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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010. => Topic started by: mrswah on May 01, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
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http://yeates-archive.livejournal.com
If anyone is interested in reading the original Facebook forum about the case, you can find it at the above link. I have been ploughing through it over the last few weeks, and it makes for some interesting reading.
No point in trying to identify me, though----I was mostly a "lurker"!!!
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Interesting read...... (still reading)
Whilst the case is at trial they are expecting the Sobbing Girl to make an appearance... They remember that MUST be the reason why they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak... Yet she doesn't materialize..
Louise Brown
Noel, You're not taking into account what 'the sobbing woman' must have told the police about him when she contacted them before he was arrested.
Louise that sobbing woman we keep hearing about could be the girlfriend but if so why would she visit him in jail? We dont know who she is or what she told the police. They get hundreds of calls like that. Tabak made one from Holland and Danny is set to go now. Lets hope it doesnt backfire on him. Anyway I thought they were reading this forum for clues so they know me pretty well by now.
I agree... they do get hundreds of calls like that... If I remember correctly I think the call was supposed to have happened the day before they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak.... So why didn't they just think it was a crank and investigate this caller to check their information???
Oh yes I remember..... she didn't exist... (IMO)
The information that was released by the Police before Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest clearly had stuck in the minds of the public... And the expectations that anything the Police had made public would be brought to trial... But we now know differently and they omitted many facts and evidence at the trial... Which only adds to more questions..
Obviously the first post is the last post on the facebook page... So the case is happening as they post....
The quotes are from 23rd October 2011
Thanks for posting it mrswah... I'm going to enjoy reading....
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We do not of course know that - but Tabak's work diaries etc. would give insight into this. It feels creepier by the minute.
Hadn't even thought about Dr Vincent Tabak's work diaries...
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Hadn't even thought about Dr Vincent Tabak's work diaries...
Who says there were any??
Yes, it's interesting stuff, particularly as a few of the people posting were actually present at the trial.
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By the end of the 2nd day of the trial, most of the people posting on that forum must have read one or more accounts of Mr Lickley's long opening of the Prosecution's case. By that time, they ought to have been asking each other why Counsel never once mentioned VT's motive. Since they were people with an above-average interest in murder, their alarm bells ought to have rung. But they didn't.
Most of those people on that forum were acqainted with Agatha Christie, Midsomer Murders, and whatever else of crime mysteries. Motive, means and opportunity are the staple questions that fictional detectives look for, unless the killer turns out to be doolally. So you'd expect posters on a forum at least to pay lip service to the motive. But they didn't. Instead, they accepted that VT was a sex maniac, despite any evidence to back that up, because Mr Lickley told them he was, and that there was, and they trusted him - just like they trusted counsel for the defence, the judge, the police, Ann Reddrop, the magistrates, and the Glaswegian gastroarchaeologist.
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What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".
A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other posters because VT pleaded guilty.
The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for. Not the truth, apparently.
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What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".
A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other posters because VT pleaded guilty.
The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for. Not the truth, apparently.
The difficulty is mrswah, if a defendant pleads guilty to manslaughter and is pronounced fit and able to do so, there is very little in English Law that a prosecutor can do other than apply the full weight of that Law. If someone's pleadings were challenged every time they pleaded guilty I'm afraid the entire justice system would grind to a halt.
In Law, if a person of sound mind pleads guilty then it is accepted by everyone that they are guilty and must face the consequences of their pleading REGARDLESS of whether they are in fact guilty or not.
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The difficulty is mrswah, if a defendant pleads guilty to manslaughter and is pronounced fit and able to do so, there is very little in English Law that a prosecutor can do other than apply the full weight of that Law. If someone's pleadings were challenged every time they pleaded guilty I'm afraid the entire justice system would grind to a halt.
In Law, if a person of sound mind pleads guilty then it is accepted by everyone that they are guilty and must face the consequences of their pleading REGARDLESS of whether they are in fact guilty or not.
The problem is why would he admit guilt in the first place.... There's no benefit for him... his chances were better going in front of a jury with a NOT GUILTY plea, would have had a better outcome...
I believe the defence failed him... I believe the defence didn't properly follow Mandatory Principles for Lawyers in this case (IMO)...
As to whether Dr Vincent Tabak was of sound mind.... we will never know .... His medical evaluation was never produced in court...
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I found these responses interesting... All happy with the revelation of the Porn... even though it was NEVER brought into evidence and NEVER proven... Just goes to prove the POWER of the media ....
Sue Jeffries
Still think manslugheter Minous? Now we know he had a strangling fetish?
Ellen Nieuwenhuijsen
@Minous and all; OMG I am shocked. I never thought this of the defendant. Like I stated on the frontpage of this account; as a Dutch person I feel terrible... and ashamed....
Lynne Kindon
And my very final word to Noel...on your website you say "Vincent Tabak had the misfortune to live next door to Joanna Yeates"...Noel, I think you should hang your head in shame!!!
Minous Montgomery
@Sue I don't think manslaughter now I have heard the facts and to be honest: I think it's extremely irresponsible for this judge that he didn't allow the prosecution to bring in the violent pornography and strangulation phantasies!
It actually really helps me understanding why the prosecution seemed to do such a shitty job AND why they decided to put the Yeates family through this horrendous trial.
I think the verdict is fair and the sentence is fair as well (although I would not have mind a heftier sentence considering his actions after the crime!)
Minous Montgomery
@Sue If it's relevant it's relevant, the prostitutes are not really relevant nor random pornography on his computer, but this clearly is relevant in this particular case.
The last quote I think they are referring to the stranguation porn and the girl in the car boot....
Like I have stated so many times... It was the numerous nails in Dr Vincent Tabak coffin AFTER the trial that clearly impressed on the minds of the public exactly what the prosecution wanted...
For the public to believe that Dr vincent Tabak was indeed a Bad Man!!
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What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".
A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other posters because VT pleaded guilty.
The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for. Not the truth, apparently.
You have made your points here so lucidly and concisely that I hesitate to rush in where angels fear to tread, even to agree with you!
I desparately need a designation for the kind of intelligent person who reiterated, on the old forum, that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty". When someone online, or even face to face, accuses me of being a "conspiracy theorist", in connection with this topic or any other, I want to have a polite reply ready, such as "lemming", "indoctrinee", etc.
It is getting serious, because I came across an allegation (in the mainstream media, where else?) that "supporters of conspiracy theories are prone to mental health issues". I should have thought that people who cannot see, hear or talk about the elephant in the room are the ones who should consult someone about their mental health.
The mainstream media is also very preoccupied with what it calls "fake news", which it blames on the social media. Is there a difference between "fake news" and "false news"? I cannot hear the difference. In my opinion, "false news" is the same as "false witness". While there was nothing false about the verdict on VT itself, reached as it was by "twelve good men (m/f) and true", the rest of the case was peppered with false witness. The so-called chaplain's testimony, especially, was "false witness" - even though I don't believe you can catch him out in a lie.
In my opinion God's/Moses's/King James's phrase from the Ten Commandments captures the issue brilliantly.
Neither the prosecution nor VT's defence may have been looking for "the truth", but every witness was obliged to swear to tell it, so I think we are all entitled to believe that finding it was indeed the intention of the trial.
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I was looking at the : JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 on facebook
And it seems that someone had taken control of the Forum and taken it out of the families hands..
Greg Beardon If this group is getting out of hand, the admins (family) have been hacked out of control of its contents, I feel it should be abandoned. i wont be looking at it again.
29 December 2010 at 02:35 · Like · 8
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And again..... Don't understand how this managed to happen..
Jacquie Yeates
28 December 2010
whoever has removed me as admin can you please add me back. whoever it is that has deleted all family members from having control of this group has completely misunderstood what i created this group for. i hope this can be sorted out.
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Catherine Macintosh
Catherine Macintosh What how can someone do that thought you created it Jax?? Hope your ok as said in my text need anything just ring :) lots of love xxx
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Again From The Joanna Yeate Missing Page...
Donna Sanderson
29 December 2010
I am local to Clifton and longwood lane and constantly wishing I could have done something to help. Have been sleepless since Jo went missing but know now she is in a safe place and thankful her family have had a chance to say goodbye. Won't rest until justice is done and Clifton does not feel the same. My heartfelt sympathies to her parents, brother, bf and friends.
Didn't really take much notice of this.... But when I looked at her she is a fair haired girl...
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From the Missing Forum on Facebook...
Jessica Siggers
27 December 2010
Travelling back to my home in Clifton today which will never feel the same again. Jo, I never knew you but our paths may have crossed many times. You, your family & Greg have not left my thoughts since last weekend when we received a message from BDP. I wanted to go out and search there & then. No-one should be taken the way you were. It's a cruel world but for what it's worth, you will get justice. RIP beautiful girl. X
I didn't know anything about BDP sending a message around??
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From the Missing Forum....
Kath Rowsell IF ANY OF YOU BOTHERED TO LISTEN TO THE NEWS, THEY HAVE SAID THE BODY WAS TOO FROZEN TO BE IDENTIFIED AND ITS GOING TO BE 24 HOURS BEFORE THEY WILL KNOW. We all do not want it to be her for her families sake
25 December 2010 at 23:12 · Like · 2
This makes The Frozen theory seem even more daft.... No disrespect intended... But How could they say they would know something in 24 Hours, when they would have NO IDEA how long it takes a body to Thaw??
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From The Missing Forum
Katie Goldsmith
24 December 2010
While out posting flyers this week we went to Tesco in Clifton village where the CCTV footage was. They weren't massively keen to put up posters there as they weren't allowed to put them in windows. They only had one behind the counter on the wall. Does anyone know if this has now changed? If not I will write to the manager. As this seemed uneccesarily uncooperative as it is there that people will remember her most.
I wonder why they wouldn't put the posters up???
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This I find weird.....
Emma Brooks
25 December 2010
I Like Mel's idea and there should be music and noise, Jo is coming home xxx
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Isabel Rennie
Isabel Rennie Lovely message Emma, hope you're holding up ok x
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David Yeates
David Yeates what???????
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This quote is from The Joanna Yeates missing page on Facebook....
How can her friend say that "Jo is coming Home" before the news that she was found????
If you look at the time of the responses they are in the early hours of the morning on the 25th December 2010
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
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I would imagine that whoever said "Jo is coming home" was trying to remain positive and give encouragement to her friends and family.
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Since I question everything.... i thought that this particular response from a friend of Greg's seemed strange ...
]Mat Fallon I would forward this if I could! Greg I am thinking of u at this crucial stage!! Love ya man! Take care! My heart goes out to the family too!
25 December 2010 at 13:35
What does thinking of you at this "Crucial stage mean"???? Why can't he forward anything to Greg?? They are friends after all??
Crucial Stage Can't get my head around that... It sounds like an Operation in motion.... Not just Crucial Stage but with 2 exclamation marks after it...
What "Crucial Stage if he refering too???
