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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010. => Topic started by: [...] on May 01, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
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I'm going to try to tweet each Journalist and what they say at the trial ... From their very first tweet....
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Unconfirmed Twitter sources saying Tabak has confessed. Expecting an announcement around 10pm.
2:41 PM - 22 Jan 2011
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So this is where the confession idea came from.... Needed Brotherton after that didn't they!!
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Just got press pass confirmation for Vincent Tabak murder trial. Four-week case starting in Bristol on October 4.
10:20 AM - 29 Sep 2011
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Tabak trial, day 1: In annex room with about 10 of the press pack. Two screens broadcasting the case. Showing Tabak, def, [ censored word ] and judge.
8:01 AM - 4 Oct 2011
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So is that how they saw the case in an ANNEX???
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/28915269254512640
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/119446391960506368
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/121223485824569344
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Legal argument set to take up most of the day - before the jury is sworn in. #tabak #joyeates
1:25 AM - 4 Oct 2011
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Tabak trial, day 1: Prosecution anticipate opening their case on Friday. Site visits on Tuesday. #tabak #joyeates #bristol
5:21 AM - 4 Oct 2011
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Trial of Vincent Tabak to start today at 10.45am at Bristol Crown Court. The Dutchman is accused of murdering Bristol architect Jo Yeates.
1:24 AM - 4 Oct 2011
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The main thing that is obvious... Everyone tweets before anything happens..... Early hours of the morning....
Now what does that tell us????
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/121123580992958464
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/121123810169733120
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/121183086598832129
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Tabak trial, day 2: Jury expected to be sworn in this afternoon #tabak #joyeates #bristol
5:03 AM - 5 Oct 2011
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Tabak trial, day 3: Back in the annex, watching proceedings on TV screens. Delays yesterday - jury due to be sworn in today #tabak #joyeates
3:25 AM - 6 Oct 2011
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Put in a shift at the crown court today for Tabak. Some incredible details revealed. #tabak #joyeates
2:11 PM - 10 Oct 2011
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https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/121541130352476160
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Tabak lying in emails to his girlfriend Tanja being some of the most notable. Shocking image of Jo's frozen body in the snow also shown.
2:16 PM - 10 Oct 2011
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Tabak looked nervous throughout. Sat with head in his hands for a large part. Would not look at pictures of Jo.
2:19 PM - 10 Oct 2011
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Tabak trial: Jury to hear more from the prosecution over Jo's death. #tabak #joyeates
3:23 AM - 11 Oct 2011
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https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/123690128232292352
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No Tweet for Wednesday the 12th October 2011 and can't find one for Thursday 13th October 2011 Or Friday 14th October 2011...from James Beal
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Tabak told police he held Jo by the throat for 20 seconds, while facing her. Pathologist confirmed this could be enough to kill. #joyeates
11:48 AM - 17 Oct 2011
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Another full day at the #tabak trial. Dutchman did not look at Greg Reardon once when he gave evidence. Sat with his head in his hands.
11:47 AM - 17 Oct 2011
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No tweet for the 18th October 2011.......
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Astonishing day in court today. #tabak says he tried to kiss Jo - 'misreading' signals after she invited him in for a drink #joyeates
10:36 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/125991647694684160
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Finally home. Knackering day. Listening to the Beatles got me home. Back in for #tabak tomorrow.
3:48 PM - 19 Oct 2011
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Rammed in the press room of #tabak. Around 30 journos in the annex. Lost my front row seat for the first time in the trial.
3:07 AM - 20 Oct 2011
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Next tweet 24th October ... Nothing for the 21st October 2011
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Jury sent home in #tabak trial. To return tomorrow for closing speeches by prosecution and defence. #joyeates
6:32 AM - 24 Oct 2011
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Always tweeting in the morning before court????
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/126776836708511744
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/126947574488899584
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/128448770387087360
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Closing speeches from the prosecution and defence to be heard in the #tabak trial today. Possibly jury out tomorrow afternoon. #joyeates
2:21 AM - 25 Oct 2011
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Both prosecution and defence lawyers gave powerful, persuasive and emotive arguments in closing. Judge will sum up evidence tomorrow. #tabak
11:47 AM - 25 Oct 2011
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Jury set to be sent out in the #tabak trial tomorrow. Jo's family are close to finding out whether her killer is guilty of murder. #joyeates
11:44 AM - 25 Oct 2011
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Press room still buzzing. Interest in the case building up to a crescendo. #tabak #joyeates
11:46 AM - 25 Oct 2011
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Judge summing up in #tabak trial: Jo Yeates a lovely young woman robbed of her life #joyeates
5:01 AM - 26 Oct 2011
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Jury in the #tabak trial have now been out for 5 and a half hours. Press room pensive and poised. #joyeates
4:55 AM - 27 Oct 2011
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Still no sign of jury verdict in the #tabak trial. They've now been out for more than 8 hours. #joyeates
7:58 AM - 27 Oct 2011
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#tabak jury sent home for the day. They've now had 10 hours deliberations. Hearing a majority direction could still be a while off too.
9:58 AM - 27 Oct 2011
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#Tabak jury still out. They've had two days and a total of 12 hours. Still no verdict...
5:56 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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In the annex room in court, the television camera angles have been changed in preparation for verdict. #tabak #joyeates
7:01 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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One camera will focus on Tabak's face, the other on the public gallery. #tabak #joyeates
7:02 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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Jury have now been out for 14 hours. #joyeates #tabak
7:23 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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#tabak trial: All options now on the table. Unanimous verdict, majority verdict...hung jury (gulp)...
6:53 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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Assembled press now edgy. Papers/tv want early verdict as possible. Sunday papers would like it later this afternoon. #tabak #joyeates
6:54 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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Jo's parents NOT at court today. Greg is here. #tabak #joyeates
6:56 AM - 28 Oct 2011
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An intense day yesterday. #Tabak verdict, police, cps, family reaction then police presser afterwards.
10:11 AM - 29 Oct 2011
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There are all the tweets I can find on that search of James Beal...
The tweets appear to be all before they happen....
https://twitter.com/JamesSBeal/status/130315746109693952
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When I went back to some of the sky live update pages, the information is not there... I clicked on a link I had put on my posts but it appears to have gone... Well not completely... The tweets that were there are gone...
It is about DC Mark Luther... The Illusive DC Mark Luther whom, nobody had ever heard of... Well I certainly hadn't and the idea that this Police Officer was in charge of the case, begs the question which case are they referring too?
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DC Mark Luther says he charged #Tabak with murder on 22nd of January - to which he "made no response". Prosecution Case has now ended.
12:14 PM - 19 Oct 2011
Well thats a new one... He is the Officer who charged Dr Vincent Tabak with Murder.... I had no idea this man existed... Skynewsgather had tweeted on the live update about DC Mark Luther, and that was the only reference I ever had to him.... But because that appears to have gone.. I searched and found other Journalists had also talked of this DC Mark Luther....
The Prosecutions case ended with DC Mark Luther... so why are there no references in the Media and Articles at the time of this Police Officer ???
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DC Luther talking through photographs from inside the flat #Tabak shared with his girlfriend.
12:12 PM - 19 Oct 2011
Why have we never seen inside the Flat that they refer too as Dr Vincent Tabak's?? Is it the same Flat as Joanna Yeates ?? They are the only photo's that I know of....
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Now the Officer In Charge of the case, DC Mark Luther is in the witness box - talking through pictures of Vincent Tabak's flat.
12:10 PM - 19 Oct 2011
There are NO images of the illusive DC Mark Luther that I know of..... Maybe he is in an amongst the images that were taken at the time of trial ...
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DC Mark Luther now giving evidence in the #Tabak trial. He is the officer in charge of the case.
12:09 PM - 19 Oct 2011
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DC Mark Luther, officer in the case. Pics of Flat 2 Canynge Rd (Tabak's) shown.
12:08 PM - 19 Oct 2011
Here's an image of what @skynewsgather said... that link now has no information
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Plenty of times I have shown that information was available the day before the event happened.... BDP saying on the 24th December 2010 about Joanna Yeates being found dead...
Jess Siggers on her facebook post knowing information before she should.... But it brought me to another idea... If these tweets were really from someone appearing the day before at trial... Then is it possible the image we see of "Brotherton" is in fact DC Mark Luther??
I have suggested before that he looks like an over weight Police man... And lets not forget that he assumed the role of chaplain...
Or was the old man at the gate handing the sock in DC Mark Luther ?? He (imo) has to be amongst the images taken somewhere... They just didn't identify him in the images...
Alternatively he could be one of the Officers that accompany Rebecca Scott....
DC Mark Luther is an enigma to this case.... We know that DCI Phil Jones tells us he was in charge of the case... So what case was DC Mark Luther in charge of????
https://twitter.com/SunriseIsabel/status/126617101388615680
https://twitter.com/HarrietTolputt/status/126616611665887232
https://twitter.com/SunriseIsabel/status/126616165677146112
https://twitter.com/HarrietTolputt/status/126615844699635712
https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/126615783206961152
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg453741#msg453741
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Where is the trial been broadcast?? How comes they are watching it on 2 screens when the trial was not supposed to be filmed???
Or what they are watching is the tweets being broadcast to them or the script of the case.... I'm sure they are looking at a script... They just tweet what they see on the screen (imo)
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Tabak takes his oath with thick Dutch accent. He gives full name.
10:08 AM - 20 Oct 2011
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So what is his full name??
Does anyone know?? of course someone does... Has Dr Vincent Tabak got another name or is he known by another name?? Is that why people say he is guilty??
Takes "his" oath"??? What does that mean?? Takes "the oath"... Who or what is Dr Vincent Tabak??
https://twitter.com/HarrietTolputt/status/126947953159045121
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This has been removed from the sky live updates...
4:46 PM - 28 Oct 2011Twitter
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#JoannaYeates police asked why VTs girlfriend was not a witness in the trial. They haven't spoken to her since the day after his arrest...
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4:49 PM - 28 Oct 2011Twitter
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#Joanna Yeates Police found that VT had researched extradition. Evidence he was planning to flee? No, says Cops
Why do they keep removing pages??
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death?Page=2
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Another reporter mentioning DC Mark Luther...
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Officer in the Case, DC Mark Luther, now in witness box
12:07 PM - 19 Oct 2011
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WHO IS DC MARK LUTHER???????
https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/126615467770126337
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The searches that Dr Vincent Tabak apparently performed... I had always believed that they were not his, but I now have another question....
This is from a tweet from Rupert Evelyn
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He google searched "manslaughter","maximum sentence mazslaughter" meaning manslaughter. Typed in "what is penalty for manslaughter"
11:03 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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Another typo??
His apparent typo for "Crisis" instead of "Crisps" was made a great deal of suggesting that he never made typos..
I searched for mazslaughter and came across a pdf from 1988...
But it said maz.slaughter
At first I couldn't see where this maz.slaughter was... Looking at the text it actually looks like mat.slaughter... It was then I remembered that every time I has pasted and copied text from pdf from The leveson inquiry I had to correct the copy, because many words had changed and the text didn't make sense....
Below is the copied and pasted text from the pdf article from that I have put a link to.... (images attached)
Finland. Homicide Includes maz.slaughter (1981-
84). Auto theft Includes "taking and driving away"
(1981-84).
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I am not saying it is from this 1988 paper... But did someone copy and paste these searches??
I thought he was supposed to have searched "Doodslag"??
Sally Ramage papers..
At Line 271 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched the Dutch word
‘doodslag’ (English meaning: ‘manslaughter’)
So what is it?? he searched "Doodslag" or "Mazslaughter"
What is Rupert Evelyn trying to tell us??
At Line 258 (afternoon- at work)
Tabak performed Google searches on the words
‘manslaughter’
‘previous offenders’
‘Maximum sentence Manslaughter’
Tabak then performed a Yahoo search for the words
‘penalty for manslaughter’
Rupert Evelyn appears to have line 258 and 271 combined in his tweet, but missing the "Doodslag"... Did the word Doodslag appear?? It should have... the text from Dr Vincent Tabak should have been in Dutch, as i have said before...
We Dutchies google in Dutch....
So I have to ask the question, who's searches were they? and where did the word "Mazslaughter come from???
Did the media have knowledge of what was going to be said in court beforehand??
It's a thought.....
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED299528.pdf
https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/126599290482200576
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Also looked at pages on Barry Ruberry, murdered in home in Iron Acton, north of Bristol.
11:04 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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This is new to me.... why would Dr Vincent Tabak look at this murder?? he has no connection to... no-one has said anything about this murder being on his searches ...
What pages??? where was he apparently searching??
The talk of a serial killer in January 2011 when CJ had been arrested and the suggestion that Melanie Hall and Glenis Caruthers had been killed in a similar way, was to add weight to the police allowing the public to believe that they were all connected and that a serial killer was in our midsts...
But how do you then explain Barry Ruberry?? An Old man killed in Iron Acton.. In April 2010?
What possible connection does that have?? Is there a connection?? Why would Dr Vincent Tabak even look at that murder??
https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/126599490617606145
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A search Dr Vincent Tabak apparently did....
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Boxing Day (day after Jo Yeates found); news items on Jo on English and Australian websites. Search on household waste collection times.
11:20 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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This is strange.... Boxing Day, why would he look at Australian websites?? Dr Vincent Tabak didn't have his computer then, he was away with Tanja in Cambridge apparently....
Going off topic.... One odd thing sprung to mind, was Australian... It made me think of David Yeates.... Is he Australian or lived there ??.... The only reason I say this is because of the the post I did on the TV program "Countdown To Murder"....
(72) * (Mr Yeates) The thing is about Jo she was quiet predictable, she didn't do walkabouts. (shakes head) Go of and tell nobody where she was going..
Why would Joanna Yeates be on an Australian website?? She wouldn't... are we back to Jo standing for "Journalist"???
Why would Dr Vincent Tabak be looking at an Australian website?? Doesn't make sense at all.... There has never been a connection to Australia and Dr Vincent Tabak... So why would he view an Australian news website???
Who's searches were these???
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8239.msg456649#msg456649
https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/126603737459474432
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#TabakTrial underway. Statement from Joanna's boyfriend Greg being read to the court.
10:33 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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Why did they read Greg's statement out in court when apparently he had taken the stand on the 17th October 2011??
No-one has said very much about what Greg said on the stand in tweets...
Who read out Greg's statement??? Was it Clegg?? Is that why Clegg knew about the blind being broken and alwayss staying up??
https://twitter.com/HarrietTolputt/status/126591847467462656
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Richard Payne
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Hearing written statement from Greg Reardon. He's talking about an apron found in flat hallway and 'out of place'.
10:36 AM - 19 Oct 2011
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Again it's a written statement.... !!!
Did all of Greg's so called evidence come from a written statement?????
What did he say on the stand on the 17th October 2011 and what was from his statement????
https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/126592545609355264
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Jim Old
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#TabakTrial press conference starting now. We're not allowed to take it live. You'll see it on @SkyNews shortly. #JoannaYeates
4:27 PM - 28 Oct 2011
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So the press conference wasn't live... When had it actually been recorded?? Is this when they came out of court and addressed the press or the one in the hotel with DCI Phil Jones Ann Reddrop and DC Joe Goff.... Or all of them??
Were any of the Police Conferences live??
DCI phil Jones press Conference on the 28th December 2010 with Jon Stratford... Was that also recorded?? We Know that DCI Phil Jones was in charge of the case from the 27th December 2010, he tells us so in his Leveson Inquiry statement....
This begs the question were the tweets live??
Why would they not be allowed to take it live??
That leads to all sorts of possibilities... The timing of Joanna Yeates being found, I thought it was before Christmas day... The media may have reported that it was Christmas day, but BDP had that information on the 24th December 2010...
When did they actually record that piece of information??
What does Jim Old mean by they are 'Not allowed to take it live"???
Was anything from this case or trial live at anytime???
https://twitter.com/SkyFixerJim/status/129942465003266049
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Court told Tabak researched DNA evidence, forensics and finger-printing on 22 Dec. Jo's body found three days later.
11:07 AM - 19 Oct 2011
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9448.0;attach=13828;image)
This may appear incriminating, Clegg should have noted that, the Forensic Officers were already at Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010, dusting for finger prints, and Dr Vincent Tabak lived in the building, so anyone living in the building looking at what the Police do in an Investigation,might check up why an abundance of Police Officers and Forensics had attended the scene of a 'Missing Person'....
The search doesn't point to the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak must have known that Joanna yeates was dead... more to the fact that he was aware that the Police Forensics were already on Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010....
Police hunt for missing woman Joanna Yeates in Bristol; Police hunt for missing woman Joanna Yeates in Bristol
EXT / SNOW ON GROUND Police officers and mobile incident room outside Joanna's flat Police officer and forensic officer outside flat Reporter to camera
From attached image .... 22nd December 2010
Rupert Evelyn says:
The abundance of Police Officers both in and around Joanna Yeates Flat, give the sense that this is a major Crime scene, when in reality 5 days after Jo went Missing, Police are still treating this as a Missing person Inquiry
Therefore how can that search be incriminating for anyone who lived in that building??
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-officers-and-mobile-incident-room-outside-joannas-news-footage/659244604
https://twitter.com/jonkay01/status/126600347295813632
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@stevenmorris20 Excellent tweets on Tabak- followed whole denouement of trial with you as it happened-so compelling.
10:38 PM - 1 Nov 2011
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9448.0;attach=13832;image)
In which context do we take this tweet from Jane Solomons, freelance corresponant
denoument:
noun
1.
the final clarification or resolution of a plot in a play or other work
the point at which this occurs
2.
final outcome; solution
Was the whole trial a work? A play? A moot trial as I have suggested??
https://twitter.com/JaneSolomons/status/131500501379452929
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RT @davidallengreen: Tabak strangulation porn was inadmissible as it was not *direct* evidence of whether he committed murder of #joyeates
3:34 PM - 28 Oct 2011
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9448.0;attach=13834;image)
Therefore the only direct so called evidence was that Dr Vincent Tabak took the stand and said that he did it..... Nothing to support his claim.... Nothing to substanciate that it was even possible within the time frame....
No direct evidence linking Dr Vincent Tabak to this murder whatsoever.... So what made him stand up in court and say that it was he who committed this Murder?? A sudden guilty conscience??? If he was so calculating and deceitful why tell everyone that he committed the murder.... why not just stay quiet as he had done all the way until he opens his mouth on the stand on the 19th October 2011... Nothing I repeat nothing evidentary wise connects Dr Vincent Tabak to Joanna Yeates...
So why throw your life away when you are apparently very calculated by admitting to this event?? Makes no sense whatsoever.... Anyone can say they did something... Doesn't make it true... Get the evidence to support what they say, and not twist searches that are purported to be Dr Vincent Tabaks to make out he was doing something unusual when Joanna Yeates hadn't been found... He was only doing what I am sure other residents were doing ... Checking on line why the forensics would be on Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010... I am sure I would do that too.... Rather unusual behaviour for a Missing persons case, with an incident van parked right out side their doorsteps.... !!
What evidence did they even have to charge him with??? The man had not spoken until he reached court in October 2011, yet he's apparently kept in prison from Janauary 2011 till October 2011 when the trial takes place... with NO direct Evidence linking him to the Murder of Joanna Yeates....
No Finger Print Evidence
No hard DNA evidence
No trace of him in Joanna Yeates flat
No trace of Joanna Yeates in his flat
No CCTV of him driving to Asda
No CCTV of him driving to Longwood lane
No GPs putting Dr Vincent Tabak in any of these area's
No witness putting Dr Vincent Tabak at Longwood lane on the 17th December 2010
No witness seeing Dr Vincent Tabak enter Joanna Yeates home....
No evidence at all to support Dr Vincent Tabak killing Joanna Yeates.....
Canygne Roads private CCTV Missing!!!
So what did the arrest Dr Vincent Tabak with and how on earth did they manage to keep him in prison for so long if they never had any direct evidence to connect him to the murder of Joanna Yeates in the first place???
https://twitter.com/bristol247/status/129929054739632129
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Professor Felicity Gerry QC
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@John_Cooper_QC Correction Tabak is new law as Jo Yeates disappeared on 17 December
Qualifying trigger?
Mental condition?
Public test of leg
12:37 PM - 6 May 2011
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9448.0;attach=13836;image)
Well what public test is this ??
What Does 17th December have to do with a new law and Dr Vincent Tabak??
Would it have made a difference if it was the 16th December 2010... as Dr Vincent Tabak was charged from this date????
Am I correct that this was a sham... A test for the public... A complete cock-up.... Did they use 2 different laws when prosecuting Dr Vincent Tabak.... I don't know ... but there are people who do... so spill the beans!!!!
https://twitter.com/felicitygerry/status/66466693051973633
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Some very interesting posts Nine.. Again but can you please refrain from adding attachments where images are already attached as this clogs up the database. TY
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Some very interesting posts Nine.. Again but can you please refrain from adding attachments where images are already attached as this clogs up the database. TY
Couple of my posts missing there John... My records show I made more posts on this subject than there are left on the topic.....
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#Tabak collected girlfriend Tanja. They parked at Clifton triangle and walked to Yo-Yos burger bar. They took the god home around 01:43
11:40 AM - 20 Oct 2011
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*Yo Yos burger bar.... More CCTV for us to view...
* They took the god home?? Maybe that was "Dog"???
Just looking at Yo Yo's on google street view... The road says Triangle S... anyway, when you look up the street you can see the University Building, which brought to mind the video of Dr Vincent Tabak's car driving past then I believe going towards Park Street...
But I have just thought.... we have NO idea of the time of this image/video of the car all we know is that it is on the 18th December 2010...
Looking outside Yo Yo's the road is a one way system..... It's just as possible that this video/image is of Dr Vincent Tabak following the one way system and nothing else... I first thought it was the image from when he picked up Tanja and apparently got lost... But it could be just as easily him following a one way system.... And turning right right and right again.... (imo)
* Yo Yo's right onto Triangle W
* Right on to Queens Road
* Right onto Park Street
So at what time was the footage of Dr Vincent Tabak in the car actually taken on 18th December 2010 ????
Seriously did no-one challenge anything??
https://twitter.com/BeebJournalist/status/126971027942150144
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Twitter fact file
The main force account, @ASPolice, was set up in March 2009.
We have about 50 Twitter accounts including the main @ASPolice handle as well as specialist accounts like @ASPoliceHorses, @ASPoliceDogs, @ASPCallCentre and @ASPOps_Training, as well as local accounts covering each neighbourhood policing area, and the @ASPoliceLIVE account for live-Tweeting events and breaking news.
There are also a number of officers Tweeting regularly, ranging from PCSOs to the Deputy Chief Constable Gareth Morgan (@DCCGarethMorgan).
The accounts on Twitter that no longer exist in connection with the trial/case... Did they belong to Avon and Somerset Police??
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/features/your-tweets-are-taking-criminals-off-the-streets/
What about Facebook accounts?? Did they have more of them too???
Is that why these accounts don't show anything in 2010???
Which twitter accounts did they have?? or do they have ??
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Finding coverage from @skynewsgatherer of #TabakTrial very interesting. Also keeping an eye on #dalefarm from @essexalliehb et. al.
12:48 PM - 19 Oct 2011
This tweet caught my attention the other day... maybe now I realise why.... @skynewsgather shows us an image of Harriet Tolputt.. Yet Harriet Tolputt is tweeting herself from the trial... so was @skynewsgather really Harriet Tolputts account or was it one of Avon and Somerset Polices accounts???
Why would Harriet Tolputt need 2 accounts to tweet the trial of Dr vincent Tabak???
The picture of @skynewsgather appears to be a generic picture of Harriet Tolputt as this article about her shows the same image..
Oxfam has announced the appointment of Harriet Tolputt, formerly a producer for Sky News, as head of media.
(http://media-assets-02.thedrum.com/cache/images/thedrum-prod/public-drum_basic_article-96925-main_images-Harriet-Tolputt--default--300.jpg)
Tweeting from one account at a trial must be hard enough... why would you tweet from 2 accounts ??
Did @newsfromhughes realise that @skynewsgather wasn't Harriet Tolputts Account?? Because I am begining to wonder if it was!!!
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9448.0;attach=13894;image)
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2012/10/09/oxfam-appoints-harriet-tolputt-head-media
https://twitter.com/newsfromhughes/status/126625876308799489
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This has been removed from the sky live updates...
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8060.0;attach=11768;image)
Why do they keep removing pages??
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death?Page=2
Is this account also a made up account... As Jim Old has his own twitter account which doesn't have 69 at the end of it....
Jim Old
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#Tabak found guilty of the murder of #JoannaYeates. He'll be sentenced shortly. More on @SkyNews.
3:18 PM - 28 Oct 2011
The other account..
4:49 PM - 28 Oct 2011Twitter
Jim Old
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#Joanna Yeates Police found that VT had researched extradition. Evidence he was planning to flee? No, says Cops
So are the tweets on the live updates actually from these people??? Because again I am begining to wonder!!!
Who made up these accounts????
How many of these accounts are made up????
From the live sky tweets update page..
10:18 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
juliareidsky
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Officer Martin Faithfull statement. He was shown the body and caught a glimpse of denim. He closed the road.
Yet this is her twitter page below...
Julia Reid
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Officer Martin Faithfull statement. He was shown the body and caught a glimpse of denim. He closed the road.
10:18 AM - 14 Oct 2011
Think she may have had a name change...
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
When you click on Julia Reids sky account on this live update... It takes you to this
https://twitter.com/account/suspended
It gets better
10:26 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
Isabel Webster
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#vincenttabak sitting with eyes covered and head in hands as pathologist, Andrew Mott gives evidence about recovering #joannayeates body
Andrew Mott is NOW a PATHOLOGIST!!!!
Oh yes and @skynewswebsters account is also suspended on twitter!!!
Who pretended to be these media people ????
Now I did wonder if @juliereidsky was just a name change.. but in December 2011
Julia Reid
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RT @cherry_pudding: @juliareidsky Please support us supporting UK Military this xmas & always Please RT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvQa3cX0Cc … thanks
But the @julieriedsky name isn't highlighted... why would she tweet to herself?? [/quote]
And this is where it gets weirder....
Harriet Tolputt
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For updates from #Tabak trial today follow @stallardsky and @juliareidsky. I am back next week.
11:41 AM - 13 Oct 2011
@stallardsky and @skystallard 2 different accounts..
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Team Sky l-r @skynewsgatherer @SkyNewsWebster @skymartinbrunt @skystallard @juliareidsky
9:56 AM - 28 Oct 2011
The @stallardsky account is active now but the other one has been suspended.... that has me wondering what Harriet Tolputt knew?? She apologises for getting the name wrong....
Then we have katie stallards tweet..
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Sky friends & colleagues tweeting from #VincentTabak trial today: @skynewsgatherer @juliareidsky @SkyFixer69 @skymartinbrunt @skynewswebster
9:56 AM - 28 Oct 2011
So who are "SKYS FRIENDS??? I take it that it is possibly the suspended accounts??
What on earth are these Twitter accounts actually about.... who are these people on these accounts??
I am at a loss..... I don't know what is going on anymore.....
Did the media get there tweets from the sky live update tweets... Or was it the other way round?? It doesn't make sense....
https://twitter.com/katiestallard/status/129843927145660416
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
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This is slightly off topic.... But are Avon and Somerset Police trying to forget Colin Port??
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Police: Chief Constable is guest of honour at Neighbourhood Watch meeting. (Frenchay): Colin Port, the Chief Const... http://bit.ly/bSR33b
2:14 PM - 20 Apr 2010
The tiny url lead to this link..
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=20112&t=1&lid=2 which of course no longer exists....
https://twitter.com/WickwarDotOrg/status/12515395618
Alex Thomas of channel 4 news tweeted...
alex thomson
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Colin Port is CC of Avon and Somserset and he says:"policing is too important to be left to the police alone"
6:58 PM - 5 Jan 2011
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/22728705398800384
The day after this was tweeted and also the link has been removed....
Avon&Somerset Police
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Top Police Award for Teenage Campaigners (Bristol): The Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset Police, Colin Port,... http://bit.ly/nv1ylJ
10:56 AM - 6 Jul 2011
the tiny url goes to this link and the page doesn't exist....
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=23720&t=4&lid=0&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/88546897291264000
So who did Colin Port have in mind to do his Policing for him?? on the 5th January 2011 ?? This was a quiet story at the time, didn't we have the missing sock making the headlines on that day... Maybe more stock should have been made about what Colin Port thought about Policing, especially as he was in the middle of a Murder Inquiry and had already got one suspect on bail....
I wonder what the Interview/ Police page stated at the time.... Is that why we get a civilian taking the stand as the Polices Forensic Officer in the guise of Andrew Mott... Showing us anyone can do a job whether they are qualified or not.... Is this the type of Policing Colin Port was aiming for??
Just a thought!!
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This i'll post twice... as a continuation of something on another topic....
SWNS.com
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#joyeates Tabak felt tired and "under the weather" the next day but was woken to move his car by Chris Jefferies.
11:28 AM - 11 Oct 2011
Now... CJ should have been at trial!!! He woke Dr Vincent Tabak, that was probably why Dr Vincent Tabak had noticed that CJ's car had moved.... So that has to be off the drive and CJ states at the Leveson that he left it on the road!!
https://twitter.com/SWNS/status/123706634030690304
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Bill Clegg QC asks if Joanna Yeates was killed elsewhere and taken to Longwood Lane. Nickson replies "yes".
10:46 AM - 18 Oct 2011
How Did Tanja Nickson know that Joanna Yeates had been killed elsewhere and then put on Longwood lane??
There must have been signs of lividity.. (imo)
Dr Delaney never confirms that Joanna Yeates had been moved as far as I am aware
No descriptions of lividity on the body have been reported and where on the body the lividity was..
Ordinarily witness's do not tend to stay or come back to listen to proceeding at a trial... (imo) And especially professional witness's such as Dr Cary... I would have thought that once their evidence had been given, then they would, be busy with their work...
Looking for Longwood Lane as usual... I got distracted and ended up on this post and wanted to findout about Dr Delaney... This next tweet is
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Dr Russell Delaney - who carried out first post-mortem - is here listening. Last week he said most of Jo's injuries happened BEFORE death.
2:28 PM - 21 Oct 2011
So did Dr Delaney sit through the rest of the trial??? And why??
on the 17th October 2011 according to the Telegraph.. Dr Delaney gave his evidence..
Mr Lickley asked pathologist Dr Russell Delaney about Tabak's statement that he held Miss Yeates's throat "for about 20 seconds".
Dr Delaney replied: "That period of time would be sufficient to cause the signs of venous obstruction and would be long enough to result in her death."
n his statement produced on 22 September 2011, Tabak said he had not intended to kill Miss Yeates or cause her serious harm.In the statement, which was read out by the prosecuting QC Nigel Lickley, the jury at Bristol Crown Court heard: “The mechanism of death as best the defendant can recall is as follows: The two were facing each other. He put one arm around her back with his hand in the middle of her back, she screamed.“He put the other hand on her mouth which caused the screaming to cease. He removed his hand from her mouth and the screaming continued.
He then put his hand around her throat – he believes it was the one that had behind her back – and held it there for about 20 seconds. He applied no more than moderate force.
"He did not intend death or serious injuries. The actions above killed Miss Yeates, the defendant accepts his actions were unlawful.”
Re-reading that statement... Who is Dr Vincent Tabak referring too? It sounds like he witnessed something...
Mr Lickley..
* The mechanism of death?...
Is that what is written on the statement or is that Mr Lickley description?
* He put his hand around her throat...
Who put her hands around her throat? Is Dr Vincent Tabak a witness?
* he believes it was the one that had behind her back – and held it there for about 20 seconds. He applied no more
than moderate force....
This sounds like he is recalling what he witnessed...
How would Dr Vincent Tabak an Computer/ Architectural Engineer know to described the amount of force used?? And the significance of the type of force? That goes with intent... He would have to know... Those are terms used by medical professional.... No a Dutchman who is NOT a medical Dr... Or what the Police may say and use when describing force... Or the Cps for instance...
I had found an article the other day about intent... Having problems locating it... so will use 2 examples..
examine public views on fairness and frequency that police use of force -
specifically the use of moderate and excessive force in different scenarios
and circumstances and views on the IPCC’s role in this context
During the trial, the Deputy State Pathologist said moderate force would have caused the three wounds to Ms Cawley’s head, which resulted in blood loss and asphyxia; her obesity and enlarged heart were contributory factors. He said she might not have died if medical help had been summoned more quickly.
Reasonableness of the punishment
The Court of Appeal in the case of R v H, The Times 17 May 2001 adopted the guidance set out in the case of A v UK and considered the factors to be taken into account where a defence of reasonable punishment is raised. Therefore, in such a case, limited to common assault by s58, the following factors will assist in determining whether the punishment in question was reasonable and moderate:
the nature and context of the defendant’s behaviour;
the duration of that behaviour;
the physical and mental consequences in respect of the child;
the age and personal characteristics of the child;
the reasons given by the defendant for administering the punishment.
So why would Dr Vincent Tabak know that the use of the words "Moderate Force" would be needed.... I mean does he know the law on Intent/Intention?? If moderate force were not the words used by Dr Vincent Tabak, then why is Mr Lickley telling us that this is what Dr Vincent Tabak says... He applied no more than moderate force.
What is written and described in Dr Vincent Tabak's statement that should have been read out to the jury?? How is Mr Lickely determining the "Moderate Force"? What actually words did Dr Vincent Tabak used to describe what had happened??
I question why the jury appear not to have heard the entire content of Dr Vincent Tabak's witness statement... It surely would have been reported upon...
And i don't understand why Dr Delaney would sit in the court 4 days later once he has given evidence... ? I find that very odd..!
Dr Russell Delaney - who carried out first post-mortem - is here listening.
Or should the question really be "Sat where listening"?? In the court or some other location??
https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/126232593854234624
https://twitter.com/jonkay01/status/127375599827300352
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8831372/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-to-stop-her-screams.html
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/research-learning/BMRB_use_of_force_report.pdf
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/jury-finds-state-failed-to-prove-intent-to-murder-1.1274391
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/offences-against-person-incorporating-charging-standard
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mechanism of death..Is that a term the prosecution would use? Or Dr Vincent Tabak...? It's an odd turn of phrase, and maybe it is the prosecution using the term.... Therefore what was actually written in the statement that he signed in September 2011, that must of had such detailed descriptions for Mr Lickley to describe in court the type of force used by Dr Vincent Tabak... When we have no idea what this statement says.... Or how many pages long it is...
The statement is not from a Police interview...
But 'Moderate Force ' sounds like the answer to a question... We have no transcripts in court or CCTV interviews at the Police station of Dr Vincent Tabak ever being questioned....
These interviews would go a long way to visibly showing us how un-cooperative Dr Vincent Tabak had been... He makes "No Comment" throughout the interviews apart from a question around a mobile phone, that DCI Phil Jones told us..
So does moderate force relate to the mobile phone??
This has my mind racing again....
Apply the term "Moderate Force" to the only topic Dr Vincent Tabak had answered any question on.... The mobile phone
What questions could be applied for Moderate Force to be an answer? And in which context?
* Did you try to take the mobile phone from Miss Yeates?
* Did you grab it from her hand....
* What force was used to obtain this phone?
You see it doesn't really work... But it made me think of a different scenario... and maybe applying moderate force and DCI Phil Jones telling us that the mobile phone was the only subject, that Dr Vincent Tabak spoke of and said no comment to anything else... Has me trying to imagine why The Mobile phone is important...
I suggested that maybe Dr Vincent Tabak had found this mobile phone and had pranked it..... But maybe not....
Was Joanna Yeates mobile phone planted in her pocket?? Many girls might put it in their jeans pocket or handbag, or carry it in their hand, If Joanna Yeates had been carrying her phone and we know she had because she talks to her friend Rebecca Scott.. Then did Joanna Yeates still have her mobile phone in her hand??
We are all attached to our phones ... we rarely put them down... Even when we are talking to people we are checking our phones... For updates on facebook and twitter for instance... We have been told Joanna yeates did not alway reply to a text in a timely manner... And it is possible that maybe she was always busy on facebook etc... she didn't want to be alone and was looking for company we have been told... So did she chat on Facebook on her way home or at home??
The point I am coming to is why the importance of the mobile phone?? And can ascertain 2 possibilities that it was still clutched in her hand when she was killedor when she was alive... And it had been removed... And the force required to remove this mobile phone from Joanna Yeates hand was moderate, which would go with the timings that DCI Phil Jones talks of... Because I am sure that would indicate how long Joanna Yeates had been dead before the phone was removed as rigamortis would start to set in after a certain amount of time....
Or that when the attack happened someone tried to grab the mobile phone out of Joanna Yeates hand and the force used to get it from her would be moderate.... maybe it was the phone that caused the injuries to her chin and fractured her nose??
But either way we need to know what the question was about a mobile phone that was put to Dr Vincent Tabak...
For instance..
* If I asked you to pull this mobile phone from my hand...(demonstrating a firm grip) how much force do you reckon it would take?
(A) Minimal ?
(B) Moderate ?
(C) Excessive?
Therefore the answer would be more than likely moderate, defending on how tight the grip on this phone was... Giving us the answer"Moderate Force"
But what if the questions were in relation to the phone and Joanna Yeates?? Then my assumption would be she had to have had it removed her hand... (imo) Meaning it had been removed after her death.. going with the timings the Police had.. Or that it was removed in a struggle, and it was the phone which had caused the injuries to her face..(imo)
Otherwise what relevance is the mobile phone when questioning Dr Vincent Tabak??
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Cross examination of Dr Russell Delaney continues. Tells William Clegg, QC, he has previous experience of at least 1 case of strangulation.
10:41 AM - 17 Oct 2011
If Dr Delaney has had only 1 previous Case of strangulation, why didn't Clegg cross examine him more vigorously?
An Idea opportunity to cast doubt on someone abilities...
If Dr Delaney's expertise can be questioned do we refer back to the Sally Ramage document and view it in a different light...
From Sally Ramage..
It was, in the words of Dr Delaney, expert prosecution pathologist witness, that death had
occurred in less than half a minute; less than 20 seconds, less than 10 seconds even.
A very important piece of evidence is that what Tabak wrote in his statement is nearly the
same and corroborated the undisputed pathologist expert witnesses.
This quote is from Clegg's opening statement...... The wording could imply that these words were on a document also, but not Dr Vincent Tabak's statement, but what Dr Delaney provided to the Police/cps..
If I am understanding this correctly... It was Dr Delaney who first said that death could take as little as 10/20 seconds... but I do not believe that was in court before opening statements.. Therefore the information had to be obtained from another source and the only other source who be a report that Dr Delaney made prior to trial.... (imo)
These timings are important... Did Dr Delaney talk or correspond with someone on the length of time it was possible for someone to die from strangulation? Wouldn't it be in the form of a range of possible times rather than a specific time... It therefore seems strange that Clegg didn't challenge Dr Delaney and question him on how he came to such a conclusion..
I have that 10/20 expanse of time stuck in my head thinking and wondering if it is really possible to kill someone so quickly.. I had alway imagined someone would struggle making the event take longer..
But like "Moderate Force" what question had been posed to Dr Delaney prior to coming to the conclusion of 10/20 seconds?? The answer Dr Delaney appears to have given, seems to come from a direct question, rather than a Forensic report which I would imagine would give us a range of times in which it may take to cause death by strangulation...
Therefore my question has to be.... Was the information on which the prosecution and the defence appear to have relied upon at trial, from the autopsy report that was preformed by Dr Delaney or had he also made a statement of sorts??
It's a question to pose...
https://twitter.com/HarrietTolputt/status/125869092367380480
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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Dr Russell Delaney shown images of scene. He says jo's upper body and head were not visible but saw 'something that appeared to be a sock'
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I was under the impression Dr Delaney had been on the stand only on one day... The description given contradicts the Daniel Birch's statement of what he saw, the reports in the paper are very different.
Mr Birch said he had seen a lump in the snow piled up on the verge of Longwood Lane and noticed a piece of denim poking through.
Miss Yeates had been missing for eight days when her body was found.
Describing the events, Mr Birch said: “I saw a lump in the snow on the left hand verge and I thought I saw what appeared to be a denim jeans pocket .
“I did not think about it straight away and carried on walking. After about 10 paces my mind was saying, ‘that was a body’, to me.“I handed the dog to my wife Rebecca, I remember saying to Rebecca, ‘that was a body back there’, and walked back to the lump in the snow.
“I could see the form of a human body covered in snow. It was lying on its side, facing the wall, parallel to the road.”
He added: “Although the body was almost covered in snow there was a small section with not covered. I could see what appeared to be a rear jeans pocket.
“Although also riding up above this the top edge of what appeared to be white coloured knickers and that made me think it was a female.”
There is a clear discrepancy there... The witness who's hasn't appeared in person in court to tell the jury what he witnessed, has his statement entered into evidence.
We know Dr Delaney turned up at Longwood lane some hours after they found Joanna Yeates... If after all that time
Dr Delaney can only see a possible sock visible, then how did the man who found her see more... How was he able to identify a body... Her head and body are covered.... Does that mean covered in snow? Covered by what ??
Was she buried? what was Andrew Mott trying to to stop from thawing on the body?? What was visible on the lower section of Joanna yeates body... Was Joanna Yeates jeans removed and what about the knickers that Daniel birch apparently sees... Are they seperate is Joanna Yeates wearing them...
I believe as Dr Delaney is the man whom examined Joanna Yeates and appeared in court, his description would more than likely be the evidence on balance to side with as he performed the autopsy and we are aware he attended the scene...
So who is Daniel Birch?? Who is this man that was allowed to have his statement read out in court and no-one could check to see if he had been mistaken...
From the reports we have PC Martin Faithful's statement, that back's up Daniel Birch\s witness statement... But he didn't attend court either as far as I am aware...
* Who actually found Joanna Yeates??
* What was clearly visible when she was located
* Why didn't PC Martin Faithful appear in court
* Was Joanna Yeates fully clothed
* Other than the sock what other articles of clothing were removed??
* Was Joanna Yeates body actually covered in snow??
* Was Joanna Yeates found in the water at the quarry
I have another question now... Dr Delaney arrives at the scene and does an initial examination around 6:00pm He finds Joanna Yeates obviously still covered her upper body and head. If Tanja Nixon finds blood on the wall, at what time did she discover this?? Was the blood on the wall not documented before Dr Delaney sees Joanna Yeates.. How did Tanja Nixon determine that the blood on the wall had come from Joanna Yeates nose?
Dr Delaney does not describe Joanna Yeates upper body or head covered in snow... Only that they were covered..
If Daniel Birch's statement tells us that Joanna Yeates jeans and knickers were visible, does that infer that someone covered her body in snow or that her jeans were not on...??
Dr Delaney's omission may suggest that Joanna Yeates lower body was visible.... Or is it more in keeping with the idea that she was somewhere other than the grass verge..
What was her upper body covered in... "A bicycle cover??
That information needs to come from somewhere.... What was the exact location of Joanna Yeates body... had it been retrieved from a different location and then place on the grass verge, for Dr Delaney to make his initial examination??
Therefore making it difficult to understand the birch's statement...
What images is Dr Delaney viewing?? The Grass Verge on Longwood Lane?? Or the quarry and water on the other sides? How many images was he shown?? Did they have exhibit numbers to these images?? Was Joanna yeates buried under something??
https://twitter.com/CordeliaSkyNews/status/124796676790693888
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html
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The parents of 25 year old Joanna Yeates who's been missing since Friday have made an emotional appeal for her safe return.
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Yet we are told the first appeal was on the 22nd December 2010... How else could ITV West Country news know about the appeal?? Unless they too have a crystal ball...
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No signs of any forced entry at home address- home subject to thorough forensic examination (which is normal) #JoannaYeates #helpfindjo
3:06 PM - 24 Dec 2010
It's the 24th December 2010... we have a Missing Person... Why is MWT talking about no forced entry at this point??
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RT @AlfieConn: Y r Sky News running a strap saying Jo Yeates Landlord saw her on night she disappeared,over an int where he says he didn't?
6:32 PM - 29 Dec 2010
Then I found this article...
In The media Mark Williams-Thomas has covered, and been an advisor in, nearly all high-profile crime cases over the last 3 years. These have included the death of Baby P and the Plymouth Nursery Paeodphile Investigation, the murder of Joanna Yeates, The Cross Bow Killer Stephen Griffiths, the Ipswich Serial Killer. Steve Wright and Cumbrian Spree Killer Derek Bird. As well as the disappearance of Madeline McCann, Shannon Mathews and Jaycee Duggard (US)
Now I do not really know very much about MWT to be honest, apart from he's an EX Police Officer and he does Investigative programs..
But my surprise is the mention of Joanna Yeates in this article... He if I remember correctly did a couple of on camera Interviews at Canygne Road and Longwood Lane.. But other than that he has done very little...
I couldn't remember who first mentioned No Forced entry... And I would assume he has connections with the Police and they gave him the information... He mentions this on the 24th December 2010... Someone else could have said this I do not know... But... This is where my brain started doing back-flips...
He talks of straps.... And i have said before that I believe everything that came to trial had been mentioned on social media before... maybe not in the same context, but the wording is there.... (coincidence)
I do not know what other Interviews that MTW did on this subject... ITV were banned from conferences etc...
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U can follow the criminologist in last nights 'controversial' ITV News #Yeates VT (http://tiny.cc/kr8m9 5.30 in) on twitter @mwilliamsthomas
12:29 PM - 5 Jan 2011
Never saw this piece, he did, but this was when ITV were banned if I remember correctly.... This was my light-on moment came from....
ITV, may have been banned... But who was actually banned?? Was it MWT that they didn't want at conferences anymore or reporting on this Investigation??
He is on Canygne Road on the 24th December 2010 then we see him again on Canygne Road on the 4th January 2011 and also he does a piece on Longwood Lane..
You see I talked myself out of the idea when he had already done a piece on the 24th December 2010 and questioned the Polices Investigation... But then I remember that they changed SIO on the 27th December 2010 to DCI Phil Jones.
And I believe he states he kept a tight ship.... So did DCI Phil Jones not want MTW reporting on this case anymore??
(MTW didn't report about the straps he did a re-tweet)... (He wasn't reporting was he.. he was re-tweeting..And tweeting isn't really reporting is it..... )
I cannot find any other Interviews he does whilst the Investigation was taking place, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any...
I have searched and searched twitter and he rarely reports on the case...... I'll post more on his tweets or lack of them...
What amazes me about MTW is this case.... he must be aware the Police thought that there were killers... He must be aware that another profile was found on Joanna Yeates, he must be aware of the trainers found under the sink unit that DCI Phil Jones told the Leveson, now even if he is happy that Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison for 20 years.. As an Investigative criminologist and Ex Police Officer, I would have thought he would have questioned the Case that is Dr Vincent Tabak, and looked for an accomplice..
I would have thought he would have Investigated the Case full stop... seeing as he is so experienced, he must be aware that NONE of it makes sense...
He tells us in the interviews how incompetent he believes A&S Police are being, so if he is that clued up, why is he not all over this case like a rash??
I don't get it personally... Yet again we have someone in an excellent position to explain this case and he doesn't...
There are not many people like MTW who have experience in the force as well as being a know figure on TV... What really surprises me about this and the talk of an accomplice... I would have thought it would have been right up MTW street to be honest... The idea that there is another person who could be involved in the Murder of Joanna Yeates who has connections to Dr Vincent Tabak who had been to court on child abuse images..
This being what he is an expert in... this is why I do not understand why he doesn't touch this case... I had imagined he would have tried to contact anyone who may have a connection to Dr Vincent Tabak, in the vain hope he may find an accomplice.....
So now I come around in a full circle again.... If the case is not real and Dr Vincent Tabak is not real, then of course he cannot find anyone connected to him...
Then I would ask the same question.... why as a person in his position, does he not then expose the Case that is Dr Vincent Tabak?? He's know for the exposure of Jimmy Saville... so why not this case.... My God if I was in his position I'd be on it quick sharp... A Case where he could really make a name for himself... It should shake all the cherries from the tree... It would be explosive...
But again I am chasing a ghost... If not...
MTW come on... lets see you do this as one of your programs and show the world what really happened to Dr Vincent Tabak and how he was shafted by the system... Because there was NO evidence at trial to connect him to this murder..... Now that should spark your curiosity.. And expertise...
As I say... I do not really know anything about MTW.. I do not really watch TV..
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https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/20185517165383680
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RT @BabyPFund4NSPCC: Disgusted but not surprised by the vile armchair theorists & griefers on Facebook & twitter #yeates
6:27 PM - 28 Dec 2010
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/19821801320218624
Griefers.... I had to look that one up never heard of it....
"Definition" Actively causing distress to other players in an online game..
From this post we can tell he never had never spoken to The Yeates..... because Mrs Yeates goes on to say...
They added: “Nearly the whole country has been moved by the tragic events surrounding Jo's murder. Many of us are 'armchair detectives', but if this activity triggers anything please come forward.”
The Yeates obviously didn't mind Armchair Detectives or Facebook, because of the page that was set up by Jaquie Yeates...
So griefers is an odd term to use, (imo).. People didn't see this as a game, Of course everyone has an opinion on what may or may not have occurred..
In a heartfelt statement the couple from Ampfield, Hants, said: “We spend much of our time – as I imagine most of the country does – thinking of scenarios which took Jo, alive in her flat, to being found dead by the side of a country lane. These scenarios change as events unfold, and new facts are made available”
So The Yeates were theorising ... along with most of the country who couldn't understand how Joanna Yeates Flat had no signs of forced entry...
Why is MTW getting on his high horse about people trying to do what they could in this case.... He must have read every facebook post and tweet to even have an opinion on the subject....
And seeing as there were thousands of members on the Missing group on facebook , he must have been very busy... Put that together with the other groups and The facebook Forum I was an original member of, and add twitter to that... He was a very busy boy....
Either that or he read the odd tweet and facebook comment and formed an opinion on that basis... I would have thought he would have offered The Yeates his services as he had already formed the opinion that A&S Police were not handling it correctly..
I don't understand him to be honest.. Why was he not supporting the finding of the killer, instead of wasting time posting tweets that have no basis, which will not help the Police in finding Joanna Yeates killer... I would have expected more from him...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8265099/Joanna-Yeatess-parents-urge-the-public-to-help-catch-daughters-killer.html
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What's Happened to the Landlord? & Why didn't police arrest Mr. Tabak earlier? Sky Crime Correspondent blog #joyeates http://bit.ly/gE8ijh
9:20 PM - 23 Jan 2011
Now this must be one of the most ridiculous tweets ever... (imo)
Dr Vincent Tabak, had been away in Cambridge for Christmas, then he went to Holland... There was nothing that showed that Dr Vincent Tabak could be even a suspect,... At this time no-one knew when Joanna yeates died, and we still do not know...
At this point no-one knew when Joanna Yeates had been put on Longwood Lane.... And we still don't... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't know Joanna yeates.... Dr Vincent Tabak had never meet Joanna yeates... Dr Vincent Tabak had been away in America for 6 weeks working, so had no time to meet his new neighbours..
Why on earth would MTW say that... why would the Police arrest Dr Vincent Tabak earlier?? There was no reason..
No-one knew about the trip to Holland and the taking of Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA on the 31st December 2010..
So why would he think they needed to arrest a man earlier when there was no evidence connecting him to Joanna yeates... And there is still no evidence connecting him to Joanna Yeates..
For a man who's been a Detective, his powers of deduction appear to have failed... Nothing was known about Dr Vincent Tabak as early as 23rd January 2011..
Just because someone was charged.... didn't mean they had the evidence to move forward...
I'm quite surprised by this tweet...
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Will be interesting to see if the Prosecution in due course accept Vincent Tabak plea to Manslaughter & have no trial #yeates
10:29 AM - 5 May 2011
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RT @rupertevelyn: DCI Phil Jones 'Tabak has entered a plea to manslaughter however this has not been accepted by the crown' #yeates
12:20 PM - 5 May 2011
Well, you were wrong there... A trial did take place, as we know all to well...
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/66072104713453568
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/66099873744814080
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he wasnt wrong though was he? He said if they accept his plea of manslaughter...and if they had then the trial wouldnt have gone ahead!
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he wasnt wrong though was he? He said if they accept his plea of manslaughter...and if they had then the trial wouldnt have gone ahead!
My my.... Your a blast from the past... Made me chuckle seeing your reply..
It's not so much what he said as when it was said... I keep saying Jixy that this case is made up from social media...
I find the man odd to be fair... I know nothing of him and he's built a reputation up from his appearances on TV... The little ITV clips of him only came to my attention because , in a way they are after the fact... Because I found them when I started writing on here... And he was by this time all over the media..
I assumed he would be interested in this case.... But NO..!!
Question being, why did he even suggest that they might not accept the Manslaughter Plea??
This is what I do not understand... we should not have know that information before a trial had taken place..(imo) And of course we all knew about the Manslaughter Plea up until trial and all the way through trial...
Do you know Mark Williams Thomas Jixy... Is that what made you respond...
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MWT has a verified account, but the person whom I have also quoted doesn't, I do not know if this has always been their name on twitter, but this is what they are called now.....
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On Thursday at The Old Bailey, Vincent Tabak charged with the murder of Joanna Yeates will declare if he is innocent or guilty of the charge
4:20 PM - 3 May 2011
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Sitting outside The Old Bailey in London waiting until Court 2 opens to hear how Vincent Tabak is going to plea in Joanna Yeates case.
8:27 AM - 5 May 2011
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RT @rupertevelyn: Old Bailey list 4 tomorrow Ct 2 plea hearing for Vincent Tabak accused of killing Jo #yeates - http://tinyurl.com/3fb6fv9
9:22 PM - 4 May 2011
The reason for the post, is I do not know how a random person knows on the 3rd May 2011, that Dr Vincent Tabak is going to be at The Old bailey on the 5th may 2011... as far as I was aware most people were surprised by the sudden change of venue...
I know on leonora's blog that he had covered the Old bailey, and he may also be surprised at this information,
The original venue and date, Bristol Crown court on 4th May 2011, was changed at short notice, but the change was notified to the press, so anyone else who wished to be in court missed this hearing. Joanna Yeates’s parents, however, had been tipped off, and had travelled to London to be in court for the occasion. None of the defendant’s family or friends was in court.
Leornora, has extensively researched this case over many years.....
So how did some random person have the information on the 3rd May 2011 that the venue had been changed? It was only because MWT had tweeted on the 4th may 2011 that I could see that some in the media had known before hand.....
I just don't know when MTW started his career with the media.... Or did he just offer his advice to ITV at that time? He did a couple of pieces to camera about the case at the time... But I am not sure if he was classed as media back then....
But if he was, then his tweet of the 4th May 2011 confirms that the media were told by the 4th May 2011 that there had been a change of venue....
But the randomer?? How did they know?? A full day before anyone else appeared to know??
Did The Yeates hear about The Change of venue from The Police, or did they find out via twitter?? Seeing the tweet opens up all sorts of possibilities..
This person followed the case to a degree... They tweeted about Dr Vincent Tabak and him attending court, they have not tweeted about Joanna Yeates being Missing as far as I can see now... They apparently attended Bristol Magistrates court on the 24th January 2011... An apparent packed venue.... I hadn't heard of anyone other than the media before being at this venue ,so it came as a surprise to me.... And whilst searching twitter, this is their first tweet about the case, as far as I can see.....
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Vincent Tabak will apply for bail tomorrow in connection with the Joanna Yeates murder. Made it into Court 1 @ Bristol today by 3 seats.
10:09 AM - 24 Jan 2011
So who are they.... and how did they manage to get the information about a change of venue, before anyone else appeared to know???? And how did they know that Dr Vincent Tabak would appear at Bristol Magistrates Court first thing on Monday 24th January 2011....
Dr Vincent Tabak's appearances at court appear to be this persons only interest in the case.....
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I am delighted he has been found guilty of the murder of Joanna Yeates. The skill of his deception lead the jury to take nearly 2.5 days....
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On Thursday at The Old Bailey, Vincent Tabak charged with the murder of Joanna Yeates will declare if he is innocent or guilty of the charge
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Vincent Tabak has plead GUILTY to the manslaughter of Joanna Yeates but INNOCENT of her murder!!!Trial will start in Bristol on 4th October
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Vincent Tabak charged with the murder of Joanna Yeates & his plea & direction hearing is scheduled for 29th April - the trial will b later.
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The job of the CPS is to now prove that Vincent Tabak is guilty of Joanna Yeates murder.
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Vincent Tabak will apply for bail tomorrow in connection with the Joanna Yeates murder. Made it into Court 1 @ Bristol today by 3 seats.
So are they connected to the Police?? The CPS?? The Media???
How did they end up with this information????
Edit..... I would attach images of these tweets but the site won't let me attach any.... don't understand why...
https://twitter.com/lizardpeninsula/status/65435606695690240
https://twitter.com/lizardpeninsula/status/66041424830939136
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/65873924977737729
http://vincent-tabak-is-innocent.blogspot.com/2012/01/preliminary-hearings.html
https://twitter.com/lizardpeninsula/status/29480838034882560
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I have found another interesting tweet by the random person, which peeked my interest:
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Vincent Tabak charged with the murder of Joanna Yeates & his plea & direction hearing is scheduled for 29th April - the trial will b later.
1:09 PM - 24 Jan 2011
Now I had to look up about a Plea and Direction hearing, of course not knowing law i had never heard of it.... The only article i could find on the subject was this....
LAW REPORT: New rules on Crown Court pre-trial hearings
LAW REPORT 18 September 1995
Practice Direction: Crown Court Plea and Direction Hearings; Lord Taylor of Gosforth, Lord Chief Justice; 25 July 1995
New rules establishing plea and directions hearings (PDHs) in the Crown Court now apply to all cases (other than serious fraud) in Crown Court centres which have notified magistrates' courts that such hearings have been introduced. At the PDH, pleas are taken and, in contested cases, prosecution and defence must assist the judge by identifying the key issues and providing any additional information required for the proper listing of the case.
Lord Taylor CJ said detailed operation of the rules, which replace those issued on 25 October 1994, will be a matter for the judiciary at each Crown Court centre. The main provisions are as follows.
In every case, other than serious fraud cases in which a notice of transfer to the Crown Court is given under s 4 of the Criminal Justice Act 1987, and child-abuse cases transferred under s 53 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991, the magistrates' court should commit the defendant to appear in the Crown Court on a specified date, fixed in liaison with the Crown Court listing officer, for an initial PDH.
The purpose of the PDH will be to ensure that all necessary steps have been taken in preparation for trial and to provide sufficient information for a trial date to be arranged. Where practicable, the advocate briefed in the trial will normally be expected to appear at the PDH.
At least 14 days' notice of the PDH shall be given unless the parties agree to shorter notice. The PDH should be within six weeks of committal in cases where the defendant is on bail, and four weeks where the defendant is in custody.
Where the defendant intends to plead guilty to all or part of the indictment, the defence must notify the probation service, the prosecution and the court, as soon as this is known.
The defence must supply the court and the prosecution with a full list of the prosecution witnesses they require to attend at the trial. This must be provided at least 14 days prior to the PDH or within three working days of the notice of the hearing where the PDH is fixed less than 17 days ahead.
For all class 1 offences, and for lengthy and complex cases, a case summary should be prepared by the prosecution, to assist the judge at the PDH by indicating the nature of the case and focusing on the likely issues of fact and/or law. All class 2 cases should be scrutinised by the prosecution to determine whether such a summary is appropriate.
The PDH should normally be held, and orders made, in open court with all defendants present. It should normally be conducted by the trial judge or such judge as the presiding judge or resident judge shall appoint, but in cases in class 1 or 2 or serious sexual offences of any class against a child it should be conducted by a High Court judge or circuit judge or recorder to whom the case has been specifically released in accordance with the directions for the allocation of business within the Crown Court (see [1995] 2 All ER 900, [1995] 1 WLR 1083) or by a directions judge authorised by the presiding judges to conduct such hearings.
At the PDH, arraignments will normally take place. If the defendant pleads guilty, the judge should wherever possible proceed to sentencing.
Following a not guilty plea, and where part or alternative pleas have not been accepted, the prosecution and defence should inform the court of various matters (fully listed in the rules), including the issues in the case, issues as to the mental or medical condition of any defendant or witness, details about the witnesses and the evidence in the case, any facts which are to be admitted and may be reduced into writing, any alibi, any likely application for child witness evidence to be given by live television link or prerecorded video, or for screens to protect the identity of witnesses, any technical equipment likely to be required, the estimated length of the hearing and anything else that might affect the trial.
The judge may then make such orders as appear to be necessary. Each party shall confirm in writing, at least 14 days before the trial, that such orders have been fully complied with.
The defence shall apply to the court for the case to be listed for mention if they are unable to obtain instructions from the defendant. If the defendant fails to attend court, the judge will wish to consider whether a warrant of arrest should be issued.
The rules came into force immediately.
Does this explain what happened with this case? I don't even know if this still applies, but I find it interesting our random person has tweeted this....... They must have some connection to law.....
Following a not guilty plea, and where part or alternative pleas have not been accepted, the prosecution and defence should inform the court of various matters (fully listed in the rules), including the issues in the case, issues as to the mental or medical condition of any defendant or witness, details about the witnesses and the evidence in the case, any facts which are to be admitted and may be reduced into writing, any alibi, any likely application for child witness evidence to be given by live television link or prerecorded video, or for screens to protect the identity of witnesses, any technical equipment likely to be required, the estimated length of the hearing and anything else that might affect the trial.
This made me think about The prosecution not accepting Dr Vincent Tabaks Plea in May 2011..... So what other charges was he facing at the time??
Is the fact that a "plea and direction hearing" was mentioned important? Does that got to the fact that the child images were all ready being used as part of the case?
Going back to one of my posts....
Clio said:
05-04-2011 11:17 AM
Courtserve listing for the Old Bailey for tomorrow (5th May) states
Court 2 - sitting at 10:00 am
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE FIELD
For Mention (Defendant to Attend)
U20110387 Vincent TABAK
Via PVL - Bristol Crown Court Case - T20117031
Wonder why it says "For Mention" rather than "Plea and Case Management"...
http://www.courtserve2.net/courtlist...T110505.01.htm
The defence shall apply to the court for the case to be listed for mention if they are unable to obtain instructions from the defendant. If the defendant fails to attend court, the judge will wish to consider whether a warrant of arrest should be issued.
So did the defence attend a Plea and direction hearing on the 29th April 2011??
Did the defence then apply for the "For Mention"??? It says the defendant is to attend.... But we know that came via video from Long Lartin.... We don't know if it was definitively Dr Vincent Tabak.... That has been questioned before by some...
The defence shall apply to the court for the case to be listed for mention if they are unable to obtain instructions from the defendant. If the defendant fails to attend court, the judge will wish to consider whether a warrant of arrest should be issued.
Therefore, the defence could not have received any instructions from their client Dr Vincent Tabak, if my understanding of why The Defence applies for a 'For mention" hearing...
And if they had not instructions from their client.... why on earth would Dr Vincent Tabak plead guilty to "Manslaughter"???
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg444165#msg444165
https://twitter.com/lizardpeninsula/status/29526170806521856
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/law-report-new-rules-on-crown-court-pre-trial-hearings-1601692.html