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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #945 on: January 16, 2020, 05:22:19 PM »
Below is an excerpt from an article written by Dr Michael Naughton in May 2011 for the Law Gazette, headed,

There’s still scope for debate on miscarriage of justice compensation.’

The judgement fails to settle contentious cases such as that of Barry George, who also had his application for compensation refused because of his failure to prove his innocence at his appeal.

This is despite the fact that, when he was acquitted at his retrial, the Crown Prosecution service declared that he had every right to be considered an innocent man”

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/analysis/theres-still-scope-for-debate-on-miscarriage-of-justice-compensation/60579.article

The Crown Prosecution service (CPS) appear to have acted hastily when they made the statement outside of the courts re Barry George being ‘considered an innocent man.’

Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said:

"There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder"

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #946 on: January 16, 2020, 07:06:27 PM »
This Blog is maintained by Mark Newby and Colleagues from QS Jordans

Our Track Record – Crown Court Cases

Miscarriage of Justice Compensation Challenge Against Government – Supreme Court [ judgment awaited ] + Successfully won last test case on the scheme in 2013  in Barry George and others v SSJ

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The Adams ruling has subdivided miscarriages into three, possibly four, categories: first, where the applicant can effectively prove innocence; second, where there is evidence that undermines the safety of the conviction; third where the fresh evidence might be sufficient for the court to quash the conviction but there may be other evidence upon which a jury could still convict; and fourth, a purely technical quashing of a conviction.

Last month there was a three-day hearing in the high court considering compensation in a number of cases including Barry George, who spent eight years in prison after being wrongly convicted of the murder of TV presenter Jill Dando. "The public might think, as they watch someone being released from the court of appeal, that they would be compensated by the state for being wrongfully convicted and for all the time they have served in prison," comments Mark Newby, who specialises in miscarriage cases. The solicitor is representing Ian Lawless, one of the lead cases alongside George. "That expectation is invariably not met. Under the current Ministry of Justice scheme only one award has been made post-Adams."

Newby has another case stayed pending the ruling by the Strasbourg court on the Allen case. If the European court decides in favour of Allen, the lawyer believes this will help the other compensation cases, with the possible exception of category four cases.

The case originated in an application (no. 25424/09) against the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland lodged with the Court under Article 34 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (“the Convention”) by a British national, Ms Lorraine Allen (“the applicant”), on 29 April 2009.
2. The applicant, who had been granted legal aid, was represented by Stephensons, a firm of solicitors based in Wigan. The United Kingdom Government (“the Government”) were represented by their Agent, Ms Y. Ahmed, Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{"itemid":["001-122859"]}


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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #947 on: January 17, 2020, 10:13:44 AM »
Keith A Findley - “tunnel vision is the product of a variety of cognitive distortions, such as confirmation bias, hindsight bias, and outcome bias, which can impede accuracy in what we perceive and in how we interpret what we perceive

"The public might think, as they watch someone being released from the court of appeal, that they would be compensated by the state for being wrongfully convicted and for all the time they have served in prison," comments Mark Newby, who specialises in miscarriage cases.

Last May Mark Newby wrote an article which was published in the justice gap, ironically, given the Barry George case as one example, he stated:

”No one wants to see a conviction overturned on technical grounds compensated”

https://www.thejusticegap.com/the-court-of-appeal-needs-to-acknowledge-miscarriages-of-justice-and-ensure-that-they-dont-occur-in-the-future/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #948 on: January 17, 2020, 10:28:39 AM »
Wonder what her Uncle (Mike Bourke) thinks about her support and comments of mass murderer Jeremy Bamber?

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”It was well after midnight on August 6th 1985 and I couldn’t sleep. Switching on the T.V., I absent-mindedly tuned into a news channel. We were living in Co. Cork, in Southern Ireland, and I was joyfully awaiting the birth of our first child who was already overdue, making me feel restless; that was why I was up and about at such an hour.

Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.

Awaking early I was anxious for news, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.

My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?


Excerpt from Michelle Diskin Bates blog on mass murderer Jeremy Bamber titled “Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

the following excerpt is from Mark Newby’s 2012 speech (Given at the Richard Webster Memorial Lecture on the Danger of False Allegations in Society and their impact)

Of Course the danger of false allegations has arisen for as long as human beings have lived together on this planet. Whilst I am no Bible basher it is worth that remembering that in Exodus 20:16 it was said:

You shall not bear false testimony against your neighbor

https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2012/11/false-allegations-mark-newby-delivers-richard-webster-memorial-lecture

What are peoples thoughts on Michelle Diskin Bates ‘false testimony’ above?

