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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #750 on: May 10, 2019, 11:40:50 AM »
According to Michelle Diskin Bates her brother remains under MAPPA (23rd October 2018) 
Apparently, “being under MAPPA has seriously affected Barry’s ability to access help for his PTSD.
 


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Denial - In the psychological sense, denial is a defense mechanism in which a person, faced with a painful fact, rejects the reality of that fact. ... When a person is in denial, they engage in distractive or escapist strategies to reduce stress and help them cope. The effect upon psychological well-being in doing this is unclear

From a psychoanalytical viewpoint, denial is a pathological, ineffective defense mechanism..On the other hand, according to the stress and coping model, denial can be seen as an adaptive strategy to protect against overwhelming events and feelings."

Therein is the appeal of denial to humans. Denial allows someone to keep going unchanged despite reality. Denial is the path of psychological and moral least resistance.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/the_odd_body_denial/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #751 on: May 10, 2019, 06:50:34 PM »
An unusual pattern: Is Benjamin Geen a killer or England's unluckiest man?
“Norman Fenton is a professor of risk management information at Queen Mary London University.
And Ben Geen, he says, might be the victim of what he terms an 'exaggerated coincidence'.
'What you've got is apparently a highly unusual sequence of events happening at this particular hospital.
'If you looked at that individually—what is the probability that this particular nurse would be present at 18 respiratory arrest events at the same hospital within such a short period of time—the probability is incredibly low.'
But Fenton is 'almost certain' that similar patterns would have occurred in a given two-month period in thousands of hospitals across the UK.
'Think of it this way,' Fenton says. 'In most hospitals, the nurses tend to be on duty for at least 50 to 70 per cent of the recorded time.
'For any given nurse to be present at all of those events is still—again—a very, very low probability.
'But what you've got is, let's say, 100 nurses at any given hospital where one of these sequence of events has been observed—again, there is quite a high probability that at least one of them would have been present at all, in this case 18, such events.'
In other words, statistically speaking, Geen won the lottery twice—but it was the wrong kind of lottery.
When Geen's team appealed his conviction on statistical grounds, the court didn't agree with Hutton or Fenton's analyses, arguing that there was no need to statistically validate the opinion evidence of experts.
It's worth noting: neither Hutton nor Fenton were arguing that Geen was innocent, merely making the case for greater statistical rigour.
The court claimed that 'academic statistical opinion, however distinguished, is divorced from the actual facts'.
After all, real people—patients, jurors, healthcare professionals in the high pressure environment of A and E—have to react to a lot more than raw data.
But in the case of Geen, what were they reacting to?
The spectre of Harold Shipman still very much haunts the UK healthcare system.
Shipman, nicknamed 'Dr Death', is the most prolific serial killer on record—arrested in 1998 and sentenced to life in prison by 2000, he was confirmed by an inquiry to have killed 218 of his patients, though it's suspected the true number could be as high as 250.
Shipman hanged himself in his cell on 13 January, 2004—just 23 days before the two patients that sparked the Horton General Hospital investigation suffered respiratory arrest.
'Since the Shipman inquiry, as soon as there's an accusation, you've got to think dirty,' says Dr Wendy Hesketh, who is writing a book about medico-crime.
'If you don't, you could find yourself having to answer as to why you didn't do a full investigation.'
Hesketh points out that in Geen's case very few incidences of respiratory deaths were considered suspicious when they occurred.
'Beforehand, they weren't flagged up to anyone, no one was suspicious, no one thought that there was any untoward behaviour or that anyone had been unlawfully killed.
'All of a sudden you've got this team who are actually potential witnesses themselves, and they are talking to each other and reinforcing their own suspicions.
Read more here: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/benjamin-geen-an-unusual-pattern/7287620


Ben Geen: another possible case of miscarriage of justice and misunderstanding statistics?
http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-ben-geen-case-another-miscarriage.html

https://www.crcpress.com/Risk-Assessment-and-Decision-Analysis-with-Bayesian-Networks/Fenton-Neil/p/book/9781138035119

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/

If Ben Geen is innocent and “England’s unluckiest man” ergo Barry George is guilty!

https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2016/03/hrt_20160328_1730.mp3

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2013/09/barry-george-case-new-insights-on.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #752 on: May 10, 2019, 07:42:06 PM »
Michelle Diskin Bates
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html
" it was well after midnight on August 6th 1985 and I couldn’t sleep. Switching on the T.V., I absent-mindedly tuned into a news channel. We were living in Co. Cork, in Southern Ireland, and I was joyfully awaiting the birth of our first child who was already overdue, making me feel restless; that was why I was up and about at such an hour.

Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm.

As police talked to Jeremy Bamber outside the farmhouse where his family lay dying, was the real killer still inside?
“He told the Observer: 'I know I was outside with the police when they saw someone moving around in the house, when they were talking to someone in the house, when they saw my sister in the kitchen, when they went into the house.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1352116/As-police-talked-convicted-murderer-Jeremy-Bamber-outside-farmhouse-family-lay-dying-real-killer-inside.html
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #753 on: May 11, 2019, 11:15:27 AM »
Gun murder man Paul Cleeland loses judicial review
“In the latest proceedings, Cleeland compared his case to that of Barry George, who was cleared of Jill Dando's murder after doubt was cast on the reliability of gunshot residue evidence.
His defence team also produced a report by independent expert Dudley Gibbs concluding there was "a high probability that the murder weapon was different from the one cited" in the original trial.
Lord Justice Simon said while firearms residue analysis had developed considerably since 1973, the Barry George decision did "not throw significant light on the issue".
He said the CCRC had no time to respond to Mr Gibbs's report and refused an application to include it, adding: "If there was substance in the point as a matter of scientific analysis, which we doubt, it could and should have been raised long ago."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48230378

http://www.dudleygibbs.com/

The CCRC document said: "There is no complete proof that the G&M gun fired the wadding found at the scene. However, the totality of the evidence does provide a link between the gun, the claimant and the murder."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47446150


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Gun murder man Paul Cleeland loses judicial review - BBC News

No review over gun murder conviction
Paul Cleeland has been fighting to clear his name of Terry Clarke's murder for more than 45 years.
bbc.co.uk
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1127146363312062464
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #754 on: May 11, 2019, 11:33:31 AM »
Gun murder man Paul Cleeland loses judicial review
“In the latest proceedings, Cleeland compared his case to that of Barry George, who was cleared of Jill Dando's murder after doubt was cast on the reliability of gunshot residue evidence.
His defence team also produced a report by independent expert Dudley Gibbs concluding there was "a high probability that the murder weapon was different from the one cited" in the original trial.
Lord Justice Simon said while firearms residue analysis had developed considerably since 1973, the Barry George decision did "not throw significant light on the issue".
He said the CCRC had no time to respond to Mr Gibbs's report and refused an application to include it, adding: "If there was substance in the point as a matter of scientific analysis, which we doubt, it could and should have been raised long ago."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48230378

http://www.dudleygibbs.com/

The CCRC document said: "There is no complete proof that the G&M gun fired the wadding found at the scene. However, the totality of the evidence does provide a link between the gun, the claimant and the murder."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47446150


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Gun murder man Paul Cleeland loses judicial review - BBC News

No review over gun murder conviction
Paul Cleeland has been fighting to clear his name of Terry Clarke's murder for more than 45 years.
bbc.co.uk
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1127146363312062464

”Like Barry George'
At a hearing in July, Cleeland's counsel Edward Fitzgerald QC compared his client's case to that of Barry George, who was cleared at a retrial of the murder of Jill Dando after doubt was cast on the reliability of gunshot residue evidence.
Mr Fitzgerald said forensic evidence in Cleeland's case - including that given by Scotland Yard firearms experts John McCafferty - had been discredited.
He said: "Once you take a bit of evidence like that away, even if there is other evidence, as was the case in Barry George, it still leaves an unsafe verdict."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46265662


“Cleeland has the backing of Paddy Hill, one of the Birmingham Six, who founded the Miscarriages of Justice Organisation (MOJO) after his own wrongful conviction for the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings was quashed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44520554
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #755 on: May 11, 2019, 01:01:21 PM »
Paul Cleeland
”Like Barry George'
At a hearing in July, Cleeland's counsel Edward Fitzgerald QC compared his client's case to that of Barry George, who was cleared at a retrial of the murder of Jill Dando after doubt was cast on the reliability of gunshot residue evidence.
Mr Fitzgerald said forensic evidence in Cleeland's case - including that given by Scotland Yard firearms experts John McCafferty - had been discredited.
He said: "Once you take a bit of evidence like that away, even if there is other evidence, as was the case in Barry George, it still leaves an unsafe verdict."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46265662


