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Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2013, 10:41:33 PM »
The PJ searched that Arao road as the result of a strange map with the location marked on it in dutch.
P.S.  http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/letter-claims-location-of-maddies-body/2007/06/14/1181414403856.html
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2013, 03:27:22 PM »
Thanks Pegasus. That letter said buried under rocks. "The letter said the girl should be found six to seven metres from a road. We have been there but haven't seen anything, but the area is so wide that you should be there with 100 searchers."



"A teenager, who was with her family at Ocean Club, saw Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins talking."

Is this person in the files?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 05:59:35 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #137 on: November 18, 2013, 01:50:00 AM »
Does anyone remember the Petrol Station in Marrakesh (Mari Olli statement) and many white lorries being parked there and them  being the same as a white lorry being parked next to 5A.

I remember this being discussed a lot back in 2007.. Was this big white lorry parked next to 5A ever investigated?

I remember the forum sending the info to the police but never knew if this was investigated??

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #138 on: November 18, 2013, 01:11:33 PM »
Date of Inspection: 13th June 2007

Place: Lagos. EN 125 in the Portimao-Lagos direction, turn before Odiaxere to Varzea do Arau. Arao road, km 5.1, next to the road on the right about 4 metres from the verge.

Description of the site: Shrub land (at the beginning of a dirt track).

1 blanket in a poor state of conservation, pink on one side and orange on the other.
 

Extract from the statement of GNR officer, Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacao:

'When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann's apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search.'

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Madeleine's blanket went missing!
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 01:19:30 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Cudge

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #139 on: November 18, 2013, 01:17:32 PM »
Extract from the statement of GNR officer, Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacao:

'When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann's apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search.'

So did the GNR dispose of the Pink/Orange Blanket on the roadside  after it had failed to produce any results ?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2013, 01:20:35 PM »
I presume they still have it as possible evidence. "the area is so wide that you should be there with 100 searchers."
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Cudge

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2013, 01:22:56 PM »
I presume they still have it as possible evidence. "the area is so wide that you should be there with 100 searchers."

I meant the first time round if we are assuming that it is the same article.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2013, 01:31:45 PM »
So did the GNR dispose of the Pink/Orange Blanket on the roadside  after it had failed to produce any results ?

I can't see that happening.

Madeleine's pink blanket wasn't seen again after the 4th May. This blanket was found on 13 June after a letter was addressed to a dutch newspaper telling the location where Madeleine was buried.

Officers in Portugal are investigating the letter's claims and are poised to visit Odiaxere. Dutch police said part of the reason the letter was being taken so seriously was because it was similar to one sent to the same newspaper last June following the disappearance from the city of Liege, in Belgium, of two girls: Stacy Lemmens, seven, and Natalie Mahy, 10.

In that case the author claimed to know where the girls had been buried. The children's bodies were found two weeks later in a storm drain near a railway crossing a short distance from the location identified in the letter.

Sita Koenders, from the Dutch police headquarters in Amsterdam, said today De Telegraaf had received the letter on Monday and passed it straight to the police.

"We carried out forensic investigations straight away and, as soon as the report from the forensic tests came in, we sent it to the Portuguese police. We are awaiting instructions from the Portuguese and will start an inquiry into finding the author if that is required," Mr Koenders said.

"We are taking this very, very seriously. We have to."
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 01:36:43 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2013, 02:48:59 PM »
Two police vans and seven unmarked police cars were involved in the search in the tiny village of Arao, north east of Praia da Luz.

 Cordons were established on all roads surrounding the search area – a desolate hillside covered in trees and wasteland just north of the main road to Faro.

 As the officers searched, unseasonal rain fell sporadically.

 The formal search was carried out two days after Portuguese police were told about an anonymous letter alleging that Madeleine had been buried under rocks in the area.

 The letter, which was accompanied by a map marked with a cross, was sent to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf on Monday.

 Publishing the details on Wednesday, it said Madeleine's body was lying hidden in scrubland just seven metres from the road.

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2013, 02:59:32 PM »
I can't see that happening.

Madeleine's pink blanket wasn't seen again after the 4th May. This blanket was found on 13 June after a letter was addressed to a dutch newspaper telling the location where Madeleine was buried.

Officers in Portugal are investigating the letter's claims and are poised to visit Odiaxere. Dutch police said part of the reason the letter was being taken so seriously was because it was similar to one sent to the same newspaper last June following the disappearance from the city of Liege, in Belgium, of two girls: Stacy Lemmens, seven, and Natalie Mahy, 10.

In that case the author claimed to know where the girls had been buried. The children's bodies were found two weeks later in a storm drain near a railway crossing a short distance from the location identified in the letter.

Sita Koenders, from the Dutch police headquarters in Amsterdam, said today De Telegraaf had received the letter on Monday and passed it straight to the police.

"We carried out forensic investigations straight away and, as soon as the report from the forensic tests came in, we sent it to the Portuguese police. We are awaiting instructions from the Portuguese and will start an inquiry into finding the author if that is required," Mr Koenders said.

"We are taking this very, very seriously. We have to."

Madeleine's pink blanket WAS NOT FOUND, on the 13 June. Why are you making things up?

