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Re: Barry George revisited.
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Today is a huge day for the family of David Reece and the #insidejustice team. At 10am this morning a full appeal hearing will be heard at The Royal Courts of Justice. Wish us all luck!

https://mobile.twitter.com/insidejusticeUK/status/1220647732391632897

Appeal judges dismiss convicted drug dealers attempt to clear nameby Tom Wright for the Justice Gap 
27th January 2020
Excerpts:
Reeces was taken up the legal charity Inside Justice.  After the hearing chief exec Louise Shorter commented: We disagree with the decision, of course.  I hope we will regroup, take a long hard look at the case as a whole and decide if there is anything else at all that we can investigate which might help David avoid spending the next decade, or more, in prison.
The Reece family, present in court on Friday, expressed their dismay and disillusion at the outcome of the hearing, shaking their heads at the judgment and vowing to continue the fight to clear Davids name.
The ground of appeal argued before the Appeal judges centred on the assertion the trial judge had erred in his summing up.  During the course of the original trial the prosecution applied to introduce evidence of Reeces previous conviction for drug importation offences in Belgium in 2011. 
The prosecution argued the similarity of the two offences demonstrated Reece had a propensity to commit crimes of this nature.  However, Reece argued that despite pleading guilty to the Belgian offences he did not know of the existence of the drugs until they were discovered by Belgian customs officers.  Mark Harries QC submitted that the trial judges handling of this matter was deficient when directing the jury.
At trial the judge had not invited the jury to consider that if Reece was unaware of the existence of the drugs in the Belgian case then the prosecution would not be able to demonstrate he had a propensity to commit such crimes.  In the absence of such an instruction to the jury, Harries asserted Reeces conviction must be unsafe as this evidence of bad character tainted his whole credibility.
Delivering the judgment of the whole court, Lord Justice Singh rejected this argument, dismissing the appeal.  The court ruled that in the absence of further evidence Reeces claim to lack knowledge of the drugs, and his acceptance of the Belgian conviction, did not require any specific instructions to the jury.
Furthermore, Lord Justice Singh intimated that even if the Court had been minded to accept that the judge erred in his summing up in relation to the Belgian case, they would have nevertheless affirmed the safety of the conviction on the basis of the prosecutions circumstantial case against Reece. (Sic)
https://www.thejusticegap.com/appeal-judges-dismiss-convicted-drug-dealers-attempt-to-clear-name/

R v Reece 2020] EWCA Crim 44
https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2020/44.html&query=(Reece)+AND+(Bailey)
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1006 on: February 01, 2020, 02:05:31 PM »
CCRC
@ccrcupdate
Paul Blackburn's case was referred for appeal by @ccrcupdate in 2004 and his conviction was quashed in 2005. This article and associated podcast about his struggle to get an apology from the police.

The Guardian @guardian Jan 13
Police reject judge's call to apologise over wrongful conviction https://theguardian.com/law/2020/jan/13/police-reject-judges-call-to-apologise-over-wrongful-conviction utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1578896509
10:41 AM Jan 13, 2020Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1216671705541816320

Paul Blackburn alludes to his alleged lack of memory several times during his interview with Peter Walker above.

Deceptive people often claim lack of memory as a way to cover the truth. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/let-their-words-do-the-talking/201611/5-things-people-commonly-say-when-theyre-lying

The interview also highlights the life on Mars comment made by Paul Blackburns solicitor Glyn Maddocks,

2009
A solicitor has condemned police for using a "Life on Mars excuse" after they refused to apologise to a man jailed wrongly for 25 years by saying that rules and methods were very different at the time of the original investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/04/paul-blackburn-cheshire-police

In 2012 Jon Robins (founder of the Justice Gap) refers to it here https://www.thejusticegap.com/wrongly-accused-who-is-responsible-for-investigating-miscarriages/ promoting Wrongly accused: who is responsible for investigating miscarriages of justice?

Since the creation of the CCRC it seems fair to say concern over miscarriages of justice appears to have slipped from the radar of public consciousness. The topic has been consigned to some distant Life on Mars past. The media, which did so much of the spadework exposing the notorious miscarriages through the 1970s and 1980s through for example the BBCs Rough Justice, has long given up. The broadcaster pulled the plug on Rough Justice after 25 years in 2007, Michael Jackson, chief exec of Channel 4, dismissed Trial & Error, which also investigated miscarriages, and its subject matter as a bit 1980s.

Similarly Hannah Quirk refers to life on Mars in her Sept 2014 article headed,

The end of innocence, and the chance of a new beginning

in the justice gap here https://www.thejusticegap.com/end-innocence-new-beginning/ where she claims,

In this country, a range of measures governing the collection and use of evidence has reduced the most egregious errors the television series Life on Mars was founded on the audience recognising how policing had changed since the 1970s. Unlike in the USA, very few cases turn on DNA analysis which means that most appeals are on the basis of unsafety we can never know with certainty whether the individuals were factually innocent or not.
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1007 on: February 01, 2020, 05:15:20 PM »
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The Forensic Science Paradox

Those among us with an interest in forensic science or wrongful convictions, fictional or otherwise, do not struggle for entertainment. Indeed, our interests can often be catered for in the very same TV series or movie, with forensic science having become indelibly linked with wrongful convictions.

One can never be sure however, whether the forensic scientist is going to be the antagonist, or ally. Such dualism poses a challenge to researchers and reformers. Should forensic science be encouraged as a powerful antidote to wrongful convictions, or would the safer policy be to leave the CSI kit at home and avoid potential injustice?

This lecture will explain this forensic science paradox: as cause and cure of wrongful convictions, and suggest solutions to mitigate the risks posed by reliance upon forensic science.

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1008 on: February 02, 2020, 09:08:05 AM »
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com -
@EmpowerInnocent in this article too : )

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
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Well done, Jane! This is great for raising Robins profile and keeping pressure on the CCRC and hopes alive. Keep up the fantastic work!

Empowering the Innocent (ETI) Retweeted
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
13h
Thank you Michael...full of hope that the CCRC will this time see the truth + innocence of http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com + swiftly get him to the CofA. Surely they`ll want2do the right thing+demonstrate their willingness2see justice no longer delayed on this tragic wrongful conviction

Reece Dinsdale
@reece_dinsdale
Jan 21
Peoples lives were destroyed by this.
Please sign the petition and demand a full judicial inquiry.
#PostOfficeTrial 
http://chng.it/qnD8fn4r via
@UKChange

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Jan 21
Replying to
@reece_dinsdale
 and
@UKChange
Thanks to this corrupt fiasco a man had it used in evidence in a murder trial, to take his good reputation. He was found guilty but is innocent. #freerobingarbut

maria
@mariaspears
Replying to
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@reece_dinsdale
 and
@UKChange
Can you explain further? #interested
https://mobile.twitter.com/mariaspears/status/1219880204727996416


His family and friends, including Jane Metcalfe, who has spoken publicly about what she believes is his wrongful conviction, are hopeful that following the "Post Office Horizon" case, more weight will be put behind a potential appeal.

