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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #840 on: February 18, 2015, 05:38:52 PM »

Very tedious and lazy posting technique which imo lends nothing to the debate on the forum.

We can all read what is already in the public domain ... so what is the point in lifting something (sometimes dubious content to say the least) and posting it without remark.

If we all did it it the forum would become the most boring on the net.
Agreed - surely the onus should be on the poster to explain what is supposedly so strange about these statements?

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #841 on: February 18, 2015, 05:47:58 PM »
Agreed - surely the onus should be on the poster to explain what is supposedly so strange about these statements?

One of Constable Sylvia Baptistas strange statements. She had known the Murats for 30 years, but didn't know they had a son. She saw him on 3rd May.

 Witness Statement

Silvia Maria Correio Ramos Batista

Date: 2007 ? 05 ? 15

She is responsible for maintenance of the OC resort in P da L. Because of her profession she knows many people from the English community who are resident in P da L.

She knows the Murat family, had done for about 30 years. Mainly Mr Murat and his wife, Jenny. Mr Murat was linked to a civil construction business and the development of tourist resorts, in Salema as far as she knows. Mr Murat died some years ago.

The Murats live in a house near to the OC, called Casa Liliana. When asked she says she does not remember whether the Murats have a son.

When asked, she says that on the night of Madeleine?s disappearance, 3rd May, she was called by her boss at about 22.30. As she lives in Lagos, she arrived shortly afterwards at the resort. There were about 60 people close to apartment 5 A, helping to look for the girl.

She remembers, but is not absolutely certain, given the time that has passed, that from the start, there was an individual helping to look for Madeleine, about 1.70 tall, with sort, light brown hair, with thin framed, brown glasses, who was also helping to search.

She does not remember at what time she saw him. She does not remember how he was dressed. She does not remember whom he was with or know if he arrived on foot or by car.

The same individual, she knew later to be the son of the Murat?s, Robert Murat.


Robert speaks fluent English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR in Lagos, and later the PJ to translate the witness statements of some English individuals.

In principal, she thinks it should be possible to confirm whether Murat was there on the date that Madeleine disappeared as well as other details, with Paul and June from the Duke of Holland bar and Mr Byron from the property administration company JNB in P da L.
She clarifies that on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or even Monday (07-05-2007) she spoke to Robert for the first time, during breaks between interviews, where he was acting as translator.

She describes him as a pleasant and easy going individual. He was quite open and extrovert in the conversations with her, he never spoke of anything personal.

Reads, ratifies, signs.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #842 on: February 18, 2015, 06:00:09 PM »

Very tedious and lazy posting technique which imo lends nothing to the debate on the forum.

We can all read what is already in the public domain ... so what is the point in lifting something (sometimes dubious content to say the least) and posting it without remark.

If we all did it it the forum would become the most boring on the net.

People can think for themselves about the facts posted. Kate concerned about priests, supermarket deliveries and sitting on the bed instead of searching. She did finally go out when nobody else was! Have SY been doing any mobile tracking?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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« Reply #843 on: February 18, 2015, 06:26:09 PM »
People can think for themselves about the facts posted. Kate concerned about priests, supermarket deliveries and sitting on the bed instead of searching. She did finally go out when nobody else was! Have SY been doing any mobile tracking?


Your previous three lengthy posts have elicited zero response, PF, and that is par for the course ... I think you are in danger that other posters are just ignoring your posts because there is actually nothing to be said and everyone has their own opinion anyway.

When you are thinking for yourself you seem to be fixated with ground hog day.

Priest? Supermarket deliveries?? Sitting on the bed instead of being out demanding entry to every domicile in PDL to search it? and as far as the phones are concerned not only did the PJ check them out, SY did too ... and guess what? that checking led them to sending out letters of request to interview persons of interest in Portugal.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #844 on: February 18, 2015, 06:44:30 PM »

Very tedious and lazy posting technique which imo lends nothing to the debate on the forum.

We can all read what is already in the public domain ... so what is the point in lifting something (sometimes dubious content to say the least) and posting it without remark.

If we all did it it the forum would become the most boring on the net.

I suppose I should be thankful that only a few of you do it  8(0(*
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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #845 on: February 18, 2015, 07:10:55 PM »

Your previous three lengthy posts have elicited zero response, PF, and that is par for the course ... I think you are in danger that other posters are just ignoring your posts because there is actually nothing to be said and everyone has their own opinion anyway.

When you are thinking for yourself you seem to be fixated with ground hog day.

Priest? Supermarket deliveries?? Sitting on the bed instead of being out demanding entry to every domicile in PDL to search it? and as far as the phones are concerned not only did the PJ check them out, SY did too ... and guess what? that checking led them to sending out letters of request to interview persons of interest in Portugal.