Daily Star
by Jerry Lawton
15 June 2007

POLICE fear a beach towel found where a psycho's map says Madeleine McCann is buried could have been used to spirit her away into the night.

The find was made in the Portugese wilderness yesterday at the spot where the map claims the fouryear-old has been buried.

Detectives have sent it for forensic analysis to see if it was the cover Madeleine was wrapped in as whoever snatched her fled from the family's holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz on May 3.

They plan to test it for traces of Madeleine's DNA. An eyewitness to the kidnapping told police she saw a man carrying the youngster off wrapped in a "blanket or towel".

A family friend spotted a man carrying off a small child in a "bundle" on the night of the abduction.

The towel was discovered after a map and letter claiming to reveal a burial site were sent to a Dutch newspaper.

Last June two almost identical maps and a letter were sent to the same paper.

They pinpointed the graves of snatched Belgian stepsisters Nathalie Mahy, 10, and seven-year-old Stacy Lemmens.

Detectives fear whoever sent it could be an international paedophile serial killer.

An investigator who has tracked down 14 missing children has told police Madeleine was snatched by an international paedophile ring leader known as The Frenchman.

Yesterday, eight plainclothes detectives started searching scrubland near a dirt track in Odiaxere, a village nine miles from the abduction scene.

It is the spot where the map claims Madeleine's body has been buried.

A more intensive search of the area was delayed by heavy rain. The towel was discovered by Dutch journalists. They were suspicious because the spot is nine miles from the nearest beach.

Madeleine's mother and father Kate, 38 and Gerry, 39, are waiting anxiously for news.

Last night Gerry told of the family's anguish over the map.

He wrote on his internet blog: "One can imagine how upsetting it is for Kate and me to hear of such claims."

He said Dutch newspaper bosses who revealed the details before police had been able to establish the map's authenticity were "irresponsible, insensitive and cruel".

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2013, 03:03:35 PM »
I found this in the files so how am I making things up? It says blanket found in the files.

Date of Inspection: 13th June 2007

COLLECTION OF BIOLOGICAL VESTIGES

By the Technical Police Nucleus

 Assistant Specialist Irene Trovao

 Report of Collection of Biological Vestiges

 Crime: Disappearance of Minor

 Date: The disappearance occurred on the night of 3rd May 2007.


Place: Lagos. EN 125 in the Portimao-Lagos direction, turn before Odiaxere to Varzea do Arau. Arao road, km 5.1, next to the road on the right about 4 metres from the verge.

Description of the site: Shrub land (at the beginning of a dirt track).

1 blanket in a poor state of conservation, pink on one side and orange on the other.

3 -      Pages 290-291 (Marked: 8 ) On 13 June on the road between Lagos and Portimao near Odiaxere, a blanket, pink on one side and orangey-brown on the other. It was found at the beginning of a dirt road "as indicated by writing in a Dutch newspaper."
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 03:15:12 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2013, 03:12:00 PM »
Now who to believe - the official police files or the Daily Star?  Its a real toughie
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2013, 03:47:10 PM »
04 02 Outros Apensos IV Vol II (02 d) Pages 290 to 291

Policia Judiciaria
Portimao DIC

Date of Inspection: 13th June 2007

COLLECTION OF BIOLOGICAL VESTIGES

By the Technical Police Nucleus

Assistant Specialist Irene Trovao

Report of Collection of Biological Vestiges

Crime: Disappearance of Minor

Date: The disappearance occurred on the night of 3rd May 2007.

Place: Lagos. EN 125 in the Portimao-Lagos direction, turn before Odiaxere to Varzea do Arau. Arao road, km 5.1, next to the road on the right about 4 metres from the verge.

Description of the site: Shrub land (at the beginning of a dirt track).

Vestiges Collected

1 blanket in a poor state of conservation, pink on one side and orange on the other.

Observations: From indications written to a Dutch newspaper.

Signed

Irene Trovao

So they used a Dutch newspaper's say so?  @)(++(* @)(++(*

No photo's taken
 
Same woman who did the fingerprints, with no protective clothing.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2013, 04:03:06 PM »
Lagos to Odiaxere in a straight line is 4 miles

13/6 Trip to Portimao. Leave Luz around 10.30, ping at Odiaxere at 10:38 then a gap followed by Portimao activations from 12:25 until 14:00. Back in Luz mast area by 14:15 (same day as police search in Arao)

9/8 Spent a couple of hours pinging the Odiaxere & Mexilhoeira area. 14:52 - 16:57. Includes a one hour gap between Odiaxere activations (15:57 - 16:57).

10/8 Pinging Odiaxere & Mexilhoeira area again between 11:24 & 13:00 (includes an hour gap at the beginning, in Odiaxere).




« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 05:00:09 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #149 on: November 18, 2013, 05:03:15 PM »
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EN 125 in the Portimao-Lagos direction, turn before Odiaxere to Varzea do Arau. Arao road, km 5.1, next to the road on the right about 4 metres from the verge.
From junction (A) and go about 5.1km to (B) which matches the photo (see dirt track curving to the left in the background) http://binged.it/IcGICo  ???

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