“Cleeland has the backing of Paddy Hill, one of the Birmingham Six, who founded the Miscarriages of Justice Organisation (MOJO) after his own wrongful conviction for the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings was quashed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44520554

They infilitrate pressure groups in Russia, China, Germany, America and also in the U.K. It all makes sense no. Craigie and his superior Cleeland were assigned by M15 to infiltrate then report back to their political masters. They prob on another undercover mission already. The people of Greece and Syria are discontent so it possible they been sent there. Can just see them disguised as Arabs on a camel infiltrating these groups like they do over here. It is a disgrace

Hanratty was innocent.

Michael Gregsten and Valerie Storie were defecting to Russia in 1961. It was during the cold war and these places were under surveillance by security. Their intentions were known. The person who was responsible was Peter Alfonso, who occasionally was used by the security services to do their dirty work. The DNA was planted, as Hanratty and Alfonso once shared a room in a bed and breakfast. Paul Cleeland knew Alfonso !

“Mr Clegg had barely started his argument when a man stood up in the public gallery behind him and delivered an impassioned attack on the QC for failing to put the case across properly. "This man is not doing his job," he shouted before he was led out.
He turned out to be Paul Cleeland, who was jailed for murder back in 1972 and who is still trying to prove his innocence, after being released after serving 26 years. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/06/ukcrime.jilldando

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1982/apr/29/mr-paul-cleeland
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #756 on: May 11, 2019, 03:12:45 PM »
Michael Bourke Uncle of Barry George stated:

Stalker, rapist and sex prowler - July 2001
“THE true enormity of the crimes and perversions of Barry George can finally be disclosed following his conviction for planning and executing the murder of Jill Dando.

George was found guilty by a 10-1 majority yesterday of shooting Miss Dando, one of the most popular TV presenters of modern times, as she crouched in terror on her doorstep.

The trial judge, Mr Justice Gage, told him: "You are unpredictable and dangerous and are likely to remain so for some time to come. There can be no doubt that it was premeditated. Why you did it will never be known: it is probable that you yourself could give no rational explanation."

As the judge sentenced him to life imprisonment, George (41), raised his eyebrows and swayed slightly. Pausing only to pick up a copy of the Bible that he had kept at his side throughout the 36-day trial, he bit his lower lip hard and was led away to the cells beneath the Old Bailey.

After they had returned their verdict, the six women and five men who remained on the jury after one member was discharged looked staggered as Det Supt Hamish Campbell, who led the inquiry, outlined George's previous convictions.

Mr Campbell told the court that George had raped a woman in 1982 - he pleaded guilty to attempted rape - and that he had previous convictions for indecent assault and for impersonating a police officer.

George also raped his Japanese wife Itsuko Toide, who left him after 11 months of a marriage filled with violence and intimidation. In an interview published today, she gives a remarkable insight into the mind of a man filled with rage and hatred of women.

George met Miss Toide after she had suffered a sexual assault herself and was feeling highly vulnerable. They married after a romance lasting four months. Almost immediately he began subjecting her to a series of sexual and physical attacks at the cramped ground-floor council flat that they shared in Crookham Road, Fulham.

The jury was not allowed to know that George had a long history of stalking women in the area where Miss Dando lived, although detectives found clear evidence that he had followed at least 419 women in Fulham, taking 2,597 photographs of them.

The judge also ruled during pre-trial legal argument that the jury should not learn that George had been arrested in 1983 while prowling in the grounds of Kensington Palace, close to the private apartments of the Prince and Princess of Wales, clad in camouflage fatigues and wielding a commando knife.

Despite these revelations, George's defence team announced they were to launching an immediate appeal.

One possible ground for appeal may be the discovery that one of the prosecution witnesses, Charlotte de Rosnay, 29, was involved for a while in a relationship with a member of the murder squad, Detective Constable Peter Bartlett.

Miss Dando (37) was murdered as she arrived at her home in Fulham, southwest London, on the morning of Monday April 26, 1999.