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
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Darragh Harry Bellew
28 December 2010
I just want to give a deepest sympathies to Jo's family and Greg. I will miss her dearly as I sat in the same team as her in the BDP office. Words cannot express what has happened. Lots of love xxx Darragh[
What happened to.... I was with her on the night she disappeared ????
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
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Jess Meale
27 December 2010
I met Jo at a halloween party this year. She seemed a very genuine lovely person. I have spent xmas with my brother and sister in law who were friends/colleagues of Jo and it was heartbreaking to see their reaction to the news. My thoughts are with the family and Greg at this awful time. The sky has a new star. Rest in peace Jo xx
Now... this comment confuses..... The Halloween Party appears to be at Canynge Road.... You can see the bedroom and the bed in the same position of the tiny hallway.... And The shoe stand
Why doesn't she say at Joanna Yeates home ????? How comes she is not Greg friend on Facebook... Surely this Girl would remember who's house she went too....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
Jess Meale is another one of those people who have the whole of 2010 and 2011 missing from their facebook profiles??
https://www.facebook.com/jess.meale.1?lst=100001263656539%3A720947476%3A1503827889
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This is an Interesting post on the Joanna Yeates Missing Facebook Page
Jessica Siggers to JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10
27 December 2010 ·
Travelling back to my home in Clifton today which will never feel the same again. Jo, I never knew you but our paths may have crossed many times. You, your family & Greg have not left my thoughts since last weekend when we received a message from BDP. I wanted to go out and search there & then. No-one should be taken the way you were. It's a cruel world but for what it's worth, you will get justice. RIP beautiful girl. X
How did she receive a message from BDP on the weekend of 17th- 19th December 2010.. It can't be the weekend that had just gone because they had found Joanna Yeates ...
All the newspapers at that time were saying Greg had rung the Police on the Sunday 19th December 2010, but as we now know Greg didn't ring the Police until 00:45am Monday the 20th December 2010...
So I'll ask again... How did BDP know about the disappearance of Joanna Yeates that weekend???
Had she been abducted ????
It has me questioning quite a lot... Now we have CJ saying that Greg rang him on the Sunday 19th December 2010 at 12:30..
We have here BDP contacting this woman on the very same weekend... 17th-19th December 2010
When did Joanna Yeates go Missing ?? And when did Greg actually call the Police ???
No-one should be taken the way you were.
What did they know ....??? was she abducted ??????
Joanna Yeates parents have always said that she was abducted.... Does this prove that , that theory is more than likely??
Edit..... I have said before... everyone who took the stand, did so to prove that Joanna Yeates was alive on Friday 17th December 2010...
Yet Dr Vincent Tabak was charged between the 16th December 2010 and the 19th December 2010....
Why was the 16th December 2010 included in Dr Vincent Tabak's charge if Joanna Yeates was supposed to be alive at this time and going about her business????
I wanted to go out and search there & then.
So what stopped her ???? Did she know it was futile ????
She would have managed what we think is the impossible.... search for Joanna Yeates before she was even reported "Missing" Officially.... Now that is quite an achievement in anyones book...!!!!
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JO YEATES - BDP TRIBUTE
03/02/2011
REMEMBERING JO - Statement from Keith Pavey, Head of BDP’s Bristol Studio
“It is now over seven weeks since Jo was so tragically taken from us and it is still difficult to come to terms with her untimely and unnecessary death.
We have been overwhelmed by the many messages of condolence and sympathy we have received from our clients and colleagues in the construction industry. We are certain that there will be many lasting tributes to Jo from many directions but for our part at BDP we have concluded that we will progress the following:
The creation of a small garden of remembrance at our Bristol studio.
The sponsorship of an annual Landscape Design prize in Jo’s memory for students at the University of Gloucestershire School of Landscape and Environment.
The creation of a Book of Remembrance to include an anthology of Jo’s work.
The dedication to Jo of a cycle ride between BDP offices, planned to take place in late spring as one of several events to mark BDP’s 50th anniversary, with the proceeds from sponsorship going to charities of Jo’s parents’ and Greg’s(Reardon, Jo’s boyfriend) choice.
We will not forget Jo and we hope the above will collectively become a lasting tribute to her.”
He says : “It is now over seven weeks since Jo was so tragically taken from us
When did they message everyone about her being taken???
How long had she been "Missing"????
Has December 16th 2010 has got more significance than we have been lead to believe ...(IMO)....
What did BDP know about this ???
“It is now over seven weeks since Jo was so tragically taken from us and it is still difficult to come to terms with her untimely and unnecessary death.
unnecessary death that say volumes (IMO)... That does not strike me as Joanna Yeates being attacked by a sex crazed monster, as they would have us believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is..... (IMO)...
Edit..... From BDP with her untimely and unnecessary death.
What was untimely about Joanna Yeates death ?????
http://www.bdp.com/en/latest/news/2011/jo-yeates---bdp-tribute/
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From The Missing Forum
I wonder why they wouldn't put the posters up???
There must have been a mistake because Tesco's had enormous posters in both the glass windows.
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I was looking for the Free Ski give away...
Greg Beardon
28 October 2010
Greg Reardon The Free stuff extravaganza continues!
07919 593206
Hit me up if you fancy any of this....
- Lange Comp 120 ski boots. Stiff and Size 9, seen some action but wearable.
- Scott Worldcup poles. 130cm, Missmatching pair from different years but same weight, length and handle shape. Matching black Spyder 'cut down' pole guards for serious racey types.
- Scott slalom helmet. Mens large. Need a free helmet for racing in? This is it! Blue and red with chin guard and again, seen some action but perfectly good.
Pick up from Canynge Road in Clifton.
Cans of booze would be appreciated to secure the deal as interest will indeed be high!
Greg
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Greg Beardon
16 October 2010
Anybody want free skis?
I've got two pairs of knackered-but-good-for-dryslope twintips.
175cm 2005? Dynastar Troublemakers with Salomon 914 bindings on lifters.
(Big gouge in base of one ski, bindings work but show their age considerably. Skis still have stiffness to them and have been used for uni dryslope racing recently).
179cm 2006? K2 Fujatives with factory salomon 916 race bindings.
(Skis are in decent nick but have lost a lot of stiffness. Bindings on last legs. Skis still useful for UK trips and for trashing on brandon hill. Last used by Hickman in the Redbull Peak in the Park big air.)
Free to a good home, pick up from Clifton. Call 07919 593206.
Cheers,
g
When I did a look up of that phone number I got this:Mobile No 7919593206
Operator Not Allotted
Service type
State
Country India
Image 1......
Image 2...... is Greg's original post with phone number..
Phone calls and numbers have been bugging me... I couldn't understand why the landline was used by any of them..... when they all appeared to use mobile phones...
Why would Greg ring the landline.... ?? Why would Dr Vincent Tabak be on the landline ???? He's busy texting Tanja... so why didn't he just ring her from his mobile ???
In nearly 7 years that phone number hasn't been allotted ???
07919 numbers i believe are voda phone numbers
Now I have just used a tracker and got this .....
Images 4 and 5...
So if it is still possible to track yet the other image says number not alloted.... who's phone number is it?????
https://www.devicetrackerplus.com/confirm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2c6CwKnj1gIVorDtCh29bgBGEAMYASAAEgJU0vD_BwE&cr_cid=189124224&cr_affcur=GBP#googtrans(en-US)
http://www.xgfc.net/07919593206
http://www.xgfc.net/0791959
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I was looking for the Free Ski give away...
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When I did a look up of that phone number I got this:
Image 1......
Image 2...... is Greg's original post with phone number..
Phone calls and numbers have been bugging me... I couldn't understand why the landline was used by any of them..... when they all appeared to use mobile phones...
Why would Greg ring the landline.... ?? Why would Dr Vincent Tabak be on the landline ???? He's busy texting Tanja... so why didn't he just ring her from his mobile ???
In nearly 7 years that phone number hasn't been allotted ???
07919 numbers i believe are voda phone numbers
Now I have just used a tracker and got this .....
Images 4 and 5...
So if it is still possible to track yet the other image says number not alloted.... who's phone number is it?????
https://www.devicetrackerplus.com/confirm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2c6CwKnj1gIVorDtCh29bgBGEAMYASAAEgJU0vD_BwE&cr_cid=189124224&cr_affcur=GBP#googtrans(en-US)
http://www.xgfc.net/07919593206
http://www.xgfc.net/0791959
I've just googled the 07919 593206 and it seems to be something to do with Notebook .... code perhaps? I am not good with computer/internet stuff so I haven't a clue what it means. Perhaps you could tell me.
It's the first entry if you just put that number in.
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From websluths:
From thread 4, by Malaconotus
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"The window cleaner's comments are in a thread titled 44 Canynge Road on the Facebook discussion page. He speaks highly of all the residents. And he also confirms the exact layout."
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I bet if anyone decides to break in and rob the house, they're going to be really grateful! Talk about irresponsible online behaviour.
Now I would love to see that facebook page... Nina ... you need to talk to the window cleaner....
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?125150-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-Dec-2010-5/page3
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Avon and Somerset Police... On Facebook....
Avon and Somerset Constabulary
2 March 2015 ·
Convicted murderer Vincent Tabak has been jailed for 10 months after admitting possessing indecent images of children. http://bit.ly/1EauVhv
Tabak, 37, is already serving a life sentence for the murder of Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010.
This sentence will run concurrently and he'll also be on the Sex Offenders' Register for 10 years.
Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Julian Moss said: “Vincent Tabak is a dangerous, calculating and manipulative offender.
“During the course of the investigation into Joanna’s murder, indecent images of children were found on Tabak’s laptop. These offences did not form part of the initial murder trial.
“Although he’s serving a minimum tariff of 20 years’ imprisonment, we felt it was crucial Tabak was brought to justice for possessing indecent images of children, so the full nature of his offending is on record.
“Tabak is now a convicted sex offender and this means an extensive range of protective measures can now be put in place to manage his criminal behaviour and protect those at risk.
“This conviction will have a direct impact on how he is managed in the custody system and more importantly will affect how he is monitored and managed when he’s released back into the community."
Now at what point did they stop and think.... It won't have any baring....
Firstly his sentence will be served in prison as it stands... When does the registration start on the sex offenders register ?? Before or after he leaves prison.... You seemed to have failed on the small detail again....(IMO)...
He will leave for Holland immediately....
Oh Yes... And you link no longer works that leads to your Police website...
This is a complete PR exercise (IMO)... No relevance whatsoever...
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I have been looking at Facebook.... To try and make sense of things that don't add up....
Greg and Joanna Yeates were supposed to have been together for 2 years.... But Pauline Fallon, whom I believe is the mother of Mat Fallon, says something odd in her posts....
Pauline Fallon Her boyfriend, Greg, shared the house in Manchester with Matt.
24 December 2010 at 12:32
Pauline Fallon
Pauline Fallon They are all devasted. I can't imagine how they can be feeling. It is the not knowing and being in limbo that must be so hard.
24 December 2010 at 12:35
Dolly Mixture
Dolly Mixture My heart goes out to the families of those this happens to, especially at Christmas. In my thoughts and prayers xx
24 December 2010 at 17:38
Now the next comments are what confuses me...
