Was Anyone Right To Criticise The Policia Judiciaria?

[Holly Goodhead]

If it had gone to trial and a possible miscarriage of justice occurred in opinion then yes it may be,but dogs alone?

Alleged 'staging' of 5a was another flag raised was it not.

I thought the shutter was raised not a flag?

[barrier]

I thought the shutter was raised not a flag?

I never mentioned the shutter but it was staged so it was thought,I'll have to find a link.

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

[Mr Gray]

If it had gone to trial and a possible miscarriage of justice occurred in opinion then yes it may be,but dogs alone?

Staging of 5a was another flag raised was it not.

I never said the dogs alone... But according to Almeida the alerts were the main evidence

[Mr Gray]

I never mentioned the shutter but it was staged so it was thought,I'll have to find a link.

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

That was the conclusion of the police report based on flawed evidence... That's why I'm happy to criticise the pj

[Holly Goodhead]

I never mentioned the shutter but it was staged so it was thought,I'll have to find a link.

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

I was just being silly about a flag being raised.

I had thought initially KM might have 'staged' the shutter/window not to cover up anything about MM's disappearance per se but because she felt embarrassed, guilty etc about leaving the children alone in the unlocked apartment.  So I was kind of with PJ on it.  But now I believe the abductor(s) staged the shutter/window as it all fits puuuuurfectly with my theory.

[barrier]

That was the conclusion of the police report based on flawed evidence... That's why I'm happy to criticise the pj

You don't know the evidence was flawed,what else can you bring to the table except dogs to further that criticism.

[Mr Gray]

You don't know the evidence was flawed,what else can you bring to the table except dogs to further that criticism.

Almeida referred to the alerts as the main evidence... So that was flawed.. Then the FSS report..

[Holly Goodhead]

That was the conclusion of the police report based on flawed evidence... That's why I'm happy to criticise the pj

But is it a man thing in that a group of investigators almost exclusively male cannot simply say 'sorry we've done our best and we can't solve it'.

The case against the McCanns was a non-starter hence it went nowhere.  In other cases the so-called evidence against individuals has been weak or non-existent but the police resort to 'noble cause corruption' and other such measures and then we end up with miscarriages of justice.

[Holly Goodhead]

You don't know the evidence was flawed,what else can you bring to the table except dogs to further that criticism.

What evidence are you referring to?

[barrier]

What evidence are you referring to?

There has to be other evidence not solely the dogs,I'd suggest we are not party to it,but what ever it was/is is not strong enough for a court to hear.imo

[Holly Goodhead]

There has to be other evidence not solely the dogs,I'd suggest we are not party to it,but what ever it was/is is not strong enough for a court to hear.imo

Why does there have to be other 'evidence'?

[Mr Gray]

But is it a man thing in that a group of investigators almost exclusively male cannot simply say 'sorry we've done our best and we can't solve it'.

The case against the McCanns was a non-starter hence it went nowhere.  In other cases the so-called evidence against individuals has been weak or non-existent but the police resort to 'noble cause corruption' and other such measures and then we end up with miscarriages of justice.

The misunderstanding of the evidence meant the investigation went in the wrong direction

[Holly Goodhead]

The misunderstanding of the evidence meant the investigation went in the wrong direction

Not for long though, eh.  This shows the 'evidence' was non-existent.

Could have been worse might have ended up wrongfully convicted like Amanda Knox in a foreign jail.

[Venturi Swirl]

No police force is above criticism, especially one that fails to find a missing child, and fails to solve the case, that goes for any police force anywhere.  Furthermore, the PJ have been criticised by people who are well-placed to judge and they are entitled to their opinions,  In Malaysia you must not question the police or speculate about what happened on pain of punishment, let’s hope we never find ourselves living in a society where one may not criticise those wielding the power.

[G-Unit]

I think the personal attacks by the UK media on the Policia Judiciaria was an absolute disgrace. It was zenophobic and unwarranted. I saw it beginning to develop again towards the Malaysian police recently.

Holly was perfectly right; people are made arguidos because of the questions that the police want to ask them. Murat and the four 'burglars' were made arguidos because of suspicions, not because of hard evidence and it was the same with the McCanns.