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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on November 22, 2015, 05:16:59 PM
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Did events have an adverse affect on the McCann's careers?
The question of breaking any laws was not determined until several months after Madeleine disappeared if I recall correctly and as I previously posted, it was only then determined by the Attorney General in his Archive Report. During that period the uncertainty of what was about to happen must have been extremely concerning for Madeleine's parents since a child neglect related conviction would have destroyed their careers back in the UK. My personal view is that they were extremely lucky to get away with a social workers review of their circumstances.
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Did events have an adverse affect on the McCann's careers?
The question of breaking any laws was not determined until several months after Madeleine disappeared if I recall correctly and as I previously posted, it was only then determined by the Attorney General in his Archive Report. During that period the uncertainty of what was about to happen must have been extremely concerning for Madeleine's parents since a child neglect related conviction would have destroyed their careers back in the UK. My personal view is that they were extremely lucky to get away with a social workers review of their circumstances.
those charges would not have destroyed their careers back in the UK...
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those charges would not have destroyed their careers back in the UK...
Judging by the criminals who still practice as doctors I would agree to not destroy. It could have an impact on career progression though.
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those charges would not have destroyed their careers back in the UK...
Well the events certainly destroyed one of their careers without being charged so one can only but imagine what impact it would have had on the others had things progressed further.
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Well the events certainly destroyed one of their careers without being charged so one can only but imagine what impact it would have had on the others had things progressed further.
you are wrong...kate's career is not destroyed.....she is still a registered doctor and can work whenever she wants...locum GP's currently earning £600 plus per day
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Well the events certainly destroyed one of their careers without being charged so one can only but imagine what impact it would have had on the others had things progressed further.
I think reputation is a big driving factor, a couple from humble backgrounds working hard to become doctors are probably concerned about anything that could cast a shadow over their social rise.
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I think reputation is a big driving factor, a couple from humble backgrounds working hard to become doctors are probably concerned about anything that could cast a shadow over their social rise.
It makes you wonder then why they didn't slink away into the shadows once the initial investigation was over and emigrate somewhere where their name and faces were less recognizable, like Canada or New Zealand, doesn't it...? Instead they chose to remain in the spotlight to highlight their child's disappearance, irrespective of the fact that a sizeable proportion of the GBP appeared (if online commentary is to be taken as representative) to find them utterly beyond the pale.
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It makes you wonder then why they didn't slink away into the shadows once the initial investigation was over and emigrate somewhere where their name and faces were less recognizable, like Canada or New Zealand, doesn't it...? Instead they chose to remain in the spotlight to highlight their child's disappearance, irrespective of the fact that a sizeable proportion of the GBP appeared (if online commentary is to be taken as representative) to find them utterly beyond the pale.
Perhaps they had no choice after claiming abduction.
For if there was no abduction losing their jobs would be the least of their problems.
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you are wrong...kate's career is not destroyed.....she is still a registered doctor and can work whenever she wants...locum GP's currently earning £600 plus per day
She would have to get her licence to practice back first.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/relinquish_options.asp
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She would have to get her licence to practice back first.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/relinquish_options.asp
The events of 2007 would not stand in the way of her getting her licence back.
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The events of 2007 would not stand in the way of her getting her licence back.
...and what if the abduction was made up to excuse their 'responsible parenting skills' ?
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The events of 2007 would not stand in the way of her getting her licence back.
I don't suppose they would. The GMC isn't all that fussy, after all. I have to wonder how many GP surgeries would welcome such a notorious locum, however. Do doctors give childcare advice?
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I think reputation is a big driving factor, a couple from humble backgrounds working hard to become doctors are probably concerned about anything that could cast a shadow over their social rise.
So do you think everyone from humble beginnings love their reputations more than their children? Or is that just the McCanns? Can you suggest anything from their lives before that holiday which even hinted they were social climbers. According to people who knew them - they were just normal loving parents - who rarely went out once they had a family.
Peddling to work on a pushbike as Gerry does - hardly seems to fit in with a desperate desire to be recognised 'socially' - a craving for which (according to some) - is so important to them that they wouldn't think twice about getting rid of one of their children - if they inconveniently got in the way of their 'progress' up the social ladder.
I've never heard such nonsense -and as usual not a shred of evidence to support it.
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why do you assume I'm being bitchy or making barbed comments? I think you're being over-sensitive and seeing slights where none exist.