And what are Mark Newby’s thoughts?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #949 on: January 17, 2020, 03:22:03 PM »
Excerpt from Michelle Diskin Bates blog on mass murderer Jeremy Bamber titled “Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

What are peoples thoughts on Michelle Diskin Bates ‘false testimony’ above?

And what are Mark Newby’s thoughts?
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Founder and Director
Dr Michael Naughton

Champions
Michael O’ Brien (one of three men who were wrongly convicted in the case known as the Cardiff Newsagent Three for the murder of Cardiff newsagent, Philip Saunders)

Michelle Bates (sister of Barry George who was wrongly convicted of the murder of British journalist, television presenter and newsreader, Jill Dando)
http://michaeljnaughton.com/?page_id=3707

And Dr Michael Naughton’s?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #950 on: January 17, 2020, 03:52:19 PM »
And Dr Michael Naughton’s?

Worth listening to Dr Michael Naughton’s speech here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P8EVLJNUGQM especially when he refers to ‘ethical behaviour’.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #951 on: January 18, 2020, 11:24:36 AM »
So why does Michelle Diskin Bates choose to rewrite history?


Excerpt from Michelle Diskin Bates blog on mass murderer Jeremy Bamber titled “Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html


What are peoples thoughts on Michelle Diskin Bates ‘false testimony’ above?

And what are Mark Newby’s thoughts?

Leigh Chambers guest is Michelle Diskin Bates whose memoir Stand Against Injustice details her fight to clear the name of her brother, Barry George, wrongly convicted for the murder of Jill Dando. We also hear from former circuit judge, Peter Murphy, on his latest legal thriller One Law For The Rest Of Us. And children’s..
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/bookmark-michelle-diskin-bates/id796334747?i=1000431434365

Rewriting history does not help her cause

Dr Shepherd said it was not possible to say what position Miss Dando was in when shot.
"It could have been in a position which allowed the firearm to be arranged so that it could be placed to her left temple and allowed to track through to the right."
A gunman standing to her left could have been either right or left-handed, he told the court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-46217/Jills-death-instant.html

I’ve long been of the opinion she’s highly narcissistic

A narcissist can be a great storyteller. They captivate you with tales of personal triumphs, heroism, even selflessness. But it’s when you look behind the curtain that you discover they’ve rewritten history. Not only are they living in a fantasy, you believed all their self-mythology.

Narcissists are overly occupied with themselves. They exaggerate their achievements and use clever tactics to make themselves feel superior. Ever entitled, they tend to manipulate and exploit others, then rationalize their actions to shirk responsibility or blame. If a narcissist isn’t currently being praised, they are planning or waiting for the next moment when they will be praised.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/separating-the-narcissists-delusion-from-reality/

I once wrongly believed in Michelle Diskin Bates ‘mythology;’ I wrongly believed in the ‘mythology’ that is the ‘wrongful conviction’ arena.

Barry George had overturned his murder conviction by the time I came into contact with her but when I looked ’behind the curtain’ things weren’t how they appeared.

Michael Bourkes book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mikes-Story-Battle-George-murder/dp/1907163441 was also an eye opener and tells a different story to ‘Stand Against Injustice’. I skim read ‘Mikes Story’ last year and recommend it to anyone interested in ‘Barry George’s campaign.’
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #952 on: January 18, 2020, 12:35:47 PM »
I find this an extremely naive and gullible move by Michael Naughton https://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/news/2018/dr-michael-naughton-introduces-new-book.html

The need for due diligence isn’t needed solely whilst using Twitter. http://michaeljnaughton.com/?p=1542

Michael Naughton claims;

“Earlier this month (August 2017), a row erupted on my Twitter timeline of the like I have not previously witnessed amongst what might loosely be called the ‘prison reform community’, comprised of former prisoners, family members of currently serving and former prisoners, prison lawyers, students and academics.

But that’s not entirely true is it Dr Naughton? You were once very familiar with the fallings out of the varying ‘prison reform community’, comprised of former prisoners, family members of currently serving and former prisoners, prison lawyers, students and academics. and were once yourself very much caught up in it.

Remember this https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/jan/09/innocence-project-conviction-hilary-swank - the Higham burglary, the knife, Campbell Malone, Lynn Hall, Shaun Hall, Steffie Bon, Sandra Lean, Billy Middleton, Mike O’Brien, etc?

