Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 03:33:14 PM
Title: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 03:33:14 PM
There is an update on Operation Grange - manpower reduced to 4 detectives
Update on the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann News • Oct 28, 2015 14:49 GMT  The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The investigation into what happened to Madeleine continues but with a smaller team of officers. Officers investigating her disappearance have completed the huge task of bringing together and investigating the massive amount of information held by colleagues in Portugal, the United Kingdom investigation and the private investigators working on behalf of the McCann family. They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team. Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011. Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues. While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies. Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry. Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012. The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met. Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world. The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses. For an investigation of this size, the extraordinary circumstances of investigating a missing child four years later in another country, the vast wealth of information and theories, it was always going to be an immense task and required a full team of 29 staff working on it. With the significant amount of work approaching completion, as with all investigations the MPS has reviewed the staff required to progress the remaining work. A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office. The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued. The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity. Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world. "This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her. "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. "The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police. "The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest. We were happy to bring our expertise to bear only on the basis that it would not detract from the policing of London; and the Home Office have additionally funded the investigation above normal grants to the Met. That will continue at the reduced level. "I have overseen this investigation since 2012 and am very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of Inquiry. " Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann. Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt. "We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007. "Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced. "We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation. "Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry. " The remaining Operation Grange officers will be deployed to other enquiries within Specialist Crime and Operations.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 03:44:44 PM
Interesting. Would expect to hear something within the next 6 months. Also interesting that they refer to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann rather then explicitly abduction. Before everyone thinks I'm thinking of the parents - I'm not. There are other theories like woke and wandered that would also fit a disappearance.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 04:04:08 PM
Interesting. Would expect to hear something within the next 6 months. Also interesting that they refer to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann rather then explicitly abduction. Before everyone thinks I'm thinking of the parents - I'm not. There are other theories like woke and wandered that would also fit a disappearance.
Perhaps they haven't uncovered any tangible evidence to support that theory.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
Perhaps they haven't uncovered any tangible evidence to support that theory.
You can't find what doesn't exist. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 28, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
Just plucking a few points out: 1.While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. 2.Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world. 3.The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued. 4. "This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her. 5. "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. 6. "The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry.
It makes yer wonder don't it?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 04:37:12 PM
Out of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine, not one confirmed.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2015, 05:06:33 PM
Just plucking a few points out: 1.While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. 2.Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world. 3.The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued. 4. "This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her. 5. "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. 6. "The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry.
It makes yer wonder don't it?
What does it make yer wonder, specifically?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 28, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
You knew previously that there were 8685 sightings? How clever of you.
I'm sure Eleanor will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what she meant was that there hadn't been one confirmed sighting - but then I'm sure you knew that's what she meant really.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 05:29:45 PM
More or less what I was told a few weeks back but four too many in my opinion.
If Madeleine McCann is alive she will appear of her own volition and not be cause of any investigation however I doubt very much if this will ever happen. Operation Grange is a perfect example of how not to investigate a missing child case.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Carana on October 28, 2015, 05:39:57 PM
Just plucking a few points out: 1.While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed. 2.Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world. 3.The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued. 4. "This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her. 5. "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. 6. "The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry.
It makes yer wonder don't it?
I understand that as meaning that they've now done the bulk of the work and got everything on a database, pending new information that could lead to a breakthrough.
A seemingly innocuous bit of information could come through any time... In the recent Aussie "girl in a suitcase" case, someone recognised the child's quilt, and that tiny detail has led to unravelling a tragic mystery.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 28, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
More or less what I was told a few weeks back but four too many in my opinion.
If Madeleine McCann is alive she will appear of her own volition and not be cause of any investigation however I doubt very much if this will ever happen. Operation Grange is a perfect example of how not to investigate a missing child case.
no that was the original Portuguese investigation...I forget who actually said that but no doubt someone will remember
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: insider on October 28, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
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""We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.
Events prior to her disappearance yes but even today as this latest news is released the MPS has no clear evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted and did not merely meet with some sort of accident.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 28, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
It does seem to read as a winding down message.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: misty on October 28, 2015, 05:49:47 PM
The Met are now focussing on a few definite lines of inquiry. That is not the same as "nothing's been found & we've given up". Still, some people will be happy there should be change from the £2m allocated in June.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Benice on October 28, 2015, 05:50:45 PM
no that was the original Portuguese investigation...I forget who actually said that but no doubt someone will remember
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ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be. Unquote
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 05:51:41 PM
The Met are now focussing on a few definite lines of inquiry. That is not the same as "nothing's been found & we've given up". Still, some people will be happy there should be change from the £2m allocated in June.
Oh I think they will carry on until that's all spent
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 28, 2015, 05:58:16 PM
Shocking as it may be to report, I am unable to read Alice's mind, so no I don't know what he is wondering about.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: misty on October 28, 2015, 06:08:02 PM
It will be interesting to see if there is a press release from the Portuguese police. Their "source close to the investigation " is unusually slow in coming forward.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 28, 2015, 06:08:54 PM
good to see the Met have discussed the progress of the case with Drs McCann....or the chief suspects as some like to imagine
Yes, and unusual of the Met to quote their chief suspects on their own website praising their efforts too!
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Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.
"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.
"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.
"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.
"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry. "
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 28, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
Interesting. Would expect to hear something within the next 6 months. Also interesting that they refer to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann rather then explicitly abduction. Before everyone thinks I'm thinking of the parents - I'm not. There are other theories like woke and wandered that would also fit a disappearance.
The use of the word "disappearance" by the police greatly excites the "sceptic" community, however perhaps they should pause for thought and read the South Yorkshire police page on their investigation into Ben Needham - the same word is used vis-à-vis his case, ie: disappearance. I don't suppose for one moment that it has crossed any "sceptic" mind that this means the SY Police are considering that Ben's family had anything to do with it though, so why do they get so excited when it's used to describe Madeleine McCann's status?
More or less what I was told a few weeks back but four too many in my opinion.
If Madeleine McCann is alive she will appear of her own volition and not be cause of any investigation however I doubt very much if this will ever happen. Operation Grange is a perfect example of how not to investigate a missing child case.
Could you perhaps give us a perfect example of how to investigate a missing child case then?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 28, 2015, 06:56:02 PM
I understand that as meaning that they've now done the bulk of the work and got everything on a database, pending new information that could lead to a breakthrough.
A seemingly innocuous bit of information could come through any time... In the recent Aussie "girl in a suitcase" case, someone recognised the child's quilt, and that tiny detail has led to unravelling a tragic mystery.
Yeah pretty much my idea too but I would add some bits. 1 Yeah that's about it chaps we have progressed it as far as we can and are no farther down the track than the original investigation. Leave behind four bodies to wind it down and field anything that may come in. 2. We are out of here now cos our political masters are pulling the plug on the dosh. We can keep four bodies to wind down and pass it back to the Portuguese. 3. We are almost there and only need four bodies to close it off. I doubt supporters will like 3.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 28, 2015, 06:59:59 PM
Yeah pretty much my idea too but I would add some bits. 1 Yeah that's about it chaps we have progressed it as far as we can and are no farther down the track than the original investigation. Leave behind four bodies to wind it down and field anything that may come in. 2. We are out of here now cos our political masters are pulling the plug on the dosh. We can keep four bodies to wind down and pass it back to the Portuguese. 3. We are almost there and only need four bodies to close it off. I doubt supporters will like 3.
Why do you doubt that? I like 3 the best!
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 28, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
Yeah pretty much my idea too but I would add some bits. 1 Yeah that's about it chaps we have progressed it as far as we can and are no farther down the track than the original investigation. Leave behind four bodies to wind it down and field anything that may come in. 2. We are out of here now cos our political masters are pulling the plug on the dosh. We can keep four bodies to wind down and pass it back to the Portuguese. 3. We are almost there and only need four bodies to close it off. I doubt supporters will like 3.
The problem with a vacuum is that you can fill it with any old sh*t
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 28, 2015, 07:09:23 PM
Do not sneer at rowry snake for who is to say one day it will not grow horns and become dragon.
I tend to call a snake a snake
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Eleanor on October 28, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
ENOUGH. THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
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A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office.
The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.
The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.
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We know from the above and various news reports that Scotland Yard are still pursuing an active investigation with which the Portuguese are on board and retain the lead.
This is the second reduction in personnel as per the contingencies of the investigation ... which seems still to be well on track and hopeful of finding Madeleine.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 28, 2015, 07:38:58 PM
A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office.
The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.
The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.
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We know from the above and various news reports that Scotland Yard are still pursuing an active investigation with which the Portuguese are on board and retain the lead.
This is the second reduction in personnel as per the contingencies of the investigation ... which seems still to be well on track and hopeful of finding Madeleine.
You can try and put a positive bent on today's announcement from SY, but it isn't going to work.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: misty on October 28, 2015, 07:50:52 PM
Any indication that the Lead Investigation team is winding down, too?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 07:52:20 PM
They did use the word "abduction" on the R2 news report at 3pm today. Just because Madeleine hasn't been found yet doesn't mean the Met/PJ don't have a good case against whoever abducted her. 2 separate issues.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 08:27:36 PM
They did use the word "abduction" on the R2 news report at 3pm today. Just because Madeleine hasn't been found yet doesn't mean the Met/PJ don't have a good case against whoever abducted her. 2 separate issues.
The boring mantra of abduction.
Yet not one iota of proof it ever happened.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
"They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team."
Scotland Yard have been rather preoccupied following evidence not figments of the imagination. Now that they have checked it all out they are probably at the point where the inquiry should have been a good few years ago.
Good luck to them in their focused inquiry ... there should be miscreants out there who are no longer feeling the security they have enjoyed over the past eight years and I for one hope they are as miserable as they can be.
Scotland Yard and the Portuguese will follow what they have to its conclusion ... and there can be no doubt they still have work to focus on.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
"They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team."
Scotland Yard have been rather preoccupied following evidence not figments of the imagination. Now that they have checked it all out they are probably at the point where the inquiry should have been a good few years ago.
Good luck to them in their focused inquiry ... there should be miscreants out there who are no longer feeling the security they have enjoyed over the past eight years and I for one hope they are as miserable as they can be.
Scotland Yard and the Portuguese will follow what they have to its conclusion ... and there can be no doubt they still have work to focus on.
I've read that already.
It means nothing.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
I see ... a police investigation which is following focused lines of inquiry ... means nothing??
Have it your way if you must ... but as far as I am concerned ... it means that there is still work to be done and SY are still sounding positive.
**Snip
Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry were quoted as saying in the statement that they believed the investigation to find their daughter had "significantly progressed".
"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry," they added. http://www.news24.com/World/News/UK-police-scale-back-hunt-for-missing-Maddie-20151028?
It is also worth remembering that Madeleine's parents have been kept in the loop throughout the investigation and I really get the impression that the ongoing investigation into Madeleine's disappearance means a lot, lot more than "nothing".
In fact were I the abductor or an associate, I would be feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 09:16:27 PM
I see ... a police investigation which is following focused lines of inquiry ... means nothing??
Have it your way if you must ... but as far as I am concerned ... it means that there is still work to be done and SY are still sounding positive.
**Snip
Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry were quoted as saying in the statement that they believed the investigation to find their daughter had "significantly progressed".
"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry," they added. http://www.news24.com/World/News/UK-police-scale-back-hunt-for-missing-Maddie-20151028?
It is also worth remembering that Madeleine's parents have been kept in the loop throughout the investigation and I really get the impression that the ongoing investigation into Madeleine's disappearance means a lot, lot more than "nothing".
In fact were I the abductor or an associate, I would be feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.
You can snip to your hearts content.
It means nothing.