Doctors are assumed to be intelligent, so they would surely consider different scenarios when considering a locum application. I can easily imagine a situation where a patient being offered childcare advice by this doctor may have little or no faith in her opinions.
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why do you assume I'm being bitchy or making barbed comments? I think you're being over-sensitive and seeing slights where none exist.
Doctors are assumed to be intelligent, so they would surely consider different scenarios when considering a locum application. I can easily imagine a situation where a patient being offered childcare advice by this doctor may have little or no faith in her opinions.
"The GMC isn't all that fussy", Kate McCann is "notorious", and the quip about childcare advice, you don't have to be a genius to work it out!
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I don't suppose they would. The GMC isn't all that fussy, after all. I have to wonder how many GP surgeries would welcome such a notorious locum, however. Do doctors give childcare advice?
G.Ps sit on the "secret squirrel" committees that deal with children at risk and the associated register.
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If Kate & Gerry McCann, after being investigated by police and social services, are considered responsible enough to look after their own children, I see no reason why they would not also be considered responsible enough to continue in their chosen careers following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. There's always the possibility that some sanctimonious, unpleasant person would use the opportunity of a consultation with either parent to berate them for their actions in PdL, but that's life I guess - you're always going to run into the odd tosser now and again.
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If Kate & Gerry McCann, after being investigated by police and social services, are considered responsible enough to look after their own children, I see no reason why they would not also be considered responsible enough to continue in their chosen careers following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. There's always the possibility that some sanctimonious, unpleasant person would use the opportunity of a consultation with either parent to berate them for their actions in PdL, but that's life I guess - you're always going to run into the odd tosser now and again.
Perhaps the people who question the mccanns giving advice to others would view the mccanns in the same way.
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you are wrong...kate's career is not destroyed.....she is still a registered doctor and can work whenever she wants...locum GP's currently earning £600 plus per day
She has never worked as a doctor since Madeleine disappeared so her career has for all intents and purposes gone. Just put yourself in her position for a moment, a GP in any community is supposed to lead by example...need I say any more?
eta if I found out that my GP had called a detective a f..king tosser just for doing his job she wouldn't be my GP very long!
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The events of 2007 would not stand in the way of her getting her licence back.
Claiming to be a destroyed woman might though.
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Claiming to be a destroyed woman might though.
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G.Ps sit on the "secret squirrel" committees that deal with children at risk and the associated register.
not all GP's do...
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not all GP's do...
Show me where I said "all".
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I don't suppose they would. The GMC isn't all that fussy, after all. I have to wonder how many GP surgeries would welcome such a notorious locum, however. Do doctors give childcare advice?
sorry to disappoint you but surgeries are desperate for GPs with Kate's experience..so are patients
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The GMC isn't all that fussy;
The GMC's fitness to practise panel found her guilty of 'multiple instances of serious professional misconduct' and said her behaviour was 'inappropriate, potentially hazardous and/or not in the best interests' of her patients.
Yet it allowed her to continue practising,
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247000/Dr-Jane-Barton-escapes-struck-prescribing-potentially-hazardous-levels-drugs.html#ixzz3sPiDnHMk
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This is what I have pointed out...it would not have been the end of their career even if the had been found guilty of neglect
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sorry to disappoint you but surgeries are desperate for GPs with Kate's experience..so are patients
Really ?
Locums are ten a penny.
Besides, when did she last practice ?
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sorry to disappoint you but surgeries are desperate for GPs with Kate's experience..so are patients
What experience? Fourteen months? They must be desperate.
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What experience? Fourteen months? They must be desperate.
14 months as a GP, and years of experience working in maternity wards, and as an anaesthetist in hospitals. How much experience do you feel a GP needs before then can be considered experienced?
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What experience? Fourteen months? They must be desperate.
you really don't understand the medical profession do you...but yes...they are desperate...extremely desperate...that's why GMC will do anything to avoid striking off a doctor
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14 months as a GP, and years of experience working in maternity wards, and as an anaesthetist in hospitals. How much experience do you feel a GP needs before then can be considered experienced?
plus 3 years specialist GP training
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plus 3 years specialist GP training
She didn't do that.
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She didn't do that.
then she must have had sufficient experience to be exempt..........I know you find this hard to accept but Kate is an experienced and valued doctor ....at present the NHS is employing doctors from abroad whose training is not of the standard of the UK and whose language skills are poor
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there are already lay people on the FTP panels...as many of the FTP cases involve medical decisions it would be difficult to have these decisions taken without doctors
Perhaps you should look up cases where criminal behaviour and warnings were given to the GMC, but they took no action, in some cases when it was too late, as with Shipman and T. Healy.