Barry George’s campaign has been blighted with similar such experiences but there has been a conscience attempt at covering up these rows, which are glaringly obvious when you compare and contrast Michelle Diskin Bates book with that of her uncle Mike’s and begin to read between the lines of the many newspaper articles and other mediums used to promote the fallacies.

Michael Naughton goes on:
“I immediately put his name into Google on my phone to very quickly find that he was convicted of a highly publicised and most pernicious and disturbing gendered crime against a young woman, the like of which would certainly make most (particularly women) want to steer clear of him altogether.

WHAT about Barry George’s highly publicised and proven crimes? Shall we sweep them under the carpet and pretend they never happened? What rehabilitation did he receive, if any? It might be worth researching the Barry George case and all the individuals involved because when you do, all is not as it seems and Michelle Diskin Bates narrative stops adding up. The case against her brother becomes much clearer and plausible.

Dr Michael Naughton states,

“I have learned, though, that the truly innocent (and I accept that there are always exceptions to every rule but, generally speaking) tend to be very public about their alleged wrongful convictions and happy for any opportunity to tell their version of events to anyone who will listen so that the truth can come out and their names can be cleared.”

Absolute nonsense!

The ‘truly’ guilty, many of them themselves highly narcissistic, have no qualms being ‘very public about their alleged wrongful convictions and are happy for any opportunity to tell their version of events to anyone who will listen’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #953 on: January 18, 2020, 12:47:12 PM »
Wonder what her Uncle (Mike Bourke) thinks about her support and comments of mass murderer Jeremy Bamber?

Excerpt from Michelle Diskin Bates blog on mass murderer Jeremy Bamber titled “Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies

Quote
”It was well after midnight on August 6th 1985 and I couldn’t sleep. Switching on the T.V., I absent-mindedly tuned into a news channel. We were living in Co. Cork, in Southern Ireland, and I was joyfully awaiting the birth of our first child who was already overdue, making me feel restless; that was why I was up and about at such an hour.

Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.

Awaking early I was anxious for news, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.

My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

can you deal with common sense?
@YouCommon
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
You watched it live on 24 hour news on your flat screen TV didn't you?

In 1985..

I trust your judgement! 🤣
12:30 AM · Jan 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Jan 17
Replying to
@YouCommon
Another troll post…you could use your intelligence and creativity for good - you’ve chosen to hurt people who are hurting! Shame on you 😡

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouCommon/status/1217967278463033344
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #954 on: January 18, 2020, 01:07:28 PM »
Leigh Chambers guest is Michelle Diskin Bates whose memoir Stand Against Injustice details her fight to clear the name of her brother, Barry George, wrongly convicted for the murder of Jill Dando. We also hear from former circuit judge, Peter Murphy, on his latest legal thriller One Law For The Rest Of Us. And children’s..

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https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/bookmark-michelle-diskin-bates/id796334747?i=1000431434365

Michelle Diskin Bates refers to Dr Michael Naughton as ‘inspirational’ in her radio interview.

And when she tells her story of hearing of her brother Barry George’s arrest, her first thought was to phone the radio station ? to find out if it was true

Worth listening to hear her reaction to ex circuit Judge Peter Murphys interview

Leigh Chambers asks: ‘Michelle, Peter there talking about police corruption

You’ve never said in your book that it was corruption that ended with Barry’s conviction

Why, why do you think Barry was the target?

Michelle Diskin Bates replies: “I couldn’t say it was corruption because I had no proof of that and I didn’t want my book to not have integrity I wanted people to be able to trust what I was writing

integrity
/ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.


So honest and such strong moral principles she’s even prepared to rewrite history for convicted mass murderer Jeremy Bamber *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #955 on: January 18, 2020, 08:45:37 PM »
Worth listening to Dr Michael Naughton’s speech here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P8EVLJNUGQM especially when he refers to ‘ethical behaviour’.

Dr Michael Naughton states here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VBzW5_7xtI4 @ around 10.10

“I’ve written several articles about harm”

“.....we don’t won’t errors because they are harmful, there is a progressive dynamic element to errors, if you are open to embracing the error and learning from it”

No mention of the Simon Hall case no mention of ‘innocent fraud’

So when does Dr Michael Naughton plan to embrace his errors and learn from them and what impact does the ‘progressive dynamic element’ have on the public, the criminal justice system and the ‘wrongful conviction’ arena?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #956 on: January 19, 2020, 12:10:36 PM »
So when does Dr Michael Naughton plan to embrace his errors and learn from them and what impact does the ‘progressive dynamic element’ have on the public, the criminal justice system and the ‘wrongful conviction’ arena?