Last year, the Post Office admitted it got things wrong in our dealings with a number of postmasters and is to pay almost 58m to settle the dispute.

A group of 550 claimants had joined a civil action to win compensation last year, alleging the Horizon IT system which was installed between 1999 and 2000 contained a large number of defects and led to many wrongly being accused of fraud.

Ms Metcalfe said she hopes the Horizon case would work in Garbutts favour as one of the lines of prosecution had been that he had been stealing from the Post Office.

She said: We have been supported by lawyers and journalists who believe, like us, that Robin was wrongfully convicted.

Robin has applied to the the Criminal Case Review Commission for the third time in the hope his case can be reopened. We believe there is a mountain of evidence to support Robin, so we hope this time the CCRC will agree to investigate.

Last year, Ms Metcalfe who knows Garbutt from when he lived in York, spoke at a vigil at the Royal Courts of Justice in London attended by more than 100 people. She also spoke to a big crowd at the Innovation of Justice conference at the University of Law in the city, and has also attended events at Bristol University.

She said: "The event in Bristol was taken by Doctor Michael Naughton, founder of `Empowering the Innocent'. He has chosen a handful of cases that he and his team want to use as examples of shocking miscarriages. He is calling for urgent reform of the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) or for it to be replaced with a new group that is fit for the purpose of assisting innocent victims to overturn their wrongful convictions
.

Robin Garbutts 999 call to the police https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJFgCQNRsQE

Robin Garbutt police interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FOJmgKyrxw

Robin Garbutt states,

do you know what, I knew straight away we I was going to be robbed, I just knew it cos.. obviously.. you know.. and I wasnt even worried.. do you know.. I know it sounds stupid but .. the first time I was absolutely shitting a brick and this time.. but.. the first thing he said to me.. straight away was.. he said er dont do anything stupid weve got your wife and er he said turn the lights off and er lock the door.. so I er um I er went back to     Blah blah

he handed me a um a black hold-all and er he said put the money in the bag I think or put the money from the safe.. I cant rem.. put the money in the bag I think he said.. erm..so I just walked into the post office.. he followed behind me   Blah blah

I put the money in the hold-all, there was something else in there already.. blah blah. I noticed when I put the money in blah blah.. I emptied.. put my till money in.. nothing in there just peanuts.. you know., a hundred quid..

Back Porch Media Productions
@media_porch
Jan 30
Having studied this case I truly cannot believe he is still in prison Robin Garbutt is the victim here!! Missing clump of hair from evidence, the man was a scapegoat pure and simple

https://mobile.twitter.com/media_porch/status/1222948613271232519

Black porch media productions claim on their website;

We research and produce documentaries, screen plays and films. We are currently working to produce a documentary to expose the failings of the British Justice System in regard to a terrible miscarriage of justice against ...
https://backporchmediaprod.wixsite.com/website

Black porch media productions claim here https://www.starnow.co.uk/backporchmediaproductions there are a growing production compamy

To date they have produced - nothing

In the meantime

Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
This sounds a bit like the recent PO/Horizon case where over 500 subpostmasters were stealing: It was an unbelievable number and it was unbelievable err because it wasn`t true...

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1223709115979116546


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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1009 on: February 02, 2020, 01:21:29 PM »
Michelle Diskin Bates has recently been asked to speak at a conference by the association for women barristers in conjunction with MTC solicitors. Apparently shes down to speak about her brothers miscarriage of justice (Which the Supreme Court deemed he wasnt) and will be speaking about how she has been affected. Should be an interesting conference, especially if shes asked about her apparent lies and misleading nonsense.

Julia Smart QC is apparently another speaker alongside Michelle Diskin Bates. Julia Smart was defence counsel in the Liam Allen case on disclosure issues
For anyone interested,

Liam Allen, Matthew Scott, Harriet Wistrich, Nina Burrowes, Laura Hoyano and Lucy Hall were on this mornings BBC The Big Questions with Nicky Campbell https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000f2c2/the-big-questions-series-13-episode-1

The debate - Is the justice system unfair to rape victims?


Barry George raped me by my mum's door, then said sorry
As 'misfit' Barry George began his life as a free man today - having spent eight years in jail - a woman told of how he raped her 25 years ago.

Karen Gray was a 20-year-old university languages student, when she was attacked and raped by George in the stairwell of a block of flats in West London.

But the Old Bailey jury were not permitted to hear the details of his vile attack on Miss Gray as she reached home - as it may have prejudiced his trial.

George was a stranger who followed her in the street, told her he was in the RAF, tried to hold her hand and spoke a few German phrases to impress her.

She thought he was a harmless oddball, 'a sad case' and didn't feel threatened or frightened by him.

But when he followed her into the block of flats where her mother lived, he changed.

The Old Bailey jury heard that George was incapable of planning or carrying out a series of actions without panicking or triggering an epileptic fit.

Nine years after the shooting of TV presenter Jill Dando on her own doorstep, and seven years after he was convicted of the crime, the jury took less than two days to acquit him.

As he walked from court a free man, Miss Dando's family are now facing the probability that her murder will never be solved.

But what the jury were not permitted to hear was the details of his vile attack on Miss Gray as she reached home.

On the stairs of a block of flats, George overpowered her, smothered her screams with his hand over her nose and mouth and ripped down her jeans to rape her.

As he left, he said 'sorry' before making for the nearest underground station and disappearing. He was not caught for a year.

It is hard to equate this glimpse of George the determined sex attacker with the man portrayed in court and by his family as a victim.

Read more here: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html

Michelle Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@neill_bob
@CommonsJustice
 and
@cpsuk
Dont let Alison Saunders make this about rape cases. Non disclosure in OTHER cases, too. Dando/George case, I have the letters to prove that. Jeremy Bamber case is an abomination. Noncompliance by police, they refuse to disclose evidence.
@Bambertweets
@tru68
@michaeljnaughto
7:36 am 27 Jan 2018
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/957155274485219328

So if disclosure in the Barry George case could prove her brothers innocence, why hasnt Michelle Diskin Bates highlighted this?

What evidence exists to prove her brother isnt a risk to women in particular?

Why hasnt Dr Michael Naughton highlighted the alleged disclosure issue claimed by Michelle Diskin Bates in the Barry George case here?

