Strange Witness Statements

[pegasus]

From article: "It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2."

That is not correct. Pamela Fenn said May 1.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared
You are assuming "May 2" in the article is a lazy error and not based on first-hand information that it was Wed?
You missed the clue, that the paper actually does have a good source for this?
And did you notice, which organisation this information finally did reach?
I think the crying heard by PF and others was certainly on Wed night.
But seems only me, two peeps who were nearby, and oh yes the most important witness of all, say it was Wed night.

[pathfinder73]

Sean and Madeleine were both crying according to the McCanns. The kids room was next door to Rachel's bedroom. She would have heard them both crying on WED as she stayed in but that didn't happen. If that article got Fenn's date wrong then why should I believe the rest of it is correct.

[pegasus]

Sean and Madeleine were both crying according to the McCanns. The kids room was next door to Rachel's bedroom. She would have heard them both crying on WED as she stayed in but that didn't happen. If that article got Fenn's date wrong then why should I believe the rest of it is correct.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared
This article I posted claims that there exist 4 statements about this.
We can't see those statements, they are not published.
But I can say one thing for certain - if the statements exist then it is absolutely geographically impossible they describe crying on Tuesday night.

[pegasus]

Daily Mail  6th May 2007

A key witness has told police she saw two people in a car acting suspiciously near to the supermarket where tracker dogs lost Madeleine's scent giving rise to fears she was transferred to a vehicle. Joyce Joyce, from Dublin, who is in her 60s, saw the black saloon less than 30 minutes before the toddler went missing. Mrs Joyce's husband, semi-retired businessman Bob, said:" At around 8.30pm on Thursday Joyce saw a black saloon car reversing sharply close to where Madeleine went missing. Joyce hadn't seen the the two occupants before and they were acting in a very strange way. I reported the sighting to police but they didn't seem that interested. But I went back to see detectives the next day and, thankfully, they took a long statement from my wife. They are now investigating everything and seem to think our information is important."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453015/Sniffer-dogs-tracked-Maddy-supermarket.html

[pegasus]

(Source: Vol 4 page 1113).
"We inform you that an Irish citizen, *** ****** who was on holiday in Portugal visited the Black Dove pub in Alvor with his family on 01-05-2007. They were celebrating his youngest daughter's birthday.
Between 10.20 and 11.00 an unknown individual approached his daughter and embraced her but he did not have any link to the group.
Mr ****** thought this strange.
Description of the stranger:
English or Irish citizen
1.67 metres or 1.72 in height.
Aged over 30
Pale complexion
Wearing a dark T-shirt"

IIRC there was something similar in the papers recently?

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html
"and then you know the other area, the other areas I remember going into Kate and Gerry’s err bedroom with Gerry and he’d perhaps you know fling a cupboard open and just have a look and, ah you know and just shut the door and you know in a vein, desperate hope that she might have been err you know in, in the wardrobe or something, and then he, you know flung him, flung himself on the floor and just you know kicking the floor and just with, you know, she’s gone, she’s gone"

[pathfinder73]

Samples sent to the lab.

Between 3pm on August 4th 2007 and 6.30am on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.

Samples 1A to 3B: recovered on the floor.
Samples 4A to 13B: recovered on the wall.
Samples 14A to 15B: recovered behind the sofa.
Sample 16A: recovered from the blue curtain.
Samples 16B: recovered from the white curtain behind the blue curtain. 

All of these elements have been handed over to the Birmingham Forensic Science Services. (FSS)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

. RETAINED MATERIALS, material from items (list), Hairs recovered from the fragments of bushes, tapings from the curtains, CDs of photos supplied from Portugal, DVD of scene examination supplied from Portugal, Photographs and CD of LMG + stain on tile 286/2007 CR/L 5.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

[Brietta]

Small world ... or just a common name?

Policia Judiciaria
Fax
Date: 20-11-2007
To: Euroscut Algarve
From: Paulo Rebelo, Portimao DIC
Ref: 201.07.0GALGS
Subject: Request for Information
Within the context of the investigation mentioned above into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and following the telephone contact made by officers of this police force on the 4th May 2007 with the Traffic Controller of Euroscut Algarve, Rui Afonso, I request your collaboration as quickly as possible, with relation to the security cameras existing on the A22 VIA DO INFANTE motorway, if there are video recordings of these, especially concerning the time period between 21.00 on 3rd May 2007 and 07.00 of the following day, with respect to the stretch of the A22 between Lagos and the border with Spain of V.R.S ANTONIO and in the affirmative case, their preservation and delivery in digital format to this Police department is requested.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO_REBELO.htm

--- Asked, he said he knows ROBERT MURAT since the summer of last year, he thinks. He came to know him through his neighbour R** A*****, who introduced the witness to ROBERT
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p6p1459

 --- Asked, said he knows ROBERT MURAT since the summer of last year, he thinks. He came to know him through his neighbour AFONSO R** http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t8602-sergey-malinka-statement

[Admin]

Well spotted but probably coincidental although interesting all the same. 

