Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Mr Gray]

You are the one saying it is incorrect, prove it is incorrect.

I've asked sil for a cite... Are you saying he doesn't have to provide one

[ShiningInLuz]

I've asked sil for a cite... Are you saying he doesn't have to provide one

I've already provided the source.

[Robittybob1]

Eddie alerted to blood.  Simple.

I might agree with you about the blood but I said "in a situation of a past presence of a cadaver ...."  The body (the cadaver) would have a different set of factors compared to decomposing blood IMO.

Davel is trying to say that when blood decomposed it would not produce cadaverine.  That is his problem, for we don't know what chemicals a dog recognises when they alert to a cadaver.  Would a cadaver dog recognise decomposed blood.  I imagine that would depend on the training it got.

[Mr Gray]

I've already provided the source.

what source...we know eddie alerts to blood....are you suggesting blood produces cadaverine...idf so all cdaver dogs would react to blood...i thinkits common knowledge they dont....then we have aeddie alerting where keela did not...so no blood present..you have failed to provide a cte

[Mr Gray]

Cite please.

cite for what...

[Mr Gray]

I might agree with you about the blood but I said "in a situation of a past presence of a cadaver ...."  The body (the cadaver) would have a different set of factors compared to decomposing blood IMO.

Davel is trying to say that when blood decomposed it would not produce cadaverine.  That is his problem, for we don't know what chemicals a dog recognises when they alert to a cadaver.  Would a cadaver dog recognise decomposed blood.  I imagine that would depend on the training it got.

the question is does decomposed blood produce cadaverine...i remeber providing a cite that it doesnt...but cant find it now...if it did then all cadaver dogs would react to blood....afaik...they dont...so therefore blood does not produce cadaverine so sil is wrong....and still has not provided a cite

[G-Unit]

In my opinion no-one can set a time limit on how long a body must be in a location before a trained dog can detect it.

[Robittybob1]

Cite... That's absolute rubbish and explains how little you understand.  If a body is immediately  removed from the, apartment there will be no residual scent whatsoever

I tend to agree with you Davel in the case of a body.  "If a body is immediately  removed after death occurs, from the apartment there will be no residual scent whatsoever"

[Mr Gray]

Try Martin Grimes statement.

It requires no more than a nose bleed, or a graze boarding the flight to Faro.

no it doesnt ,...wrong again...teh dogs can detect the tiniest amount of blood

[Robittybob1]

no it doesnt ,...wrong again...teh dogs can detect the tiniest amount of blood

You are both saying the same thing basically.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion no-one can set a time limit on how long a body must be in a location before a trained dog can detect it.

I think we can....30 mins certainly isnt time enough imo...then we ahve death from a fall...deathfrom a head injury would be due to a subdural haemorrhage...that takes hours to kill...ther is just not enough time

[Mr Gray]

I tend to agree with you Davel in the case of a body.  "If a body is immediately  removed after death occurs, from the apartment there will be no residual scent whatsoever"

then why are you allowing sil to post and not provide  acite

[Mr Gray]

You are both saying the same thing basically.

no we are not...you have allowed sil not to provide a cite...

[Robittybob1]

the question is does decomposed blood produce cadaverine...i remeber providing a cite that it doesnt...but cant find it now...if it did then all cadaver dogs would react to blood....afaik...they dont...so therefore blood does not produce cadaverine so sil is wrong....and still has not provided a cite

The difference you are talking about is dried blood and decomposed blood.  If blood dries before it decomposes it will smell like dried blood (Keela alerts to dried blood) but if it decomposes before it dries a cadaver dog will detect it (Eddie alerts to cadaver odour).

[Mr Gray]

The difference you are talking about is dried blood and decomposed blood.  If blood dries before it decomposes it will smell like dried blood (Keela alerts to dried blood) but if it decomposes before it dries a cadaver dog will detect it (Eddie alerts to cadaver odour).

eddie alerts to dried blood from a living person as well...you are wrong to differentiate the reaction of the two dogs to blood...eddis alerts to cadaver odour and dried blood from a living person