Why the current DPP must be replaced with immediate effect and a royal commission on disclosure is urgently needed [with postscript] Jan 2018
https://legalresearch.blogs.bris.ac.uk/2018/01/why-the-current-dpp-must-be-replaced-with-immediate-effect-and-a-royal-commission-on-disclosure-is-urgently-needed/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1010 on: February 02, 2020, 04:16:01 PM »
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com -
@EmpowerInnocent in this article too : )

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
Well done, Jane! This is great for raising Robins profile and keeping pressure on the CCRC and hopes alive. Keep up the fantastic work!

Empowering the Innocent (ETI) Retweeted
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
13h
Thank you Michael...full of hope that the CCRC will this time see the truth + innocence of http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com + swiftly get him to the CofA. Surely they`ll want2do the right thing+demonstrate their willingness2see justice no longer delayed on this tragic wrongful conviction


Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
I keep hearing a little voice in my ear `Knowledge is power` - So I`m learning as much as I can - So much to learn - Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1223992378333310979



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1011 on: February 03, 2020, 05:14:26 PM »
2013
In a judgment which raises the question of a distinction in the judicial system between acquittal and a declaration of innocence, two High Court judges said there were no new facts in Mr Georges case which would have meant he could never have been convicted. Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said: There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury, properly directed, could have convicted the claimant of murder.

Legal experts said the ruling was about shutting down the flow of compensation and was unfair on Mr George who is considered innocent of Ms Dandos death in the public mind.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eight-years-in-prison-but-barry-george-is-refused-compensation-8467485.html

Not in my mind he isnt - the illusion is clear to me

The Illusory Truth Effect: Why We Believe Fake News, Conspiracy Theories and Propaganda
Excerpts:
The illusory truth effect comes down to processing fluency. When a thought is easier to process, it requires our brains to use less energy, which leads us to prefer it.

The illusory truth effect is one factor in why fabricated news stories sometimes gain traction and have a wide impact. When this happens, our knee-jerk reaction can be to assume that anyone who believes fake news must be unusually gullible or outright stupid. Evan Davis writes in Post Truth,

Never before has there been a stronger sense that fellow citizens have been duped and that we are all suffering the consequences of their intellectual vulnerability.

As Davis goes on to write, this assumption isnt helpful for anyone. We cant begin to understand why people believe seemingly ludicrous news stories until we consider some of the psychological reasons why this might happen.

Fake news falls under the umbrella of information pollution, which also includes news items that misrepresent information, take it out of context, parody it, fail to check facts or do background research, or take claims from unreliable sources at face value. Some of this news gets published on otherwise credible, well-respected news sites due to simple oversight. Some goes on parody sites that never purport to tell the truth, yet are occasionally mistaken for serious reporting. Some shows up on sites that replicate the look and feel of credible sources, using similar web design and web addresses. And some fake news comes from sites dedicated entirely to spreading misinformation, without any pretense of being anything else.

A lot of information pollution falls somewhere in between the extremes that tend to get the most attention. Its the result of people being overworked or in a hurry and unable to do the due diligence that reliable journalism requires. Its what happens when we hastily tweet something or mention it in a blog post and dont realize its not quite true. It extends to miscited quotes, doctored photographs, fiction books masquerading as memoirs, or misleading statistics.

The signal to noise ratio is so skewed that we have a hard time figuring out what to pay attention to and what we should ignore. No one has time to verify everything they read online. No one. (And no, offline media certainly isnt perfect either.) Our information processing capabilities are not infinite and the more we consume, the harder it becomes to assess its value.

Moreover, were often far outside our circle of competence, reading about topics we dont have the expertise in to assess accuracy in any meaningful way. This drip-drip of information pollution is not harmless. Like air pollution, it builds up over time and the more were exposed to it, the more likely we are to end up picking up false beliefs which are then hard to shift. For instance, a lot of people believe that crime, especially the violent kind, is on an upward trend year by yearin a 2016 study by Pew Research, 57% of Americans believed crime had worsened since 2008. This despite violent crime having actually fallen by nearly a fifth during that time. This false belief may stem from the fact that violent crime receives a disproportional amount of media coverage, giving it wide and repeated exposure.

Read more here https://fs.blog/2020/02/illusory-truth-effect/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1012 on: February 03, 2020, 05:42:14 PM »
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
I keep hearing a little voice in my ear `Knowledge is power` - So I`m learning as much as I can - So much to learn - Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1223992378333310979

Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
I don`t want2but I worry so much that some decision-makers in our broken CJS appear to be without compassion...these factually innocents are real people snatched, kidnapped from their families+it`s as if everyone wants to rescue them, except those that actually have the power to

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1222219475795267584

This women is being duped by more than Robin Garbutt
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1013 on: February 03, 2020, 09:46:28 PM »
Dr Michael Naughton was conned by Simon Hall a dangerous and disturbed individual for years - to date he has chosen to not hold his hands up to having been conned.

On 10th September 2013 Michelle Diskin Bates stated,
As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice,
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock-by-professor-julie-price-originally-published-by-jon-robins-of-the-justice-gap/

So if the Simon Hall confession were a concern to Michelle Diskin Bates and if as she claims it damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice how have people like her and Dr Michael Naughton repaired and renewed their credibility ?
A Time To Take Stock by Professor Julie Price (Published 5 Sep 2013)

Excerpt:
Gobsmacked, some said. Others were Stunned, writes Julie Price. But whatever the language of choice for miscarriage of justice observers, the common reaction to Simon Halls confession last month was:
We didnt see that coming.
Setting aside any questions (and there are many) (still have no idea what the many questions were as shes never asked any as far as Im aware)as to the circumstances surrounding his confession after maintaining innocence for 12 years, this turn of events will not have helped the cases of genuine victims of wrongful conviction, as suggested in early reactions from the no smoke without fire brigade. (nor the credibility of all those still fighting for justice says Michelle Diskin Bates)

Roch Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 11:00:AM
Wow. Gobsmacked.  I never followed the case in any detail but I imagine many will be shocked at this.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186597.html#msg186597

So was Professor Julie Price lurking on the Jeremy Bamber forum or was someone passing comments made on the forum to her; or was Rochs comment coincidental and shed heard it elsewhere? 

In May 2015 Dr Dennis Eady had an article published in the Justice Gap headed,

The problem lies with the Court of Appeal. It always did (Did it though?)