Jayne Taylor we are in bristol - main news here and very sad
23 December 2010 at 21:35
Linzee Dee
Linzee Dee Is she a friend of Matt?
24 December 2010 at 07:31
Pauline Fallon
Pauline Fallon Yes, he shared a house with Greg, her boyfriend, in Didsbury until last year. They are all devastated and can't imagine what has happened to her.
24 December 2010 at 10:35
Linzee Dee
Linzee Dee cant imagine how they are all feeling - thoughts are with them x
24 December 2010 at 10:42
To just make sure... Pauline Fallon Yes, he shared a house with Greg, her boyfriend, in Didsbury until last year. They are all devastated and can't imagine what has happened to her.
24 December 2010 at 10:35
(1): Does Pauline Fallon mean Mat Fallon when she is talking
(2): Pauline Fallon clearly states that Matt shared a house in Disbury with Greg until last year... And last year has to be 2009 seeing as Paulines post is December 2010
So what is correct in this case ??? Does that mean that Greg Reardon and Joanna Yeates had not been together for 2 years ???
Can anyone make sense of Paulines statements ????
Edit.. How long had Greg lived in Bristol...??? Because I cannot fathom what Pauline means???
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Following on from this post about Rebecca Scott... I am now looking at other posts around that time on the 25th December 2010 and looking at them in a different light....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg432559#msg432559
Emma Brookes
Emma Brooks
25 December 2010 at 00:39
I Like Mel's idea and there should be music and noise, Jo is coming home xxx
Image attached..
Again why is it people seem to be aware of Joanna Yeates being found ??? Is it just coincidence ???
David Yeates responds also... at first when I saw his response I believed it was being of the idea of music.. But now I am wondering if it has more to do with the fact that Joanna Yeates will be home on Christmas Day.. being 25th December 2010 and Emma has let the cat out of the bag? Does David Yeates know ??
His response too, is in the early hours of Christmas morning.... No-one should be talking about Joanna Yeates coming home on that day if they were not aware of something we all didn't know at the time ...(imo)
David Yeates what???????
25 December 2010 at 02:45 ·
Joanna Yeates was not found until 9:00am on The 25th December 2010 and wasn't in the News on the internet until about mid-day on the 25th December 2010
So how did Emma know that Joanna Yeates was coming home??
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
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I think, possibly, Emma was just trying to be optimistic, thinking that perhaps Joanna would reappear alive on Christmas day????
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Pauline Fallon
21 December 2010 ·
Poor Greg and her family. Does anyone know anything about her whereabouts?
This quote is on the 21st December 2010.. It has a link to it that no longer works.... But the link is to https://swns.com/parents-of-missing-25-year-old-bristol-woman-launch-plea-for-help-211532.html
The date that the link is done is again the 21st December 2010.. The Interesting thing about the article is it says that Joanna Yeates Missing for 5 days...
Parents of Missing 25 year Old Bristol woman launch Plea for help ..SWNS.com
The devastated parents of a pretty young Architect who mysteriously vanished 5 days ago , today launched a desperate appeal for help
That would make the day Joanna Yeates went MISSING the 16th December 2010
Again making sense of why Dr Vincent Tabak was charged from the 16th December 2010.... But doesn't make sense of his conviction!(imo)
Leonora did say something about News that was broadcast on the 21st December 2010... This is the only evidence of such news I can find....
https://www.facebook.com/pauline.fallon.33?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
image of screenshot of facebook message attached.
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This quote is on the 21st December 2010.. It has a link to it that no longer works.... But the link is to https://swns.com/parents-of-missing-25-year-old-bristol-woman-launch-plea-for-help-211532.html
The date that the link is done is again the 21st December 2010.. The Interesting thing about the article is it says that Joanna Yeates Missing for 5 days...
That would make the day Joanna Yeates went MISSING the 16th December 2010
Again making sense of why Dr Vincent Tabak was charged from the 16th December 2010.... But doesn't make sense of his conviction!(imo)
Leonora did say something about News that was broadcast on the 21st December 2010... This is the only evidence of such news I can find....
https://www.facebook.com/pauline.fallon.33?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
image of screenshot of facebook message attached.
Well done Nine...Again!
I never had ANY sources for 20th December 2010 - the day when the public first became aware of Joanna's disappearance. I only ever had three links to news reports on the case dated 21st December 2010, and now I find that each of these three has now been obliterated. The earliest reports still still available say Joanna was last seen on the evening of Friday 17th December 2010. I never spotted that claim that she had been missing for five days. I probably would have dismissed it as a mistake. But now that it has been redacted, you may be on to something. Maybe the police and the family quickly changed their story. It is scarcely credible. Maybe she really WAS in the Bristol Ram on 17th December 2010, but they wanted to signal the opposite to the perpetrator?
Would someone with access to a public library with an archive please ask for a paper copy or microfilm of the Bristol Evening Post or equivalent for 21st December 2010 and check the story in print?
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Replied to this on the Operation Braid topic... It has a reference to that too... dated 21st December2010.. also link to newspaper of that date ..
It's the 21st December that I have quoted leonora.
But... Pauline Fallon does say something on the 20th December 2010 that could mean that she saw the news...
Pauline Fallon
20 December 2010 ·
Under my breath when i got up this morning i didn't feel like school. Then when i heard the news was very upset and thinking about all the plans for the two days. Who knows about tomorrow?
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Well done Nine...Again!
I never had ANY sources for 20th December 2010 - the day when the public first became aware of Joanna's disappearance. I only ever had three links to news reports on the case dated 21st December 2010, and now I find that each of these three has now been obliterated. The earliest reports still still available say Joanna was last seen on the evening of Friday 17th December 2010. I never spotted that claim that she had been missing for five days. I probably would have dismissed it as a mistake. But now that it has been redacted, you may be on to something. Maybe the police and the family quickly changed their story. It is scarcely credible. Maybe she really WAS in the Bristol Ram on 17th December 2010, but they wanted to signal the opposite to the perpetrator?
Would someone with access to a public library with an archive please ask for a paper copy or microfilm of the Bristol Evening Post or equivalent for 21st December 2010 and check the story in print?
Yes leonora... And maybe she also frequented The Hop House Pub that evening or weekend too.... why else would Colin Port want the entire CCTV system from The Hop House Pub removed!! (when they apparently only had a grainy image from the end of the street... ) something tells me... someone is hiding things again &^^&*
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This is as close as I can get to something being said as early as 20th December 2010 leonora...
Darragh Harry Bellew
20 December 2010 ·
All,
Most of you on my friends list will not know Jo Yeates but some of you do. Jo has been missing and the last time she was seen was on Friday night; she made it home but was not there when Greg(her boyfriend) returned home from a weekend away late last night. Her belongings however were there including her house key, mobile phone and purse.
Although there is little we can do apart from help the police we c
Along with that post is a link below which doesn't work any more... but it was to Avon and Somerset Police website.
I have attached images of facebook page..
Interestingly he states that Greg got home "Late" last night ... How late??
Darragh Bellew must be the first report I have seen on the same day that Joanna Yeates is reported 'Missing" that says her , purse, keys and mobile phone were in the Flat...
How on the 20th December 2010.. The day that Joanna Yeates is reported Missing , do they know that the last time she was seen is Friday?? How does he know she made it home??
As far as we are aware... no-one knew if Joanna Yeates made it home, and certainly not on the day she was reported 'Missing"...!! And if they do know that for sure... How??
Anyone can return items!!
The post says that the time it was posted is 23:05pm... don't know how accurate the time is ??
How is the information about whats been left in the Flat being divulged so early on??
Although there is little we can do??? How about a search party??
What did they know on the 20th December 2010?
https://www.facebook.com/darraghharry.bellew
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Another facebook report of Joanna Yeates "Missing " on 20th December 2010
Isabel Rennie
20 December 2010 ·
My friend Jo Yeates has been reported missing from Clifton, Bristol this weekend. She was last seen on Friday night.
Have you seen her?
Please forward to anyone in Bristol.
The police link is here: http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/Loca…/NewsDetails.aspx…
This one is timed at 18:37pm
Again last seen Friday Night... That must be in the Police link..
Edit.... Did the Police link originally say that Joanna Yeates was reported Missing on the weekend?
CJ did say she was reported Missing on Sunday 19th December 2010...
So who reported her Missing??
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Here are all of the Facebook posts by The Avon and Somersets Police on their Facebook page...
Avon and Somerset Constabulary
23 December 2010 ·
Video appeal now added. www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
Joanna Yeates Appeal
Joanna Yeates was last seen at the Ram pub on Park Street on Friday 17th December 2010. She left the pub at around 8pm. Police know she then went to Tesco on Regent Street before returning to her home in Canynge Road. Her…
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22 January 2011 ·
http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/Loca…/NewsDetails.aspx…
We have charged Vincent Tabak with the murder of Joanna Yeates
He will appear at Bristol magistrates court on Monday January 24 2011
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary
24 December 2010 ·
Police have released new CCTV showing Joanna Yeates shopping in Tesco's on her way home. Detectives know she left the Ram Pub on Park Street at around 8pm on Friday 17th December. On her way home she stopped at Tesco's on Regent Street where she bought a Tesco Finest Margherita Pizza. However there is no trace of this pizza or its packaging in her home.
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Joanna Yeates buying a pizza at Tesco
A CCTV clip showing Joanna Yeates buying a pizza at Tesco in Clifton, Bristol.
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
3 January 2011 ·
Jo Yeates murder investigation - Detectives re-new appeal for information
Detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have continued to appeal for witnesses…
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
2 January 2011 ·
Police address concerns following murder of Jo Yeates
Police investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have today (Sunday January 2) addressed the concerns of the Clifton and wider Bristol public and offered safety advice.
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More from Avon and Somerset Polices facebook Page..
Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
4 January 2011 ·
Detectives launch national Facebook campaign in a bid to catch Jo's killer
Detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have today (Tuesday January 4) launched a national campaign to appeal for witnesses.
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
2 January 2011 ·
Police address concerns following murder of Jo Yeates
Police investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have today (Sunday January 2) addressed the concerns of the Clifton and wider Bristol public and offered safety advice.
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28 December 2010 ·
Police Announce Murder enquiry launched over death of Joanna
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones has today (28/12/10) confirmed that the investigation into the death of 25-year-old Joanna Yeates is now a murder…
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary
1 January 2011 ·
Police appeal for further witnesses following the murder of Joanna Yeates: http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
Police appeal for further witnesses
Detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates are continuing to appeal to the public for information.
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
5 January 2011 ·
Detectives appeal for information to locate piece of clothing in Joanna enquiry
Detectives in the Joanna Yeates investigation are today appealing for information to locate a piece of clothing that has not been found since the discovery of her body in Longwood Lane, Failand near Bristol.
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
5 January 2011 ·
Detectives appeal for information to locate piece of clothing in Joanna enquiry
Detectives in the Joanna Yeates investigation are today appealing for information to locate a piece of clothing that has not been found since the discovery of her body in Longwood Lane, Failand near Bristol.
