#click=https://t.co/xyiO85vNqE

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-25/jill-dando-barry-george-murder-documentary/

I know he has a previous conviction for attempted rape but the article refers to sexual offences plural?

Was he actually stalking women?  I know he was following women around and photographing them in the street but if he was actually stalking women to the degree they felt uncomfortable then surely at least one or two would have reported to the police?  Did the prosecution call any witnesses at trial to this effect?

[Nicholas]

How can Angela Shaws probability fallacy not be contaminated by confirmation bias given she knows about the Barry George case evidence?

Dr Ian Evett would have also been contaminated by confirmation bias given he sat through Barry George’s first trial and his notes were picked up on in 2006 by the CCRC.

[Nicholas]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/23/jilldando.stevenmorris

I think also in one of the docus I listened to MM also mentioned cross contamination at the lab too.

What was put forward during trial?

[Nicholas]

As I said I haven't heard anything about the coats history.

Quite possible then that each time Barry George put his hand in his coat pocket, gun shot residue was removed and deposited elsewhere?

[Nicholas]

In what context?

What context do you think?

[Nicholas]

Dr Ian Evett would have also been contaminated by confirmation bias given he sat through Barry George’s first trial and his notes were picked up on in 2006 by the CCRC.

And what more evidence of proof of contamination of confirmation bias is there than this:

“The scientist who helped convict Barry George of the murder of Jill Dando said yesterday that "with hindsight" he would have testified differently at George's trial, since at that time he was unaware of the likely consequence of his evidence.
Robin Keeley worked for the Forensic Science Service (FSS) for more than 30 years and pioneered the identifying of firearms discharge residue.

Yesterday he acknowledged to the appeal court that, by itself, a particle of residue he had identified in the pocket of George's coat, when he was arrested almost a year after the TV presenter was shot, in no way linked George to her killing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/07/ukcrime.jilldando

[Nicholas]

And what more evidence of proof of contamination of confirmation bias is there than this:

“The scientist who helped convict Barry George of the murder of Jill Dando said yesterday that "with hindsight" he would have testified differently at George's trial, since at that time he was unaware of the likely consequence of his evidence.
Robin Keeley worked for the Forensic Science Service (FSS) for more than 30 years and pioneered the identifying of firearms discharge residue.

Yesterday he acknowledged to the appeal court that, by itself, a particle of residue he had identified in the pocket of George's coat, when he was arrested almost a year after the TV presenter was shot, in no way linked George to her killing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/07/ukcrime.jilldando

Then factor in the work of Norman Fenton et al - When neutral evidence still has probative value (Barry George case)

[Nicholas]

Quite possible then that each time Barry George put his hand in his coat pocket, gun shot residue was removed and deposited elsewhere?

Leaving only one behind

What number did Hamish Campbell rate the GSR?

[Nicholas]

And what more evidence of proof of contamination of confirmation bias is there than this:

“The scientist who helped convict Barry George of the murder of Jill Dando said yesterday that "with hindsight" he would have testified differently at George's trial, since at that time he was unaware of the likely consequence of his evidence.
Robin Keeley worked for the Forensic Science Service (FSS) for more than 30 years and pioneered the identifying of firearms discharge residue.

Yesterday he acknowledged to the appeal court that, by itself, a particle of residue he had identified in the pocket of George's coat, when he was arrested almost a year after the TV presenter was shot, in no way linked George to her killing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/07/ukcrime.jilldando

Is this allowed?

The news article is dated the 7th November 2007, the Court of Appeal reserved judgement and didn’t announce the quashing of the conviction until the 15 November 2007.

[John]

Is this allowed?

I have to agree that it is very odd that a particle of gun shot residue (GSR) allegedly found in Barry George's coat pocket was 'identical' to others found on the head and clothing of the victim Jill Dando. Sounds very much like contamination to me?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2001/may/09/broadcasting.jilldando