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then she must have had sufficient experience to be exempt..........I know you find this hard to accept but Kate is an experienced and valued doctor ....at present the NHS is employing doctors from abroad whose training is not of the standard of the UK and whose language skills are poor
Valued by who ?
She has no licence to practice.
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valued by anyone who knows anything about medicine...and I'm sure by her previous patients
Cites ?
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so you are now asking for cites for a post that you described as meaningless...have you worked out what it means now
I was taking the mickey.
You can't back up what you said about her. 8(0(*
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All academic from 2008 until now
I’m sure Gerry’s approach is healthier, but I reacted differently. With Madeleine constantly in my head, trying to return to my old life would have felt to me as if I were somehow pushing her to one side, and I simply couldn’t do it. It has been essential that Madeleine, and the rest of my family, remain my priority and I wanted to be around more for Sean and Amelie than would have been possible had I returned to general practice. I wonder, too, if I’d actually be able to cope with it now. All GPs have a handful of patients who present with comparatively trivial problems. In view of what I’ve been through, and am going through still, I’d be concerned I wouldn’t have quite the sympathetic ear I once possessed. And I’m sure some of my patients would undoubtedly find it awkward dealing with me, too.
On a practical level, there has been too much to do in any case, especially more recently. Although I have been blessed with plenty of willing helpers, even handling the mail is virtually a full-time job, and some projects, such as analysing the PJ files once they were released to us, have involved months of work.
Madeleine by K Mccann
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All academic from 2008 until now
I’m sure Gerry’s approach is healthier, but I reacted differently. With Madeleine constantly in my head, trying to return to my old life would have felt to me as if I were somehow pushing her to one side, and I simply couldn’t do it. It has been essential that Madeleine, and the rest of my family, remain my priority and I wanted to be around more for Sean and Amelie than would have been possible had I returned to general practice. I wonder, too, if I’d actually be able to cope with it now. All GPs have a handful of patients who present with comparatively trivial problems. In view of what I’ve been through, and am going through still, I’d be concerned I wouldn’t have quite the sympathetic ear I once possessed. And I’m sure some of my patients would undoubtedly find it awkward dealing with me, too.
On a practical level, there has been too much to do in any case, especially more recently. Although I have been blessed with plenty of willing helpers, even handling the mail is virtually a full-time job, and some projects, such as analysing the PJ files once they were released to us, have involved months of work.
Madeleine by K Mccann
seven years old...wonder if she feels the same now
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seven years old...wonder if she feels the same now
Probably not. She has a new life and new career. All has worked out well, some people would just grieve for years, quietly, with dignity. Like The Moors parents. They KNEW something horrific befell their children. McCANNS are convinced Maddie is going to walk through the door any day... after being lovingly looked after by kindly people...Of course they will sell the rights to that story to Disney! Or is there already a film called 'happy ever after'?
So maybe the 'abduction' will be 'alls well that ended well..
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G.Ps sit on the "secret squirrel" committees that deal with children at risk and the associated register.
Also with the new community partnerships they write reports about parental fitness of people who are seeking children up for adoption/foster care and social service referrals on medical evidence regarding the mental state of children who may be at risk. They look for 'signs' of abuse.. a harmless fall by a child has ended up children being removed from their families. They also have a heavy influence regarding mental health state and prescribed drugs etc. Can you imagine Kate calling anyone an unfit parent? can you imagine her having a say on someones mental health her being a known person who has suffered depression herself? and as for children at risk? she wouldn't have a clue on that one.
GP's have a thourough child protection remit. They can be the first port of call by a concerned member of the family - or they can notify social services or paediatricians of suspected abuse. For Kate to claim they felt safe leaving their children alone with an unlocked door is just piffle! SHE knows what Health AND Safety risks are.
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Probably not. She has a new life and new career. All has worked out well, some people would just grieve for years, quietly, with dignity. Like The Moors parents. They KNEW something horrific befell their children. McCANNS are convinced Maddie is going to walk through the door any day... after being lovingly looked after by kindly people...Of course they will sell the rights to that story to Disney! Or is there already a film called 'happy ever after'?
So maybe the 'abduction' will be 'alls well that ended well..