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5 May 2011 ·
Avon and Somerset Constabulary - Joanna Yeates Update – Vincent Tabak appears at the Old Bailey (Bri
Following the murder of Joanna Yeates in December 2010 in the Clifton area of Bristol,…
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5 May 2011 ·
Avon and Somerset Constabulary - Joanna Yeates Update – Vincent Tabak appears at the Old Bailey (Bri
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5 May 2011 ·
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary This case, as you know, has attracted intense media attention and speculation. The media can play a very important role in a major investigation, with specific appeals for witnesses and information, issuing public safety advice and in lots of other ways. However, for legal, operational and evidential reasons, we cannot discuss every single aspect of the case in public every second of every day. There are many hundreds of lines of enquiry being pursued in this case, a huge amount of CCTV footage to be examined in the most minute detail, and lots of forensic work to be done. All of this can take time, and there are many lines of enquiry which are best served by being undertaken away from the intense scrutiny of the media. Just because it appears as if we may have "gone quiet", it does not mean that there is nothing going on. What we will not do is respond to every bit of media speculation just in order to provide a headline for another day. We want to make sure - and we owe it to Jo's family - that when we do issue some information, every effort has been made to ensure that it is accurate and factually correct.
We are in negotiations with Crimewatch, and as soon as details are finalised, we will let people know when it is being screened, as this will be another means for us to reach a wide audience and it is important to us that as many people as possible watch the programme so that we can reach every potential witness and get every piece of information we possibly can in order to bring whoever is responsible for killing Jo to justice.
Avon and Somerset Constabulary This case, as you know, has attracted intense media attention and speculation. The media can play a very important role in a major investigation, with specific appeals for witnesses and information, issuing public safety advice and in lots of other ways. However, for legal, operational and evidential reasons, we cannot discuss every single aspect of the case in public every second of every day. There are many hundreds of lines of enquiry being pursued in this case, a huge amount of CCTV footage to be examined in the most minute detail, and lots of forensic work to be done. All of this can take time, and there are many lines of enquiry which are best served by being undertaken away from the intense scrutiny of the media. Just because it appears as if we may have "gone quiet", it does not mean that there is nothing going on. What we will not do is respond to every bit of media speculation just in order to provide a headline for another day. We want to make sure - and we owe it to Jo's family - that when we do issue some information, every effort has been made to ensure that it is accurate and factually correct.
We are in negotiations with Crimewatch, and as soon as details are finalised, we will let people know when it is being screened, as this will be another means for us to reach a wide audience and it is important to us that as many people as possible watch the programme so that we can reach every potential witness and get every piece of information we possibly can in order to bring whoever is responsible for killing Jo to justice.
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26 December 2010 ·
http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
Police name woman found in Failand
While a formal identification procedure is yet to be completed, police are satisfied that the body is that of 25-year-old landscape architect Joanna Yeates, who went missing during the weekend before Christmas. http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
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Thier final post about Joanna Yeates is in 2-15
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2 March 2015 ·
Convicted murderer Vincent Tabak has been jailed for 10 months after admitting possessing indecent images of children. http://bit.ly/1EauVhv
Tabak, 37, is already serving a life sentence for the murder of Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010.
This sentence will run concurrently and he'll also be on the Sex Offenders' Register for 10 years....
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Convicted murderer Vincent Tabak has admitted possessing indecent images of children after appearing at Bristol Crown Court earlier today (2/3). Tabak, 36,…
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This is a reply by Avon and Somerset on the 4th January 2011
Avon and Somerset Constabulary We are holding a press conference with an update on the investigation this morning at 9.30. Around that time the updated statement will be posted on our website and here as well. Shortly after we will publish a video of the briefing.
Just to repost in case anyone has missed it: Just a quick note to urge you not to use this page to speculate about the ongoing investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates and not to speculate about pot...ential suspects.
Any post that is offensive, defamatory or libellous will be removed; however if you feel that you have information that may help this enquiry then do not hesitate to call the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or contact the investigative team on-line via www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
You can also help by sharing updates we post on this page and our website. This spreads the appeal to a much wider audience. Thank you.
Again 4th January 2011
Avon and Somerset Constabulary To reiterate again if anyone has missed it.
We urge you not to use this page to speculate about the ongoing investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates and not to speculate about pot...ential suspects.
Any post that is offensive, defamatory or libellous will be removed; however if you feel that you have information that may help this enquiry then do not hesitate to call the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or contact the investigative team on-line via www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
You can also help by sharing updates we post on this page and our website. This spreads the appeal to a much wider audience. Thank you.
Reply by Avon and Somerset police on the 5th Janauary 2011
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary We have made a complaint to OFCOM in respect of the unfair, naďve and irresponsible reporting on the ITN ten o’clock news yesterday evening.
As we are still awaiting a response to our complaint it would be inappropriate for us to comment any further at this time.
A live murder investigation has been underway now for just twelve days and the media have played an important role in helping us to appeal for witnesses. While we appreciate the support we have received so far from most of the media we must step in if we feel coverage will hamper the investigation. Our primary aim will always be to secure justice for Joanna.
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these are the Post that were made by Avon and Somerset Police... about the case...
There are not many replies to these post or likes... The most likes I noticed was for the post in 2015 about Dr Vincent Tabak....
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Who at Avon and Somerset Police did the Facebook page???
Avon and Somerset Constabulary shared a link.
5 January 2011 ·
Detectives appeal for information to locate piece of clothing in Joanna enquiry
Detectives in the Joanna Yeates investigation are today appealing for information to locate a piece of clothing that has not been found since the discovery of her body in Longwood Lane, Failand near Bristol.
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I find them not divulging that it was a Missing Sock... strange... Were there some other piece of clothing Missing from Joanna yeates that we don't know about??
What about the "Plain" top she was wearing on that evening, as she was found in a different top.....
Now I do question who wrote the Facebook page for the Avon and Somerset Police.... I noticed this next Tweet was more revealing...
Avon and Somerset Constabulary
24 December 2010 ·
Police have released new CCTV showing Joanna Yeates shopping in Tesco's on her way home. Detectives know she left the Ram Pub on Park Street at around 8pm on Friday 17th December. On her way home she stopped at Tesco's on Regent Street where she bought a Tesco Finest Margherita Pizza. However there is no trace of this pizza or its packaging in her home.
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Joanna Yeates buying a pizza at Tesco
A CCTV clip showing Joanna Yeates buying a pizza at Tesco in Clifton, Bristol.
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It was only the day on the 23rd December 2010 which was the day before, thatDCI Bevan did his appeal for The Pizza...
DCI Bevan)
Erm Ok.... I believe Joanna reached her home address on Friday evening and this would have been at sometime shortly after 8:30pm in the evening. This is because erm.. We've found within the flat her coat her mobile phone and keys. Erm.. I know that from CCTV she went to Tesco's in Clifton Village and she purchased a pizza.. Erm.. I have here a Pizza which is similar in all respects to the I believe she purchased, which is a Tesco's finest erm, Tomatoe Mozzerella, basil ,pesto pizza.
Within the Flat we can find NO evidence of this Pizza or any of the wrappings,and so I would like to make an appeal, firstly for anyone who has any information about where Joanna was..is now or any information thats can indicate whats happened to her. I would also like to make an appeal to anyone who knows where this Pizza is or were there any of the wrapping are or where the box is..
DCI Bevan does NOT reveal what type of PIZZA Joanna Yeates purchased.... But.......
This is from the helpfinjo webpage...
New CCTV Footage Released – Jo buying Pizza at Tesco
Police have released new CCTV showing Joanna Yeates shopping in Tesco’s on her way home. Detectives know she left the Ram Pub on Park Street at around 8pm on Friday 17th December. On her way home she stopped at Tesco’s on Regent Street where she bought a Tesco Finest Margherita Pizza. However there is no trace of this pizza or its packaging in her home.
The video has been released by detectives hoping people in the area at the time will remember seeing Joanna and contact the police.
Both describe it as a Margherita Pizza... But that is NOT what DCI Bevan says....
I am wondering if the same person wrote both the blog and facebook posts, or all the information on the blog came from the facebook posts and the media??
The links for the posters are not to the Avon and Somerset Polices website.. But "Dropbox"...
Posters Available to Print and Download
PDFs are now available to download missing posters for Jo containing the key info. Available in A3, A4 and A5.
Please distribute around your local areas, especially in the South West.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069482/joyeates_missing_poster_a5.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069482/joyeates_missing_poster_a4.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069482/joyeates_missing_poster_a3.pdf
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The links no longer work, of course, and I do not know who subscribed to Dropbox either...
(https://helpfindjo.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/profile_findjo.jpg?w=167&h=300)
The Missing Posters appear not to have been produced by the Police... (imo) Because i would have though that they would have been linked directly to The Avon and Somerset Polices website, but they go to the "Dropbox"....
The information on the poster says:
Jo Yeates - Missing from Clifton, Bristol since 17/12/2010.
Any info call Operation Braid on 0845 456 7000.
facebook.com/groups/169097479794933
helpfindjo.wordpress.com
That brings many more questions.....
Who actually produced the poster?? Why would they know it was called Operation Braid?? wouldn't you normally get a Reference Number to quote when ringing the police with information..??
It gets stranger .... This is the first post on the blog..
Background info on Jo
Jo is a 25 year old Landscape Architect who works at the Architects and Engineering practice “Building Design Partnership” based on hill Street in Bristol city centre. She has worked there since September 2008 and it was there that she met boyfriend Greg Reardon (27), an Architect working towards his professional chartership.
The two share a flat on Canynge Road, Clifton, which was the last place she was known to have been on Friday night (17th December). The last recorded movements were from a purchase Jo made from Tesco Metro on Regent Street in Clifton at 8:40pm.
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The Police do not release the footage of Tesco's until the 24th December 2010, which shows us the CCTV with the fake timestamp on it.... (imo) So how did the blog know what time she purchased the Pizza??
Were did the blog get the information from?? It becomes very confusing... At that early stage how did anyone know it was the last place that Joanna Yeates was ?? To this day it has not been proven she reached home... The private CCTV that DS Mark Saunders talks of should show us whether Joanna Yeates reached home but it is never produced at trial and no-one has seen it in the public eye....
So is the blog and the Avon and Somerset Polices website connected by someone ?? Who was leading the campaign to fins Joanna Yeates ?
The Poster that was available wasn't produced by the Police (imo)... So what is Operation Braid??
The phone Number that is given is the none emergency number for Avon and Somerset Police.. 0845 456 7000, that was to be replaced by 101 in 2011 or there abouts..
So if you are ringing a non- emergency number, you wouldn't quote an Operational name (imo),.. you would quote the reference number... So did they get their info from the media?? If they were working so closely with the Police you would have thought that they would have either have had a reference number or not mentioned the operational name....
3 options....
* The information came from the media
* Someone within the Police told them the Operational name..
* They mentioned the operational name and the Police then went with it....