As to abduction, just the boring, very boring mccann mantra.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 28, 2015, 09:19:27 PM
In fact were I the abductor or an associate, I would be feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.
where have i heard this before...yes Brietta, the scarlet pimpernel , presumed to exist, but with no evidence for this, is feeling hot under the collar because....SY have "made progress"
hmmmm
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2015, 09:21:55 PM
where have i heard this before...yes Brietta, the scarlet pimpernel , presumed to exist, but with no evidence for this, is feeling hot under the collar because....SY have "made progress"
hmmmm
They seek him here, they seek him there, those mccann supporters seek him everywhere...... 8(*(
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: jassi on October 28, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
where have i heard this before...yes Brietta, the scarlet pimpernel , presumed to exist, but with no evidence for this, is feeling hot under the collar because....SY have "made progress"
hmmmm
Progress could be interpreted as the elimination of countless 'persons of interest' from the investigation.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 28, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Progress could be interpreted as the elimination of countless 'persons of interest' from the investigation.
Certainly they shifted a lot of paperwork, had several meetings and had a few people questioned but the latest appears to say not much more than; "The squad has been reduced from 29 to four because the bulk of the work has been completed. The inquiry has not reached a conclusion but they are now following a small number of lines of inquiry. The Met don’t know what happened. The Portuguese have primacy".
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 10:07:03 PM
The use of the word "disappearance" by the police greatly excites the "sceptic" community, however perhaps they should pause for thought and read the South Yorkshire police page on their investigation into Ben Needham - the same word is used vis-à-vis his case, ie: disappearance. I don't suppose for one moment that it has crossed any "sceptic" mind that this means the SY Police are considering that Ben's family had anything to do with it though, so why do they get so excited when it's used to describe Madeleine McCann's status?
Indeed. Read into the word 'disappearance' what you will. Taken at face value it means she's disappeared. How this occurred has not been ascertained. The news really does not give us much information other then the investigation is ongoing. From what I understand it is quite natural for an investigation to wind down to minimal staff once the main leg work has been done. It could mean they are closing in and a few trusted investigators are left to deal with loose ends. Hmmm, what does seem obvious to me is if there is or are to be any prosecutions that will come from the Portuguese as they are lead investigators. If I was asked for a prediction I believe this case will be solved within the next 20 years if ever - pure guess of course.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 28, 2015, 10:08:39 PM
Indeed. Read into the word 'disappearance' what you will. Taken at face value it means she's disappeared. How this occurred has not been ascertained. The news really does not give us much information other then the investigation is ongoing. From what I understand it is quite natural for an investigation to wind down to minimal staff once the main leg work has been done. It could mean they are closing in and few trusted investigators are left to deal with loose ends. Hmmm, what does seem obvious to me is if there is or are to be any prosecutions that will come from the Portuguese as they are lead investigators. If I was asked for a prediction I believe this case will be solved within the next 20 years if ever - pure guess of course.
Any reason for the 20?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 10:12:27 PM
My personal view is it is unlikely they are to get a conviction without a body whoever committed the crime. Given that thought I think we are hoping that someone stumbles across her body or she herself escapes from whatever prison or life she now leads and revealed herself to the media. Saying that the McCanns or someone else could be arrested tomorrow, but obviously I'm just wildly speculating.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 28, 2015, 10:18:29 PM
Clarry still insisting there is no evidence of Maddie coming to any harm? like seriously? Being snatched from your bed - at night-away from your family for years- my guess is she was/is being harmed. these people sicken me!
Of course her parents claimed the same thing, well, up until they tried to claim money from Amaral on her behalf for the harm the book caused her.. damn very considerate family.
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Post by: Mr Gray on October 28, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
I've no intention of stopping speaking the truth
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 10:36:24 PM
Clarry still insisting there is no evidence of Maddie coming to any harm? like seriously? Being snatched from your bed - at night-away from your family for years- my guess is she was/is being harmed. these people sicken me!
Of course her parents claimed the same thing, well, up until they tried to claim money from Amaral on her behalf for the harm the book caused her.. damn very considerate family.
IN my humble opinion you assume too much. You don't know that Madeleine isn't alive. You don't know that the parents had something to do with it. If the McCanns are innocent of course they would sue to protect their name and put the proceeds towards the search for Madeleine or maybe ultimately missing children - a win win for them. No one knows and what most are doing is allowing their emotional attachment/involvement in this case cloud their judgement. All imo of course. What would you will say/feel if they find the abductor tomorrow?? How certain are you of your convictions or indeed anyone who posts here?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 28, 2015, 10:47:19 PM
IN my humble opinion you assume too much. You don't know that Madeleine isn't alive. You don't know that the parents had something to do with it. If the McCanns are innocent of course they would sue to protect their name and put the proceeds towards the search for their or maybe ultimately missing children - a win win for them. No one knows and what most are doing is allowing their emotional attachment/involvement in this case cloud their judgement. All imp of course. What you will say/feel if they find the abductor tomorrow?? How certain are you of your convictions or indeed anyone who posts here?
I have not assumed anything.. I am stating that it is absolutely disgraceful for the parents to keep claiming their daughter came to no harm. She must have. Or are you of the view that she is with a loving childless family who are looking after her and she is having a great time?
Lets look at the options 1. if she was abducted and murdered- she was harmed 2. if she was abducted and used as a sexual being- she was/is being harmed 3. if she had an accident - she was harmed
now shall we think about this a bit longer?
Or can you accept that the Parents claim she came to no harm during, after, her disappearance but only experienced harm due to words in a book which she could not read! being a 3 year old an all. and this being the worst kind of harm their daughter could suffer and so sought to gain financially from it?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 28, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
Yes how bloody disgusting of the parents of a missing child to point out that there is no evidence that their child has come to any harm and to cling on to the hope that she may be found alive and unharmed - bloody nutters should be ashamed of themselves!!!!!
Jesus.
Is there anything you people won't use as a weapon against these parents?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 10:56:04 PM
I have not assumed anything.. I am stating that it is absolutely disgraceful for the parents to keep claiming their daughter came to no harm. She must have. Or are you of the view that she is with a loving childless family who are looking after her and she is having a great time?
Lets look at the options 1. if she was abducted and murdered- she was harmed 2. if she was abducted and used as a sexual being- she was/is being harmed 3. if she had an accident - she was harmed
now shall we think about this a bit longer?
Or can you accept that the Parents claim she came to no harm during, after, her disappearance but only experienced harm due to words in a book which she could not read! being a 3 year old an all. and this being the worst kind of harm their daughter could suffer and so sought to gain financially from it?
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Don't forget another option:
4) she was abducted and was not harmed.
After that don't forget the multitude indeed huge amount of possibilities of what happened to her after her disappearance. Her parents may optimistically hope that she still alive and find some scant comfort in that thought. Lastly, why would they reveal their innermost anguish/sadness to the public when there is a campaign to energise and keep going. There is with such limited information many possible readings imo - do you deny this? And how confident ar you in your ascertains if you were to put a number on it? 90%? 80%? Or not sure?
And if some policeman who got sacked decided to publish a book about me aft r the fact and I was innocent I would sue him for every penny. Wouldn't you? If you wouldn't imo most would.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 28, 2015, 11:00:34 PM
I would state that being abducted in itself would harm the three year old! if she was still alive she would be terrified I am sure! stolen from her bed in the dead of night and you don't think this action would cause her harm? OK. no mental torture? nothing? OK.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 11:04:01 PM
I would state that being abducted in itself would harm the three year old! if she was still alive she would be terrified I am sure! stolen from her bed in the dead of night and you don't think this action would cause her harm? OK. no mental torture? nothing? OK.
Not at all. There are degrees of suffering. Just as there ar degrees of murder or rape them are worse then the other even if the law does not recognise it. Obviously being abducted from your bed and cared for in a loving manner would be most preferable but still traumatic. Goes without saying imo.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 28, 2015, 11:12:41 PM
Not at all. There are degrees of suffering. Just as there ar degrees of murder or rape them are worse then the other even if the law does not recognise it. Obviously being abducted from your bed and cared for in a loving manner would be most preferable but still traumatic. Goes without saying imo.
So you would agree that Maddie did come to some harm and not what her lying parents said there is no evidence she came to no harm even thougth they claim they do not know what happened to her?
But they decided that whatever happened to her, Amarals book did cause her harm? and they were seeking money for that harm?
Even typing it gives me the creeps.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 11:17:45 PM
They seek him here, they seek him there, those mccann supporters seek him everywhere...... 8(*(
Indeed. ... and if Mr Amaral had spent a little more of his time seeking him rather than formulating his theories and which chapter of the book would fit them best it is perfectly possible Scotland Yard and the Policia Judicairia would not have had to spend the past four and a half years playing catch up on his omissions.
I would say that now that all the donkey work has been accomplished it has been deemed appropriate that four dedicated detectives who can call in back-up if required will be able to cope with their ongoing enquiries.
That is the magic word ... ongoing ... isn't it great that continues to be done, hopefully with a positive conclusion.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 11:20:56 PM
Progress could be interpreted as the elimination of countless 'persons of interest' from the investigation.
Part if the investigative process is doing just that ... eliminating suspects and people of interest ... the fact they had to accomplish that four years after Madeleine disappeared evidences that it hadn't already been done.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 28, 2015, 11:28:44 PM
Indeed. Read into the word 'disappearance' what you will. Taken at face value it means she's disappeared. How this occurred has not been ascertained. The news really does not give us much information other then the investigation is ongoing. From what I understand it is quite natural for an investigation to wind down to minimal staff once the main leg work has been done. It could mean they are closing in and a few trusted investigators are left to deal with loose ends. Hmmm, what does seem obvious to me is if there is or are to be any prosecutions that will come from the Portuguese as they are lead investigators. If I was asked for a prediction I believe this case will be solved within the next 20 years if ever - pure guess of course.
I am more hopeful than the twenty year delay ... as those who have lived through such a time lapse without knowledge if their missing child is alive or dead would probably agree.
However, if the present investigation is forced to wind down because there is nowhere else to go Madeleine McCann's parents and loved ones will have some comfort that unprecedented efforts were made on her behalf by Scotland Yard and the Policia Judicairia to find her, unlike the initial investigation.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 11:53:05 PM
So you would agree that Maddie did come to some harm and not what her lying parents said there is no evidence she came to no harm even thougth they claim they do not know what happened to her?
But they decided that whatever happened to her, Amarals book did cause her harm? and they were seeking money for that harm?
Even typing it gives me the creeps.
I'd agree that is extremely likely that Madeleine has came to some form of harm - of course I hope in the interests of her wellbeing that, that harm is minimal. I'm fairly sure I know we can all agree on that. What I don't think you know is that the parents are lying. You may believe they are, but that is different from knowing, because you simply do not know! I don't think you are an awful person - far from it, but I do believe you are blinkered in being so sure of yourself(it is imo a belief rather then a logical deduction) as I believe many are on both sides of the equation. Whether or not you are right is imo immaterial as the information in the public domain doesn't allow a definitive conclusion. Also, before you slag off the McCanns too much for taking Amaral to the courts please factor in this is a guy has been taken to court and been prosecuted for being complicit in torture!(if i am correct). What I find perplexing is the dogmatic belief on both sides of the equation in this case. My view is I believe it is unlikely the McCanns are involved mainly going on probability and I know far more about working probabilities/statistics then you might imagine 8(>(( Of course I remain quite open to that not being the case. I might also change my mind about that next week...next 6 months...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 28, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
I am more hopeful than the twenty year delay ... as those who have lived through such a time lapse without knowledge if their missing child is alive or dead would probably agree.
However, if the present investigation is forced to wind down because there is nowhere else to go Madeleine McCann's parents and loved ones will have some comfort that unprecedented efforts were made on her behalf by Scotland Yard and the Policia Judicairia to find her, unlike the initial investigation.