Excerpts:
Michael Zander flagged up research by Dr Steven Heaton which found some nine out 10 applications to the CCRC had no prospects of ever being looked at by the CCRC because (in his words) nothing is advanced by way of reasoningno evidence, no material, nothing to go on. That left just 10% and, of that number, some 3.5% were referred to the Court of Appeal. The Heaton study focused on 147 such cases where the CCRC did not refer and identified 26 cases where there was concern of a miscarriage of justice. Of that number, Dr Heaton came to the conclusion that the CCRC was absolutely right not to refer them. That is a very important finding in a really serious piece of research, Zander said.

It was a view that was at odds with the experience of practitioners on the frontline such as Dennis Eady and Michael Naughton and solicitors Glyn Maddocks and Mark Newby.
(frontline or most vocal?)
https://www.thejusticegap.com/problem-lies-court-appeal-always/

https://www.thejusticegap.com/we-need-our-innocence-projects-now-more-than-ever/

Professor Julie Price comments at foot of above article:
Julie Price says:
May 13, 2015 at 3:22 pm
......Michael Naughton will, Im sure, likewise take responsibility for other aspects of its failure. Wonder what Julie Price is making of his empowering the innocent campaign?

2016 article by Jon Robins
Small wonder then that innocence projects boast just one major success story since their inception 12 years ago. In that case, the hard graft of Cardiff law students saw the appeal court overturn Dwaine Georges murder conviction in 2014. A result like this is an undeniable triumph for the students involved: https://www.legalcheek.com/2016/04/legal-commentator-voices-concerns-over-challenges-facing-university-innocence-projects-in-damning-new-article/

Professor Julie Price said it was "a significant day".
"It demonstrates that universities are about more than research, and can show public impact from innovative teaching and learning," she said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-30395753

Not for Daniel Dales mum it wasnt

'Who pulled the trigger?': Mum of Daniel Dale calls on freed Dwaine George to name her sons murderer

Lynn Hales said: "George has now claimed to be a reformed man. If that is true he should tell the police who did this"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/who-pulled-trigger-mum-daniel-8257691

Have Julie Price, the Cardiff law students and co helped Lynn Hale get justice for her son Daniel?

Excerpts:
In December 2018 Professor Julie Price had an article published on the Justice Gap website headed,

This conference is about hope. We are the people who have to make the change

Innovation of Justice came to Manchester last month, the brainchild of Liam Allan. Liam is the medias non-disclosure poster boy who spent two years in a limbo that could so easily have seen him wrongfully convicted of rape. (The CCRCs ex poster boy Michael OBrien was also in attendance though theres no mention of him in the article , instead theres a photo of him alongside Professor Claire McGourlay)

A definite theme emerged from the heart-rending stories of the powerful speakers that ordinary members of the public have no idea about the multiple, serious, problems with the criminal justice system. The Secret Barrister has re-scratched the surface, but there is a pressing need to work together to find a way of getting the message out there, and to engage politicians.

If it could happen to Liam, it could happen to anyone, said his barrister Julia Smart. Her kitchen table epiphany was a stroke of good fortune that could so easily instead have seen Liam serving a 10 years plus prison sentence for something he hadnt done.

These conferences are as impressive and uplifting as they are deeply troubling and depressing, because of the consistency of the message and experience: deja vu comes around again. They expose the ongoing deep-rooted intellectual dishonesty (ahem)  of a system that is hell bent on saving the reputation (ahem) of the establishment at the expense of destroying the lives of many innocent people and their loved ones. And, outside of audiences typical of this one, no-one seems really to be listening. (why could that be I wonder?)

Eddie and Sue must have called upon huge reserves of personal restraint (dont let his probation officer hear that) when they heard David James Smith, a recent former CCRC Commissioner, read from a script that could have been written for him by the CCRCs public relations office. Liam, admirably, thanked Mr Smith for his courage in speaking at the Manchester conference, being in a clear minority in that room.  But I personally cannot resist concluding that Mr Smith was, far more than I have seen previously, out of his comfort zone at this conference. (or just not buying it maybe?)  He has regularly attended many public events flying the CCRC flag fair play to him for that.

But I was left with the distinct impression this time that his justification of the CCRCs role and recent decisions was unsustainable and disingenuous no more than lip service. To me, it seemed that he was not comfortable with what he was saying. (or not comfortable with what he heard?) His words were a hollow irrelevance to the incredulous audience, who were far more impressed and engaged by the building momentum of the other speakers diverse stories on the same haunting theme (suspect thatll be short lived) our justice system isnt working.

......... We have seen and heard all of this before. (Havent we just) In the university world, we had huge hope and excitement when the Innocence Network UK (INUK) under Dr Michael Naughtons leadership emerged 14 years ago. (good leaders surround themselves with good people, but GREAT leaders surround themselves with people who are even better than they are.)
https://www.thejusticegap.com/this-conference-is-about-hope-we-are-the-people-who-have-to-make-the-change/

How Cardiff students proved a man convicted of murder was innocent
There were also similarities with the case of Barry George who was cleared of the murder of Jill Dando.
Applying the new standards, the tiny amount of material found on the coat could not have any evidential value, Mr Wood said.
He put forward evidence from an expert, Angela Shaw, who said it was not enough to support the weak identification evidence in the case.
Professor Price said: "The evidence against him [Mr George] was very weak in the first place.
"Once we cast doubt on the gunshot evidence, the other evidence used to convict him meant that his conviction was unsafe. (Might want to point that out to the journo claiming in his headline hes innocent)
"Dwaine was articulate and a pleasure to work with - he helped our students present the case to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), and his story remained the same from day one."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/how-cardiff-students-proved-man-15508697

Video includes interviews with Forensic consultant Philip Boyce and Duaine George
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAndx_8dF8

Forensic consultant Philip Boyce, alongside Mark Williams Thomas here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLsEeE0zTI

The voice identification aspect of the Duaine George case is referred to here https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cfgvDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&lpg=PT112&dq=duaine+george+murder+manchester&source=bl&ots=2iTX-3Ygo8&sig=ACfU3U2EJql2p_U0n4KlhWxvHavVx1XDag&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEw[Name removed]vajo4LbnAhVNURUIHdg7BzE4FBDoATAIegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=duaine%20george%20murder%20manchester&f=false though the author claims Daniel Dales murder was probably linked to him giving evidence in a murder trial - police appeared to have ruled this out
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1014 on: February 04, 2020, 10:06:50 AM »
Mike Bourke states in his book Mikes Story re Scott Lomax,