I cannot think of anything else that would cover why they mentioned Operation Braid on the 23rd December 2010... The Police do not mention "Operation Braid on their facebook page until the 4th January 2011..
Avon and Somerset Constabulary To reiterate again if anyone has missed it.
We urge you not to use this page to speculate about the ongoing investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates and not to speculate about pot...ential suspects.
Any post that is offensive, defamatory or libellous will be removed; however if you feel that you have information that may help this enquiry then do not hesitate to call the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or contact the investigative team on-line via www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
You can also help by sharing updates we post on this page and our website. This spreads the appeal to a much wider audience. Thank you.
Again the Police use the name of the Operation rather than having a reference number... i cannot think of any Missing Person Poster from the Police that have an Operational name on then... Why doesn't the Joanna yeates Missing persons inquiry have a Reference number????
This case is extremely strange..
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg456332#msg456332
https://helpfindjo.wordpress.com/page/2/
Just scroll through the blog...
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Nick Brooko who helped with distribute posters and is a friend of Gregs and Jo's also I believe..
Nicko Brooko All official info will be at http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/helpfindjo/ (and helpfindjo.com)
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Official info? How is helpfindjo.com an Official site for information?? shouldn't it be the Avon and Somerset Police site that is the Official site?? And why the Newsroom??
It has me intrigued...
Nicko Brooko shared a link.
23 December 2010
Tweet from Simon Sugar, CEO of Amscreen (and Alan Sugar's son maybe?):
Missing Women Jo Yeates advert up across the Amscreen Network hope this can help in some way #dooh http://yfrog.com/h62nibdj
Amscreen is the UK's biggest digital screen network so this is some great coverga
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@Amscreen_Simon Missing Women Jo Yeates advert up across the Amscreen Network hope this can help in some way
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About Amscreen
Amscreen are leaders in the provision of wireless, real-time digital signage solutions.
A unique, full service, end to end approach has driven the deployment of more than 15,000 screens across continents and sectors, including brick and mortar retail venues as well as outdoor advertising estates.
Amscreen’s current portfolio of products range from indoor plug and play 24 inch menu boards to 70+ inch free standing outdoor displays. With a focus on simplicity of adoption through ease of install, maintenance and management, Amscreen offer businesses the ability to easily activate their content and leverage the power of customer data on screen.
I do not remember ever seeing any images of Amscreen displays of Jonanna Yeates.. I would have imagined that they would have been in the media... That campaign would and should have been huge.... But.........
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Missing Women Jo Yeates advert up across the Amscreen Network hope this can help in some way #dooh http://yfrog.com/h62nibdj
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Amscreen teams up with The Sun to broadcast appeals across its network for info re Jo Yeates` killer http://yfrog.com/h5a5gvj
The web address that Simon Sugar points everyone to is imageshack??? But if you sign into imageshack it takes you to "my images"?? which is even weirder... Both of Simon Sugars tweets lead you to that page.... Who is his tweet aimed at ?? I don't know if I did something wrong, but it always takes me to the same page...
What happened to the huge adverts that he was supposed to do?? They should be on the side of Bus Shelters and Phone Boxes... But that is not where the tweet leads us??
But I wondered what the hashtag was for #dooh ? And it lead me here .....
http://www.dailydooh.com/archives/39801
Never heard of that publication, but anyway..... There's an image showing us what apparently is Amscreens campaign
From the Dailydooh 12th January 2010
Unfortunately the Jo Yeates Missing Woman, Bristol (UK) alerts that Amscreen ran across their networks just before Christmas turned into a murder investigation post-Christmas.
The Sun newspaper is offering a Ł50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of Miss Yeate’s killer and here we see Amscreen running the reward posters free of charge…
The screens are displaying Jo’s photo and helpline information numbers which will reach over 45 million people across the UK in the next fortnight.
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8168.0;attach=13478;image)
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The images are on a small screen at the desk of what appears to be inside a petrol station.... It surprised me .. I hadn't seen anything on those adverts before... But Simon Sugars tweet doesn't make sense if it is sending you to imageshack....
They have another article from the 23rd December 2010... Adrian J Cotterill, Editor-in-Chief
Not the best of stories for any time (let alone this time of year) but nice that Amscreen are running this missing person alert across their Petrol Forecourt network.
The woman in question has been missing for almost a week now and the Police and her family believe that she might have been abducted.
Anyone with information is asked to contact the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111
At bottom of page....
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The image is again on a screen inside a petrol station... It has a ticker tape running across saying:
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(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8168.0;attach=13482;image)
With 3 images of Joanna Yeates
* In Church at wedding
* Graduation
* In Waitrose
Then gives detail of contacting Operation Braid on 0845 456 700 (non Emergency Number)
Or Crime Stoppers 0800 555 111....
So the campaign was run inside Petrol Stations, did they get any response from this campaign??
Why inside petrol stations ?? which petrol stations was this Amscreen advert aimed at ??
If the adverts are run at the counter of a petrol station and I do not know where else.... Does that mean they believe that Joanna Yeates went to a petrol station?? It says it wants to reach 45 million people...
This Ad campaign was very quiet.. Who was it aimed at?? If they say that someone was following every step of the investigation then they would have had to know about the Dailydooh..(imo) because I have never seen any evidence of this ad campaign before... And No images on the internet show those pictures inside a petrol station... They are new to me... The ad campaign should have caused quite a stir... If it happened... But as I say it is News to me....
And of course any of this isn't mentioned at trial or in any searches of Dr Vincent Tabak.... And If Dr Vincent Tabak cycled everywhere, then he wouldn't see it... If it was made to unnerve someone... An odd place for a campaign...(imo)
Did this campaign only run on those dates ????
23rd December 2010 and 12th January 2011?? or was it continuous??
On saying that the 23rd December 2010 is very early for a campaign.... When she was just a Missing person... what would make Simon Sugar run a free campaign about a Missing Person they have no connection too, is very strange (imo)... There are many many Missing people and we don't see adverts in petrol Stations for them.... So why this particular Missing person?? The information it tells us is limited...
More importantly neither the helpfindjo web page on wordpress or the facebook pages mention this ad campaign in Petrol Stations.. Which you would have thought they would have (imo)...
So what was The Petrol Station campaign all about???
They all say that they put up posters around Bristol...
24th December 2010
Nicko Brooko Cronky and I just came back from postering all the shops at Cribbs Causeway and did a quick recon around Clifton and Whiteladies. Posters are absolutely everywhere, Becky, Emma, Chomit, Croat, Meg and everyone else who has been putting these up have done a fantastic job. Keep spreading the word, the more publicity, the more exposure for Jo's pictures the better.
When i first saw Whiteladies Road in that post I thought maybe she had gone down that road.... But the other coincidence is that there is an "Asda" Petrol Station on whiteladies road... Now i do not know if it has always been an ASDA Petrol Station... Why didn't they mention the ad campaign at the Petrol Station?? telling everyone it is there!
Why does he talk of doing a Recon?? In Clifton and Whiteladies?? Isn't a Recon some special operations.. Military etc???
Maybe someone local to Bristol at the time could say if they ever saw these adverts and maybe they could tell us the location of the petrol station...
Or maybe the picture is in Bath?? I don't know... Does anyone recognise the buildings outside, the row of shops .... ?? I think the blue coloured shop is a restaurant called "Manadalay *****" don't know what else the sign says...
https://twitter.com/simonsugar/status/18026745949065216
https://twitter.com/simonsugar/status/25148872158347264
http://www.dailydooh.com/archives/39801
http://www.dailydooh.com/archives/38720
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Strange image look almost as staged as the Flat... Why is there a great big "Tobacco Sign" above the fridge??
This image is from the 23rd December 2010....
And the person (could be a woman) at the counter looks like they are stood next to the hand sanitizer bottles....
Who are the people in the Picture?? For all I know that could be Joanna Yeates stood there....
If they had claimed she was abducted, then I suppose if someone had her in a vehicle then they would use Petrol Stations...
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The second image shows a man buying a bottle of coke... Talk about coincidence....
The garage in that image i believe is an Esso garage... I don't know if that is significant...
Esso Petrol Station
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So if there is a Petrol station close to Canygne Road it should have picked up Dr Vincent Tabaks car moving past.... Is this the Petrol station that Greg used on his way to sheffield??
Dr Vincent tabak should have past many petrol stations on his way to Bedminster... why do we not see any CCTV of this??
Still haven't identified where that Petrol Station is in the image!
https://www.yelp.co.uk/search?cflt=servicestations&find_loc=Whiteladies+Rd%2C+Bristol+BS8
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Now I do not want to be cynical... But what was the Petrol station Campaign about...
According to Alan Sugar in 2012
November 15, 2012
Lord Sugar committed to 'no-brainer' Amscreen
Media buyers and outdoor agencies are not seeing the value of the digital screen network, its chairman tells Maisie McCabe.
He then goes onto say.....
Today, Sugar wants to talk about digital outdoor media and why his son has not been able to flog advertising on Amscreen’s screens in petrol stations to every confec-tionery brand in the country. The problem, he believes, is media and outdoor agencies not seeing a "no-brainer" when it is right in front of them. "The interest of their client is not a priority," he says.The screens are actually evolved em@ilers and they work wirelessly, allowing copy to be changed in minutes.
Was the freebie a free advertising for Amscreen??
What was The Petrol Campaign really about seeing as we didn't really see any evidence of it..... A trial run for Amscreen or A Campaign for Joanna Yeates??
I have no idea... Anyone else want to comment??
What made them go with The Joanna Yeates Case .. when There was The Irish Girl Blathnaid Timothy Missing at the same time... why not utilise the advert for both Missing Woman...
Just a thought.....
https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/lord-sugar-committed-no-brainer-amscreen/1159542#xHFzW1xzLM44DyKG.99
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This is a poster on the Avon and Somerset facebook website.... Posted on Friday 28th February 2011 14:15pm
Elle Milly Millward Nobody with an ounce of decency would take money from the outcome of this case, If Landlords as nice as his friends say he is, he should understand the police are doing their job when they arrest him, furthermore, DID LANDLORD SEE 3 PEOOPLE OR NOT ?
A reply from Avon and Somerset Police 28th February 2011 18:02pm
Avon and Somerset Constabulary In the light of the arrest of Vincent Tabak we are now considering the impact of this on other aspects of the investigation. A 66 year old man remains on police bail.
This investigation is still live and passing through the criminal justice process therefore we cannot comment further on this.
What other aspects of the Investigation are they referring too??
Is the 66 year old man CJ?? It should be who they are referring too , but I have learnt not to take these things for granted....
What exactly were they investigating ?? So 3 people at Canygne Road who may or may not have included Joanna Yeates... This info has been kept quiet and we don't know for what reason... But if they appear to be Investigating something else, as there post suggests.. Then why would it be bigger than the MURDER of JOANNA YEATES????
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Avon and Somerset Constabulary We are holding a press conference with an update on the investigation this morning at 9.30. Around that time the updated statement will be posted on our website and here as well. Shortly after we will publish a video of the briefing.
