Author Topic: Was Paxman correct, McCanns "collaborated with them when it was convenient"?  (Read 21516 times)

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Offline jassi

When children go missing in suspicious circumstances it is usual for their faces to be splashed across papers and news broadcasts for weeks or until they are found - Jamie Bulger, the Soham girls, Ben Needham, Milly Dowler, April Jones, Shannon Matthews, etc.  Would it have been better all round if there had been no publicity in any of these cases?

Except for the Needham case. I don't believe publicity was a factor in solving the cases you mention.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

The McCann method has not been a success so maybe it wasn't the best course to take.
Of course, they should have known that in advance shouldn’t they? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Except for the Needham case. I don't believe publicity was a factor in solving the cases you mention.
I think publicity helped in bringing forward witnesses and suspects in most of those cases actually.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline jassi

Of course, they should have known that in advance shouldn’t they?


I'm really not interested in what they thought
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

When children go missing in suspicious circumstances it is usual for their faces to be splashed across papers and news broadcasts for weeks or until they are found - Jamie Bulger, the Soham girls, Ben Needham, Milly Dowler, April Jones, Shannon Matthews, etc.  Would it have been better all round if there had been no publicity in any of these cases?

Would it? How would I know? I have no basis for an opinion except in the case of the Soham murders the publicity may have lead to a woman in a village a few miles away in the wrong direction wasting police time with an alleged sighting of the girls at a specific time.
What we do know is the unprecedented publicity surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has not delivered anything in the way of a living child, remains, the nature of any crime committed or the identity of a perpetrator.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Venturi Swirl



I'm really not interested in what they thought
How convenient.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Publicity is inevitable. Collaboration is a choice.
Every time a parent appears on tv to give an interview or appeal, or who appears on Crimewatch or gives a newspaper journalist an insight into their grief or who writes a book that is serialised in a paper, is in effect, “collaborating” (like this is a dirty word) by choice. Most of the children I mentioned (and I forgot Sarah Payne) had parents who have “collaborated” with the media.  Damn them all, do you?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline jassi

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

The methodology used to date does not appear to have been a resounding success after 11 years so we know it has not worked thus far.
No other methodology has been attempted as far as one can tell so the efficacy of any untried methodology is unknown.

That is your opinion.

In my opinion the methodology used was successful in having Madeleine's case reviewed here and as we later found out in Portugal also.  Enough missed evidence was found to fully justify reopening the case into her disappearance in both countries.

In my opinion without the very proactive campaigning of her parents on her behalf and their collaboration with the press that goal could never have been achieved.

I am aware of course that there are some who think looking for this missing child and perhaps finding out what happened to her is an expense too far and have denigrated all police activity on her behalf bar that which came to in my opinion, the wrong conclusion eleven years ago.
That is their privilege.

However it is my opinion that until the present investigation is concluded it is premature to sit in judgement on its success.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Lace


Well we don't know what happened do we - or if maddie was abducted imo

You cover all avenues,  Madeleine could have been whisked off to another country,  it makes sense to connect with the nearest and put up posters to make people aware of a missing child isn't it?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Would it? How would I know? I have no basis for an opinion except in the case of the Soham murders the publicity may have lead to a woman in a village a few miles away in the wrong direction wasting police time with an alleged sighting of the girls at a specific time.
What we do know is the unprecedented publicity surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has not delivered anything in the way of a living child, remains, the nature of any crime committed or the identity of a perpetrator.
Many endeavours in life do not end in success and with the benefit of hindsight may never have been embarked upon in the first place, but without being able to see in the future how is one to know which endeavours are worth pursuing in the first place and which are not?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Every time a parent appears on tv to give an interview or appeal, or who appears on Crimewatch or gives a newspaper journalist an insight into their grief or who writes a book that is serialised in a paper, is in effect, “collaborating” (like this is a dirty word) by choice. Most of the children I mentioned (and I forgot Sarah Payne) had parents who have “collaborated” with the media.  Damn them all, do you?

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Offline Lace

Would it? How would I know? I have no basis for an opinion except in the case of the Soham murders the publicity may have lead to a woman in a village a few miles away in the wrong direction wasting police time with an alleged sighting of the girls at a specific time.
What we do know is the unprecedented publicity surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has not delivered anything in the way of a living child, remains, the nature of any crime committed or the identity of a perpetrator.

So,  do you think they shouldn't have bothered?   We don't know if they have identified the perpetrator or not as the investigation is ongoing.


In the case of a missing child who could be anywhere in the world,   as a parent I would not sit back and think,  this is not going to be productive,   I would think get my child's face out there, everywhere.  IMO

Offline Brietta

Would it? How would I know? I have no basis for an opinion except in the case of the Soham murders the publicity may have lead to a woman in a village a few miles away in the wrong direction wasting police time with an alleged sighting of the girls at a specific time.
What we do know is the unprecedented publicity surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has not delivered anything in the way of a living child, remains, the nature of any crime committed or the identity of a perpetrator.

In my opinion collaboration with the press allowed Kate and Gerry to push the case for a living breathing Madeleine who must be looked for as opposed to the preconceived conclusion reached by Amaral and promoted by his supporters holding sway.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Time will tell who was correct.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future