I doubt very much if the McCann's believe that Madeleine will walk through the door any day. They don't know what has befallen Madeleine, no doubt they hope she is still alive and maybe has been illegally adopted, but they are intelligent people and are in my opinion have always been bracing themselves for the worse scenario.
As to the film, well there was a film about Elizabeth Smart not a Disney production though, more of a harrowing story of what Elizabeth had gone through and the parents, as the father was under suspicion.
I really can't believe how posters like you can be so flippant about a missing child.
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Probably not. She has a new life and new career. All has worked out well, some people would just grieve for years, quietly, with dignity. Like The Moors parents. They KNEW something horrific befell their children. McCANNS are convinced Maddie is going to walk through the door any day... after being lovingly looked after by kindly people...Of course they will sell the rights to that story to Disney! Or is there already a film called 'happy ever after'?
So maybe the 'abduction' will be 'alls well that ended well..
Unfortunately for Kate her career required daily contact with the public as a GP, Gerry on the other hand has the luxury of choosing who he has contact with. In addition, it was Kate who generated most controversy, those unanswered questions, the alleged deal with the PJ and the book supposedly authored by her in which she demonizes several serving officers in the Portuguese police. Given that history I feel a return to any job in a public service will be fraught with difficulty.
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I can't believe that she publicly criticised her former patients in her book. P
All academic from 2008 until now
I’m sure Gerry’s approach is healthier, but I reacted differently. With Madeleine constantly in my head, trying to return to my old life would have felt to me as if I were somehow pushing her to one side, and I simply couldn’t do it. It has been essential that Madeleine, and the rest of my family, remain my priority and I wanted to be around more for Sean and Amelie than would have been possible had I returned to general practice. I wonder, too, if I’d actually be able to cope with it now. All GPs have a handful of patients who present with comparatively trivial problems. In view of what I’ve been through, and am going through still, I’d be concerned I wouldn’t have quite the sympathetic ear I once possessed. And I’m sure some of my patients would undoubtedly find it awkward dealing with me, too.
On a practical level, there has been too much to do in any case, especially more recently. Although I have been blessed with plenty of willing helpers, even handling the mail is virtually a full-time job, and some projects, such as analysing the PJ files once they were released to us, have involved months of work.
Madeleine by K Mccann
Most GP's know that their patients are as varied as all human beings. Some won't go to their GP at any cost, others present with 'trivial problems'. A good GP finds out why. It may be they're worried about their health and need reassurance, it may be that they're lonely and need human contact. Quite often it's a cry for help of some kind. Kate doesn't seem to have understood that.
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I can't believe that she publicly criticised her former patients in her book. P
Most GP's know that their patients are as varied as all human beings. Some won't go to their GP at any cost, others present with 'trivial problems'. A good GP finds out why. It may be they're worried about their health and need reassurance, it may be that they're lonely and need human contact. Quite often it's a cry for help of some kind. Kate doesn't seem to have understood that.
Its you who doesn't understand and want to twist Kate's words...kate talks about a handful of patients. You have absolutely no idea what sort of GP kate was
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I can't believe that she publicly criticised her former patients in her book. P
Most GP's know that their patients are as varied as all human beings. Some won't go to their GP at any cost, others present with 'trivial problems'. A good GP finds out why. It may be they're worried about their health and need reassurance, it may be that they're lonely and need human contact. Quite often it's a cry for help of some kind. Kate doesn't seem to have understood that.
And you don't seem able to comprehend the effect of what losing a child, fate unknown, can have on a person.
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Unfortunately for Kate her career required daily contact with the public as a GP, Gerry on the other hand has the luxury of choosing who he has contact with. In addition, it was Kate who generated most controversy, those unanswered questions, the alleged deal with the PJ and the book supposedly authored by her in which she demonizes several serving officers in the Portuguese police. Given that history I feel a return to any job in a public service will be fraught with difficulty.
Gerrry sees the general public and does not choose who he sees. I happen to know first hand that Gerry had tremendous support at Leicester from students and staff
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Gerrry sees the general public and does not choose who he sees. I happen to know first hand that Gerry had tremendous support at Leicester from students and staff
Well provide cites to show that is true.
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Its you who doesn't understand and want to twist Kate's words...kate talks about a handful of patients. You have absolutely no idea what sort of GP kate was
There is no need to twist her words, they're quite clear. I'm not a GP but I'm able to think of underlying reasons why people might go to their GP with a 'trivial problem'. She seems unaware that there could be deeper reasons or she wouldn't have used that example. Some problems are obvious and serious, others are more complex.