Hope so too 8(0(* Just a guess...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 12:00:43 AM
The use of the word 'disappearance' in SY's official statement is interesting. According to supporters Redwood had decided as long ago as 2012 that Madeleine ' had been abducted by a stranger' so why, even if they still don't know who that stranger was, wasn't the word abducted used today ?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 29, 2015, 12:51:27 AM
I'd agree that is extremely likely that Madeleine has came to some form of harm - of course I hope in the interests of her wellbeing that, that harm is minimal. I'm fairly sure I know we can all agree on that. What I don't think you know is that the parents are lying. You may believe they are, but that is different from knowing, because you simply do not know! I don't think you are an awful person - far from it, but I do believe you are blinkered in being so sure of yourself(it is imo a belief rather then a logical deduction) as I believe many are on both sides of the equation. Whether or not you are right is imo immaterial as the information in the public domain doesn't allow a definitive conclusion. Also, before you slag off the McCanns too much for taking Amaral to the courts please factor in this is a guy has been taken to court and been prosecuted for being complicit in torture!(if i am correct). What I find perplexing is the dogmatic belief on both sides of the equation in this case. My view is I believe it is unlikely the McCanns are involved mainly going on probability and I know far more about working probabilities/statistics then you might imagine 8(>(( Of course I remain quite open to that not being the case. I might also change my mind about that next week...next 6 months...
One line of enquiry is Smithman so it's time to get to the heart of the matter. Lookalikes come and meet the 4 inherently good detectives 8(0(*
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pegasus on October 29, 2015, 02:28:05 AM
Looks like maybe they didn't really go back to square one like they said they would, but instead fell for the same old assumptions like "disappeared from the apartment between whatever and 10"
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 02:52:24 AM
My personal view is it is unlikely they are to get a conviction without a body whoever committed the crime. Given that thought I think we are hoping that someone stumbles across her body or she herself escapes from whatever prison or life she now leads and revealed herself to the media. Saying that the McCanns or someone else could be arrested tomorrow, but obviously I'm just wildly speculating.
You didnt answer my question though of why you think it will be 20 years lordy
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officer
Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 03:31:05 AM
Indeed. ... and if Mr Amaral had spent a little more of his time seeking him rather than formulating his theories and which chapter of the book would fit them best it is perfectly possible Scotland Yard and the Policia Judicairia would not have had to spend the past four and a half years playing catch up on his omissions.
I would say that now that all the donkey work has been accomplished it has been deemed appropriate that four dedicated detectives who can call in back-up if required will be able to cope with their ongoing enquiries.
That is the magic word ... ongoing ... isn't it great that continues to be done, hopefully with a positive conclusion.
Still no concrete evidence or otherwise that the so called abductor is NOT a phantom of yours and others imagnations...not a shred or iota ergo you have no right to proclaim anythg as fact do you? No you do not
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: lordpookles on October 29, 2015, 03:55:27 AM
You didnt answer my question though of why you think it will be 20 years lordy
I pretty much plucked that number out of the air tbh... although, if there is no resolution this time around I guess it's gonna be a long time before the case is reopened without fresh evidence...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Yes how bloody disgusting of the parents of a missing child to point out that there is no evidence that their child has come to any harm and to cling on to the hope that she may be found alive and unharmed - bloody nutters should be ashamed of themselves!!!!!
Jesus.
Is there anything you people won't use as a weapon against these parents?
please list the circumstances in where a missing child of 9 years is unharmed and well ta
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 03:58:52 AM
I pretty much plucked that number out of the air tbh... although, if there is no resolution this time around I guess it's gonna be a long time before the case is reopened without fresh evidence...
Oh right, ok, thanks
Ps there will be no resolution aka some phantom abductor
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers
Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 05:53:27 AM
Indeed. ... and if Mr Amaral had spent a little more of his time seeking him rather than formulating his theories and which chapter of the book would fit them best it is perfectly possible Scotland Yard and the Policia Judicairia would not have had to spend the past four and a half years playing catch up on his omissions.
I would say that now that all the donkey work has been accomplished it has been deemed appropriate that four dedicated detectives who can call in back-up if required will be able to cope with their ongoing enquiries.
That is the magic word ... ongoing ... isn't it great that continues to be done, hopefully with a positive conclusion.
You need reminding that the initial work in Portugal which did involve UK police advice, resulted in the situation that no evidence of abduction was found.
How conveniently you and others overlook that.
For without abduction, there is only one place to go.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 29, 2015, 07:56:22 AM
Part if the investigative process is doing just that ... eliminating suspects and people of interest ... the fact they had to accomplish that four years after Madeleine disappeared evidences that it hadn't already been done.
More likely that the original investigation ignored the loons and the current investigation has looked at them again and wrote "eliminated" on the file.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Benice on October 29, 2015, 07:57:32 AM
You need reminding that the initial work in Portugal which did involve UK police advice, resulted in the situation that no evidence of abduction was found.
How conveniently you and others overlook that.
For without abduction, there is only one place to go.
As it is a fact that the police forces of two countries have ruled the McCanns and their friends out of the investigation - then where is this... ''only one place to go'?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 29, 2015, 08:08:23 AM
As it is a fact that the police forces of two countries have ruled the McCanns and their friends out of the investigation - then where is this... ''only one place to go'?
Maddie deserved a proper investigation....something the pj did not give her...As expected SY still have some lines of enquiry to investigate...they have again made it clear the parents are not involved..this is what has upset the sceptics
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
More likely that the original investigation ignored the loons and the current investigation has looked at them again and wrote "eliminated" on the file.
why would you ignore loons?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
The use of the word 'disappearance' in SY's official statement is interesting. According to supporters Redwood had decided as long ago as 2012 that Madeleine ' had been abducted by a stranger' so why, even if they still don't know who that stranger was, wasn't the word abducted used today ?
The use of the word "disappearance" gives you a tiny straw of comfort to cling to, nothing more. The same word is used in all police statements about Ben Needham, but I don't suppose you believe it's code for "the grandparents dunnit" do you?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 08:48:15 AM
As it is a fact that the police forces of two countries have ruled the McCanns and their friends out of the investigation - then where is this... ''only one place to go'?
Where is the proof of abduction ?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 29, 2015, 08:52:35 AM
you talk of proof do you understand there are three levels of proof...civil...criminal or absolute you don't understand do you
Don't be foolish.
Now once and for all, tell me what evidence is there of abduction.
This time provide cites.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Benice on October 29, 2015, 09:22:18 AM
I assume you also think the claims made by the parents of all those UK children sexually assaulted in their beds haven't been investigated either - as there has been no statement from SY to say so.
In fact according to your logic this investigation has never included an interview in the UK -with anyone connected to the case - and you know that apparently - because SY have not made statements confirming they have.
What do you think 'We shall not be giving a running commentary' means?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
Neither Operation Grange or, more interestingly, the media have referred to 'an abduction' for ages. Only the McCanns and their supporters are still insisting on this explanation for Madeleine's disappearance. I have highlighted words which may be significant;
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
McCann statement;
"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-10million-police-investigation-6722352
The police seem to be emphasising the night itself. The parents statement is less specific. The police say 'went missing' The parents say 'abduction'. The police say 'what happened to her', no mention of finding her. It may be that the police worded their statement carelessly, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 09:50:32 AM
Hardly surprising that there is little evidence available from apartment 5A when one considers the botched forensic examination which occurred there resulting in the destruction of forensic evidence which may have included traces left by an intruder.
It should also be remembered that most cases of abduction do not involve any evidence being left at the crime scene.
Scotland Yard were not responsible for leaking the names of persons interviewed in Portugal to internet bloggers and the press ... that was a leak from within the Portuguese investigation, which has now apparently been plugged.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 09:53:49 AM
Hardly surprising that there is little evidence available from apartment 5A when one considers the botched forensic examination which occurred there resulting in the destruction of forensic evidence which may have included traces left by an intruder.
It should also be remembered that most cases of abduction do not involve any evidence being left at the crime scene.
Scotland Yard were not responsible for leaking the names of persons interviewed in Portugal to internet bloggers and the press ... that was a leak from within the Portuguese investigation, which has now apparently been plugged.
Been through this all before.
Has it ever crossed your mind there is no evidence of abduction, because there was no abduction ?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
The fact remains that the initial forensic examination of the apartment was botched which removed any chance of retrieving a trace from an intruder.
That then applies to accidental death.
Remember the dogs.
As to repetition, I need no lessons from you on that.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Benice on October 29, 2015, 11:36:11 AM
So you are claiming that because the public have not been informed of any interviews with the McCanns - or anyone else for that matter - then that's proof that they didn't happen?
That means SY have completely ignored that major advantage they have over armchair detectives like us - who do only have some of the files to go on and unlike SY - have no chance of verifying/questioning/clarifying anything in them with the people concerned if the need arises.
The idea that no-one connected to this case has been interviewed in the UK by SY since the investigation began and that SY have been in exactly the same position as the rest of us - with only the files to go on - is more than blatent nonsense IMO. It's barmy.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Anna on October 29, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
Clarence Mitchell on video explaining the cut back on here..............
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34661256
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Anna on October 29, 2015, 12:31:47 PM
Please leave personal remarks out of the debate and adhere to the topic of the thread. Thank you.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
Well IMO, anyone who supports the mccanns after what they did, can be attributed with the same description.
Likewise it is abundantly clear, SY have found NOTHING, and again those who think different can be added to that descriptive term, IMO , of course. 8)-)))
Actually, those who "support" the Drs McCann are merely supporting their efforts to get a properly conducted investigation into Madeleine's disappearance underway; I have witnessed no adulation such as that posted by admirers of Goncalo Amaral when his go fund me appeal was extant.
Having been successful in their aim of having Madeleine's case reopened and proper scrutiny of all the evidence gathered, there is no further requirement of such a huge squad. The Policia Justicairia have been operating normally for quite some time now in Madeleine's case and Scotland Yard have now reached the same stage in their enquiry which enables the reduction in their team.
When and if they reach a conclusion, hopefully with the recovery of Madeleine, we will hear all about it.
Till then, there is nothing more to be done but to allow the police investigation to get on with following the evidence and the active lines of enquiry we have been told about.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
Actually, those who "support" the Drs McCann are merely supporting their efforts to get a properly conducted investigation into Madeleine's disappearance underway; I have witnessed no adulation such as that posted by admirers of Goncalo Amaral when his go fund me appeal was extant.
Having been successful in their aim of having Madeleine's case reopened and proper scrutiny of all the evidence gathered, there is no further requirement of such a huge squad. The Policia Justicairia have been operating normally for quite some time now in Madeleine's case and Scotland Yard have now reached the same stage in their enquiry which enables the reduction in their team.
When and if they reach a conclusion, hopefully with the recovery of Madeleine, we will hear all about it.
Till then, there is nothing more to be done but to allow the police investigation to get on with following the evidence and the active lines of enquiry we have been told about.
You can type until the end of time, but it doesn't meant there was an abductor.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2015, 12:52:02 PM
what i will never understand is and no disrepect to madeline but why did one missing child in the uk need 28 police officers or more? that isnt normal imo
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
You can type until the end of time, but it doesn't meant there was an abductor.
Madeleine McCann vanished while on holiday in Praia da Luz.
Despite the best efforts of the initial investigation to pin the blame for that disappearance on her parents ... in particular her mother ... no evidence was found to justify that approach.
The present Scotland Yard and Policia Judicairia investigations having gone back to square one by reassessing everything which was available to the initial investigation and coordinating it with all the information subsequently gathered ... are ... wait for it ... looking for the stranger/s responsible for abducting Madeleine.
The time will come when like all cases there will be a resolution one way or the other and I am sure if the same scrutiny were to be given to what SY and the PJ have achieved over the past four years there might be avenues which could well have been followed. It must rank as one of the most intensive investigations in history and I'll guarantee lots of lessons must have been learned from it ... in particular the new working relationship of the Brits and Portuguese.
It has obviously been determined that there is still enough work to keep four detectives on the case for the foreseeable future ... some of us are content about that.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
Madeleine McCann vanished while on holiday in Praia da Luz.
Despite the best efforts of the initial investigation to pin the blame for that disappearance on her parents ... in particular her mother ... no evidence was found to justify that approach.