[Wonderfulspam]

'SY have said they are not giving a running commentary on the case.  '......

 
A BRITISH woman has told Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine McCann that she overheard a conversation in which a man said: "Why did you bring her here? Now we will have to dispose of the body."

The potential key witness has been interviewed several times in Britain and used to live almost opposite apartment 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the Algarve, from where Madeleine, three, was taken on May 3, 2007.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case


Now, can anyone find a press report on the re-interviewing of the McCanns & their friends?

No, that's right, you can't, there aren't any, because they haven't been.

[pathfinder73]

Julio Manuel Madeira Campos de Carvalho

 --- In Rua 25 de April, ..., Praia da Luz, Mr. J.M.M.C de Carvalho was approached, it having been said that he could have approached the employees of the care centre in the Ocean Club, that that approach could have been done in the street and when he passed them in a white Renault Express.
 --- Informally, he explained not recalling having meddled [interfered] with the care workers, but admitted that he could have made "a pass at [chatted up] English girls".
 --- On the night of the events he was at home with his brother and nephew. At 22h00, through his girlfriend, he learned of the disappearance of the young girl and joined the general people in the searches.
 --- He had nothing else of interest to the investigation.


Stacey Portz

That care service is carried out in four different locations, according to the ages of the children.
• Indicated that there are the following services offered:
------------"BabyClub" (from 4 months until one year)
--- This care centre is next to the "Ocean Club" main reception area.
------------“Toddler (children from one to two years of age)
--- This care centre is next to the "Tapas" restaurant.
--- For children between three and five years the "Mini" service care centre is next to the main reception.
------------“Junior/Kids” (children ages six until 9)
--- This care centre is next to the "Millenium" restaurant.
--- She states that there exists a further service, called "Dining Out Service", for taking care of children during dinner time [evening/night] located above the main reception, between the hours of 19h30 and 23h30.
--- Further still is the "Babysitting" service between 19h30 and 01h00 carried out in the apartments of the persons using it.


Sarah Elizabeth Williamson

Occupation: Childcare Worker

On 3rd May at about 22.30 after having left the apartment where she was living, near to the resort, together with two of her colleagues, Leanne and Kirsty, she met her colleague Amy. She was informed by Amy that Madeleine had disappeared and that she was trying to look for her. For this reason, the witness together with her colleagues joined in the search.

In the search carried out with her colleagues from the OC other individuals (tourists, locals, property owners) also participated.

Later, she cannot say exactly at what time but thinks it was about midnight she noticed officers from the public authorities (police) at the scene taking the appropriate measures for this kind of situation.

When asked, she says that the searches undertaken by OC employees finished at around 04.00 on 4th May with negative results.


Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Occupation: Waiter (The waiter who served Russell O'Brien his steak)

When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine’s parents’ apartment.

[Brietta]

'SY have said they are not giving a running commentary on the case.  '......

 
A BRITISH woman has told Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine McCann that she overheard a conversation in which a man said: "Why did you bring her here? Now we will have to dispose of the body."

The potential key witness has been interviewed several times in Britain and used to live almost opposite apartment 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the Algarve, from where Madeleine, three, was taken on May 3, 2007.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case


Now, can anyone find a press report on the re-interviewing of the McCanns & their friends?

No, that's right, you can't, there aren't any, because they haven't been.

Apparently it was the talk of twitter at the time, I would have thought you might remember that, because the speculation was apparently rampant.
Beyond comprehension why it would be assumed this was any thing other than a legitimate and necessary part of the process which would enable Madeleine's case to be reopened.
You can be rest assured that the Drs McCann were also part of this process.


Madeleine McCann detectives to call in Tapas 7

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are poised to interview the so-called Tapas Seven as their inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann steps up a gear.
The friends of Kate and Gerry McCann, who accompanied them on their holiday to Portugal almost five years ago, are expecting interview requests as soon as officers feel they could assist the investigation.
So far, the Yard’s Maddie Squad has been concentrating on analysing every scrap of evidence in the case from files supplied by Leicestershire police, ­Portuguese detectives and Metodo 3, the Barcelona-based private investig­ators hired by the McCanns.
Officers have flown to Portugal three times and visited Spain twice.
With much of the analysis over, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood wants to put his team of three detective chief inspectors, five detective sergeants and 19 detective constables to good use.
They are being supported by six civilian staff and three officers from the specialist murder review group, bringing the total number on the team to 37. 
By April the cost of the inquiry will be £1.9million but it is thought that figure could double with the “investigative review” going into next year.

After nine months of information gathering, officers are checking statements from key witnesses.

They include the Tapas Seven, so called because they were eating at a tapas bar with Kate and Gerry at the time Madeleine disappeared.

In some cases the Yard officers have asked for documents to be retranslated from ­Portuguese to English so that they are absolutely sure of what was said and meant.