Just to repost in case anyone has missed it: Just a quick note to urge you not to use this page to speculate about the ongoing investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates and not to speculate about pot...ential suspects.
Any post that is offensive, defamatory or libellous will be removed; however if you feel that you have information that may help this enquiry then do not hesitate to call the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or contact the investigative team on-line via www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
You can also help by sharing updates we post on this page and our website. This spreads the appeal to a much wider audience. Thank you.
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I meant to come back to this the other day.....
Joanna Yeates and not to speculate about pot...ential suspects.
I suddenly thought what are the Police referring to in this post....
* Pot = Dope/weed/cannibis
* entail = property inheritance
Are they trying to say it was a Pot House?? Or that there was a Pot house in the vicinity??
CJ was on the neighbour hood watch, maybe they were asking him what he knew in the area.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak smoke pot??
The Police have made a deliberate post there...
It's an odd post from the Police ..(imo) They are obviously hinting at something! Maybe not what I have suggested.. but definately something is being hinted at.... (imo)
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23rd December 2010
Jacquie Yeates
Thoughts with David Theresa Greg and Chris, as well as Jo, for being so brave. We're all with you. More people bringing hope everyday xxxx
I read that as Joanna Yeates being brave.... Does this go with the abduction idea??
This is from The Missing page on facebook
David Yeates
24 December 2010 (02:51)
The comment below is from me, not Greg. I was mistakenly logged into his facebook Id. Applogies
We get this....
Greg Beardon
24 December 2010 (02:42)
Teresa & I had to go to Bristol today and we were totally moved by the number of posters placed in the windows of shops and pubs around Clifton, near Jo's flat. Unfortunately we were not able to meet up with you at Cabots Circus. We cannot find the words to express our appreciation of the effort you have given in an attempt to bring my little girl back. The sight of her face in each of the posters brought home the unreal situation we find ourselves in.
How did that happen?? Was he posting as Greg Reardon also??
At this point I do not know what the Polices position is.....
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Oh dear mrswah.... Starring me in the face all this time..... ?{)(**
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Part 1....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9786.msg472504#msg472504
A link to my explanation.... which now, I have an idea.... I believe all possibilities need exploring....
I keep going over and over and over, what it possibly could be that Dr Vincent Tabak did, that would warrant the Police pushing to detain him on NO evidence...
And with me relaying to people how I came across this case and what I had been involved in at the time, I was imagining that it could have been part of the Police Media strategy....
But on reflection maybe not.....
Thinking about some of the early reports on the case too, that appear to make no sense to people ... yet, there was a source that originally gave this information.... And informs us of what was happening around the case....
Obviously I cannot remember every topic that was on this forum.... But I had said that there were neighbours on Canygne road and I think Perceival Road, that were posting on there....
Now do not quote me on this... but I have a vague recollection of LP being a member.. But He wasn't there long...
Dr Vincent Tabak as we know was an engineer and a computer expert.... I think it is extremely possible that Dr Vincent Tabak set up the forum.... No less likely than it being the Police.... or anyone connected to them...
Or did Dr Vincent Tabak know who set up the forum?? many questions...
So this is possibly why the dates are all over the place... Members who were online on the forum obviously were more informed about what was actually taking place around Canygne Road and surrounding areas.... And could give up to date information....
I have said it is about origin, and believe that to be the case.... The Lehman's looking upset coming out of court I couldn't understand the did not know Joanna Yeates, they were visiting apparently... But maybe they were more upset about something else....
Everyones connected..... rings through my head..... Is that because of the Facebook forum or Discussion group?? It's possible.... Anything is possible....
And maybe that is the reason I keep coming back to this case.... And why it doesn't leave me.... I was there with the forum... I read what had been written... I remember and recognise names.....
The question I am asking myself now was Dr Vincent Tabak the original Admin??
Did he post information that should not have been released... where images posted on this forum that shouldn't have been released as they were not public...??
You see everything I post and especially anything that is facebook/twitter related, when i have viewed it, the images were public... They have to be as I keep saying I have no contacts or friends on my facebook page... Zero Ziltch...
Not mrswah... Not leonora... no-one... Therefore every image i post has been public and made public by the people on their facebook accounts....
Also I believe that people who rejoined on the discussion group has slightly change there names... Or there were similar names to the original forum.... This is why it confuses me slightly...
This Case is and I am even more convinced.. Is based on social media... And the stories that we see around the Internet, which we question where they may have come from... I have a suspicion there origin was The forum.....
What better way to inform anyone what is taking place at anyone time.....
This I believe is why the "TIMINGS" don't add up and the reporting in the media at the time, has come from the forum.... The Ikea guys... That could have been on the forum... It's extremely possible... And the talk of CJ and comments made about him, very well may have been made on the forum..... As many people on this forum, were local...
I am having flashbacks to names on the forum, that were originally there and I believe that some took on the names of people who were connected to the Investigation.... This used to confuse me at the time and I began to wonder if these people where from Canygne Road etc.... Knowing that locals had joined the forum.... This is why when I see names now I have a vague recollection of seeing them before.... This is why I get drawn to them.... because I recognise them.... I hope the same would apply to the American girl I mentioned, whom I thought was Italian....
But all I can say for sure is "Christina Rossetti" I remembered that name... and why....
If you go back to the list of names that had apparently made statements that were read out at trial and didn't attended to support this statement... You have to question why?? Where was this Information? It could have come from the forum....
Another thought comes to me.... DCI Phil Jones says that Dr Vincent Tabak only every talked about a mobile phone... well was this on the forum?? Was Dr Vincent Tabak a member of this group that no-one remembers??
There are NO statements from Dr Vincent Tabak.... He always says No Comment.... That is until we come to trial....
Lord.. I have just had another thought.... Does the statement Dr Vincent Tabak made at trial come from posts made on the forum??? They have to get the Information from somewhere and that is the only source I can think of that would have a combination of ideas....scenario,s etc of what may have happened to Joanna Yeates...
80 times Dr Vincent Tabak says he doesn't know.... 80 times Dr Vincent Tabak cannot answer questions put to him... He Cries... He apologies to The Yeates... But what is he apologising for??
Is he apologising for the forum and how that hampered the search... And how that delayed finding her.... As the Police were monitoring the forum , which I have no doubt they were... is this why Dr Vincent Tabak feels guilty?? Is this why he pled guilty to Manslaughter....
If Joanna Yeates had been abducted as The Yeates have maintained and behaved as if that was the case... Did Dr Vincent Tabak.. Interfer with the Investigation.....
Was Joanna Yeates frozen??? Is that a myth.... Was she still alive?? Was it possible to find her still?? The original date that Dr Vincent Tabak was charged between was between the 16th December 2010 and the 26th December 2010...
Was Joanna Yeates Missing earlier?
Everything is racing through my head... names dates etc.... The forum.... all connected... but in which order....
* Did Dr Vincent Tabak hamper this Investigation??
* Did his actions cause Joanna Yeates to die??
* Did the Police only use the forum as their main source for their information??
If Dr Vincents Tabak's actions caused the death of Joanna Yeates, by hampering the Investigation and some wild goose chase took place... Does that make him guilty of manslaughter??
Could that be the case?? I don't know.. But it's a question to ask....
Had he heard something?? Did he say something?? Do the Police know that Fr Vincent tabak helped move the car or that Dr Vincent Tabak said something on-line about CJ's car changing position... Is it that information that the Police used....
Did the Police "KNOW" who owned which account? Or did they just assume that the accounts must be certain people... And there Mis-handling (imo) Of this Investigation, is why this Investigation is such a cock-up...
Did they rely too much on gossip on social media?? Did they waste valuable time not using traditional Policing methods to find out what happened to Joanna Yeates ...
Whio killed Joanna Yeates?? I don't know.... Was it Dr Vincent Tabak?? I don't believe so...... I never have.... But have the Police put two and two together?
Have they mis-interpreted what was said on-line.... we all do it depending on mood etc... we mis- Interpret what we read , because we are looking for something that relates to what is on our own minds....
And did the Police... look for something that wasn't there??
It's all about context... And depending on your situation , it will depend on how you respond....
Mis-Information on social media has been apart of the Internet for an age.... And we chose which part of that Information we choose to believe... And whether it is relevant....
And anything written on that forum could have been viewed with that idea... What process did they use to decide whether it was relevant or not?? How did they discern whom was real and whom wasn't.... Who sent them on a wild goose chase.... And who didn't...
There is no way to find the origin of a tweet or a post, because you have no idea where the poster or tweeter originally saw this info.... Did they just copy and past something they saw elsewhere?? Or was it the information that they contained within their head that they knew was fact.... But then you need evidence to prove this also....
So was a deal made with Dr Vincent Tabak??/ Did he admit to Manslaughter based on what he had done and not by any physical contact he made... Did he write a scenario on-line as to how Joanna Yeates came to her demise and THIS is what was used against him at trial???
Because if you look at my posts i have come up with a never ending scenario and links that can be made to this case... But how much is based on fact?? And how much is just a re-hash of what was already on the internet....??
You don't know And I don't know.... But what I can say for a fact is that....
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Part2...
There was a Forum and discussion about Joanna Yeates... I know I was apart of it... And it's your choice whether you believe me or not.... But I have no reason to lie.... I am not here to make a name for myself.. I do not tell people whom I am.. I don't want to make money out of this and sticking my neck out for a man I do not know and no-one really wants to know is hardly going to make me popular...
We do not know the content of what took place at The Old Bailey... We do not know if the forum was mentioned at The Old Bailey or subsequent trial... We do not know if Dr Vincent Tabak had a hand in this forum or whether the forum was the reason that the delays in finding Joanna Yeates was hampered... There is so much we do not know....
But why if Dr Vincent Tabak was a person who obviously used the internet did none of his facebook posts make it to trial.. or tweet for that matter? I think that is important...
Was the talk behind closed door that we were not privy too talk of this Facebook Forum.... I don't know.. I can hazzard a guess based on my experience... I do not know if anyone is Investigating this... And am unsure by me posting this whether I myself may be hampering an Investigation...
But i leave that for other to let me know.... Or am I at last revealing what took place between those dates up until Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest...
They never Investigated after Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested.... They couldn't ..why... Because I think their Investigation was based on their watching what people had posted and how they could be connected... And people are connected in many many ways... Just not like you may imagine...
Yes the post above says 20 months... But in reality it's getting on for 8 years if I include the forum and the times I have tried to understand why Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison... Or should I say was given a twenty year sentence...
Because it could be a virtual sentence seeing as everything else appears to have been established virtually... without always knowing the origin....
I may change why I believe is not in prison and why I believe that his face and name is is associate with child porn...
With references and on-line checking people do he will forever be associated with this type of activity and his it will affect his life... For 10 years in this country anyway... so he did get a sentence whether or not he is serving it... I don't know.... But he will be associated for ever with the Joanna Yeates case and that very well could be for all the wrong reasons....