The ‘progressive dynamic element’ Dr Michael Naughton refers to has appeared static to me for years and is evidenced by not only his behaviour but by the behaviour of many within the moj arena

Man wrongly convicted of murder fails in bid to get police officer prosecuted
Excerpt:
“Crucial to their conviction was testimony given by Detective Inspector Stuart Lewis, who claimed he overheard a shouted conversation between Mr O’Brien and Mr Sherwood while they were in cells at the city’s Canton police station. The conversation appeared to amount to a confession that they had committed the murder.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/michael-obrien-man-wrongly-convicted-6350640

Dr Michael Naughton phoned me after Simon Hall confessed. He and Gabe Tan appeared to have accepted Halls guilt. Gabe Tan was really upset according to Michael. He said he never wanted to hear the name Simon Hall again.

So what changed for Michael Naughton between then and now?

Dr Michael Naughton told how he received a letter last week from Hall's wife Stephanie telling him her husband had admitted the murder and asking him to close the case down.
"We are not shocked - we are alive to the possibility that a lot of people who say they are innocent are not.
"We are looking for needles in haystacks in our project.
"It is quite sad in terms of the waste of resources and the distress to (Mrs Albert's) family members when it turns out like this."
And the "thousands of hours" Bristol law students have spent on the Hall case, said Dr Naughton, could easily have been spent on "somebody else's case".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-23630287

Have stated before, I didn’t write a letter to Michael Naughton this is a lie, I emailed him (With the help and assistance of Neil Bellis)

If Simon Hall could con Dr Michael Naughton for all those years how many others has he been conned by?

More importantly is Dr Michael Naughton the type of individual to hold his hands up and admit when he’s been conned? He doesn’t appear to be to me.

I recall when the CCRC referred Simon Hall's case back in 2009. There was a dispute between Campbell Malone and Michael Naughton. I was in the middle of it all, wrongly believing Hall was innocent. The dispute came up again at the COA in 2010. It was about the knife evidence, which the CCRC hadn't referred on.

Private Eye in November 2009, made public that other evidence which could positively prove Simon Hall’s innocence was uncovered by the University of Bristol Innocence Project investigation. This relates to another burglary which occurred on the night of Joan Albert’s murder, just ten minutes away from where she lived.


‘Crucially, students uncovered a statement by a witness, who did not give evidence at trial, who identified the murder weapon as similar, if not identical, to the one that had gone missing from the burgled house: it had the same colour handle, length of blade and rivets on the knife handle. Simon Hall, who has evidence that he was out all night with his friends on the night/morning of Joan Albert’s murder could not have committed the burglary and obtain the knife which could have been used to kill her.
In addition, the schedule of unused material made reference to DNA profile(s) belonging to ‘more than one person’ that were found on the handle of the knife. This DNA evidence has never been disclosed, despite requests from Simon Hall’s original defence solicitor. It is our contention that if it incriminated Simon Hall the DNA profile(s) would have been disclosed and used at trial by the prosecution.
However, within weeks of the University of Bristol Innocence Project highlighting the existence of this evidence, the Criminal Cases Review Commission announced that it was referring his case back to the Court of Appeal on grounds of the possible unreliability of the fibre evidence.
But, the Criminal Cases Review Commission did not fully investigate the possible evidential value of the DNA profile(s) and the witness who identified the murder weapon prior to referring Mr Hall’s case.
This undoubtedly diminished the possible impact that the evidence could have had on the appeal had it been fully explored. As such, although the evidence of the knife and burglary was included as a supplementary ground of appeal by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, it is perhaps not surprising that it did not feature at all in Simon Hall’s appeal.
The failure to fully investigate the DNA profile(s) and the identification of the murder weapon as stolen from the other burglary highlights the extent to which the criminal justice system is not concerned with innocence or guilt.
The Criminal Cases Review Commission and the Court of Appeal generally only consider evidence that was not available or adduced at the time of the trial or in previous appeals. Under the existing system the evidence relating to the other burglary will not be able to be used in any subsequent applications to the Criminal Cases Review Commission or feature in any future appeals.
Until such time as the criminal justice system takes claims of innocence seriously and seeks the truth of whether alleged victims of wrongful convictions are innocent or not, it seems that the door is closed on the evidence which could exonerate Simon Hall entirely and potentially even lead to the conviction of the real perpetrator(s) of Joan Albert’s murder." https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2010/7432.html


Simon Hall was guilty. He wasn't involved in the Higham burglary because he was too busy with his mate elsewhere burgling Zenith. What many of us had presumed regarding the knife evidence was wrong. The knife found at the murder scene had not been stolen. It came from the kitchen drawer of Hall's victim.