The present Scotland Yard and Policia Judicairia investigations having gone back to square one by reassessing everything which was available to the initial investigation and coordinating it with all the information subsequently gathered ... are ... wait for it ... looking for the stranger/s responsible for abducting Madeleine.
The time will come when like all cases there will be a resolution one way or the other and I am sure if the same scrutiny were to be given to what SY and the PJ have achieved over the past four years there might be avenues which could well have been followed. It must rank as one of the most intensive investigations in history and I'll guarantee lots of lessons must have been learned from it ... in particular the new working relationship of the Brits and Portuguese.
It has obviously been determined that there is still enough work to keep four detectives on the case for the foreseeable future ... some of us are content about that. [/quote]
Keep dreaming Brietta.
That is all you have left as regards abduction.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 01:38:17 PM
We appear to have mucked up the quote system, I probably started it by putting my reply within your post.
But as I have already said this thread is not about abduction per se ... it is about the fact that there is still enough evidence there which justifies four detectives being dedicated to following it through. Hopefully with positive results for Madeleine.
Thanks, Anna, I see you have sorted me out.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on October 29, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
So you are claiming that because the public have not been informed of any interviews with the McCanns - or anyone else for that matter - then that's proof that they didn't happen?
That means SY have completely ignored that major advantage they have over armchair detectives like us - who do only have some of the files to go on and unlike SY - have no chance of verifying/questioning/clarifying anything in them with the people concerned if the need arises.
The idea that no-one connected to this case has been interviewed in the UK by SY since the investigation began and that SY have been in exactly the same position as the rest of us - with only the files to go on - is more than blatent nonsense IMO. It's barmy.
The announcement says "The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits." Very little of that has been done in Portugal, so they must have been busy elsewhere.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
Neither Operation Grange or, more interestingly, the media have referred to 'an abduction' for ages. Only the McCanns and their supporters are still insisting on this explanation for Madeleine's disappearance. I have highlighted words which may be significant;
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
McCann statement;
"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-10million-police-investigation-6722352
The police seem to be emphasising the night itself. The parents statement is less specific. The police say 'went missing' The parents say 'abduction'. The police say 'what happened to her', no mention of finding her. It may be that the police worded their statement carelessly, but I doubt it.
I believe the word "abduction" was used on TV yesterday, and reference to Madeleine being taken from the Apartment on the night of the 3rd May was mentioned on BBC News at 10 last night.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
The Mirror references "suspected abduction" in yesterday's article
The announcement says "The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits." Very little of that has been done in Portugal, so they must have busy elsewhere.
Thinking about that makes what you say obvious.
Scotland Yard would have required to make more formal requests to carry out interviews in Portugal ... the PJ would have been able to do all that with far more discretion.
Therefore it may be that SY have made a clean sweep of British and international scenarios (can't remember how many letters of request were sent out) while the PJ have worked their side of it in Portugal. There is every suggestion that the PJ and SY are working together on this one.
**Snip "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case," Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley from the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry."
He added that officers in Portugal remained "fully committed" to the investigation. http://www.news24.com/World/News/UK-police-scale-back-hunt-for-missing-Maddie-20151028?
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Post by: ShiningInLuz on October 29, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Scotland Yard would have required to make more formal requests to carry out interviews in Portugal ... the PJ would have been able to do all that with far more discretion.
Therefore it may be that SY have made a clean sweep of British and international scenarios (can't remember how many letters of request were sent out) while the PJ have worked their side of it in Portugal. There is every suggestion that the PJ and SY are working together on this one.
**Snip "We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case," Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley from the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry."
He added that officers in Portugal remained "fully committed" to the investigation. http://www.news24.com/World/News/UK-police-scale-back-hunt-for-missing-Maddie-20151028?
While I cannot be certain this did not happen, I think it is unlikely.
Of the 10 people interviewed in Dec 14 in Faro, at least 6 were Portuguese nationals and required an ILOR.
Perhaps there is a different process for resolving minor queries.
However, I would hope many are more substantive, with Crimewatch 2013 as a potential contributor.
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Post by: slartibartfast on October 29, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
"suspected abduction" is not the same as THE ABDUCTION, it is not a validation that an abduction has taken place. I am delighted that abduction has been removed as a given of what happened. Good move by the Mirror.
The tide has turned, there was a belief amoung the populist politicians that we the people were backing the McCANNS, Ooops how wrong!
Clarry will still push the agenda for the McCANNS claiming she may be home soon? Dead or alive he did not say.
similar; alledged offence instead of "he did it"!
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
Ever heard the saying "Leaving no loon unturned"? I think that applies here and good on SY for doing so. Perhaps someone you might class a loon was responsible.
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Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 06:44:25 PM
I believe the word "abduction" was used on TV yesterday, and reference to Madeleine being taken from the Apartment on the night of the 3rd May was mentioned on BBC News at 10 last night.
What matters, the only thing that matters, is that OG in their official statement not once mention the word abduction. According to you and your ilk SY believe Madeleine was the victim of a stranger abduction so why no mention of that in the statement ?
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 29, 2015, 06:47:32 PM
What matters, the only thing that matters, is that OG in their official statement not once mention the word abduction. According to you and your ilk SY believe Madeleine was the victim of a stranger abduction so why no mention of that in the statement ?
As posted elsewhere at the back end of last year they were reported to have "an open mind" on the case.
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Post by: jassi on October 29, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
What matters, the only thing that matters, is that OG in their official statement not once mention the word abduction. According to you and your ilk SY believe Madeleine was the victim of a stranger abduction so why no mention of that in the statement ?
Maybe they've learned the errors of their ways since they started.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 06:49:12 PM
What matters, the only thing that matters, is that OG in their official statement not once mention the word abduction. According to you and your ilk SY believe Madeleine was the victim of a stranger abduction so why no mention of that in the statement ?
I don't know - maybe for the same reason that there is no mention of the word abduction in any official police statement about Ben Needham, perhaps? The fact is - the Met are on record as saying that they believe Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger and until they make another statement completely contradicting that statement, then as far as I and the rest of "my ilk" are concerned, it still stands.
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 29, 2015, 06:59:07 PM
Does anyone have a link to precisely what Andy Redwood said?. Preferably with a few sentences either side. I thought the gist of what he said was, approximatively: "we have identified a time slot when an abduction could have taken place and if it did it would have been a criminal act by a stranger".
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 07:01:30 PM
Does anyone have a link to precisely what Andy Redwood said?. Preferably with a few sentences either side. I thought the gist of what he said was, approximatively: "we have identified a time slot when an abduction could have taken place and if it did it would have been a criminal act by a stranger".
WRONG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27y_yIZTAeE
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Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 07:08:40 PM
I don't know - maybe for the same reason that there is no mention of the word abduction in any official police statement about Ben Needham, perhaps? The fact is - the Met are on record as saying that they believe Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger and until they make another statement completely contradicting that statement, then as far as I and the rest of "my ilk" are concerned, it still stands.
Ah yes, 2012, a good year;
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, of Scotland Yard's homicide and serious crime command, said: "We genuinely believe there's a possibility that she is alive.
He said detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger".
The team is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 07:11:10 PM
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, of Scotland Yard's homicide and serious crime command, said: "We genuinely believe there's a possibility that she is alive.
He said detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger".
The team is also pursuing the line of inquiry that after five years Madeleine might be dead. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-yard-case
And have the Met issued any statement at all since 2012 to contradict the view that they believe Madeleine's disappearance was due to a criminal act by a stranger?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 07:13:04 PM
Indeed Alice but that hasn't stopped the faithful aiming otherwise.
So - they started with a closed mind "abducted in a criminal act by a stranger" and now they are considering everything from the parents dunnit to she fell down a hole, is that it? Is that why they've spent so much time interviewing paedophiles and other sexual predators over the last couple of years?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 07:17:51 PM
And have the Met issued any statement at all since 2012 to contradict the view that they believe Madeleine's disappearance was due to a criminal act by a stranger?
Then why no mention of it in yesterday's statement?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 07:18:54 PM
And have the Met issued any statement at all since 2012 to contradict the view that they believe Madeleine's disappearance was due to a criminal act by a stranger?
Maybe they're hoping we've forgotten they said it? Maybe they're hoping we've forgotten BHH's 'murder' word too?
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 07:22:49 PM
Maybe they're hoping we've forgotten they said it? Maybe they're hoping we've forgotten BHH's 'murder' word too?
Why would they hope that? Do you really think the Met sit there worrying about BHH's "murder" word? This is laughable stuff! You really need to take a few deep breaths and try and clear your head. @)(++(*
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Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
Why would they hope that? Do you really think the Met sit there worrying about BHH's "murder" word? This is laughable stuff! You really need to take a few deep breaths and try and clear your head. @)(++(*
Well, for a professional police force they've definitely muddied the waters haven't they. 'Criminal act by stranger' 'murder' 'dead' 'alive'. Anyone who thinks they know what Operation Grange thinks is deluding themselves big time.
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Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 07:46:29 PM
Why would they hope that? Do you really think the Met sit there worrying about BHH's "murder" word? This is laughable stuff! You really need to take a few deep breaths and try and clear your head. @)(++(*
Judging by their statements, they literally do not have a clue, metaphorically or otherwise.
There is an excellent assessment of this elsewhere by a former police officer.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 29, 2015, 07:49:10 PM
Well, for a professional police force they've definitely muddied the waters haven't they. 'Criminal act by stranger' 'murder' 'dead' 'alive'. Anyone who thinks they know what Operation Grange thinks is deluding themselves big time.
Yeah I am not even convinced they know themselves!. I do know not all police officers believe the abduction from the apartment through a jemmied window!
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: ferryman on October 29, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
More or less what I was told a few weeks back but four too many in my opinion.
If Madeleine McCann is alive she will appear of her own volition and not be cause of any investigation however I doubt very much if this will ever happen. Operation Grange is a perfect example of how not to investigate a missing child case.
Operation Grange is a perfect example of how not to investigate a missing child case.
Liars come in all shapes and sizes. No profession is without them.
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Post by: jassi on October 29, 2015, 07:52:01 PM
Yeah I am not even convinced they know themselves!. I do know not all police officers believe the abduction from the apartment through a jemmied window!
29 detectives - maybe 29 different opinions
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 08:20:06 PM
Well, for a professional police force they've definitely muddied the waters haven't they. 'Criminal act by stranger' 'murder' 'dead' 'alive'. Anyone who thinks they know what Operation Grange thinks is deluding themselves big time.
I don't think its Op Grange that are deluding themselves.
It really is incredibly simple. The Met is investigating a criminal act by a stranger. The victim is Madeleine. She may be alive, or she may be dead. If she is dead that would be murder. If alive, adbuction. Clear now?
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Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 08:44:20 PM
I don't think its Op Grange that are deluding themselves.
It really is incredibly simple. The Met is investigating a criminal act by a stranger. The victim is Madeleine. She may be alive, or she may be dead. If she is dead that would be murder. If alive, adbuction. Clear now?
And you know this how ?
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Post by: pathfinder73 on October 29, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
I don't think its Op Grange that are deluding themselves.
It really is incredibly simple. The Met is investigating a criminal act by a stranger. The victim is Madeleine. She may be alive, or she may be dead. If she is dead that would be murder. If alive, adbuction. Clear now?
They know what they're doing Alfie. The real investigation starts now.
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Post by: pegasus on October 29, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
Not if they had already got rid of the dross 'evidence' - the 8000 odd spurious sightings and the innumerable persons of 'no interest what so ever'.
Indeed! And as has been discussed by myself ad some colleagues, they may 'know' what happened but are not in a position to arrest anyone due to lack of physical evidence. In that case their hands are tied. They pack up and come home. It does show signs of winding down to closure. Or The case can be left shelved or open until a credible witness comes foward.
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Post by: Heriberto Janosch on October 29, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
Operation Grange, from May 2011 to October 2015: 1,338 statements, 1,027 exhibits (physical or documentary evidence), more than 60 persons of interest, 560 lines of investigation identified (now "a small number of focused lines of inquiry"). OG has not reach a conclusion (yet).