In the afternoon I met Scott for the last time in Victoria where we had an afternoon drink in the Shakespeare pub. At about 15.00 Michelle phoned me from the hotel saying that they had just finished the interviews and asked me what I was doing. I said I was with Scott but could not talk further as the line went dead. At about 22.00 she again phoned me and asked if I knew Scott had written an article for the Sunday mirror. I explained that Scott was a writer and so it was to be expected that he might write something as he was also outside the Old Bailey when she and MOJO were speaking to the media. She said that Barry could lose money as a result and in the background I could hear him speaking quietly. But nobody had requested that I or Scott should remain silent.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=fight+to+clear+barry+george+michelle&source=bl&ots=OsAc3MB2cI&sig=ACfU3U3BUTuHoQQtlG6TVNhPpqylF1KDxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz8YrLpITnAhU6TRUIHYSxDlA4FBDoATADegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=fight%20to%20clear%20barry%20george%20michelle&f=false

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1015 on: February 04, 2020, 10:09:17 AM »
Mike Bourke states in his book Mikes Story re Scott Lomax,

In the afternoon I met Scott for the last time in Victoria where we had an afternoon drink in the Shakespeare pub. At about 15.00 Michelle phoned me from the hotel saying that they had just finished the interviews and asked me what I was doing. I said I was with Scott but could not talk further as the line went dead. At about 22.00 she again phoned me and asked if I knew Scott had written an article for the Sunday mirror. I explained that Scott was a writer and so it was to be expected that he might write something as he was also outside the Old Bailey when she and MOJO were speaking to the media. She said that Barry could lose money as a result and in the background I could hear him speaking quietly. But nobody had requested that I or Scott should remain silent.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=fight+to+clear+barry+george+michelle&source=bl&ots=OsAc3MB2cI&sig=ACfU3U3BUTuHoQQtlG6TVNhPpqylF1KDxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz8YrLpITnAhU6TRUIHYSxDlA4FBDoATADegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=fight%20to%20clear%20barry%20george%20michelle&f=false

Excerpt:
An author who questioned the guilt of the man jailed for killing TV presenter Jill Dando has written a book about notorious Essex murderer Jeremy Bamber.
Doubts raised in books by Scott Lomax about the case against Barry George were proved well-founded when the 48-year-old was cleared at a retrial, seven years after his conviction.
The crime writer has now turned his attention to investigating the case of Bamber, 47, who is in prison for life for shooting dead five members of his family at White House Farm in Tolleshunt DArcy back in 1985.

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/3694499.essex-bamber-murder-new-book/

well founded
adjective
(especially of a suspicion or belief) based on good evidence or reasons


Excerpt from Scott Lomax - Simon Halls Fight For Freedom
Medical examination of the body revealed that Joans murderer had bizarrely inflicted wounds upon her after a significant period of time had elapsed following her death. An estimate suggested the unnecessary wounds had been inflicted up to half an hour after the crime, showing the killer had spent some time around the body. This, in addition to the location and nature of wounds on the body, has suggested the possibility the murder was in some way sexually motivated, with the murderer gaining sexual gratification from spending time with the corpse.
https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/13/simon-halls-fight-for-freedom-by-scott-lomax/

Whatever Scott Lomax uncovered re the above in the Simon Hall case, he never shared with his readers.

And to date hes remained tight lipped; publicly anyway - but why?

Michelle Diskin Bates recently claimed of Scott Lomaxs book on Jeremy Bamber; 

certainly clarified things for me. Good move

Michelle Diskin Bates uncle Michael Bourke wrote about his nieces concerns over an article written by Scott Lomax following his retrial. He claimed she was worried that , Barry could lose money as a result

What was meant by this comment exactly?

Did she mean only her and Barry were allowed to talk to the media?

And why does it appear her focus was on money at this time?

Surely she would have been too overwhelmed to think of anything other than her brother and his well being?

Of Scott Lomax, Michelle Diskin Bates also claimed, He has a forensic mind.

What does she mean by this?

forensic means:
/fəˈrɛnsɪk/
adjective
1.
relating to or denoting the application of scientific methods and techniques to the investigation of crime.

He certainly never appeared to have applied his forensic mind in the Simon Hall case. Actually thats not fair, he did but never seemed to explore them further. Why? Why did he dismiss the sexual aspect so readily?

So why is Michelle Diskin really promoting Scott Lomaxs book on the Bamber case; especially after publicly stating,

As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice

Are we really to believe she never read Scott Lomaxs Simon Halls Fight For Freedomarticle?

Maybe she hasnt?

Ive never read Scott Lomaxs books so have no idea if his forensic mind shows through in them nor if the forensic mind to which Michelle Diskin Bates appears similar in comparison to her own

I do however know Scott Lomax has never publicly admitted to having been conned by Simon Hall nor of the campaign being run by others on Halls behalf at the time (Before my time). Hes never, as far as Im aware, shared his thoughts on the confession etc.

I was told by both Sandra lean and Simon Hall in a round about way to steer clear of him. So I did.
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1016 on: February 04, 2020, 11:30:59 AM »
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
I keep hearing a little voice in my ear `Knowledge is power` - So I`m learning as much as I can - So much to learn - Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1223992378333310979

Hanksoff03 has highlighted in the above Dr Michael Naughtons book,

The Innocent and the Criminal Justice System

An excerpt reads:
What is perhaps more relevant for this discussion is not the inculpatory limits of the forensic evidence against Barry George but that the way the police embarked on what can only be described as a suspect-led policing operation, focusing entirely on manufacturing an incriminating case against him with circumstantial evidence to increase the possibility of obtaining a conviction. Having identified George as a loner and a misfit who lived near to the crime scene, he almost inevitably became a potential suspect in the eyes of the police.
To establish a motive, they trawled through 800 newspapers George had hoarded at his flat and found eight stories relating to Ms Dando, which they then presented as evidence of his obsession with her (see Bloxham 2008). To establish that Barry George was capable of carrying out the shooting, reference was made to him joining the Territorial army almost 20 years earlier, although he left the following year before completing his basic training. Reference was also made to gun magazines and books on firearms found at his home, also dating from the 1980 (see Lomax 2003).

Eamonn ONeill (2010) analysis seems apposite in explaining the psychological reasons why police officers construct cases in this way. As he argued, we tend to see what we are looking for, what we want to see, and as this relates to police investigations they often work from an approach that he termed hypothesis in. That is, finding evidence to support a premeditated hypothesis of guilt, rather than from the facts out, i.e neutrally assessing the evidence to ascertain what might have occurred (ONeill 2006:10).