I tried to understand... why this case never left me... why a Placid Dutchman was sentenced for a Murder I do not believe he committed and following logic i can try and come up with a logical solution.....
And the reason that this case is built on facebook and tweets and media reports... Is because that is where it started.. On a forum.... And maybe something went before that too.... But My Origin of this case is the forum... Even If I cannot accurately say how I came to know about the case....
But did the Police take this Missing person report seriously in the beginning?? We see reports... we are told long tales... But what did the Police do when they found out that she was Missing???
Was the facebook Missing Group set -up to highlight that the Police weren't doing enough? possibly...
And what I am saying about this case just as possible..... Is the key to this Case the Internet.?? Was it the key to Joanna Yeates disappearance??
It is an unusal Case by any measure... And until I have solid evidence that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates ...I will stay with my belief that he is Innocent.... As I said... gossip on the Internet is not proof....
Rebecca Scott... when she said she spoke on the phone with Joanna Yeates.... Did she hear Joanna yeates voice??? Did she physically verbally hearing every sound from her voice..... Or did she mean she spoke to her on the Internet via Facebook... and that is why the times change of when this Interaction took place??
Last person to speak to her who could positively identify Joanna Yeates would not be some random vicar.... It would Not be Rebecca Scott.... It would be a person who say/... Yes... I know her... I can vouch I last saw her on this day....
This I believe is why we get the uncertainty of Joanna Yeates mood.... Because people are interpreting what they are reading (imo) and applying it to themselves... Making the information not an accurate account....
The Police looked at Joanna Yeates phone... That is where I believe the information comes from.... And it is Joanna Yeates interactions with people.... Was the phone found .... had she lost it..... Did Dr Vincent Tabak find it and had pranked it?? I suggest this because if Greg could apparently gain access to whom she had contacted without a password, that would mean someone else would have the same ability....
And was Dr Vincent Tabak the person who said he was the police and had sent a message at 4:00am to Rebecca Scott?? The reason I am putting this forward as a idea, suggestion whatever you want to call it.... Is that DCI Phil Jones stated that Dr Vincent Tabak would, said No comment to everything put to him... But the only thing he did answer questions about was to do with "A" mobile phone.... [was that Joanna Yeates mobile phone ??]
Did Dr Vincent Tabak find this phone when he put the rubbish out?? It's possible...
Maybe he didn't know how serious this was at the time... I don't know.. And....
We will never know... But I believe that the case needs looking at again properly... And with proper evidence....
And an honest assessment and an honest reason as to why they jailed Dr Vincent Tabak... And i do not mean the bizarre trial we had..... Is he convicted because basically you could say he assisted the murderer by his own actions? And was pressured into getting this case close.... AH.. suggested Dr Vincent Tabak ran rings around the police ... and maybe he did... And maybe he is being punished for showing up their weakness's....embarassing them.... because they decided a course of action that was incorrect....
But who would know about the forum??? Not many I guess... because no-one speaks of it... So what could have they pressurised him with??
Maybe the Facebook hacking.... America is a different country altogether and Facebook is an American owned company.... Maybe the idea of going to America to be put on trial for the hacking was enough to put pressure on Dr Vincent Tabak... Maybe the idea that if he pled guilty to Manslaughter of a fluffed Investigation... Then it would be a win win for all concerned...
But the Yeates may not have been aware of the forum I was part of... Or as I am assuming Dr Vincent Tabak's connection to it.... So no... they didn't win.... Because justice for Joanna Yeates hasn't been done... Someone is paying the price in the publics mind... And slaps on the back all round for the Police...
And is this the reason CPS push for Murder.... because Joanna Yeates was actually Murdered and battered and had many Injuries.... And once they had charged Dr Vincent Tabak they too were carried along with this crazy case?? So much money had already been spent..(imo) on a ham fisted investigation that never moved away from Canygne Road...
I don't know I am not stating it as fact... It's a scenario... just as many other scenarios that have been put forward for this case.....
So are we getting closer to the truth....??? I hope so....
Now we need to start looking at why the investigation focused on Canygne Road, why it never shifted from their and it's more than likely to do with The Mobile Phone and A Key , which could possibily have brought about finding Joanna Yeates sooner.... (imo)
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I must read the journal properly... I have skimmed it... we all do it... There maybe things in there that refresh my memory....
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They concentrated on that house and that house alone.... The concentrated on CJ.... Because he was the landlord, because he had keys, because he had added to his witness statement... Because he didn't have a witness alibi??
Consider this as a scenario... Had Dr Vincent Tabak found Joanna Yeates phone?? Had CJ let him pop it back.... He coat was there, had he pranked her phone??
There's information contained within CJ's second witness statement and it is not just about hearing people at the gate....
He could have seen or heard people... the mobile phone may have been dropped on the path.... Did he pick it up? we don't know Did Dr Vincent Tabak find it when he went to ASDA?? Did he prank it??
Was his first visit to ASDA so much earlier?? They keep telling us he was bored.... But are the texts sent from Joanna Yeates to her friends from Joanna Yeates??
We don't really know who sends us the messages we receive... we trust it is from the people who we know are sending us these messages...
I'm going to put a scenario forward...
We have heard that CJ had spoke to Dr Vincent Tabak, we had heard this was how Dr Vincent Tabak, was aware that Joanna Yeates was going to be on her own all weekend... CJ says he saw people at the gate.... Did he see and speak to Dr Vincent Tabak before he went to Asda?? If Dr Vincent Tabak followed down the path after Joanna Yeates and found this mobile for instance then did he prank with it??
For arguments sake lets say Dr Vincent Tabak had found the phone... And it was Dr Vincent Tabak who sent these messages.. And it was he who had text Chris Yeates friend about what he was up to... Pretending to be Joanna ???
Joanna Yeates normally contacted this friend via Facebook... But Dr Vincent Tabak would not know this.... he didn't know her... But if he's sat at home bored messing with this phone maybe when he receives the replies and Greg messages.. He realises he needs to put it back... it's possible that it was Dr Vincent Tabak having a joke , we don't know him or his sense of humour... He might have thought it amusing that when Greg came home, he would have seen all these texts to various men from Joanna ....
As they say when the cats away the mice will play....
And this is possibly where CJ comes in to this.... If it was CJ who opened the door for Dr Vincent Tabak to put the phone back... neither of them would be aware that she was a Missing Person at this time....... Or was it CJ who made the phone call to inform the Police on the 19th December 2010, because of the state of the flat and he had been inside and hadn't seen his tenant all weekend..... I don't know... this is a scenario.....
Putting both CJ and Dr Vincent Tabak in the centre of a crime and possible Crime scene..
there needs to be a reason the Police know that Dr Vincent Tabak had been inside that flat when CJ was there....
And because of the mobile phone, then did they know that someone else had messed with it....
And here we start....
The investigation stayed at that address.... and she was only ever called a Missing Person... How is Dr Vincent Tabak a Foreign National supposed to understand how our Police work in a Missing Persons Investigation.... He's Dutch... It could be normal procedure for an incident room to be parked outside an address and officers constantly around....
But maybe because of these messages to these male friends he may have done... he didn't want to admit to it.... Putting the last time anyone had seen Joanna Yeates back to The Ram....
Rebecca Scott didn't see her, we are told they spoke... maybe they did.... But It's after her leaving The Ram that things are a little vague....
What her and Rebecca Scott apparently discussed at the time could have been done over messages... And other aspects of this chat were possibly on the Facebook Forum....
I have read that Rebecca had left Wales on the Friday then next it says... she left Wales on the Sunday.... But if we do not have the origin of this mobile phone communication, and what type of communication it was.... The we cannot know for sure....
I'll reiterate..... DCI Phil Jones had to have a reason to talk to Dr Vincent Tabak and as DCI Jones has stated... It was only ever around a mobile phone and Dr Vincent Tabak wouldn't answer any questions relating to CJ or anything else..... Maybe he talked of The Facebook Forum.... he was Interviewed for 6 hours...
Maybe because Dr Vincent Tabak didn't want to implicate CJ....
But maybe they did find Dr Vincent Tabak's finger prints on the front door... maybe that wasn't an untruth.... And they wanted to question him about it.... maybe his finger prints are on this mobile phone??
They are under pressure to solve this crime ... The only person whom, doesn't appear to have an alibi is CJ ... the only person who could gain entry without forcing entry is CJ....
So to add pressure and put the other neighbours under the same pressure they arrest CJ.... The door had already been forensically tested, before the 29th December 2010, when we get a birds eye view of them removing it.....
CJ's arrest was a planned one... it was marked in DCI Phil Jones log/note book.... What better way to get Dr Vincent Tabak in for a chat, than to arrest CJ....
What better way to have an excuse to collect a DNA sample in Holland, than arrest CJ.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak actually contact the Police or did they contact Dr Vincent Tabak.... Did they use the excuse about the car as a reason to go to Holland.... Where they asked for a sample....
meaning that they could link his (touch) DNA with Joanna Yeates DNA... on her body... Well her body had been touching the phone.... the DNA would therefore be Mixed.... tying Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates DNA together....
So they really need an excuse to Interview Dr Vincent Tabak..... And I think the Holland Interview is it.... It is DCI Jones who later after trial talks of Dr Vincent Tabak saying nothing other than about the mobile phone....
So a 200 page not book full of No comment from his Holland Interview... But If they do not want us to know about the forum or what Dr Vincent Tabak answered about a mobile phone... we are left with our own scenario's....
And if the Facebook Forum was kept out of trial or anything to do with Facebook or twitter... Then we don't know what context the Interview with DC Karen Thomas was about.... We may assume... and they let us make our own minds up.....
But if relevant information is Missing.... And The Forum origin is Missing.. do the police want to divulge there media strategy at a trial.... ??
Because it took so long for Dr Vincent Tabk to say what had happened with this phone ... The Police were chasing leads that didn't exist.... And it was Dr Vincent Tabak's actions that caused the delay in locating her...
Dr Vincent Tabak say's he is sorry for putting the Yeates through a week of hell..... But which week is he taking about..... From when she went Missing to when she was found.... Or for not admitting sooner he had messed and pranked a phone he found...??
We have to remember that DC Karen Thomas and the Police went around to Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat on many occasions from when she was reported Missing to before she was found... He was constantly rung by the Police.....
Why???
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They wanted him ... they needed him... when quite frankly they shouldn't.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak's finger prints show up at the Flat on the door?? Was he connected to her mobile phone?? maybe a print of his was found on the phone??
CJ said that the Police took witness statements and Finger prints along with DNA samples from all of the tenants... which everyone submitted ... So is this where the connection between Dr Vincent Tabak and DNA comes from....
It has to be CJ that tells them that he and Dr Vincent Tabak were in that Flat at one point together... But when...? Or did that come from the Facebook Forum??
Did CJ know about the Facebook site?? Was he a participant on the forum??
And it is possible to see how Dr Vincent Tabak could be connected quite Innocently with Joanna yeates... Or you could say not so Innocently because of what he may have done...
And it takes until he is questioned about the mobile phone that, they now have there knew suspect......