One theory they are examining is that if someone abducted Madeleine they could have had a copy of the key for the holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

The Sunday Express has learned that the Tapas Seven “fully expect” to be asked to go over the statements they made to Portuguese officers shortly after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.
They were also interviewed by Leicestershire detectives, with Portuguese officers in attendance, when they arrived home.
The most significant witness is mother-of-two Jane Tanner, partner of doctor Russell O’Brien, who said she saw a man carrying a child resembling Madeleine some time after 9pm.
Another key witness is Matthew Oldfield, who went to the apartment to check on Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie, who celebrated their seventh birthdays last week.
Mr Oldfield saw the twins in their cot but did not push the door open wide enough to see Madeleine, although he was happy all was well.
All the Tapas Seven fully support the Yard’s review of the case and hope it will provide a breakthrough.
Other members of the group include Mr Oldfield’s wife Rachael, David and Fiona Payne and her mother Dianne Webster.
A Yard spokesman declined to say who would be interviewed and when. “We are not going into that level of details,” he said. “We are not at the stage of speaking to individuals yet. We are laying the groundwork.”
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they and their friends would do everything to assist attempts to discover what happened to Madeleine.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/300185/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-to-call-in-Tapas-7

[ferryman]

on analysing every scrap of evidence in the case from files supplied by Leicestershire police,

Slightly off-topic, but that will presumably include Stuart Prior's report.

I do hope Isabel Duarte gets (or has had) a peep of that, too ...

[Wonderfulspam]

Apparently it was the talk of twitter at the time, I would have thought you might remember that, because the speculation was apparently rampant.
Beyond comprehension why it would be assumed this was any thing other than a legitimate and necessary part of the process which would enable Madeleine's case to be reopened.
You can be rest assured that the Drs McCann were also part of this process.


Madeleine McCann detectives to call in Tapas 7

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are poised to interview the so-called Tapas Seven as their inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann steps up a gear.
The friends of Kate and Gerry McCann, who accompanied them on their holiday to Portugal almost five years ago, are expecting interview requests as soon as officers feel they could assist the investigation.
So far, the Yard’s Maddie Squad has been concentrating on analysing every scrap of evidence in the case from files supplied by Leicestershire police, ­Portuguese detectives and Metodo 3, the Barcelona-based private investig­ators hired by the McCanns.
Officers have flown to Portugal three times and visited Spain twice.
With much of the analysis over, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood wants to put his team of three detective chief inspectors, five detective sergeants and 19 detective constables to good use.
They are being supported by six civilian staff and three officers from the specialist murder review group, bringing the total number on the team to 37. 
By April the cost of the inquiry will be £1.9million but it is thought that figure could double with the “investigative review” going into next year.

After nine months of information gathering, officers are checking statements from key witnesses.

They include the Tapas Seven, so called because they were eating at a tapas bar with Kate and Gerry at the time Madeleine disappeared.

In some cases the Yard officers have asked for documents to be retranslated from ­Portuguese to English so that they are absolutely sure of what was said and meant.

One theory they are examining is that if someone abducted Madeleine they could have had a copy of the key for the holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

The Sunday Express has learned that the Tapas Seven “fully expect” to be asked to go over the statements they made to Portuguese officers shortly after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.
They were also interviewed by Leicestershire detectives, with Portuguese officers in attendance, when they arrived home.
The most significant witness is mother-of-two Jane Tanner, partner of doctor Russell O’Brien, who said she saw a man carrying a child resembling Madeleine some time after 9pm.
Another key witness is Matthew Oldfield, who went to the apartment to check on Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie, who celebrated their seventh birthdays last week.
Mr Oldfield saw the twins in their cot but did not push the door open wide enough to see Madeleine, although he was happy all was well.
All the Tapas Seven fully support the Yard’s review of the case and hope it will provide a breakthrough.
Other members of the group include Mr Oldfield’s wife Rachael, David and Fiona Payne and her mother Dianne Webster.
A Yard spokesman declined to say who would be interviewed and when. “We are not going into that level of details,” he said. “We are not at the stage of speaking to individuals yet. We are laying the groundwork.”
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they and their friends would do everything to assist attempts to discover what happened to Madeleine.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/300185/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-to-call-in-Tapas-7

You can be rest assured that the Drs McCann were also part of this process.

Really?
 
Because an Express article said, once upon a time, that the McCanns are expecting to be re-interviewed?


'Another key witness is Matthew Oldfield, who went to the apartment to check on Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie'

'Mr Oldfield saw the twins in their cot but did not push the door open wide enough to see Madeleine'

I wonder if Mr Oldfield managed to remember if the bedroom window was closed or open, or, indeed, just how many windows there were?

[sadie]

You can be rest assured that the Drs McCann were also part of this process.

Really?
 
Because an Express article said, once upon a time, that the McCanns are expecting to be re-interviewed?


'Another key witness is Matthew Oldfield, who went to the apartment to check on Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie'

'Mr Oldfield saw the twins in their cot but did not push the door open wide enough to see Madeleine'

I wonder if Mr Oldfield managed to remember if the bedroom window was closed or open, or, indeed, just how many windows there were?

Of course they would all be interviewed ... and thoroughly. 

That would be virtually the first step.  It goes without saying