Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail

[Passer-by]

Have you got any more anecdotes about how unlikely it is for tourists to trust a taxi driver to take them to a township?

Got any more fantasies about him being naive enough to think a poor illegal taxi driver could organise a helicopter to land on the moon Table Mountain?

[dewanifacts]

  you are indeed having to find facts to prove Dewani's innocence,

We don't need to find anything. The facts were all presented in court. There was overwhelmingly strong evidence that no agreement existed between Zola Tongo and Shrien Dewani, and that the hitman story was fabricated by three criminals who had a very strong incentive to do so.

As for why Dewani hasn't spoken. We've already discussed this. I've twice in this thread elaborated with my own personal thoughts on why he possibly hasn't spoken, and my own personal view that he would do himself a great service if he did indeed speak to explain some of his actions.

Are you going to share your thoughts on why the NPA is declining to prosecute Mbolmobo?

[Passer-by]

Just to help you a long a bit, you have repeatedly said or inferred that in an interview with journalist Nick Parker he said he was hoping to arrange a helicopter trip 'up to the top of Table Mountain' - the helicopters fly round it, but you fantasised that the reason he didn't arrange it himself by telephoning the company or walking round to it he had been - purely in your fantasy - persuaded that the Taxidriver could cut a special deal to get a helicopter to actually land on top illegally - and you f[ censored word]ised that that was what he really meant by 'up to the top of Table Mountain'

Herewith a Guardian article citing Nick Parker's evidence in court:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/20/male-escort-shrien-dewani-sell-story-sun-court

"As part of his defence, Dewani says that while he did bring this cash on that journey, it was intended not as payment for murder, but as a deposit on a surprise helicopter trip he and the taxi driver were planning for later in couple’s Cape Town stay.  Parker confirmed that Dewani made no mention of such a helicopter trip during his tape-recorded 80-minute interview."

I've given you stacks of 'anecdotes' about the helicopter, including a map marking how close it was to the hotel, pointed out the ease of finding out its phone number, etc.  and you have ignored the lot.

See, my anecdotes are based in fact whereas your fantasies are based in your fertile imagination.

[Passer-by]

We don't need to find anything. The facts were all presented in court. There was overwhelmingly strong evidence that no agreement existed between Zola Tongo and Shrien Dewani, and that the hitman story was fabricated by three criminals who had a very strong incentive to do so.

As for why Dewani hasn't spoken. We've already discussed this. I've twice in this thread elaborated with my own personal thoughts on why he possibly hasn't spoken, and my own personal view that he would do himself a great service if he did indeed speak to explain some of his actions.

Are you going to share your thoughts on why the NPA is declining to prosecute Mbolmobo?

I should imagine because they've already f***ed up the rest of it.  You clearly haven't got the scale of crime, especially murders, they are having to deal with.  So many cases end like this.

[dewanifacts]

Just to help you a long a bit, you have repeatedly said or inferred that in an interview with journalist Nick Parker he said he was hoping to arrange a helicopter trip 'up to the top of Table Mountain' - the helicopters fly round it, but you fantasised that the reason he didn't arrange it himself by telephoning the company or walking round to it he had been - purely in your fantasy - persuaded that the Taxidriver could cut a special deal to get a helicopter to actually land on top illegally - and you f[ censored word]ised that that was what he really meant by 'up to the top of Table Mountain'

Herewith a Guardian article citing Nick Parker's evidence in court:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/20/male-escort-shrien-dewani-sell-story-sun-court

"As part of his defence, Dewani says that while he did bring this cash on that journey, it was intended not as payment for murder, but as a deposit on a surprise helicopter trip he and the taxi driver were planning for later in couple’s Cape Town stay.  Parker confirmed that Dewani made no mention of such a helicopter trip during his tape-recorded 80-minute interview."

I've given you stacks of 'anecdotes' about the helicopter, including a map marking how close it was to the hotel, pointed out the ease of finding out its phone number, etc.  and you have ignored the lot.

See, my anecdotes are based in fact whereas your fantasies are based in your fertile imagination.

Yet again, you've gotten it wrong. I have never stated that the journalist was Nick Parker. The journalist was in fact Dan Newling. The information is elaborated upon in his book "Bitter Dawn", but it alluded to in this article.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/545226/Dan-Newling-journalist-comment-Shrien-Dewani-case-built-sand-plea-bargains

[dewanifacts]

.  So many cases end like this.

Can you tell me some of these "many" cases where witnesses have perjured themselves, had their immunity from prosecution withdrawn by a judge and then been given a free pass by the NPA?