You also have no idea what sort of GP Kate was.
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Events in Portugal had a shattering effect on the lives of the McCann family.
When they arrived in Portugal there were five of them. When they left for home there were four. Their eldest daughter was missing without trace. They didn't know where in the world she was. They didn't know whether she was dead or alive.
Whether or not that had an adverse affect on their careers probably meant very little indeed indeed to them. What business it is of those who have claimed every trivial aspect of their lives for public scrutiny?
Such obsession with meddling in other people's private and professional lives is more than intrusive.
What they have done in their careers is actually nobody's business.
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There is no need to twist her words, they're quite clear. I'm not a GP but I'm able to think of underlying reasons why people might go to their GP with a 'trivial problem'. She seems unaware that there could be deeper reasons or she wouldn't have used that example. Some problems are obvious and serious, others are more complex.
You also have no idea what sort of GP Kate was.
You have twisted her words...Kate is talking about a handful...half a dozen...out of a list of probably 2 to 3 thousand...the pateints who continually waste doctors time
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Events in Portugal had a shattering effect on the lives of the McCann family.
When they arrived in Portugal there were five of them. When they left for home there were four. Their eldest daughter was missing without trace. They didn't know where in the world she was. They didn't know whether she was dead or alive.
Whether or not that had an adverse affect on their careers probably meant very little indeed indeed to them. What business it is of those who have claimed every trivial aspect of their lives for public scrutiny?
Such obsession with meddling in other people's private and professional lives is more than intrusive.
What they have done in their careers is actually nobody's business.
Self imposed by two irresponsible parents, who exhibited no common sense at all.
Locked the apartment during daytime, left it open at night.
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Events in Portugal had a shattering effect on the lives of the McCann family.
When they arrived in Portugal there were five of them. When they left for home there were four. Their eldest daughter was missing without trace. They didn't know where in the world she was. They didn't know whether she was dead or alive.
Whether or not that had an adverse affect on their careers probably meant very little indeed indeed to them. What business it is of those who have claimed every trivial aspect of their lives for public scrutiny?
Such obsession with meddling in other people's private and professional lives is more than intrusive.
What they have done in their careers is actually nobody's business.
Whatever they put in the public doman is indeed the publics business if they chose to read and or comment...end of, cant have your cake and eat it
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You have twisted her words...Kate is talking about a handful...half a dozen...out of a list of probably 2 to 3 thousand...the pateints who continually waste doctors time
It's part of the job. All heathcare personnel have to deal with this problem; 999 operators, A & E staff. If she feels unable to cope with it she's done the right thing. Being unsympathetic or impatient would have been unacceptable.
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It's part of the job. All heathcare personnel have to deal with this problem; 999 operators, A & E staff. If she feels unable to cope with it she's done the right thing. Being unsympathetic or impatient would have been unacceptable.
didn't say it wasn't...and she has done the right thing. There are many doctors who are unsympathetic and impatient...so do you think they should all stop practising. We certainly would be short of doctors then...you seem to expect perfection..it doesn't exist.
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didn't say it wasn't...and she has done the right thing. There are many doctors who are unsympathetic and impatient...so do you think they should all stop practising. We certainly would be short of doctors then...you seem to expect perfection..it doesn't exist.
No, but they sound as if they would make ideal pathologists @)(++(*
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No, but they sound as if they would make ideal pathologists @)(++(*
I think it shows what a caring person kate is.....many doctors don't care about being understanding or sympathetic and just get on with saving peoples lives..
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I think it shows what a caring person kate is.....many doctors don't care about being understanding or sympathetic and just get on with saving peoples lives..
So a depressed person who keeps presenting with trivial problems as a cry for help wouldn't have a hope in hell of being helped by 'many' doctors in your opinion? There wouldn't be any 'life saving' going on if the patient gave up and harmed themselves in those cases, would there? Mental health is just as important as physical health.
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So a depressed person who keeps presenting with trivial problems as a cry for help wouldn't have a hope in hell of being helped by 'many' doctors in your opinion? There wouldn't be any 'life saving' going on if the patient gave up and harmed themselves in those cases, would there? Mental health is just as important as physical health.
as you are no doubt aware there are probably millions of depressed people not getting the care they need....anti depressants are often the wrong easier option...but now we are getting seriously off topic
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as you are no doubt aware there are probably millions of depressed people not getting the care they need....anti depressants are often the wrong easier option...but now we are getting seriously off topic
I will return to the topic then by saying that Kate McCann probably made the right decision to cease her locum GP work as she admits she no longer is able to offer the sympathetic ear needed by patients whose problems she classifies (possibly wrongly) as 'trivial'.