Mark Rowley from Scotland Yard said: "[We are] very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of inquiry".
And, in my opinion, new information and lines of inquiry will be generated after Scotland Yard and Portuguese Polícia Judiciária publish all their files from the last four and a half years (if the case is not solved before).
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Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2015, 09:18:39 PM
Operation Grange, from May 2011 to October 2015: 1,338 statements, 1,027 exhibits (physical or documentary evidence), more than 60 persons of interest, 560 lines of investigation identified (now "a small number of focused lines of inquiry"). OG has not reach a conclusion (yet).
Mark Rowley from Scotland Yard said: "[We are] very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of inquiry".
And, in my opinion, new information and lines of inquiry will be generated after Scotland Yard and Portuguese Polícia Judiciária publish all their files from the last four and a half years (if the case is not solved before).
We have heard that again and again and again.
Read your blog. 8((()*/
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Post by: ShiningInLuz on October 29, 2015, 09:22:11 PM
I don't think its Op Grange that are deluding themselves.
It really is incredibly simple. The Met is investigating a criminal act by a stranger. The victim is Madeleine. She may be alive, or she may be dead. If she is dead that would be murder. If alive, adbuction. Clear now?
Living in the past, Alfie? Things move on you know.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: faithlilly on October 29, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
Operation Grange, from May 2011 to October 2015: 1,338 statements, 1,027 exhibits (physical or documentary evidence), more than 60 persons of interest, 560 lines of investigation identified (now "a small number of focused lines of inquiry"). OG has not reach a conclusion (yet).
Mark Rowley from Scotland Yard said: "[We are] very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of inquiry".
And, in my opinion, new information and lines of inquiry will be generated after Scotland Yard and Portuguese Polícia Judiciária publish all their files from the last four and a half years (if the case is not solved before).
We have no chance whatsoever of seeing anything from the Operation Grange investigation apart from the bits which found their way to the PJ.
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Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Living in the past, Alfie? Things move on you know.
have you been following our australian case with the mum and little girl? the mum was murdered in around 2008 and they dont know when the little girl was killed but the little girls biones were found ina suitcase 1700km away from her mother but aus police in 5 years have solved the case and have linked the little girls mum and daughters deaths to a guy though bones etc pretty amazing i think
IMO if they are close to a solving it, they would keep more than 4 officers on the case.
They may be lacking evidence to prove it so why keep 29 on when they know what they require to solve it? 4 will do to try and get that final piece of evidence.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 29, 2015, 10:04:11 PM
They may be lacking evidence to prove it so why keep 29 on when they know what they require to solve it? 4 will do to try and get that final piece of evidence.
Pathy, I'm not confident they will get the evidence to secure an arrest. They will not say even if they are sure what happened. Hope info does com from Portugal though!
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Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
They may be lacking evidence to prove it so why keep 29 on when they know what they require to solve it? 4 will do to try and get that final piece of evidence.
I guess a larger group was needed to get all the evidence organised together. Then they could see what might or might not be ruled out. I guess that it's either as above or the four are tidying up ready to stop, while being available to deal with any incoming evidence. Perhaps the PJ will come up trumps, it's their case after all.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 10:08:16 PM
Pathy, I'm not confident they will get the evidence to secure an arrest. They will not say even if they are sure what happened. Hope info does com from Portugal though!
You could be right but they want to solve it.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the Met, said: "The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest."
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Post by: pathfinder73 on October 29, 2015, 10:17:25 PM
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the Met, said: "The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest."
I'm sure they do, their reputation will take yet another bashing if they don't. I wonder what they mean by 'national interest'? How is it going to benefit the United Kingdom as a nation to find out what happened to this poor child? Did her disappearance damage the UK as a nation?
definition;
the interest of a nation as a whole held to be an independent entity separate from the interests of subordinate areas or groups and also of other nations or supranational groups
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
Let's see your evidence that the Met have moved on from a criminal act by a stranger theory then, I look forward to reading it.
I didn't know evidence was required Alf. I look forward to reading yours too. Oh, I forgot, no evidence required for your pronouncements. If the McCanns said abduction it must be so. It the Met said criminal act by a stranger it must be so. The only thing missing, of course, is that pesky abducting criminal stranger or any evidence he ever existed.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 29, 2015, 10:40:27 PM
I'm sure they do, their reputation will take yet another bashing if they don't. I wonder what they mean by 'national interest'? How is it going to benefit the United Kingdom as a nation to find out what happened to this poor child? Did her disappearance damage the UK as a nation?
definition;
the interest of a nation as a whole held to be an independent entity separate from the interests of subordinate areas or groups and also of other nations or supranational groups
Yes G, I noticed that as well. I mentioned earlier that the national interest was the whipped up story about a child being kidnapped in her bed at night via an jemmied window. The politicians were lobbied with verocious, aggressive (passive aggressive) means by the family- and PM 'dave yer mate here' on a popularity drive didn't want to upset the populace. Mis led comes to mind! They read it wrong. They thought the interest was thinking innocent middle class doctors were being persecuted by nasty foreign police men. The go fund me support to Amaral certainly makes things look different.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 10:43:30 PM
I didn't know evidence was required Alf. I look forward to reading yours too. Oh, I forgot, no evidence required for your pronouncements. If the McCanns said abduction it must be so. It the Met said criminal act by a stranger it must be so. The only thing missing, of course, is that pesky abducting criminal stranger or any evidence he ever existed.
You claim that I am living in the past because I had the temerity to refer to the Met's own statements on this case. If I am wrong then surely you must have some evidence upon which you base this conclusion? What is it?
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Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 10:52:57 PM
Yes G, I noticed that as well. I mentioned earlier that the national interest was the whipped up story about a child being kidnapped in her bed at night via an jemmied window. The politicians were lobbied with verocious, aggressive (passive aggressive) means by the family- and PM 'dave yer mate here' on a popularity drive didn't want to upset the populace. Mis led comes to mind! They read it wrong. They thought the interest was thinking innocent middle class doctors were being persecuted by nasty foreign police men. The go fund me support to Amaral certainly makes things look different.
I wondered why the Met accepted what was clearly a poisoned chalice. Now they've decided to tell us how they were persuaded. It was quite a feat to turn a story about a missing child into an incident of national importance, I must say. I think the media have to take a lot of the blame for that misconception. Their eagerness to glorify the family and vilify the PJ was disgraceful imo.
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Post by: G-Unit on October 29, 2015, 10:59:37 PM
You claim that I am living in the past because I had the temerity to refer to the Met's own statements on this case. If I am wrong then surely you must have some evidence upon which you base this conclusion? What is it?
Well, it was a while back and things move on, you know. People retire, new people take over, new updates are issued which contain no reference whatsoever to 'criminal acts' by anyone......They may be on the verge of pouncing on this stranger, but I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 29, 2015, 11:05:51 PM
I wondered why the Met accepted what was clearly a poisoned chalice. Now they've decided to tell us how they were persuaded. It was quite a feat to turn a story about a missing child into an incident of national importance, I must say. I think the media have to take a lot of the blame for that misconception. Their eagerness to glorify the family and vilify the PJ was disgraceful imo.
I along with many others agree. I believe many thousands of people did complain about the money being spent on this no brainer. The speed of the elevation to stardom/celebrity status was astonishing! The MSN did and still do make many millions from poor Maddies fate what ever that was /is.
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Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
I along with many others agree. I believe many thousands of people did complain about the money being spent on this no brainer. The speed of the elevation to stardom/celebrity status was astonishing! The MSN did and still do make many millions from poor Maddies fate what ever that was /is.
What is a "no brainer" about the search for a missing child? Where exactly does Madeleine McCann stand in the sphere of things? Apart from collateral damage in your rather obvious dislike of her parents.
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Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
I didn't know evidence was required Alf. I look forward to reading yours too. Oh, I forgot, no evidence required for your pronouncements. If the McCanns said abduction it must be so. It the Met said criminal act by a stranger it must be so. The only thing missing, of course, is that pesky abducting criminal stranger or any evidence he ever existed.
As if it has to be repeated, redwood said there was an opportunity for an abduction and that would be a criminal act by a stranger.wrll yes obviously.......he never ever said it was one or that he or sy thought it was.....sigh
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 11:36:52 PM
Well, it was a while back and things move on, you know. People retire, new people take over, new updates are issued which contain no reference whatsoever to 'criminal acts' by anyone......They may be on the verge of pouncing on this stranger, but I won't be holding my breath.
So no evidence whatsoever that The Met have changed their minds about a crimnal act by a stranger then? No, I thought not.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 29, 2015, 11:46:14 PM
Which part of this from the latest Met statement suggests that they have discounted criminal involvement of a stranger?
"The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.
Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world".
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Post by: Brietta on October 29, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
Which part of this from the latest Met statement suggests that they have discounted criminal involvement of a stranger?
"The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.
Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world".
The volume of the work they have accomplished is jaw dropping and very far from the image portrayed of the laid back holiday lifestyle. Operation Grange have worked their socks off and they deserve congratulation for the hard work they have put in.
I think the fact they followed up on reports of 8,685 potential sightings indicates that they have most certainly not given up on finding a living child.
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Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 11:55:19 PM
Which part of this from the latest Met statement suggests that they have discounted criminal involvement of a stranger?
"The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.
Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world".
did anyone say they had discounted stranger abduction?...try and stay on track, they have never confirmed it either whch matches their statements that they have open minds.....sigh...why do iqs here keep going down and down
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Post by: VIXTE on October 29, 2015, 11:57:45 PM
It is not very clear but to me it looks like tomorrow front pages are suggesting that the McCanns would start a new private investigation.
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Post by: mercury on October 29, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
The volume of the work they have accomplished is jaw dropping and very far from the image portrayed of the laid back holiday lifestyle. Operation Grange have worked their socks off and they deserve congratulation for the hard work they have put in.
I think the fact they followed up on reports of 8,685 potential sightings indicates that they have most certainly not given up on finding a living child.
Its not about not giving up on finding a live child, its called an investigation with a budget....wherever it leads Theyve done no more much than the original investigation whch should also be clapped!! For the same reasons
Nearly 9000 sightings? you need to get a grip on reality maybe.
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Post by: pathfinder73 on October 30, 2015, 12:03:16 AM
So no evidence whatsoever that The Met have changed their minds about a crimnal act by a stranger then? No, I thought not.
I told you ages ago that they will investigate all possibilities and eliminate them until they are left with one. They've spent over 10 million to get to that stage. They won't get rid of 25 detectives before they reach that final stage.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 12:17:14 AM
Its not about not giving up on finding a live child, its called an investigation with a budget....wherever it leads Theyve done no more much than the original investigation whch should also be clapped!! For the same reasons
Nearly 9000 sightings? you need to get a grip on reality maybe.
The point you fail to grasp is that if the original investigation had not been so badly botched Scotland Yard would not have been required to follow through on so many leads which had been ignored. One example of which are the British children assaulted in their beds.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 30, 2015, 12:22:51 AM
The point you fail to grasp is that if the original investigation had not been so badly botched Scotland Yard would not have been required to follow through on so many leads which had been ignored. One example of which are the British children assaulted in their beds.
It has been reported holidaymakers children (no toddlers) were molested, not abducted, hello..? Dont be so ridiculous..you can of course go hunting paedophiles to the ends of every country in the world if you like and then say, well, not every lead has been checked out
As for "botched" people in glass houses????
The mccanns ensured they botched the start by contaminating the so called crime scene...yawn...they also botched the investigation by crapping on the police from the start in every way you can thnk of...not as if they had an agenda was it? God forbid
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 12:29:58 AM
It has been reported holidaymakers children (no toddlers) were molested, not abducted, hello..? Dont be so ridiculous..you can of course go hunting paedophiles to the ends of every country in the world if you like and then say, well, not every lead has been checked out
As for "botched" people in glass houses????