This phenomenon is well established in wrongful convictions studies and is commonly termed tunnel vision. In an extensive analysis in the context of the United States, Findley and Scott (2006: 292) defined tunnel vision as follows:

Tunnel vision is a natural human tendency that has particularly pernicious effects in the criminal justice system.  Tunnel vision in this context is generally understood to mean that compendium of common heuristics and logical fallacies, to which we are all susceptible, that lead actors in the criminal justice system to focus on a suspect, select and filter the evidence that will build a case for conviction, while ignoring or suppressing evidence that points away from guilt (Martin, 2006, p. 848). This process leads investigators, prosecutors, judges, and defense lawyers alike to focus on a particular conclusion and then filter all evidence in a case through the lens provided by that conclusion. Through that filter, all information supporting the adopted conclusion is elevated in significance, viewed as consistent with the other evidence, and deemed relevant and probative. Evidence inconsistent with the chosen theory is easily overlooked or dismissed as irrelevant, incredible, or unreliable. Properly understood, tunnel vision is more often the product of the human condition as well as institutional and cultural pressures, than of maliciousness or indifference
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zsi9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT77&lpg=PT77&dq=eamonn+o%27neill+barry+george&source=bl&ots=UOPzk43Siw&sig=ACfU3U3BxiLm9bcgT4lXuqJsDlh3-vRFRQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiM_N7X5LfnAhXkpHEKHScGDhEQ6AEwDnoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=eamonn%20o'neill%20barry%20george&f=false

Michelle Diskin Bates refers to Dr Michael Naughton as inspirational in her radio interview.

Leigh Chambers asks: Michelle, Peter there talking about police corruption

Youve never said in your book that it was corruption that ended with Barrys conviction

Why, why do you think Barry was the target?

Michelle Diskin Bates replies: I couldnt say it was corruption because I had no proof of that and I didnt want my book to not have integrity I wanted people to be able to trust what I was writing

integrity
/ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.


Michelle Diskin Bates didnt need to write about police corruption in her book Stand Against Injustice because others, like Dr Michael Naughton for example, had already alluded to it it theirs.

....the police embarked on what can only be described as a suspect-led policing operation, focusing entirely on manufacturing an incriminating case against him with circumstantial evidence to increase the possibility of obtaining a conviction


The illusionary truth effect got off the ground around the time Barry George was arrested.
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1017 on: February 04, 2020, 01:05:07 PM »
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
I keep hearing a little voice in my ear `Knowledge is power` - So I`m learning as much as I can - So much to learn - Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1223992378333310979
William Beck
@WullieBeck
Jan 25
Replying to
@PrivateEyeNews
Who would believe evidence could go missing ?
Only muppets.
There is a reason for clumps of hair going missing.
It did not match the accused.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
Jan 29
Replying to
@PrivateEyeNews
The judge and jury were mislead on 2 crucial planks of evidence if it is now in doubt.
This should be enough to overturn the conviction.
All too often experts are giving evidence outwith their expertise.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
Jan 25
Replying to
@PrivateEyeNews
With the hair mysteriously disappearing can it be said Garbutt had a fair hearing.
When evidence against 8 police officers disappeared in the Cardiff case CPS dropped the case.
Why is the same not happening here ?


Theres a blog on the Robin Garbutt case here https://andrewashman.blogspot.com/

In 2016 the author says of themselves;

Hello everyone
I am a freelance writer based in the UK. I took a break for a while but am back now and ready to really dig my heels in.
I am ready to undertake most forms of writing work from commercial writing, research analysis, content writing, ghost writing, dissertations, scripts, case studies, creative pieces, article writing, etc
You can find me on freelancer.co.uk: https://www.freelancer.co.uk/u/andrewashman.html
I am currently working on two writing projects:
1, I am researching stories whereby young people's lives have been influenced by rap culture and have become involved in drugs and / or crime as a result. I am already writing a screenplay with this story line based on a real life story but would love to hear from others and gather further information
2, I have been asked to research and write articles about the "Military romance scams" that are growing every day online mainly being run by very clever scammers from Africa, particularly Nigeria. I will be posting blogs on these and other subjects here
If you need a writer just pop me out an e-mail to
https://andrewashman.blogspot.com/2016/

The author also blogs about injustice https://andrewashman.blogspot.com/2019/02/time-to-stop-miscarriages-of-justice-i.html

and states,

Please note: I am a professional and therefore NEVER do rushed deadlines, I expect to be allowed to a quality job in a reasonable time frame
You can contact me via e-mail or inbox here or by telephone
Oh and lastly i don't work for free $7 per hour is minimum price for professional work


Wonder how much the Robin Garbutt blog cost or was it a freebie?
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1018 on: February 04, 2020, 04:44:41 PM »

APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
Forensic Science and Miscarriages of Justice - 4 February 2020. The APPGMJ returns for 2020. 

Hear from:
@ProfRuthMorgan

Louise Shorter
@insidejusticeUK
 &
@ctmccartney
 
Prof Angela Gallop CBE
@ForensicAccess
 
Dr Gill Tully, Forensic Science Regulator
3:27 PM Jan 30, 2020Twitter Web App

APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
4m
Replying to
@APPGMJ
Forensic evidence can be key to wrongful convictions. After
@LordsSTCom
's 2019 report finding 'failings in the use of science in the criminal justice system', join the APPG and learn more. Chaired by
@hammersmithandy

16.30-18.15, CR16
@HouseofCommons
 
RSVP: alex@appeal.org.uk

https://mobile.twitter.com/APPGMJ/status/1222904192873816067

CCRC
@ccrcupdate
Looks like an interesting discussion on forensic science at the @APPGMJ meeting today.
@ccrcupdate is looking forward to it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1224724912952266752

TED talk with Professor Ruth Morgan - The dangers of misinterpreted forensic evidence

You vs Science
Not all of us are going to commit a crime, but every single one of us could be accused of one, says Ruth.
Ruth paints the scenario you sit in a seat at a cinema for example. A stand of your hair falls out and the hair is picked up by the clothing of the next person to sit in that seat. You leave the cinema and go home none the wiser. But that same night, the person who your hair is now attached to goes and commits a crime. Your hair is left at the scene, linking you to the crime. Youre stood in court while the expert explains to the judge how your hair, your DNA, is cast iron proof you committed the crime. But you know youre innocent.
This, sadly, is a scenario too many people are all too familiar with.
Misinterpretation of forensic evidence is the biggest problem facing forensic science
For Ruth, forensic science is undeniably a technological success story. We can now identify smaller traces of material, more accurately and quicker than ever before.
But, forensic science has got a problem. Its a problem that has gone under the radar and its a problem that has the potential to impact thousands of innocent people.
Ruth shared a shocking fact - 96% of forensic evidence is misinterpreted. That tells us forensic science has got a problem that technology alone cant fix.
What we really need to know is if we find gunshot residue on you, how did it get there and when did it get there. Ruth explained the issue: that, at the moment, we dont have the data that we need to be able to answer that question sufficiently.
Forensic science evidence isnt always going to be interpreted accurately so we need a change.
For Ruth, we need to change what our primary focus is, from being on what something is and who it belongs to, and we need to get serious about getting the answers we need to the how and the when.
If we can do that, then we will have the opportunity to dramatically reduce the chances of evidence being misinterpreted.
We need to do that so that each one of us never has to stand in court as that innocent person in the dock.
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xclg8ikPAvI
https://o-behave.tumblr.com/post/173319397192/nudgestock-2018-professor-ruth-morgan