(The Times, London)

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/stalker-rapist-and-sex-prowler-26079016.html



According to Michelle Diskin Bates her brother remains under MAPPA (23rd October 2018) 
Apparently, “being under MAPPA has seriously affected Barry’s ability to access help for his PTSD.
 


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Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
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Absolutely not acceptable, this puts a child/parent through hell a second time.
‘Dad’ rights for rapists must end, says Rotherham child sex grooming scandal victim

A VICTIM of the Rotherham child sex grooming scandal is backing the Daily Express crusade to End This Injustice.
express.co.uk

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1127212333875462144



Miss Woodhouse, based in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, said: “Rapists should not get access to people they have harmed. We want all the support we can get.

“When I went public, it took me months to go through the messages, it went crazy.

“There should not be so many of us going through this. I am in quite a fortunate situation because of the platform I have.

“People have gone to prison to support their children, their lives have been made absolute hell. The first thing you want to do is to love and protect your child.

“They are not just ignoring me – they are putting other mothers at risk as well.”

The Daily Express has highlighted the case of a mother and her two children, both under 10, being controlled by their paedophile father from behind bars.



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Grandiose sense of self-importance

Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur

Exploits others without guilt or shame

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #758 on: May 11, 2019, 05:10:15 PM »


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
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Absolutely not acceptable, this puts a child/parent through hell a second time.
‘Dad’ rights for rapists must end, says Rotherham child sex grooming scandal victim

A VICTIM of the Rotherham child sex grooming scandal is backing the Daily Express crusade to End This Injustice.
express.co.uk

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1127212333875462144


Hannah
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Michelle, she used to go on crime sprees with him and got pregnant twice by him.

She is far from innocent.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1127212333875462144
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #759 on: May 12, 2019, 02:36:46 PM »
Man made errors plaque the criminal justice system   *&^^& polluted by the contamination of confirmation bias

Dr Holly Greenwood
Holly’s research interests are in Criminal Justice and Criminal Procedure with a particular focus on miscarriages of justice. Her PhD was the first empirical research to examine the development and operation of innocence projects in the UK, which are university based projects where students investigate claims of alleged wrongful conviction. The research examined how innocence projects constructed and understood a “miscarriage of justice” and explored the problems and challenges which they faced. It also drew on Luhmann’s Social Systems Theory as a theoretical framework for examining this.
https://www.swansea.ac.uk/staff/law/hollygreenwood/

Read Holly Greenwood’s research on Innocent Networks UK, Dr Michael Naughton, Professor Julie Price & Dr Dennis
Eady here: https://cronfa.swan.ac.uk/Record/cronfa40034

and here https://cronfa.swan.ac.uk/Record/cronfa40032

Holly Greenwood Retweeted

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 Conference: #MOJ (link: https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/21588673) change.org/p/rt-hon-amber…?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbcampaignltd/status/916597420854861824


Holly Greenwood
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Several important questions raised, my phd research will cast further light on some of these issues when complete

University innocence projects: where are they now?
Only one conviction has ever been overturned on the strength of a university innocence project’s work in the UK – what’s going on? And what’s next for these projects?
theguardian.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/HollyGreenwood8/status/725345733034008576

By Jon Robins - April 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/apr/27/university-innocence-projects-where-are-they-now

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=89.msg494098#msg494098

Holly Greenwood says:
April 20, 2016 at 10:12 am
I think we should use Foster’s comment to expose a very real problem. I am sure a prisoner would rather have a lawyer working on their case than law students, but the reality is that there are not lawyers able to work on these cases due to the complete lack of funding available. Innocence projects and other law school clinics are filling a gap there.

However, I agree that as university clinics we should work towards being more transparent about the number of cases we are working on and how long we have had them.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/genuinely-welcome-applications/


“Small wonder then that innocence projects boast just one major success story since their inception 12 years ago. In that case, the hard graft of Cardiff law students saw the appeal court overturn Dwaine George’s murder conviction in 2014. A result like this is an undeniable triumph for the students involved: as PhD student Holly Greenwood from Cardiff points out in Robins’ article, the students who take on these cases really are “starting from a difficult point”.

