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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2020, 08:06:38 AM »
Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2020, 05:00:12 PM »
Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days.

Try telling that to families who will loose their loved ones because they couldn’t financially afford to stay off of work.

You really have been easily bought. You personify the ‘I’m alright Jack ‘ society we now, sadly, seem to live in.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2020, 05:43:09 PM »
Try telling that to families who will loose their loved ones because they couldn’t financially afford to stay off of work.

You really have been easily bought. You personify the ‘I’m alright Jack ‘ society we now, sadly, seem to live in.
You just can’t stop insulting me and allowing your argument to be emotive and personal can you?  What did I write in the post that you commented on that gave you to make such a provocative and inaccurate observation?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2020, 10:17:12 PM »
You just can’t stop insulting me and allowing your argument to be emotive and personal can you?  What did I write in the post that you commented on that gave you to make such a provocative and inaccurate observation?

I find it really interesting that when Labour’s manifesto suggested £96 billion of spending there was cries of derision not least from you yet fast forward 3 months and you are set to benefit from the government’s £330 billion payout for businesses and not a peep about spending. Further having given socialism a kicking for months yet when your business is at risk of going down the tubes you don’t mind benefiting from that very same  ‘ failed ideology’. So much for capitalism !

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2020, 10:35:43 PM »
I find it really interesting that when Labour’s manifesto suggested £96 billion of spending there was cries of derision not least from you yet fast forward 3 months and you are set to benefit from the government’s £330 billion payout for businesses and not a peep about spending. Further having given socialism a kicking for months yet when your business is at risk of going down the tubes you don’t mind benefiting from that very same  ‘ failed ideology’. So much for capitalism !
Can you tell me how your off-topic rant is relevant to what I wrote, which was:

“Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days”
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2020, 10:49:37 PM »
Can you tell me how your off-topic rant is relevant to what I wrote, which was:

“Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days”

You do not dictate the direction of the debate, much as you’d like to. I understand the attempt to deflect though.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2020, 10:52:43 PM »
You do not dictate the direction of the debate, much as you’d like to. I understand the attempt to deflect though.
Oh the irony.  I post on topic, no ad homs, and you completely deflect with insults and false accusations.  Hilarious!!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2020, 10:55:45 PM »
Oh the irony.  I post on topic, no ad homs, and you completely deflect with insults and false accusations.  Hilarious!!

So you now believe in government intervention ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2020, 11:06:23 PM »
So you now believe in government intervention ?
In case you haven’t noticed, the government (and governments throughout the world) haven’t  decided to throw money at business and people because they suddenly decided socialism was the way forward, it’s because the world is facing an unprecedented crisis.  Once the health crisis is over, it will be back to the evils of capitalism just you wait and see!  FYI I believe in caring capitalism, a concept you have previously sneered at.  I think what is happening right now around the world demonstrates that concept pretty well. 
Congratulations for successfully taking the thread away from the topic and from the point I made.  It’s certainly something you are skilled at, well done.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2020, 11:07:10 PM »
Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2020, 11:15:13 PM »
In case you haven’t noticed, the government (and governments throughout the world) haven’t  decided to throw money at business and people because they suddenly decided socialism was the way forward, it’s because the world is facing an unprecedented crisis.  Once the health crisis is over, it will be back to the evils of capitalism just you wait and see!  FYI I believe in caring capitalism, a concept you have previously sneered at.  I think what is happening right now around the world demonstrates that concept pretty well. 
Congratulations for successfully taking the thread away from the topic and from the point I made.  It’s certainly something you are skilled at, well done.

But socialism is the way forward...the market couldn’t answer the questions asked of it but socialism could, as it did with the recession of 2008...and will in the future.

Caring capitalism  @)(++(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2020, 11:17:13 PM »
But socialism is the way forward...the market couldn’t answer the questions asked of it but socialism could, as it did with the recession of 2008...and will in the future.

Caring capitalism  @)(++(*
Socialism is the way forward  @)(++(*
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2020, 11:20:00 PM »
Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-scientists-letter-government-plan-herd-immunity-a9402661.html

https://www.thecanary.co/discovery/analysis-discovery/2020/03/15/johnsons-coronavirus-chaos-criticised-by-uk-doctors-demanding-greater-transparency/
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2020, 11:27:52 PM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-scientists-letter-government-plan-herd-immunity-a9402661.html

https://www.thecanary.co/discovery/analysis-discovery/2020/03/15/johnsons-coronavirus-chaos-criticised-by-uk-doctors-demanding-greater-transparency/
These are already massively out of date, things have moved on at a pace since the weekend.  You can cut and paste  as many links as you like, at the end of the day the facts will speak for themselves.  If the Government’s handling of this crisis is causing unavoidable  deaths then the stats will reflect this.  So far our death rate per head of population is well down compared to other EU countries, maybe that will change, maybe it won’t.  Perhaps you’d like to give examples of governments doing a much better job at containing the virus?  China perhaps?  Are they socialists in your view?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2020, 12:01:48 AM »
These are already massively out of date, things have moved on at a pace since the weekend.  You can cut and paste  as many links as you like, at the end of the day the facts will speak for themselves.  If the Government’s handling of this crisis is causing unavoidable  deaths then the stats will reflect this.  So far our death rate per head of population is well down compared to other EU countries, maybe that will change, maybe it won’t.  Perhaps you’d like to give examples of governments doing a much better job at containing the virus?  China perhaps?  Are they socialists in your view?

The amount of deaths are going up day on day. How many of those were AVOIDABLE we will only see in the fullness of time. That Johnson has changed the direction of travel on the virus this week ( remember I started this thread 6 days ago ) suggests that a change was needed. Perhaps the scientist pointing out he was making a hash of it changed that direction....who knows...but the fact that frontline NHS workers still have inadequate protection and are not being tested for the virus suggests that Johnson’s slow response is still impacting on those bearing the heaviest burden.

I noticed Johnson talked this afternoon about remote briefings....he really doesn’t like scrutiny, does he ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?