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I will return to the topic then by saying that Kate McCann probably made the right decision to cease her locum GP work as she admits she no longer is able to offer the sympathetic ear needed by patients whose problems she classifies (possibly wrongly) as 'trivial'.
and I will correct you by saying kate was only talking about a handful of patients. Having said that it is a very demanding job with an incredible amount of responsibility so it is not surprising that kate may find it difficult to cope with after her trauma. Fortunately I think most of the public are sympathetic...unlike some on here
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and I will correct you by saying kate was only talking about a handful of patients. Having said that it is a very demanding job with an incredible amount of responsibility so it is not surprising that kate may find it difficult to cope with after her trauma. Fortunately I think most of the public are sympathetic...unlike some on here
Does she say a handful?
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Does she say a handful?
if you read the post its the exact word she uses
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if you read the post its the exact word she uses
The exact quote is...
All GPs have a handful of patients who present with comparatively trivial problems. In view of what I’ve been through, and am going through still, I’d be concerned I wouldn’t have quite the sympathetic ear I once possessed. And I’m sure some of my patients would undoubtedly find it awkward dealing with me, too.
So G-units statement didn't need correcting.
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The exact quote is...
So G-units statement didn't need correcting.
as you questioned whether kate had used the word handful..perhaps you are not the best person to make such a comment....the post needed correcting
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as you questioned whether kate had used the word handful..perhaps you are not the best person to make such a comment....the post needed correcting
There was nothing incorrect in G-units post.
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There was nothing incorrect in G-units post.
imo there was...but I am talking about a post made some time ago today
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There was nothing incorrect in G-units post.
Kate's words actually demonstrate how caring and compassionate she is towards her patients by revealing that she didn't feel that in the circumstances she would be able to offer the sympathetic ear they all deserve, so for their sakes as much as hers she decided to withdraw from GP work, yet somehow G-Unit has used Kate's admission as ammunition for yet more criticism of the woman. Let's face it, there's nothing Kate can say or do that won't attract snide remarks from some people.
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Self imposed by two irresponsible parents, who exhibited no common sense at all.
Locked the apartment during daytime, left it open at night.
Once again you omit any thought or mention of the person/s responsible for invading the McCann apartment and abducting Madeleine. Obviously criminals do not merit the same ire the victims of their crime attract.
I wonder if he or she or them just picked up from where they left off in their careers? ... ever given that a moments thought? ... they've certainly been given a get out of jail free card by the people who have been expressing many of the sentiments espoused by you.
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Once again you omit any thought or mention of the person/s responsible for invading the McCann apartment and abducting Madeleine. Obviously criminals do not merit the same ire the victims of their crime attract.
I wonder if he or she or them just picked up from where they left off in their careers? ... ever given that a moments thought? ... they've certainly been given a get out of jail free card by the people who have been expressing many of the sentiments espoused by you.
You are sounding increasingly desperate.
It has not been proved anyone entered the apartment.
I presume you know of Mitchell's admission as regards that.
You're typing from a hymn sheet that has had it's day.
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Kate's words actually demonstrate how caring and compassionate she is towards her patients by revealing that she didn't feel that in the circumstances she would be able to offer the sympathetic ear they all deserve, so for their sakes as much as hers she decided to withdraw from GP work, yet somehow G-Unit has used Kate's admission as ammunition for yet more criticism of the woman. Let's face it, there's nothing Kate can say or do that won't attract snide remarks from some people.
I disagree, she demonstrates a cold lack of empathy for people who she has deemed fit to diagnose as 'trivial'. She is obviously very full of herself to think she is the only person to experience pain or mental torture.
I know a young GP who has been working while being treated for cancer, has three lovely children, and has been given maybe a year to live. She also tends to and empathises with patients who are lonely and seek help for psychosomatic pain. or trivial incidents as Kate would call them. Kate comes across as narcissistic and cruel. The Surgery is better off with out her type!
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I disagree, she demonstrates a cold lack of empathy for people who she has deemed fit to diagnose as 'trivial'. She is obviously very full of herself to think she is the only person to experience pain or mental torture.