SY can track down this family friend in Portugal who got them mobile phones if they want to do some real detective work.

I mean err it may well have been SA gave us a contact of someone that was a friend of the family in Portugal who err could get us mobile phones because Kate and Gerry you know hadn't got any contact, you know way of contacting, their batteries were running out or something like that so SA had basically said err you know there's, there's these people that we know there and you know that could have been it.' (DP)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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« Reply #846 on: February 19, 2015, 12:06:28 PM »
SY can track down this family friend in Portugal who got them mobile phones if they want to do some real detective work.

I mean err it may well have been SA gave us a contact of someone that was a friend of the family in Portugal who err could get us mobile phones because Kate and Gerry you know hadn't got any contact, you know way of contacting, their batteries were running out or something like that so SA had basically said err you know there's, there's these people that we know there and you know that could have been it.' (DP)

From the source you have omitted to cite ...

1485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Is it your insinuation that when asked a direct question Dr David Payne refused to answer?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #847 on: February 19, 2015, 12:25:18 PM »
From the source you have omitted to cite ...

1485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Is it your insinuation that when asked a direct question Dr David Payne refused to answer?

Have they been questioned? No they haven't so SY can go do it and investigate the St. James lead.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #848 on: February 19, 2015, 12:32:33 PM »
SY can track down this family friend in Portugal who got them mobile phones if they want aome real detective work.

I mean err it may well have been SA gave us a contact of someone that was a friend of the family in Portugal who err could get us mobile phones because Kate and Gerry you know hadn't got any contact, you know way of contacting, their batteries were running out or something like that so SA had basically said err you know there's, there's these people that we know there and you know that could have been it.' (DP)

The revelations over these phones only goes to confirm that the McCanns were not isolated in a foreign domain as has been constantly portrayed.  What other facilities were made available to them by this shady so called family acquaintance?

Mores to the point, why is the name of this acquaintance not in the files?
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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #849 on: February 19, 2015, 12:41:04 PM »
The revelations over these phones only goes to confirm that the McCanns were not isolated in a foreign domain as has been constantly portrayed.  What other facilities were made available to them by this shady so called family acquaintance?

Mores to the point, why is the name of this acquaintance not in the files?

Certainly a question for the PJ or even the mysterious  NICKED AND WHATEVER who perhaps worked on the transcript which must have been translated from English to Portuguese then translated back to English??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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« Reply #850 on: February 19, 2015, 01:45:14 PM »
The revelations over these phones only goes to confirm that the McCanns were not isolated in a foreign domain as has been constantly portrayed.  What other facilities were made available to them by this shady so called family acquaintance?

Mores to the point, why is the name of this acquaintance not in the files?

It is, if you had taken the time to read the file quoted from, before slagging people off.  Simon Aldridge!
Why is he shady, do you know him?

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« Reply #851 on: February 19, 2015, 02:06:09 PM »
Certainly a question for the PJ or even the mysterious  NICKED AND WHATEVER who perhaps worked on the transcript which must have been translated from English to Portuguese then translated back to English??

Seems like another translation error.

1485 "The first one, the phone number ends in, and I'll just give you the last four digits.'
 Reply "Will you just hang on two secs, this is a bit, okay.'

1485 "It's ****.'
 Reply "**** SA.'
1485 "And who's SA''
 Reply "Err he is err my, Fiona's sister LW, that's her husband.'
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« Reply #852 on: February 19, 2015, 02:20:13 PM »
Seems like another translation error.

1485 "The first one, the phone number ends in, and I'll just give you the last four digits.'
 Reply "Will you just hang on two secs, this is a bit, okay.'

1485 "It's ****.'
 Reply "**** SA.'
1485 "And who's SA''
 Reply "Err he is err my, Fiona's sister LW, that's her husband.'

I think what he was trying to say was.............I filled in the blanks in red

1485 "And who's SA''
Reply "Err he is err my Brother in law, Fiona's sister L Webster, SA That's her husband
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« Reply #853 on: February 19, 2015, 02:31:38 PM »
I think what he was trying to say was.............

Reply "Err he is err my(Brother in law), Fiona's sister L Webster, (SA) that's her husband.'
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I didn't know that they were there, though.

I thought it may be Fiona's brother, LW husband of Diane? Her sister wouldn't be a Webster if married. SA was the aquantance.

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« Reply #854 on: February 19, 2015, 02:48:15 PM »
I thought it may be Fiona's brother, LW husband of Diane? Her sister wouldn't be a Webster if married. SA was the aquantance.

Must dig my DVD's out, lol.

Confusing DCI,
I added the Webster in, as that would be fiona's maiden name. Maybe divorced and this is why he stopped himself saying brother in law? DP does seem to stop and start in his statements. LOL
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