And Dr Michael Naughton appears to have made no effort whatsoever to revise his methodology which is quite clearly flawed and highly misleading

Dr Michael Naughton for example came up with his 'Typology of Prisoners Maintaining Innocence'. He categorises prisoners who maintain innocence into five groups:

Has Dr Michael Naughton ever revised his ‘typology of prisoners maintaining innocence’ ? The answer is no but why did he choose to not include a category for the ‘con artists and wolves in sheep’s clothing’ in the first place?

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
Nov 23, 2019
We need to be very careful not have wolves in sheep's clothing amongst us who claim that they are innocent when they are not and which discredits the innocence movement and the chances of the genuinely innocent overturning their wrongful convictions:
http://innocencenetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Michael_Naughton_Factual_Innocence_Legal_Guilt_PSJ_May_2008.pdf
https://mobile.twitter.com/SofaAssoc/status/1198343477744095237

He gave the following speech in 2007 where he refers to his ‘Typology of Prisoners Maintaining Innocence'.

Confronting an uncomfortable truth: Not all victims of alleged false accusations will be innocent!
Excerpts:
‘This short article reports on some of the main points of the talk that I gave at the F.A.C.T. Winter Conference 2007, St Chad's, Birmingham. It questions F.A.C.T.’s central claim that the vast majority of complaints of child abuse made against carers and teachers are fabricated and/or exaggerated. It provides an outline of the ‘typology of prisoners maintaining innocence’ that I have created to assist the efforts of the Innocence Network UK (INUK) to ensure that member innocence projects do not receive unreliable referrals for their case investigations. It, then, puts the ‘typology’ to work, proposing that F.A.C.T. confronts the uncomfortable truth that some F.A.C.T. members may not be innocent, that some members of F.A.C.T. may be supporting alleged innocent victims of false accusation who may not be innocent, and that F.A.C.T. should devise means to identify members who may not be innocent to ensure that it supports only those that are likely to be innocent. Following this, the article engages with the two main responses to my talk in the discussion that followed – that F.A.C.T. takes members on trust that they did not abuse the children that they were accused of abusing, and that to engage in identifying potential abusers within the membership of F.A.C.T. is tantamount to ‘cowering to power’

“The typology of prisoners maintaining innocence (which is also relevant to alleged victims of wrongful conviction who do not receive a custodial sentence) is a work-in-progress construction that I have devised as part of my work with the Innocence Network UK (INUK) in an attempt to provide reliable referrals to member innocence projects for further investigation. It stems, equally, from my concerns that befall all who attempt to support alleged innocent victims of wrongful convictions, i.e. the accusation that we believe and take on trust (discussed further in the next section) that all alleged victims are innocent. In this sense, the typology of prisoners maintaining innocence is a practical demonstration that we (the INUK) do not just believe all who claim innocence but, rather, employ a rigorous screening process that separates prisoners (or alleged innocent victims of wrongful conviction) who are clearly not innocent from those that may be innocent.
https://www.fbga.redguitars.co.uk/michaelNaughtonNov07.pdf

Dr Michael Naughton was Simon Halls representative (In place of a solicitor) when his guilt was exposed in 2013. What did Michael Naughton do following the discovery he’d been conned for all those years? He buried his head in the sand and went on to write the foreword to Michelle Diskin Bates book ‘Stand Against Injustice’

But on what basis did Dr Michael Naughton choose to write the forward of Michelle Diskin Bates book?

Barry George hasn’t proved he’s factually innocent and surely if Michael Naughton knows something the rest of us don’t he would have vocalised it, after all proof of factual innocence in the Barry George case could help him with his claim to compensation.

Why has Dr Michael Naughton chosen to take such a gamble?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #957 on: January 19, 2020, 02:29:54 PM »

Why has Dr Michael Naughton chosen to take such a gamble?

By Dr Michael Naughton
It must be acknowledged that successful appeals are not evidence of innocence.’