It’s not the end of the road just yet. Faults and all, universities are sticking with innocence projects. They are, Robins concludes, “committed” to the work that they do, and improving their efficiency by exploring “more effective ways of operating”. https://www.legalcheek.com/2016/04/legal-commentator-voices-concerns-over-challenges-facing-university-innocence-projects-in-damning-new-article/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #760 on: May 12, 2019, 03:23:48 PM »
https://www.legalcheek.com/2016/04/legal-commentator-voices-concerns-over-challenges-facing-university-innocence-projects-in-damning-new-article/

“Hannah Quirk
May 6 2016 4:42pm
I wrote an article in 2007 entitled ‘Identifying Miscarriages of Justice: Why Innocence in the UK is Not the Answer’ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2230.2007.00662.x/full

I am sure that students get a great deal from the experience of working on these cases – my concern is largely for the applicants. I do not mean to disparage the efforts of those involved in this work. My concern has always been that innocence projects (a model imported from America where there is no post-appeal assistance) fit awkwardly in a legal system with a body such as the CCRC. The only route back to the Court of Appeal for those who have had one appeal is via the CCRC. An inevitably lengthy investigation by students delays this process and risks contaminating new evidence.

There are ways around this, and I understand that some projects now just prepare applications to the CCRC or work on cases that have been rejected. These are often very difficult cases – junior solicitors or barristers would not work on such serious cases. Enthusiasm is important but if I were wrongly convicted, I would prefer expertise and experience.


Identifying Miscarriages of Justice: Why Innocence in the UK is Not the Answer - Hannah Quirk
 - First published: 20 August 2007

Abstract
“This article examines two contrasting proposals for the reform of criminal appeals: the government's recent proposal that the guilty should no longer have their convictions quashed on ‘technicalities’; and calls by campaigners for the Court of Appeal to consider innocence rather than the ‘safety of the conviction,’ together with their associated attempts to establish Innocence Projects in the UK. Despite the rhetorical power of ‘innocence’ as a campaigning tool, it is contended that to import such a standard into the legal system would be retrogressive and counter‐productive, both as a safeguard against wrongful convictions and in protecting the integrity of the system. In order to be meaningful, due process protections must apply to all. The government's proposals attack this principle directly; innocence campaigners risk unwittingly assisting their endeavours.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #761 on: May 12, 2019, 03:42:57 PM »
“Hannah Quirk
May 6 2016 4:42pm
I wrote an article in 2007 entitled ‘Identifying Miscarriages of Justice: Why Innocence in the UK is Not the Answer’ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2230.2007.00662.x/full

I am sure that students get a great deal from the experience of working on these cases – my concern is largely for the applicants. I do not mean to disparage the efforts of those involved in this work. My concern has always been that innocence projects (a model imported from America where there is no post-appeal assistance) fit awkwardly in a legal system with a body such as the CCRC. The only route back to the Court of Appeal for those who have had one appeal is via the CCRC. An inevitably lengthy investigation by students delays this process and risks contaminating new evidence.

There are ways around this, and I understand that some projects now just prepare applications to the CCRC or work on cases that have been rejected. These are often very difficult cases – junior solicitors or barristers would not work on such serious cases. Enthusiasm is important but if I were wrongly convicted, I would prefer expertise and experience.


Identifying Miscarriages of Justice: Why Innocence in the UK is Not the Answer - Hannah Quirk
 - First published: 20 August 2007

Abstract
“This article examines two contrasting proposals for the reform of criminal appeals: the government's recent proposal that the guilty should no longer have their convictions quashed on ‘technicalities’; and calls by campaigners for the Court of Appeal to consider innocence rather than the ‘safety of the conviction,’ together with their associated attempts to establish Innocence Projects in the UK. Despite the rhetorical power of ‘innocence’ as a campaigning tool, it is contended that to import such a standard into the legal system would be retrogressive and counter‐productive, both as a safeguard against wrongful convictions and in protecting the integrity of the system. In order to be meaningful, due process protections must apply to all. The government's proposals attack this principle directly; innocence campaigners risk unwittingly assisting their endeavours.

Anger at legal compensation shakeup
Clarke's bid to overhaul law on wrong convictions attacked by justice groups - 2006

“Miscarriage of justice campaigners were enraged last night by plans to stop defendants walking free from the court of appeal after their convictions have been quashed on a technicality.
The announcement by the home secretary, Charles Clarke, was made as part of a package making a £5m a year cut in the £8m paid out annually in compensation to victims of miscarriages of justice. Mr Clarke said he wanted to see the change introduced in legislation as soon as possible.