The mccanns ensured they botched the start by contaminating the so called crime scene...yawn...they also botched the investigation by crapping on the police from the start in every way you can thnk of...not as if they had an agenda was it? God forbid
Please be assured it is not the responsibility of the victims to secure a crime scene ... that is one of the main diligences which should be carried out by the police.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 30, 2015, 12:31:48 AM
Please be assured it is not the responsibility of the victims to secure a crime scene ... that is one of the main diligences which should be carried out by the police.
its not up to you either to blame police for somethng they didnt do, duh!
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on October 30, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
Does anyone have a link to precisely what Andy Redwood said?. Preferably with a few sentences either side. I thought the gist of what he said was, approximatively: "we have identified a time slot when an abduction could have taken place and if it did it would have been a criminal act by a stranger".
100 per cent plus correct but some numbskulls here dispute the actual FACTS
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 30, 2015, 08:12:26 AM
I told you ages ago that they will investigate all possibilities and eliminate them until they are left with one. They've spent over 10 million to get to that stage. They won't get rid of 25 detectives before they reach that final stage.
I'm not really very interested in what you told me. I know for a fact that this is not how police investigations work. They don't spend millions of pounds and man hours investigsting child sex abusers and then decide, because they can't link any one of them to the crime of Madeleine's disappearance that it must be the parents wot dunnit. That is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 30, 2015, 08:33:52 AM
I'm not really very interested in what you told me. I know for a fact that this is not how police investigations work. They don't spend millions of pounds and man hours investigsting child sex abusers and then decide, because they can't link any one of them to the crime of Madeleine's disappearance that it must be the parents wot dunnit. That is just ridiculous.
Indeed.
If that's how the police operate - Kerry Needham must be worried to death in case the police don't find out what happened to Ben. Especially as no evidence of an abduction was found - and we only have the family's word for what happened. So what happens if no links to anyone else at all can be established? That only leaves the family.
In both these cases family and friends have been ruled out as suspects. The suggestion by some that if no perpetrators are found - the police will then conclude it was the family who did the deed is just plain silly - and is a product of major 'wishful thinking' on their part IMO.
AFAIK - taking into account the 'wishful thinking' of armchair detectives doesn't form part of a police officer's training.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 30, 2015, 09:42:53 AM
McCanns: We’ll never give up SUN EXCLUSIVE: £750k in Maddie fund
EXCLUSIVE by ANTONELLA LAZZERI published 10 hours ago
THE parents of missing Madeleine McCann yesterday vowed to carry on the search for her when the police hunt is over.
Kate and Gerry McCann have already ringfenced the rest of the cash in the Find Madeleine Fund, around £750,000, to pay for a team of private investigators — believed to be former police officers.
It will be the FOURTH team of investigators employed by the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics.
Yesterday The Sun told how the police hunt for Madeleine, who vanished aged three from Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, is being scaled down from 29 cops to four.
The Met’s Operation Grange could be shelved as early as the New Year amid complaints from MPs over its £11million cost.
But a source close to the McCanns said yesterday: “They are very much of the mind, ‘We will never give up’ and they won’t. They have spearheaded the hunt for Madeleine themselves before and will do so again if they have to.”
The family’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Should the need arise for a private investigation to be resumed, they have made sure they have enough money left in Madeleine’s fund.”
8 years of false leads, spiralling police costs and heartache
TWENTY-five cops who have spent more than four years searching for Madeleine McCann were yesterday preparing to clear their desks at Belgravia police station.
A staff of four officers will stay on the case for now — with the inquiry expected to be wound down completely in the New Year.
So how did it come to this eight years after Madeleine vanished?
No one could fail to sympathise with Kate and Gerry McCann’s plight and their endless courage in trying to find their daughter.
But last night serious questions were being asked about the wisdom of the ultimately futile investigation.
How could an inquiry that to date has cost more than £11million seemingly achieve so little?
The British taskforce, which at its height was 37-strong, has yet to make a single arrest, despite 560 lines of inquiry and 60 suspects.
It also became mired in a spending controversy with some cops staying in the £200-a-night five-star Hotel Dona Filipa during visits to Portugal. Last year there were 67 flights to the country by cops costing £16,000, with overtime on top.
So what were all these officers actually doing?
Lengthy process . . . £11m has been spent on 4-year-long hunt Lengthy process . . . £11m has been spent on 4-year-long hunt Chris Eades
A former Met Police officer who knew two Detective Chief Inspectors working on Operation Grange, said the mood among the squad is “muted”. He told The Sun last night: “Everyone wanted to do their best for Madeleine but they are not miracle workers.”
Another well-placed source added: “What seemed obtainable at the start seemed impossible in the end.”
Operation Grange was set up in 2011 after an open letter by the McCanns to David Cameron was printed in The Sun.
It had been four years since Madeleine, three, disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.
The McCanns were desperate for a British police review as they believed the Portuguese authorities had hopelessly bungled their investigation. Funded by the Home Office, it was initially given a budget of £5million.
The family were overjoyed by the move and certainly in the early days it offered them much hope.
Detective Inspector Hamish Campbell, the first head of Operation Grange, said within months that his team were investigating new leads, new sightings and new lines of inquiry.
Two years on, his successor Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood gave the McCanns the greatest hope of all, declaring: “I still genuinely believe that there is a possibility that she is alive.”
He added that his team had examined 30,500 documents from Portuguese police files and had identified 38 “persons of interest”.
He said the operation had shifted from “review” to investigation.
Arrival . . . UK police have travelled on 67 flights to Portugal, but no arrests Arrival . . . UK police have travelled on 67 flights to Portugal, but no arrests
By the latest count, the Met claims “7,154 actions had been raised” and 560 lines of inquiry identified. They had identified more than 60 persons of interest and 650 sex offenders were also investigated.
But the numbers mask the chaos going on behind the scenes.
In June last year UK search teams spent seven days scouring wasteland around Praia da Luz.
Sniffer dogs, helicopters and ground-penetrating radar were called in. TV crews and reporters from around the world flooded into the seaside village believing a body was about to be found — but nothing was unearthed.
Portuguese cops said all the areas had been already been searched several times since Madeleine went missing.
In July 2014 British cops flew to Portugal to question four new suspects. But they had to wait while they were quizzed by Portuguese police and were not allowed to ask questions themselves.
In December last year they returned to question another ten — with the same result.
To date, the operation’s most important line of inquiry was a three-man burglary team whose mobile phones placed them near the McCanns’ apartment at the time Madeleine vanished. But so far no one has been arrested or even questioned.
The winding-down of the operation will be welcomed by some.
In March soaring costs and lack of progress prompted Met Police Federation chairman John Tully to question whether it should continue.
He said: “We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world which have nothing to do with London.”
Luxury digs . . . cops stay in 5-star accommodation, such as Hotel Dona Filipa Luxury digs . . . cops stay in 5-star accommodation, such as Hotel Dona Filipa
Former Flying Squad Commander John O’Connor claimed it had been launched as a “humanitarian act” by Mr Cameron and the Met Commissioner. He said: “I’d hope the parents of any child in the same position would be offered the same sort of review.”
Madeleine’s case was always a special one. Never has a missing child received so much worldwide focus. Indeed, the average amount spent on investigating a missing child is around £2,400.
Last year 140,000 under-18s went missing, with campaign posters and a localised police investigation all most parents would expect.
It was Madeleine’s cute appearance that some believe ignited the huge interest in her disappearance. The image of her frozen in time aged three, huge blue eyes peeping out from beneath her fringe, captured the hearts of millions.
The constant looping of a video of her dancing at Christmas added further support and, within months, £1million had been donated to the Find Madeleine fund.
A powerful PR machine and the McCanns’ enormous strength kept the story in the public eye.
Kate, 47, previously told The Sun she and Gerry, also 47, will never rest unless they discover the truth.
Consultations are already believed to have taken place with private investigators who may be able to help them. But they have been here three times before.
The first team they hired were Spaniards, Metodo 3, in September 2007. Their director Francisco Marco boasted: “Madeleine will be home by Christmas.” He added: “We know who the kidnappers are and we are very, very close to catching them.” They were followed in May 2008 by Oakley International — an “A-Team” of former British special forces soldiers and US security agents run by Brit Kevin Halligen.
He was later exposed as a fraudster and jailed after being tracked down by The Sun. He was also alleged to have fleeced the Find Madeleine Fund out of £150,000.
The third team were Alpha Investigations, run by ex-RUC officer David Edgar and former Merseyside detective Arthur Cowley.
They were hired after the Portuguese cops shelved their investigation in the summer of 2008.
And after drawing yet more blanks, they stepped down when Operation Grange was launched in 2011. The McCanns, who earlier this week thanked Operation Grange cops for their “meticulous” work, can only hope their new private search will bring more success.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
The Three Man Burglary Team aren't going to answer any question. They are all Arguidos.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
If that's how the police operate - Kerry Needham must be worried to death in case the police don't find out what happened to Ben. Especially as no evidence of an abduction was found - and we only have the family's word for what happened. So what happens if no links to anyone else at all can be established? That only leaves the family.
In both these cases family and friends have been ruled out as suspects. The suggestion by some that if no perpetrators are found - the police will then conclude it was the family who did the deed is just plain silly - and is a product of major 'wishful thinking' on their part IMO.
AFAIK - taking into account the 'wishful thinking' of armchair detectives doesn't form part of a police officer's training.
Excellent summation.
As in Madeleine's case there are leads to be followed in Ben's case ... and the police will take following them to conclusion.
At the very least it is important for the families of missing children to know that everything humanly possible has been done with every lead investigated in the attempt to locate them or at least find out what may have happened to their child.
It is bad enough that the Drs McCann have suffered the trauma of losing a child but to be subjected to the vilification they have received over the past eight years is incomprehensible; particularly when much of it is intended to impede in every which way their campaigning on Madeleine's behalf.
Home Office: We will never close book on missing children like Madeline McCann and Ben Needham The inquiry by South Yorkshire Police into Ben Needham’s disappearance has progressed further than expected, according to Detective Inspector Jon Cousins.
Ben vanished on Kos with his mother and grandparents who were renovating a farmhouse in the village of Iraklise.
Det Insp Cousins said: "[The Greek authorities] have given us every assistance that we require and that's allowed us to really progress this a lot further than where I thought we would be at this time.
"We're going to continue with our efforts looking in to everything that we have so far and, as we're going along, we're turning up new leads all the time that are very interesting to use.
"We're going to make sure that we pursue each and every one of those to try and find an answer for ourselves as well as for [Ben's mother] Kerry and the family."
In May, an appeal made on Greek TV led to more than 200 calls and emails being received by the force and Mr Cousins said he had plans for a similar appeal on Kos. http://www.policeprofessional.com/news.aspx?id=24696
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 30, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
So we will get to the new year and discover that the original bungled investigation wasn't.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 30, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
It's clear that most of the results mentioned by Operation Grange in their latest update must have been achieved while Andy Redwood was leading the investigation. I wonder why, when the work was nearing completion he chose to retire instead of seeing it through to the end? Perhaps he had pressing personal reasons for going.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 10:12:26 AM
McCanns: We’ll never give up SUN EXCLUSIVE: £750k in Maddie fund
EXCLUSIVE by ANTONELLA LAZZERI published 10 hours ago
The Sun certainly seems to be on some sort of mission as far as Madeleine McCann is concerned ... and at the moment four detectives seems like a pretty good deal to me, considering the work that has been dealt with, the active leads coming from that endeavour and the back up they will be able to call upon if and when it should be considered necessary.
Not forgetting that as well as Scotland Yard's ongoing case ...
"Following the announcement, police sources in Portugal said their side of the investigation was ongoing." http://theportugalnews.com/news/uk-police-announce-massive-cut-back-on-madeleine-mccann-inquiry/36430?
So all in all ... a very respectable task force is still in place.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2015, 10:16:18 AM
..and what happens when they continue to find nothing at all ?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 30, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
..and what happens when they continue to find nothing at all ?