Conclusion
‘The reasons why prisoners maintain innocence are complex and varied: although all prisoners are legally guilty, and most will also be factually guilty, it is equally true that some prisoners who say that they are innocent are likely to be factually innocent. In devising and deploying the typology of prisoners maintaining innocence, the INUK keeps sight of the various
categories of prisoners maintaining innocence who are not innocent and the limits of the criminal justice system that mean that innocent people can be wrongly convicted and may remain unable to overturn their convictions. It is an attempt to marry up the entirely legitimate concerns of those against the wrongful conviction and imprisonment of the innocent with the equally valid concerns of those that attempt to deal with
so-called ‘deniers’ who will not confront their guilt whilst they are in prison and demonstrate a reduced risk of re-offending. The idea is to present the beginnings of a new way of thinking about the problem of prisoners maintaining innocence in the hope that new forms of action are devised and proactively deployed that might more appropriately deal with prisoners who say that they are innocent.
INUK’s typology of prisoners maintaining innocence helps to clarify the different meanings of ‘innocence’ and ‘guilt’ between prisoners maintaining innocence and staff in prisons and the Parole Board, providing a new vocabulary so that the different positions are more clearly understood. As such, it could be utilised for educative purposes to assist prisoners maintaining innocence and prison and parole staff alike to understand the basis and validity of claims of innocence, even facilitating compliance with sentence plans and offence-related programmes by prisoners who realise why they are not innocent. Most crucially, it could be embraced by the post-conviction system to separate the various types of prisoners maintaining innocence as part of the wider remit of contributing to the underpinning goals of the criminal justice system — protecting the innocent and promoting confidence that the system is fair.
http://www.innocencenetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Michael_Naughton_Factual_Innocence_Legal_Guilt_PSJ_May_2008.pdf
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #958 on: January 19, 2020, 02:40:19 PM »
on September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am Michelle Diskin Bates posted the following comment on the justice gap website

As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

So what have all those individuals who once supported Simon Halls innocence and campaigned to overturn his conviction done in order to get their credibility back?

Michelle Diskin Bates has gone on to tell further bare faced lies about the Jeremy Bamber case, some of which can be found here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg567538#msg567538

What does she think this does to her credibility regarding her brothers case?

Dr Michael Naughton was Simon Halls representative (In place of a solicitor) when his guilt was exposed in 2013. What did Michael Naughton do following the discovery he’d been conned for all those years? He buried his head in the sand and went on to write the foreword to Michelle Diskin Bates book ‘Stand Against Injustice’

Dr Michael Naughton recently stated:

Finally, if it is found that an alleged innocent victim of wrongful conviction in a case featured by ETI is not innocent, ETI will cease involvement with the case and any information about the case will deleted from its website. (sic)
http://michaeljnaughton.com/?page_id=3785

No mention of how he will deal with false claims made by people like Michelle Diskin Bates who he refers to as ‘champions’?

Champions
Michelle Bates (sister of Barry George who was wrongly convicted of the murder of British journalist, television presenter and newsreader, Jill Dando)
http://michaeljnaughton.com/?page_id=3707

However if Michelle Diskin Bates *false claims about the Jeremy Bamber case date back to 1985, how many porkies has she told from then to now and what does this say her about her credibility, judgement and integrity?

And even though it has been pointed out to her both here and elsewhere that nighttime TV didn’t exist in 1985 she has chosen to stand by these false claims and carry on regardless.

*People should be mindful of the fact 5 people were murdered (including 6 year old sleeping twin boys) and Michelle Diskin Bates has chosen to make these false claims publicly in support of a man she has never met
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #959 on: January 19, 2020, 03:07:38 PM »
on September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am Michelle Diskin Bates posted the following comment on the justice gap website

As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

And what about the credibility of those individuals who’s murder convictions were overturned based on confessional evidence for example? How reliable is ‘expert’ opinion in these types of cases?

“It was through his clinical casework in the late 1970s, many years before the Criminal Cases Review Commission was established, that MacKeith became concerned about cases of wrongful conviction arising from false confessions under police interrogation.
He teamed up with a colleague at the Institute of Psychiatry, Dr (now Professor) Gisli Gudjonsson, a psychologist, and their joint research studies and thorough casework were crucial in demonstrating, in the face of substantial initial scepticism, the existence of false confessions: how they arise, and the potential unreliability of criminal convictions based on uncorroborated confessions alone.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1561145/James-MacKeith.html

And who monitors and investigates these cases/individuals once their convictions have been deemed ‘unsafe’ by the CoA?

What protections are in place?

We know from Michelle Diskin Bates book ‘Stand Against Injustice’ that her brother Barry George is still monitored under MAPPA but what about all the others?
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