Ann Redrrop stated that they were looking into Dr Vincent Tabak since late December... well if were are all adding up at the moment... I am suggesting that It is Joanna Yeates Mobile phone that Dr Vincent Tabak tells DC Karen Thomas about ... or her colleague...
Put that together with Dr Vincent Tabak having touched the front door and you have a reason to suspect him....
The week of agony he put the Yeates through... Now if he didnt divulge about what he knew about this mobile phone when he spoke to DC Karen Thomas on the 24th December 2010 and eventually told them on the 31st December 2010 .. then we have our week... a week of hell that The Yeates didn't need to go through...
Dr Vincent Tabak says sorry about the "week" of hell.. when Joanna Yeates was Missing for 8 days... that is over a week... so was the week of hell really about him not being honest about the mobile phone and what he may have done??
If he had said sooner maybe Joanna Yeates would or could have been found alive....
And this is the reason that Dr Vincent Tabak feels responsible for Joanna Yeates death.... rather than him actually killing her..... Because if he hadn't messed with the mobile phone... Then the Polices lines of Inquiry may have been different... making him responsible for the outcome...
Anyway... It's an idea... And unless we really know who set up the facebook forum.. Or who said what on this Facebook forum it makes it difficult to know what the origins of the messages or anything else was...
Maybe this info was stated by Dr Vincent Tabak on the Forum.... Maybe it was CJ who contacted The Yeates on the 19th December 2010 and said he believed she was Missing.... But he had put himself inside the flat... I don't know... But I do know there is too much Information Missing about this case... And a man convicted on what amounts to a story that is not supported by any evidence.... (imo)
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Or a far more simple answer... he posted something on the "Facebook Forum"... (which was a proper forum not a group)
Maybe he posted something about the mobile phone that no-one should have known.... `And they wanted to know how he knew....
That Old Facebook Forum... May it is the Key to this Case.... If only we could see it all!!
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From The Journal from The Face Book Forum ... 29th December 2010....
Kelly Jackson
he was either in the apartment already when she arrived home but that does not explain why the police have always suspected the killer was known to her .......or he has popped round, she let him in and he killed her.
The scenario they chose for Dr Vincent Tabak...(imo)
* He popped round and she let him in and he killed her....
* So was the first scenario used on CJ..... The LL was known to her and he had the keys to enter the Flat....??
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One more thing I can and will add about the Old Facebook forum... Is that when you wanted to address someone on the forum you would put @_ _ and there name on it....
So @Derek for instance... then Derek would have a notification I believe that a reply had been directed at them.... maybe I shouldn't be saying this I don't know...
I was just on a forum years ago.... *%^^&
And that emoji I just used made me think of the sobbing girl.... maybe she was on the forum too.... 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(
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I keep thinking about the old facebook forum that was on Facebook when Joanna Yeates disappeared.. And trying to remember what it looked like....
The interface was different from this forum, it took me a moment to navigate it.... But it was a cross between, facebook a forum and twitter... I think that the best way I can describe it at the moment..
Why it was originally set up i don't know.... Maybe the origin of it need questioning.
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http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=33538&headline=%C2%A3500,000%20confiscated%20in%20tax%20probe§ionIs=news&searchyear=2017
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It's has been sending me bonkers trying to find and remember the name of the girl who would converse on the Old Facebook Forum "Joanna Yeates" Discussion of The Case...
I went back skimming the journal to see if I recognised her name.... And I found it ... not only that i found the exact avatar of her that was used when she was on the forum... How crazy is that.....
Her name was "Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo" she was one of the names that when I went to re-rejoin the discussion group, i knew when i saw her avatar that I was on the right group....
Why she has always stuck with me I cannot tell you.... There is an image of her on pintrest... I put her name into google and looked at images... There she was on pintrest.... Now the avatar she uses on pintrest and this is over 7 years later is the exact same avatar that she used on the Old Facebook Forum... she hasn't changed it.... odd
Which for me was fortunate... As that is the avatar of her I remembered anyway...
this is one of her posts from the journal: when discussing the appeal footage that had been pulled...
Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo
I was watching a program with Dr.Ekman, a Professor from Berkley University. Dr.Ekman conducted some of the first studies on human emotions and their expression on our faces. His research concluded that regardless of race, from New Guinea to Japan, emotions look the exactly the same on every human being. His latest research has been about how microexpressions. These are basically involuntary expressions that expressed subtext, they happen very fast, but can give away deceit or conflicting emotions. Anyway, his work is very interesting. I have to say that after watching some of Dr.Ekman's tutorials, Greg Reardon's tearful plea takes a whole different meaning
http://face.paulekman.com/aboutmett2.aspx
Now the question has to be ...... Did she join our facebook group herself or had someone borrowed her identity?? At the time I would have said that it was who she said she was... But on reflection that doesn't have to be the case...
Odd how her image has stuck with me, and I knew the minute i saw it i would recognise it....
On the image search I used google to search for the image to see if there were any more of this lady... The search results just say "Girl" with image of "Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo" and random other images that are not relevant..
I have found her facebook page which has very little on it apart from one thing that caught my eye.. Is an image that was uploaded in 26th September 2011 which came from an album in 2010 ... which is strange.... Seeing as there is nothing else from 2010... Her Facebook Posts start in 2011...
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Her facebook account may well be fake... she hasn't changed the avatar of that either.... It's the exact same one that was used on the forum...
Looking at her friends, her are some names that ring a bell...
* Frank Columbo
* Vicki Roust
* Sarah Shaw
I'm not saying they were all on the Old forum, just that they ring a bell....
Sorry if it's another boring post, But it has satisfied my curiosity and my memory is not incorrect... The Forum and what I remember is somewhere in my head.... Think it needs dusting... (&^&
Edit.. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-alvarez-de-toledo-4b662030
American University
American University
BA, History
1988 – 1992
President
Street Family Films
February 2002 – December 2006 (4 years 11 months)
CEO
RioBlush
2007 – Present (11 years)
President & CEO RioBlush is a medical device company that develops, manufactures, markets, and sells high quality medical devices for aesthetic and medical use. The majority of the products are based on the company's patented technology, RASHA(TM). Sales are made through the company's own subsidiaries or distributors in over 20 countries.
Chairman
RioGenX
January 2014 – Present (4 years 7 months)
RioGenX is a clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company focused on the discovery, development and commercialization of novel prescription products for the aesthetic medicine market.
https://www.pinterest.com/aalvarezdet1251/
https://yeates-archive.livejournal.com/31684.html
https://www.facebook.com/alexandra.alvarezdetoledo
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The image from the march album of 2010... Shows Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo with another lady from RioBlush..
Might just be me but.....
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RioBlush's CEO (L) & Dr Zenker (R)
Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo and Doctor Sabine Zenker at FACE 2011 in London
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RioBlush's CEO (L) & Dr Zenker (R)
Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo and Doctor Sabine Zenker at FACE 2011 in London
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This is from Flickr....
How can the facebook image come from an album in March 2010, when looking at Flickr the event happened July 19th 2011, that was when the photo was apparently taken...
Face 2011 stands for: Facial Aesthetic Conference & Exhibition (FACE) looking for this exhibition I found this article..
The Facial Aesthetic Conference and Exhibition (FACE) is set to open it's doors to all practioners and practice owners starting June 24-26, 2011.
So how can the image be taken after the event according to flickr or before the event according to facebook?
Or Is it just me??
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rioblush/5953253547/in/photostream/
https://americanhealthandbeauty.com/articles/4471/facial-aesthetic-conference-and-exhibition-face-2011-uk
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The images from the facebook account and from the Face 2011 conference differ... Is one photoshopped?? Or both...
The left image is from Face 2011 the right image from the facebook account
Same pose.. Head position is different... On one she has a silver ring on her right hand , on the other it looks gold..
Both of their left arms are in the same position but Alexandra's left arm isn't as long it's like from Alexander's breast bone, that part of the photo has been twisted..
Alexandra hair is different... So is the lady to her right... The lady on the right's pose hasn't changed apart from her head, but I'm thinking she would have had to move her hair because it is different on the facebook image....
So how then did she manage to have the exact same pose?? Her clothing hasn't moved....
Has someone completely made up this lady called "Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo "??
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Just one more image of Alexandra Alvarez de Toledo from flickr..... Image date taken 24th December 2009:
But the sign in the background says Welcome to AMWC 2011...
Now I can't be mistaken with that one... Rio Blush AMWC Congress 2011 Monaco...
This is really weird....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rioblush/5570481835/in/photostream/
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I said I was unsure how long the "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 facebook Group had been active or visible to everyone....
I have questioned whether or not it was available for everyone to find or whether or not it had a different name originally... My questioning doesn't appear to be in vain...
Tracy Kirtley
23 December 2010 21:06
so sorry, I started another group as I could not find it on facebook under a search, I have now deleted it and will direct all members to this site. I hope and pray that this lovely young lady is returned to her devistated family soon xxxxxx
Paula Taylor
it is not easy finding this group, i couldn't find it on search either? i found it thru link, im not sure why but can this be looked into, make group public or something as more people searching for Jo the better!!!
Dessiree Llaneza i found it through Sky News, accidently joined a different one too before.
Then someone say:
Mike Blake Wade Not sure why people can't find it under the search, it's currently set to public
Michele Cutler Be a lot better if people didn't have task to join - makes no sense whatsoever and i'm sure people look and don't bother asking to join.
Jacquie Yeates..
Jacquie Yeates this group is fully set to open. it seems facebook doesnt have the features to allow those that havnt been invited to this group, to join it without request. i can assure you that im accepting all requests as soon as im able to.
Jacquie Yeates Ill stress again, when i created this group, it was set to fully OPEN. there's nothing much else i can do, at least the members are doubling each day.
Paula Taylor sorry Mike, just advice. i typed in her name and 2 groups popped up, neither was this one and this one looks like its the official group! also i am in the bristol network so thought it would pop up more so... if it shows public im not sure why then???
* So was this group public from day one???
* Did it have a different name when it was first made, as I have suggested is possible???
* Why has their been links made from skynews to the site??
Day one of the Missing Group is 21st December 2010 16:42... Jacquie Yeates is admin (apparently)
Jacquie Yeates created the group JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10.
21 December 2010 16:42pm
Take a note of the time....
So this "PUBLIC" group as it is called was created then...... The family are all part of this group, except we do not see Mrs Yeates post.... They at one point have 9,000 member plus.... i do not know what the figure actually went to....
My question has to be... who set up the facebook?? I know Jacquie Yeates is supposed to have done, but i am not sure...
We have her as admin.... But there was a time when they all say in the group about losing control of admin, and that Jacquie is no longer admin.... which in itself appears strange...
But I have a theory on that too..... which I'll post on a different topic.... ( A Case Built on Social Media)
I will say again....
* When was this group made??
* And who made this group??
* What was it originally called??
Remember that Paula taylor had difficulty finding it.... she was posting on the 23rd December 2010
I have another reason to believe that this group wasn't visible from the 21st December 2010... which I will share on another post...
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