Ruth Morgan
Excerpts:
Imagine youre in court, accused of a crime that you know you didnt commit. Now imagine a scientist takes the stand and starts explaining to the court how your DNA is on the murder weapon. (This sounds very similar to the old Simon Hall campaign website)

Forensic science is nothing short of a technological success story; it is possible to detect and identify forensic traces at greater levels of resolution and accuracy than ever before, and we can capture, retain and search more data than at any other time in history. These capabilities are transforming what forensic science can do. However, at the same time, forensic science is facing a huge challenge.

Forensic science sits at the intersection of science, law, policing, government and policy. It is a complex ecosystem that has competing demands and drivers to deliver science to assist the justice system. A recent inquiry by the House of Lords Science and Technology Select Committee in the UK recognized that forensic science is in a state of crisis, to such a degree that it is undermining trust in our justice systems. This crisis is multifaceted, and while some of the results of the crisis have been reported, such as miscarriages of justice, instances of malpractice, and failures of quality standards, there is an aspect of the crisis that has been overlooked. A recent study in the UK identified all the cases upheld by the Court of Appeal where criminal evidence was critical in the original trial over a seven-year period. In 22% of those cases, the evidence was misinterpreted. These cases are only the tip of the iceberg and indicate a broader root cause of the crisis forensic science is facing.

Given how the justice system shapes our societies, the stakes are far too high to ignore the crisis in forensic science. The integrity of the forensic science system is critical to the delivery of justice and public trust, and so this is an urgent challenge for the global community. Like plastics in our oceans, this is a problem that has gone under the radar for far too long. The time for action is now.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/09/why-forensic-science-is-in-crisis-and-how-we-can-fix-it/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1019 on: February 04, 2020, 05:38:35 PM »

APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
Forensic Science and Miscarriages of Justice - 4 February 2020. The APPGMJ returns for 2020. 

Hear from:
@ProfRuthMorgan

Louise Shorter
@insidejusticeUK
 &
@ctmccartney
 
Prof Angela Gallop CBE
@ForensicAccess
 
Dr Gill Tully, Forensic Science Regulator
3:27 PM Jan 30, 2020Twitter Web App

APPG on Miscarriages of Justice
@APPGMJ
4m
Replying to
@APPGMJ
Forensic evidence can be key to wrongful convictions. After
@LordsSTCom
's 2019 report finding 'failings in the use of science in the criminal justice system', join the APPG and learn more. Chaired by
@hammersmithandy

16.30-18.15, CR16
@HouseofCommons
 
RSVP: alex@appeal.org.uk

https://mobile.twitter.com/APPGMJ/status/1222904192873816067

Angela Gallop assisted the defence in the Barry George case
APPEAL
@C4CrimAppeals
Professor Angela Gallop tells @APPGMJ that with fragmentation of forensic science, Theres a risk of getting an incomplete picture of cases.

4 key findings:

1.Fragmentation - lack of a joined up approach
2.Reduced accountability and responsibility
3.The model of the private market is unstable
4.More investment in research is needed in forensic science

Change and action are needed now.

Were forgetting how to solve complex cases, Professor Angela Gallop says, because of lack of holistic approach.

Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully warns that increased sensitivity of DNA testing brings increased risk of contamination.

Lack of Time and money are big issues in forensic science, says Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully.

Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully says theyve launched a confidential reporting line.

We need statutory regulation of forensic science, says Dr Gillian Tully.

Whenever you have people, you get errors, Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully says.

We need to make sure the disclosure process... is working well, says Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully. 

Forensic science can be really helpful in correcting miscarriages of justice, but it can also sometimes cause them, says Forensic Science Regulator Dr Gillian Tully. 

Professor Angela Gallop:

I would rather forensic science werent used in court than that it is used badly.

It is dangerous and promotes miscarriages of justice

There should be an automatic defence review where ever forensic science is critical in a case, Professor Angela Gallop says.

Professor Angela Gallop tells @APPGMJ ought to be a discussion about police insourcing of forensics. We shouldnt be sleepwalking into it.

Digital forensics is the largest single challenge facing forensic science and police investigation, says Professor Angela Gallop.


https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/1224745787860582402

April 2015
There is a growing sense of crisis inside the world of forensic science. Recent high profile cases such as Jill Dando and Amanda Knox have highlighted serious problems with the way testing is carried out.  Techniques from fingerprint analysis to DNA identification have been found wanting, as cases collapse and are overturned. Plummeting forensic spending by police forces has left a newly privatised industry in England and Wales on the brink of failure.  In this series, science journalist Linda Geddes investigates why forensic science has fallen into crisis, and what can be done to restore confidence in the field. 
Programme 1:  The UK was once a world leader in forensic research, with DNA fingerprinting invented at the University of Leicester in 1984, a technique which revolutionised the investigation of crime.  Now forensic scientists claim we are falling dangerously behind the rest of the world in terms of research and development, relying on outdated equipment and unvalidated techniques.  Linda Geddes hears from leading researchers who are speaking out to try and prevent more miscarriages of justice.

including comments from Tiernan Coyle https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b05r3tf1

May 2015
FORENSICS: CRISIS, WHAT CRISIS?
Forensics: crisis, what crisis?
A recent three-part series on BBC Radio 4 sought to investigate the perceived loss of confidence in forensic science and how it might be reversed. Forensics in Crisis is currently available on iPlayer at www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05stg0j#auto.

Journalist Linda Geddes interviewed scientists, police chiefs and lawyers, and cited past cases involving forensics, to argue that problems have arisen in three respects:

1. Some forensic techniques are not sufficiently supported by data, i.e. there is an inadequate research base.

2. Not all the forensic analysis that could and should be performed, is being requested by prosecutors and defence, and the spectrum is likely to continue to narrow.
3. The presentation of forensic evidence in court is always a matter of subjective expert opinion, allowing interpretation and evaluation by counsel and jury.

Whilst the series had a pretty good stab at identifying the problems, it rather shied away from how they might be rectified, save for encouraging research, expanding services and augmenting analysis, all of which would require financial investment in these times of continuing austerity.

Episode One, Crisis in Research, discussed miscarriages of justice that have resulted from evidence presented as scientific fact but unsubstantiated by research, starting with Barry George’s 2001 conviction for killing Jill Dando, which centred on a speck of gun residue found in his pocket. George was found not guilty at retrial, when it was agreed that the speck may have been transferred from firearms officers involved in the investigation.

In a second British case to undermine forensic evidence, former Scottish detective Shirley McKie was wrongly accused of visiting a murder scene. A subsequent inquiry exposed serious weaknesses in fingerprint evidence.

In the US, the flawed identification technique of hair morphology was used by the FBI to secure over 2000 convictions after which more than a dozen individuals have been executed. Donald Gates was convicted of murder on hair morphology evidence, an FBI expert claiming that there was a 1 in 10,000 probability that the hair came from anyone else but there was no data to support that. “That’s simply a made-up number,” said Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the Innocence Project. [See also News Round-Up, week ending 24.4.15: Guilty by a Hair in the News section of this site.]

A report by the National Academy of Sciences in 2009 concluded that bad science was to blame. Niamh NicDaeid, Professor of Forensic Science at the University of Dundee, said the NAS Report confirmed what many experts had feared, that there were deficiencies particularly in the interpretation of different findings, including fibre and hair examination. The same techniques are in use worldwide.

In the UK, hair analysis has been treated with scepticism, particularly since the development of DNA ‘fingerprinting’ by Sir Alec Jeffreys, but the closure of the Forensic Science Service in 2012 and its subsequent replacement by a private market has led to a dearth of research in the field.

Without research, often lengthy and costly, forensic techniques cannot be developed and validated. Tiernan Coyle, fibre analyst and owner of forensic firm Contact Traces, discussed the loss of a research budget. Naimh NicDaeid agreed, emphasising the particular need for a research basis when justice depends on forensic science. Former Labour MP Andrew Miller voiced concerns over likely wrongful convictions resulting from the lack of regulation of private forensic laboratories, the lack of coordination of primary research and the fragmentation of analytical work in individual cases. Inside Justice is aware that funding is available to police units; the Metropolitan Police won a bid for £6million for forensic research from the Police Innovation Fund last year but it is the small independent labs, undertaking defence and appeal work, with specialist techniques that can’t compete in the current climate.

The Home Office sent a statement to the programme explaining the financial basis for closing the FSS and trumpeting the success of DNA matching, but Angela Gallop of Forensic Access stressed the need for research in areas of forensics other than DNA analysis.
In the US, the vast majority of forensic work is handled by police-run laboratories. In the UK there are growing concerns over in-house testing and prosecution-bias. The second Radio 4 programme, Crisis in the Lab, described how established but expensive forensic techniques are falling by the wayside in favour of fingerprinting, DNA profile matching and digital forensics.

Predatory paedophile Umesh Kulasingham was eventually convicted with forensic textile techniques, the use of which may be dying out. One expert spoke of her fears for the future: “I think forensic science will be increasingly dumbed down to such an extent that we will just be doing the absolute basics.”

Fibre evidence, involving analysis of thousands of individual fibres, has been crucial in many high profile murder cases, including those of Damilola Taylor and Stephen Lawrence, and in the Soham killings. Tiernan Coyle was concerned that this field of forensics and others, such as toxicology, are under threat, with numbers of competent practitioners decimated. Part of the problem is access and testing of evidence by police in-house laboratories, not all of which are accredited and therefore may not have sufficient expertise in all forensic techniques.

Chief Constable Chris Sims, lead for Forensic Science in the National Police Chiefs Council, was not surprised at the relative drop in popularity of forensic techniques like fibre analysis but voiced concerned lest such expertise be lost.
An anonymous former police scientist considered the UK criminal justice system not best served with decisions over choice of technique being subject to budgetary constraints.

Professor Bob Green of the University of Kent concurred. Evidence is consequently going unchecked, meaning cases may be dropped and justice not served. Chris Sims disagreed, justifying in-house analysis, but Angela Gallop did not feel the police were best placed to objectively decide on submission of evidence for forensic analysis.

Interpretation of fingerprints, always in-house, is coming under the same accreditation processes as other forensic science, following cases like that of Shirley McKie.

Accreditation is compulsory for private labs but though police labs have to be accredited too, the system is less transparent on penalties for not doing so and the system does not cover everything, such as the selection of evidence for submission.

The third and final programme of the series, Crisis in Court, considered the potential for forensic evidence to be misrepresented or misinterpreted in court, citing the eventual acquittal of Amanda Knox and Raffaelle Sollecito of the murder of Meredith Kercher. Their earlier conviction hinged on DNA evidence. DNA matching is often held up as the gold standard of forensic identification but, as Tracy Alexander has explained in an earlier article for Inside Justice (DNA: Did Not Attend), it is not entirely objective and should never stand alone.

UCL Cognitive Neuroscientist Dr Itiel Dror conducted a study of objectivity in DNA matching and found it to be anything but, despite the advent of computer software programmes. Ian Evett, of Principal Forensic Services, described how interpretation of partial DNA profiles from real-life crime scenes is fraught with complications involving small quantities, degradation and contamination.

To obtain a DNA profile, highly variable regions in the sample are ‘bookmarked’ and amplified, and peaks identified.

Rudi Guede’s fingerprint was found in Meredith Kercher’s blood and his DNA found in the rented room where she was killed. Professor Peter Gill explained how DNA detection has improved since he and Alec Jeffreys first developed the technique. This improvement allowed prosecutors to identify minute traces of Meredith Kercher’s DNA on a knife found in Sollecito’s apartment, the programme explained, despite no preliminary chemical detection of blood. Amanda Knox’s DNA was also found on the knife and this was evidence enough to convict the two, in combination with what the court accepted was contamination of an  exhibit by Scene of Crime Officers; Kercher’s bra clasp, with Sollecito’s DNA.

Linda Geddes also described the cases of Merseyside taxi driver, David ‘Flaky’ Butler, who spent eight months on remand for murder after transfer of his DNA, and Devonian Adam Scott, who was accused of rape after a forensic sample was contaminated with his. However, Professor Paul Roberts of the University of Nottingham maintained that much of scientific evidence is as good as there can be, but emphasised that no evidence is ever conclusive or infallible.

Peter Gill is convinced that a prosecution bias exists in the private market now in the UK, certainly with the emergence of streamlined reports which were designed to expedite results but which contain no expert opinion as to their weight and relevance. He ended with a warning:

We are in danger of sleepwalking into another serious round of miscarriages of justice.
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