Will the McCanns really hire more PI's if the current investigations are closed? What on earth remains to be investigated? What could PI's possibly achieve that three investigations haven't?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2015, 10:31:07 AM
Will the McCanns really hire more PI's if the current investigations are closed? What on earth remains to be investigated? What could PI's possibly achieve that three investigations haven't?
Precisely G-Unit.
Just going around in circles.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 10:36:33 AM
..and what happens when they continue to find nothing at all ?
Your Chemistry skills may be adequate, but your English Comprehension would benefit from a little revision.
What is it that you fail to understand about the investigative elimination process which has narrowed things down to active leads which will be followed to their conclusion.
What an insult you deliver to the work Operation Grange has delivered to get to this stage.
I must say I find your negativity for all things pertaining to the search for Madeleine McCann, as well as loads of other adjectives ... interesting.
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 30, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
from the article linked by Brietta "Speaking to The Portugal News on Wednesday, a Portuguese police source said that while there are “about two or three other cases of missing children in Portugal, but we have a reasonable understanding of who might be responsible for their disappearance. However in the case of Madeleine McCann, we are yet to come up with a satisfactory explanation as to what happened to her”, saying that this a feature of the case that will keep it alive here even if the case into her disappearance were to one day be shelved".
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 30, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Your Chemistry skills may be adequate, but your English Comprehension would benefit from a little revision.
What is it that you fail to understand about the investigative elimination process which has narrowed things down to active leads which will be followed to their conclusion.
What an insult you deliver to the work Operation Grange has delivered to get to this stage.
I must say I find your negativity for all things pertaining to the search for Madeleine McCann, as well as loads of other adjectives ... interesting.
work for nothing though if you would get out of your denial you would realise 11 millon pounds wasted for nothing it said a normal missing childs case in the uk only 2500 pounds is spent why was 11 millon pounds spent on one child? when it didnt even happen in the uk?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2015, 10:41:19 AM
Your Chemistry skills may be adequate, but your English Comprehension would benefit from a little revision.
What is it that you fail to understand about the investigative elimination process which has narrowed things down to active leads which will be followed to their conclusion.
What an insult you deliver to the work Operation Grange has delivered to get to this stage.
I must say I find your negativity for all things pertaining to the search for Madeleine McCann, as well as loads of other adjectives ... interesting.
Ah, more insults again.
Again par for your posts.
The search for Madeleine Mccann ?
It is patently obvious they have found nothing and are chasing tails.
What part of that don't you understand ?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 30, 2015, 10:42:43 AM
Will the McCanns really hire more PI's if the current investigations are closed? What on earth remains to be investigated? What could PI's possibly achieve that three investigations haven't?
As Madeleines parents they will not be looking at this through policemen's eyes. i.e. as a 'case' which is being investigated.
Just like Kerry Needham they will never give up and until there is evidence that their child is dead - they will continue to hope their children may still be found alive. I would have thought that anyone who had children themselves would have no problem in understanding that.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Matthew Wyse on October 30, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
As Madeleines parents they will not be looking at this through policemen's eyes. i.e. as a 'case' which is being investigated.
Just like Kerry Needham they will never give up and until there is evidence that their child is dead - they will continue to hope their children may still be found alive. I would have thought that anyone who had children themselves would have no problem in understanding that.
you are of course assuming for a moment that they have disclosed everything...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 30, 2015, 11:12:57 AM
As Madeleines parents they will not be looking at this through policemen's eyes. i.e. as a 'case' which is being investigated.
Just like Kerry Needham they will never give up and until there is evidence that their child is dead - they will continue to hope their children may still be found alive. I would have thought that anyone who had children themselves would have no problem in understanding that.
I suppose it's up to them if they want to throw more money at it, although their previous investigators seemed to be more of a nuisance than a help. Perhaps they'll manage to hire a reputable company this time round.
Innocent parents would never give up, I do agree.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 11:19:04 AM
you are of course assuming for a moment that they have disclosed everything...
There has been sufficient scrutiny of the Drs McCann carried out over the years to enable that assumption. I take it you are not including Ben's mother in your statement?
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Post by: faithlilly on October 30, 2015, 11:30:47 AM
There has been sufficient scrutiny of the Drs McCann carried out over the years to enable that assumption. I take it you are not including Ben's mother in your statement?
Ben's mother was never a suspect in her son's disappeance. There was never any question of discrepancies in Ben's families statements and at no time did cadaver dogs alert to a dwelling or piece of clothing that any of Ben's family had worn.
That is the difference.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2015, 11:39:24 AM
work for nothing though if you would get out of your denial you would realise 11 millon pounds wasted for nothing it said a normal missing childs case in the uk only 2500 pounds is spent why was 11 millon pounds spent on one child? when it didnt even happen in the uk?
So according to your logic SY should have known beforehand what the results of their enquiries into leads were going to be - and should have known that it was all going to be a waste of police time and public money?
How any police force can be expected to know before investigating leads that they will result in nothing being found to help the investigation is incomprehensible to me. How can you rule out a lead - without first investigating it.
Back to front logic based purely on hindsight IMO.
Your resentment that so much money has been spent on Madeleine - somewhat contradicts your claims to have her interests at heart.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: colombosstogey on October 30, 2015, 11:54:03 AM
It is patently obvious they have found nothing and are chasing tails.
What part of that don't you understand ?
So much time, NOTHING. The girl simply disappeared into the night. I dont think there has been a case has there stranger taken, which hasnt been solved?
11 million pounds. So much needed doing in our own country.
If they cant find her now they never will, its like she never existed.
There is non so blind who cannot see what is right in their face, it will never have a resolution. IF it was going too it would have by now with all the detectives on the case.
No disappeared without a trace....one of the great mysteries of this decade.
Whoever took her, managed to complete the crime of the century, BUT oddly enough never did it again.....usually when pedophiles get away with it they do it again.
All very odd, but sad too I would have hoped between the two countries they would have been able to confirm the perpetrators of this crime.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 30, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
The only clips released by the Met on their youtube channel about the McCann case
11 OCT 2013
13 OCT 2013
19 MAR 2014
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Matthew Wyse on October 30, 2015, 12:50:59 PM
There has been sufficient scrutiny of the Drs McCann carried out over the years to enable that assumption. I take it you are not including Ben's mother in your statement?
answering the original investigators questions would have been a good start
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Post by: Matthew Wyse on October 30, 2015, 12:54:12 PM
So much time, NOTHING. The girl simply disappeared into the night. I dont think there has been a case has there stranger taken, which hasnt been solved?
11 million pounds. So much needed doing in our own country.
If they cant find her now they never will, its like she never existed.
There is non so blind who cannot see what is right in their face, it will never have a resolution. IF it was going too it would have by now with all the detectives on the case.
No disappeared without a trace....one of the great mysteries of this decade.
Whoever took her, managed to complete the crime of the century, BUT oddly enough never did it again.....usually when pedophiles get away with it they do it again.
All very odd, but sad too I would have hoped between the two countries they would have been able to confirm the perpetrators of this crime.
in my opinion there is only one mystery and that is where her remains lie in the Algarve
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 04:37:38 PM
So much time, NOTHING. The girl simply disappeared into the night. I dont think there has been a case has there stranger taken, which hasnt been solved?
11 million pounds. So much needed doing in our own country.
If they cant find her now they never will, its like she never existed.
There is non so blind who cannot see what is right in their face, it will never have a resolution. IF it was going too it would have by now with all the detectives on the case.
No disappeared without a trace....one of the great mysteries of this decade.
Whoever took her, managed to complete the crime of the century, BUT oddly enough never did it again.....usually when pedophiles get away with it they do it again.
All very odd, but sad too I would have hoped between the two countries they would have been able to confirm the perpetrators of this crime.
Yeremi vargas missing. Rene Hasee missing. Joana Cipriano missing. ~ conviction but no body Rui Pedro Mendonça missing. ~ conviction but no body Claudia Alexandra Silva de Sousa missing. Rui Pereira missing.
Katrice Lee missing. Ben Needham missing. Madeleine McCann missing.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Brietta on October 30, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I suppose it's up to them if they want to throw more money at it, although their previous investigators seemed to be more of a nuisance than a help. Perhaps they'll manage to hire a reputable company this time round.
Innocent parents would never give up, I do agree.
So does that mean if the McCanns never give up searching for Madeleine you'll eventually have to accept that they did not hide her body?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: G-Unit on October 30, 2015, 06:43:12 PM
I'll conclude that they also know that innocent parents never give up.
@)(++(* I figured that would be your reply - I've started a new thread on this subject, pending approval...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 01, 2015, 12:00:21 PM
The four officers must be looking locally because the McCanns made this a global search they are known round the world, which they seem to enjoy.
Now regarding the search where will they search? it is a very large world to get lost/hidden/buried. If paedophilia is a possibility then I don't fancy the chances of recovery alive. Some countries have this practice imbedded in their culture. Child brides etc. Many middle eastern and African countries. That is a lot of searching.
I just wonder if they used investigators to 'search' on their behalf because they wanted to control any information which may implicate them in any way with their daughters disapearance... That was me thinking out loud.
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Post by: faithlilly on November 01, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
The four officers must be looking locally because the McCanns made this a global search they are known round the world, which they seem to enjoy.
Now regarding the search where will they search? it is a very large world to get lost/hidden/buried. If paedophilia is a possibility then I don't fancy the chances of recovery alive. Some countries have this practice imbedded in their culture. Child brides etc. Many middle eastern and African countries. That is a lot of searching.
I just wonder if they used investigators to 'search' on their behalf because they wanted to control any information which may implicate them in any way with their daughters disapearance... That was me thinking out loud.
Quite possibly MTI. For me it's laughable that the McCanns are trying to sell the idea that their PIs, who have no access to important databases and no power to force witnesses to answer questions, could solve a case that four years, almost eleven million pounds and 37 police officers and civilians couldn't.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 01, 2015, 12:23:23 PM
Quite possibly MTI. For me it's laughable that the McCanns are trying to sell the idea that their PIs, who have no access to important databases and no power to force witnesses to answer questions, could solve a case that four years, almost eleven million pounds and 37 police officers and civilians couldn't.
Indeed Faith, As mentioned before it would be illegal if they tried to investigate outside UK. The case will be shelved for sure, with nothing written that can be evidenced. But I feel sure, that a statement will follow to absolve any parental involvement that is how these things work.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on November 01, 2015, 12:38:47 PM
Quite possibly MTI. For me it's laughable that the McCanns are trying to sell the idea that their PIs, who have no access to important databases and no power to force witnesses to answer questions, could solve a case that four years, almost eleven million pounds and 37 police officers and civilians couldn't.
That depends on what access, if any, they get to the OG work.
Zero access? Personally, I would not spend a penny on the sex offender angle, given that OG says it has investigated 600 or so of these. Ditto I would not spend cash on sightings, with 8,600 cleared.
Slightly more info? Technically, I assume they already have slightly more info. I would expect them to know if the T7 were re-interviewed, and how that went. They may also have information about other sources, such as the Smiths. If OG stops, the Smiths seem to be the go-to place to see if progress can be made on that angle.
A more detailed breakdown on the lines of enquiry pursued and rejected is an example of something they might, just might, get their hands on.
Quite a bit of info? With the number of interviews carried out by OG, a list of persons interviewed and found to be of no interest would be a good start. OG's finding re the PI work would be a bonus.
I doubt if they would get info on the reduced lines of investigation now being followed by OG. Nor on the sex offenders checked on, for obvious reasons.
That leaves the rather interesting issue of whether they can tackle this in a radically different way.
OG is sitting on the phone traffic at the time. The law dictates that this information is not passed out to private individuals, so the McCanns will not get their hands on that. This is a pity as it is one of the most promising angles for making progress, and OG does not seem to have done too much with it. The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can. Whether they choose to is another matter.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 01, 2015, 12:48:16 PM
"The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can. Whether they choose to is another matter."
I would be interested in what you are getting at. What different manner?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 01, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
I wonder what if any obligations The Met have to the Portuguese judiciary with respect to handing over info?
One can just imagine a group of PI's trailing around interviewing everyone who has been interviewed thrice over already. I wonder who will draw the short straw and have to re-interview the pig farmer.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 01, 2015, 01:08:15 PM
I wonder what if any obligations The Met have to the Portuguese judiciary with respect to handing over info?
One can just imagine a group of PI's trailing around interviewing everyone who has been interviewed thrice over already. I wonder who will draw the short straw and have to re-interview the pig farmer.
I wondered about that as well Alice, what if any information was/is being shared.
lol re the pig farmer.
It was mentioned somewere else that it was suggested the pigs could have been fed human remains. This disgusted me and made me feel quite queazy.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Eleanor on November 01, 2015, 01:21:31 PM
That depends on what access, if any, they get to the OG work.
Zero access? Personally, I would not spend a penny on the sex offender angle, given that OG says it has investigated 600 or so of these. Ditto I would not spend cash on sightings, with 8,600 cleared.
Slightly more info? Technically, I assume they already have slightly more info. I would expect them to know if the T7 were re-interviewed, and how that went. They may also have information about other sources, such as the Smiths. If OG stops, the Smiths seem to be the go-to place to see if progress can be made on that angle.
A more detailed breakdown on the lines of enquiry pursued and rejected is an example of something they might, just might, get their hands on.
Quite a bit of info? With the number of interviews carried out by OG, a list of persons interviewed and found to be of no interest would be a good start. OG's finding re the PI work would be a bonus.
I doubt if they would get info on the reduced lines of investigation now being followed by OG. Nor on the sex offenders checked on, for obvious reasons.
That leaves the rather interesting issue of whether they can tackle this in a radically different way.
OG is sitting on the phone traffic at the time. The law dictates that this information is not passed out to private individuals, so the McCanns will not get their hands on that. This is a pity as it is one of the most promising angles for making progress, and OG does not seem to have done too much with it. The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can. Whether they choose to is another matter.
Thank You. I so need some hope, as no doubt do The McCanns. It is The Phones, if anyone can comprehend that. Who spoke to whom, and when and from where. I do hope that The McCanns will get their hands on that. There are some things that even Scotland Yard can't deal with, having to stay within the bounds of The Law.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on November 01, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
"The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can. Whether they choose to is another matter."
I would be interested in what you are getting at. What different manner?
In the PJ Files, the statements are from those identified directly i.e. 'hunted' down as being of interest. Then the line of questioning is whether they noticed anything abnormal. Not what they noticed was normal, such as pedestrians or car traffic, but only the abnormal.
Personally, I would try to reconstruct where everyone was in Luz that night, what they were doing, who they saw or talked to, what phone service they were using, whether they made or received calls (to whom/topic). I would cover from around 5pm to, say 11pm.
This would refine out a vast amount of dross, leaving the rest as more valuable material.
There is no way of doing this on a one-to-one basis. So the method would be by a public appeal, asking such people to enter details in a form on the Internet.
Let me give you a couple of examples it might clear up.
If Tractorman was in Luz that night, my guess is that he was in Fernando's socialising with his buddies. Since Tractorman is dead, he is not going supply any further information, but the buddies might, just might, confirm his alibi.
Or take The Cave Bar at 3, Primeiro de Maio. It had a habit on a Thursday night of being frequented by the 'German club'. Was the German club in the Cave Bar that night? Can they provide each other with alibis? Did they make phone calls that night that can be scored off the phone list? Were the lady and gentlemen who ran the Cave Bar both working that night?
I cannot see why someone who can provide himself/herself with an alibi, ditto for buddies, not coming forward. PROVIDED such an appeal reaches them AND a very easy response mechanism is used.
Although this sounds complex, in reality it is a simple survey of the type carried out often, just in a rather unique manner.
Should the private money run out, providing this data to OG and asking for a further review is another potential option.
I have attempted to map all the establishments in operation on 3 May 2007 between 8:30 to 10:30pm and the list is long. Lots of places where people could provide alibis for each other.
There is one heck of a lot of potential information still to be gleaned, provided one does not get fixated by Tannerman or Smithman, or tackling this in a traditional police manner.
Oh, and I'd have the survey in several languages, and make sure the media in various countries, including Portugal, are spoon fed a tasty story to maximise awareness of it.
And frankly, I'd release details of progress at various stages, to keep awareness high. Who knows, I may yet find out what was on at the cinema that evening, when it shut down for the night, and how many people headed off into the night at closing time.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 04, 2015, 01:57:48 PM
Oh my @)(++(*
PJ police reveal: “We haven’t a clue who took Maddie” Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 03, 2015
As news that manpower behind Scotland Yard’s four-year investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is to be cut back to four officers did the rounds of the world’s press last week, a source from the PJ - carrying out a parallel investigation from Porto - admitted: “We haven’t a clue what happened” to the little girl who went missing from apartment 5a at Luz Ocean Club eight publicity-jammed years ago.
Despite all the police work - not to mention the millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money ploughed into Operation Grange launched in 2011 - police in Portugal say they are no closer to discovering the truth than they were on May 4, when Madeleine’s alleged abduction hit the headlines.
“This is worrying,” explained the source, “because in most cases where no-one is arrested or charged, we know what happened, we just can’t prove it. But in this case, rigorously, there is no definitive idea on what happened. We don’t know a thing.”
The source said it was “perfectly reasonable” to see Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation reduced to just four police officers after so much time, as now all material available has been analysed and it is time for the “second phase” - in which Portugal will be lending its full support.
“We have a great relationship with the Metropolitan Police,” the source confirmed. “And the PJ has never stopped worrying about this case. It is important to try and find answers.”
What was intriguing about the statement put out by Scotland Yard last week is that British police are no longer talking about an abduction.
The truncated investigation centres on “the disappearance” of the little girl. Sky News also refers to the case as a “disappearance”.
Talking to Sky last week, the McCanns’ press spokesman Clarence Mitchell said his clients were buoyed by the fact that eight years on they still feel there is no evidence to suggest that their daughter “has come to any harm”.
PJ police reveal: “We haven’t a clue who took Maddie” Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 03, 2015
As news that manpower behind Scotland Yard’s four-year investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is to be cut back to four officers did the rounds of the world’s press last week, a source from the PJ - carrying out a parallel investigation from Porto - admitted: “We haven’t a clue what happened” to the little girl who went missing from apartment 5a at Luz Ocean Club eight publicity-jammed years ago.
Despite all the police work - not to mention the millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money ploughed into Operation Grange launched in 2011 - police in Portugal say they are no closer to discovering the truth than they were on May 4, when Madeleine’s alleged abduction hit the headlines.
“This is worrying,” explained the source, “because in most cases where no-one is arrested or charged, we know what happened, we just can’t prove it. But in this case, rigorously, there is no definitive idea on what happened. We don’t know a thing.”
The source said it was “perfectly reasonable” to see Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation reduced to just four police officers after so much time, as now all material available has been analysed and it is time for the “second phase” - in which Portugal will be lending its full support.
“We have a great relationship with the Metropolitan Police,” the source confirmed. “And the PJ has never stopped worrying about this case. It is important to try and find answers.”
What was intriguing about the statement put out by Scotland Yard last week is that British police are no longer talking about an abduction.
The truncated investigation centres on “the disappearance” of the little girl. Sky News also refers to the case as a “disappearance”.
Talking to Sky last week, the McCanns’ press spokesman Clarence Mitchell said his clients were buoyed by the fact that eight years on they still feel there is no evidence to suggest that their daughter “has come to any harm”.
Lol kates tweedle dee and tweedle dum and incompetent p j, they will have the last word and she will eat all her words one day
delusion.....the PJ have suffered the indignation of seeing SY having to intervene due to their incompetence and their original SIO humiliated by several Portuguese judicial verdicts
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pegasus on November 05, 2015, 03:13:14 AM
delusion.....the PJ have suffered the indignation of seeing SY having to intervene due to their incompetence and their original SIO humiliated by several Portuguese judicial verdicts
But SY have a subsidiary role Davel - it is the PJ who are in charge. My guess is that the Operation Grange interviews of the T9 were only possible due to rogatory letters from the PJ - what do you think?
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 05, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
The MPS response is: The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.
High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.
from Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2011090001190 5 October 2011
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id282.html
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: mercury on November 06, 2015, 12:11:40 AM
The MPS response is: The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.
High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.
from Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2011090001190 5 October 2011
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id282.html
How does SY strict secrecy pile up with loads of newspaper reports for months and months on who and where and when they were looking for???
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 06, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
How does SY strict secrecy pile up with loads of newspaper reports for months and months on who and where and when they were looking for???
Elimination isn't their main focus. They released the efits but have released no names. The papers can write what they feed them about possible suspects or different lines of inquiry but it doesn't mean it's their main focus which is being kept secret.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2015, 06:21:41 PM
PJ leaking again is it? At least they admit two things: 1) Madeleine was taken and 2) they haven't got a clue.
1.) Yeah they know Madeleine was taken (removed from the apartment dead or alive)because the parents reported her missing ;as in not in their care. Duh.
2.) No one has 'clues'. Complete mystery. Millions of pounds, 3 PI's ompanies, Two Police forces and ZERO. Makes you wonder...
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 09, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
1.) Yeah they know Madeleine was taken (removed from the apartment dead or alive)because the parents reported her missing ;as in not in their care. Duh.
2.) No one has 'clues'. Complete mystery. Millions of pounds, 3 PI's ompanies, Two Police forces and ZERO. Makes you wonder...
1)Describing Madeleine as "taken" does not suggest that the PJ think the parents dunnit, well it doesn't suggest it to normal people anyway.
2) You've got a clue though haven't you (or at least you think you have) so why haven't the PJ? &%+((£
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
1)Describing Madeleine as "taken" does not suggest that the PJ think the parents dunnit, well it doesn't suggest it to normal people anyway.
2) You've got a clue though haven't you (or at least you think you have) so why haven't the PJ? &%+((£
Taken / removed same thing. She could have been taken away by one or both parents - dead or alive, nothing is ruled in or out. Hence they say they haven't got a clue.Tsk.
I am 100% sure they have a very good idea what happened, and are unable to get evidence to make an arrest / charge anyone at this point in time. But we live in hope. The truth has a strange way of showing up when you least expect it.
You do not know what I think, please do not presume you do. I have never claimed to know what happened to little Maddie, why are you suggesting I have?
Implying I am 'not normal' ( who knows how you gage that state of mind, without a consultation) is laughable.
as in hahaha hahahaha ha ha hahahaha!
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 09, 2015, 06:53:35 PM
Taken / removed same thing. She could have been taken away by one or both parents - dead or alive, nothing is ruled in or out. Hence they say they haven't got a clue.Tsk.
I am 100% sure they have a very good idea what happened, and are unable to get evidence to make an arrest / charge anyone at this point in time. But we live in hope. The truth has a strange way of showing up when you least expect it.
You do not know what I think, please do not presume you do. I have never claimed to know what happened to little Maddie, why are you suggesting I have?
Implying I am 'not normal' ( who knows how you gage that state of mind, without a consultation) is laughable.
as in hahaha hahahaha ha ha hahahaha!
The last line of the above diatribe reminds me very much of a song by Napoleon XIV - very apt.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 09, 2015, 07:01:51 PM
The last line of the above diatribe reminds me very much of a song by Napoleon XIV - very apt.
Very good Alf. We could do debate by song lyrics. Try thinking about this one: "Fearing not I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach"; My Back Pages ...Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 09, 2015, 07:11:17 PM
Very good Alf. We could do debate by song lyrics. Try thinking about this one: "Fearing not I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach"; My Back Pages ...Bob Dylan.
You know how I feel about Dylan. I prefer the Beatles.
nobody wants to know him They can see that he's just a fool And he never gives an answer
Title: Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2015, 07:12:33 PM