[Passer-by]

Can you tell me some of these "many" cases where witnesses have perjured themselves, had their immunity from prosecution withdrawn by a judge and then been given a free pass by the NPA?

No:  can you tell me how many haven't?

[dewanifacts]

I've given you stacks of 'anecdotes' about the helicopter, including a map marking how close it was to the hotel, pointed out the ease of finding out its phone number, etc.  and you have ignored the lot.

See, my anecdotes are based in fact whereas your fantasies are based in your fertile imagination.

I have not ignored your anecdotes. I have labeled them irrelevant because they don't bring us any closer to the truth.

There is a sandwich shop across the road from where I work. In 15 years I have never once bought a sandwich from there. I buy my sandwiches from another shop that is further away and is more expensive. I know this story must seem completely insane to you, but I can assure you that is the truth, no matter how unlikely you may deem it to be.

[dewanifacts]

No:  can you tell me how many haven't?

No, however I'm not the one making outlandish claims as to the outcomes of "many" cases. 

I'm glad we cleared that up quickly.

[Passer-by]

Yet again, you've gotten it wrong. I have never stated that the journalist was Nick Parker. The journalist was in fact Dan Newling. The information is elaborated upon in his book "Bitter Dawn", but it alluded to in this article.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/545226/Dan-Newling-journalist-comment-Shrien-Dewani-case-built-sand-plea-bargains

I'm sorry, I got the reporter wrong.  But I still don't see where it says the Taxidriver told Dewani he could organise the helicopter trip at all, let alone getting it to do something illegal. And I still don't know why a millionaire who can afford a helicopter trip and budgeted £4000 cash in addition to his credit card would save himself maybe £20 tops on using an illegal taxi in the car park instead of a legal taxi parked right outside the airport exit to have got himself hooked up with this person in the first place.  I still haven't heard any evidence about how he managed to bypass all the legal taxis nor anything to link the Taxidriver to an alleged helicopter trip.

Nor have I got much of a response to my posts highlighting the strange behaviour of changing 'money' (dollars? gold?) at a dodgy jewellers shop, nor why he didn't either give the Taxidriver the money to arrange the helicopter trip there and then or either drive round to the point of the Waterfront at that time to arrange it direct with the pilot himself.

[dewanifacts]

Still plugging away at the unlikelihoods I see.

Doesn't look like you have much interest in examining the unlikelihoods in the alternative scenario mentioned in reply #324. Given those ones a wide berth, you have.

 

[Passer-by]

No, however I'm not the one making outlandish claims as to the outcomes of "many" cases. 

I'm glad we cleared that up quickly.

No, you're making your own 'outlandish claims'.

Report by The South African Law Commission
Paragraph 5.1, Figure 2
http://www.justice.gov.za/salrc/rpapers/rp18.pdf

"Only 5.7% of the sampled violent crime cases had resulted in a conviction two years after the report of those crimes to the Police".

And you place a lot of value on what "learned" judges of South Africa say, so are you happy now?  So let's hear no more about the prosecution of the hotel receptionist who wasn't at the murder and concentrate on Dewani, who was.

[dewanifacts]

We're very much concerned with the hotel receptionist being a free man, despite having admitted playing a key role in the operation that took Anni's life. Justice has been done with Shrien Dewani's acquittal.

[Passer-by]

Still plugging away at the unlikelihoods I see.

Doesn't look like you have much interest in examining the unlikelihoods in the alternative scenario mentioned in reply #324. Given those ones a wide berth, you have.

 

No, I'm plugging away at the likelihoods: 

the likelihood of him pitching up from India with gold, changing it to rand in the illegal and unrecorded money-change in the dodgy jewellers right next to a bank and giving Tongo half the cash up front for the hit, followed by the money he was supposed to leave in the Taxi - the money he was secretly texting the Taxidriver about whilst the two of them were in the car with Anni right before her murder - being the balance of payment.

But you won't address that for some reason - and you have no facts to explain it.

[Passer-by]

We're very much concerned with the hotel receptionist being a free man, despite having admitted playing a key role in the operation that took Anni's life. Justice has been done with Shrien Dewani's acquittal.

I will be disengaging from further discussion with you. Your posts are becoming more and more aggressive and less and less rational.

Nothing aggressive in my posts:  incessant mudslinging and aggression in yours.  You asked for proof against my 'outlandish' suggestion the outcome with the receptionist was perfectly normal and I have replied with facst from the South African Law Commission showing it was not outlandish it was true.

But thank you for conceding you've got no reply to it, not even conjecture or fantasy.