One option is to introduce the Scottish "not proven" verdict into the English legal system. He said it was needed to put an end to the growth of a "small industry for the legal profession that has been giving away large amounts of money to individuals who do not deserve it".

The urgent government review will look at the statutory test used in the court of appeal to decide whether to quash a conviction. In particular, it will focus on whether an "error in the trial process" necessarily means a miscarriage of justice has occurred.

Mr Clarke acknowledged that a move to a "not proven" verdict would be a major change. "It would be a radical change. We are going to have a look at it. The time has come to assess it," he said.

The package of cuts to compensation payments will cap payments at a maximum of £500,000. He is also to introduce legislation empowering the compensation assessor to make deductions from the award if there are other criminal convictions in the case. He cited the example of a man serving nine years in prison for robbery convictions who had one of them quashed by the court of appeal and went on to receive £75,000 compensation.

But the proposals have angered miscarriage of justice campaigners. Gerry Conlon, of the Guildford four, who was wrongly convicted over an IRA bombing in 1974, said he was "absolutely horrified" by the package and called the compensation cuts a "penny-pinching, vote-catching exercise".

John McManus of MOJO, the campaigning organisation set up by Paddy Hill of the Birmingham six, said he was appalled that ministers appeared to be suggesting that those whose convictions were quashed were really criminals. He claimed that in many cases technical grounds were used to quash convictions to avoid the exposure of corrupt police officers.

"If the government want to do something about this compensation bill they should prosecute the corrupt police officers who have been involved. There have been at least 150 miscarriages of justice cases in the last 15 years but no police officers have ever been prosecuted."

But Mr Clarke believes that the growing compensation bill for miscarriage of justices has more to do with the failings of the English adversarial criminal justice system. He claimed yesterday that the system encouraged highly paid barristers funded by legal aid to play courtroom games in pursuit of compensation claims far beyond what was acceptable.

"This is not really about justice or righting wrongs in a fair way," said Mr Clarke. "I think the more the legal system clearly relates to the conduct of individuals who have done things or not done things and the less it relates to the technicalities of the legal process, the better.

"What individuals want to see is a legal system which correctly finds guilty those who are guilty and acquits those who are innocent, with respect to what they did or didn't do rather than whether or not the legal process was or was not correctly followed."

The proposal was first put forward by Lord Justice Auld in his review of the criminal courts in 2001, who said that "unhappily" the 1995 Criminal Appeal Act had led to the belief among some that an unfair trial should automatically be punished with an acquittal.

It also sparked an angry reaction from opposition MPs. The Liberal Democrat shadow attorney general, Simon Hughes, said an important criminal justice proposal seemed to have been smuggled on to the agenda under cover of an announcement on compensation.

"Criminal trials are supposed to clear up questions of guilt and not encourage suspicions to linger. Any review of the law must be conducted with extreme care. There are many people in Scotland who, with good reason, have deep misgivings about the 'not proven' verdict," said Mr Hughes.

The Conservatives also voiced doubts about the "not proven" verdict, saying it had come in for much criticism in Scotland. "We have a longstanding principle in this country of being innocent until proven guilty," said Dominic Grieve, the shadow attorney general.

"People want certainty and I am at a loss to understand why the home secretary might think this course of action necessary."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/20/constitution.ukcrime1
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #763 on: May 13, 2019, 01:04:16 PM »
The Clues that Point to Barry George’s Guilt
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/11/the-clues-that-point-to-barry-georges/

Jon Robins appears to have TODAY pulled Professor Julie Price’s published article from his Justice Gap site; “Simon Hall confession - A time to take stock? https://www.thejusticegap.com/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #764 on: May 14, 2019, 08:25:19 AM »
Remember Michelle Diskin Bates claims here:

I’d underestimated Barry; he knew his Bible better than I’d realised. Of course, he had been studying the Bible in readiness to take his Believer’s Baptism at the time the police arrested him

So, according to Michelle Diskin Bates, her brother Barry George was capable of studying the bible in readiness to take his Believers Baptism before he was arrested and had retained that knowledge for 8 years, yet incapable of murdering Jill Dando. Do give over!

“Jurors heard that George had an IQ of 75 - in the lowest 5% of the population. In memory and other tests, he came in the bottom 1% of the population.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime1
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation