Is this another example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler?

[Angelo222]

I wonder why it was felt necessary  to video the dog searches

So the investigation team could review it naturally.

[Erngath]

I've always found it strange that what could be evidence in any forthcoming criminal charges could be available for public viewing.

[jassi]

I've always found it strange that what could be evidence in any forthcoming criminal charges could be available for public viewing.

I suppose it's because any trial would take place before professional judges, rather than amateur jurists.
Maybe it's also a recognition that any trial wouldn't be based solely on any evidence so far revealed.

[Mr Gray]

So the investigation team could review it naturally.

What do they need to review.... It would have been far more beneficial  to have recorded  the statements of the McCann's and tapas.... The video... IMO... Was made to use as a promotional film for Grimes new business.... As it was

[Mr Gray]

I suppose it's because any trial would take place before professional judges, rather than amateur jurists.
Maybe it's also a recognition that any trial wouldn't be based solely on any evidence so far revealed.

Yes of course.... The latest sceptic conspiracy.... It seems it's become a proven fact that there is compelling hidden evidence we know nothing about... Sounds a bit barmy to me

[Sunny]

What do they need to review.... It would have been far more beneficial  to have recorded  the statements of the McCann's and tapas.... The video... IMO... Was made to use as a promotional film for Grimes new business.... As it was

So you are saying that the video was made as a promotional tool for Martin Grime's business Davel. Do you have a cite for that?  I see the IMO but the "....As it was" contradicts your IMO, in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

So you are saying that the video was made as a promotional tool for Martin Grime's business Davel. Do you have a cite for that?  I see the IMO but the "....As it was" contradicts your IMO, in my opinion.

Grime used it as a promotional video to tout his services for the Jersey case
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7855.75

[Mr Gray]

Grime made a presentation, showing him [Harper] a video of the dog finding the "scent of death" in Kate and Gerry McCann's car,' the detective said.



Eddie the sniffer dog - the animal that had supposedly found the 'scent of death' in the Portuguese flat where Madeleine McCann disappeared - no longer had a licence for UK police forensic work when Harper started using him in Jersey. Eddie, whose owner, Martin Grime, was paid £93,600 for less than five months' work, triggered the first excavations by barking at a spot where Harper's team then unearthed what was claimed to be part of a child's skull. In fact, as a Kew Gardens expert has now confirmed, it was a piece of coconut shell.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

[misty]

Grime used it as a promotional video to tout his services for the Jersey case
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7855.75

There was no need for him to do so if full training records were available & the NPIA could access police videos of his dogs in action in previous UK cases. IMO.

[Mr Gray]

There was no need for him to do so if full training records were available & the NPIA could access police videos of his dogs in action in previous UK cases. IMO.

Grime did it so he must have felt it was necessary..... Using videos in this manner to promote  a business suggests a conflict of interests  imo

[misty]

Grime did it so he must have felt it was necessary..... Using videos in this manner to promote  a business suggests a conflict of interests  imo

I find it strange that Grime apparently wanted copyright of any data pertaining to the dogs in Jersey to become the property of the (very recently deceased) CC of GMP.

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf

Page 38 snipped

It was not until 25 March 2008, thirty seven days into his
deployment, that a draft written contract was sent via e-mail by Mr
Grime to FSM Coupland. This document (i) omitted the dates of
agreed deployment; (ii) stated that remuneration for the first five
days of the deployment would be £750 per day and £600 per day
thereafter – although a subsequent clause stated that non-UK
mainland daily rates would be negotiated separately; (iii) stated
that the copyright of ‘all data and information provided’ would rest
with the ‘Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police’ (sic); and
(iv) was never signed either by Mr Grime or by a representative of
the States of Jersey Police.
ƒ It is worth stating at this point that the NPIA ‘Practice Advice on
the Management of Expert Advisers’ already referred to,
recommends in Section 3 (headed ‘Your Responsibilities’) that
expert advisors are provided with terms of reference and a contract
before work begins (our emphasis).
ƒ

[Robittybob1]

I think the PJ suspected they would rub the McCanns noses in the video of the cadaver dogs barking in their apartment.

[misty]

Grime said 'strong scenting'. It's not just where the dog's nose is that matters, it's when he's using it. The handler watches and listens, because a dog which is scenting strongly can be heard sniffing.


what I saw was that approximately in the centre of the wall where the window is, just along the tile area between the tiles and the wall, he's been scenting there a lot stronger than he has anywhere else and the when he's gone out there the second time he has decided yes that's what I'm looking for and that's when he has given me the bark indication.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

The second time Eddie went behind the sofa he bypassed the centre of the wall completely without making any sniffing noises.

[Robittybob1]

The second time Eddie went behind the sofa he bypassed the centre of the wall completely without making any sniffing noises.

Eddie is not a machine, he is a conscious being having to make an important decision.  To bark or not to bark that is the question.

[misty]

Eddie is not a machine, he is a conscious being having to make an important decision.  To bark or not to bark that is the question.

It's equally important for the handler to be sure exactly what the dog is alerting to. Who'd want to be stopped at the airport by a narcotics dog handler whose canine barked somewhere near them when they were standing in a queue of people?