I know a young GP who has been working while being treated for cancer, has three lovely children, and has been given maybe a year to live. She also tends to and empathises with patients who are lonely and seek help for psychosomatic pain. or trivial incidents as Kate would call them. Kate comes across as narcissistic and cruel. The Surgery is better off with out her type!
perhaps you would like to show this wonderful young lady your post....I'm absolutely sure she has every sympathy for kate
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perhaps you would like to show this wonderful young lady your post....I'm absolutely sure she has every sympathy for kate
You would be wrong on that score as well. She did work with one of those Doctors for a brief period.
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Kate's words actually demonstrate how caring and compassionate she is towards her patients by revealing that she didn't feel that in the circumstances she would be able to offer the sympathetic ear they all deserve, so for their sakes as much as hers she decided to withdraw from GP work, yet somehow G-Unit has used Kate's admission as ammunition for yet more criticism of the woman. Let's face it, there's nothing Kate can say or do that won't attract snide remarks from some people.
Perhaps if her statements didn't always appear so self-serving people may not be so judgemental.
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Perhaps if her statements didn't always appear so self-serving people may not be so judgemental.
self-serving, in your warped opinion. Kate is saying that she doesn't think she'd be able to offer the best possible care and attention to her patients and so has chosen not to continue working, and you see that as self-serving, others see that as being thoughtful and considerate.
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self-serving, in your warped opinion. Kate is saying that she doesn't think she'd be able to offer the best possible care and attention to her patients and so has chosen not to continue working, and you see that as self-serving, others see that as being thoughtful and considerate.
I was commenting on her statements as a whole.
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self-serving, in your warped opinion. Kate is saying that she doesn't think she'd be able to offer the best possible care and attention to her patients and so has chosen not to continue working, and you see that as self-serving, others see that as being thoughtful and considerate.
In the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance it is my opinion she would have been in no fit state to return to practice.
What she and her whole family has suffered is worse than a bereavement.
There is nothing to prevent her working as a GP in the future. For the past few years all her energies have been concentrated on raising her twins and working on promoting Madeleine's case in which she has achieved the impossible by getting it reopened.
I absolutely applaud her decision regarding her medical career ... and confess to total bemusement why it is an issue for some people.
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self-serving, in your warped opinion. Kate is saying that she doesn't think she'd be able to offer the best possible care and attention to her patients and so has chosen not to continue working, and you see that as self-serving, others see that as being thoughtful and considerate.
Have your demons gone yet Alfred? You tell 'em!
Kate also acknowledged that some patients may have a problem with her. She probably thought they would be embarrassed at her suffering. Given her lack of judgement I would have a problem if she was my GP.
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Have your demons gone yet Alfred? You tell 'em!
Kate also acknowledged that some patients may have a problem with her. She probably thought they would be embarrassed at her suffering. Given her lack of judgement I would have a problem if she was my GP.
Of course you would. You'd probably rather be treated by Shipman or Crippen, so deep goes your apparent loathing for this poor woman.
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Of course you would. You'd probably rather be treated by Shipman or Crippen, so deep goes your apparent loathing for this poor woman.
Strange comparison.
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Strange comparison.
Not really. Think about it.
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Strange comparison.
He is having trouble driving his demons out I think.
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He is having trouble driving his demons out I think.
I don't have any demons Alice, but thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread.
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Of course you would. You'd probably rather be treated by Shipman or Crippen, so deep goes your apparent loathing for this poor woman.
Squash those demons Alfred, I think they're getting the upper hand again ha ha. I have no feelings at all about Kate McCann. My emotions aren't involved at all in relation to this case or to those involved.
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Squash those demons Alfred, I think they're getting the upper hand again ha ha. I have no feelings at all about Kate McCann. My emotions aren't involved at all in relation to this case or to those involved.
I've tried squashing the demons of stupidity but unfortunately they're very resilient and keeping popping back up with ever increasing amounts of stupidity. What do you suggest I do next?
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I've tried squashing the demons of stupidity but unfortunately they're very resilient and keeping popping back up with ever increasing amounts of stupidity. What do you suggest I do next?
Shut up? That should silence them. 8(>((
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Shut up? That should silence them. 8(>((
Oh dear, I think someone would rather I didn't challenge their cherished views. ?>)()<
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Oh dear, I think someone would rather I didn't challenge their cherished views. ?>)()<
I was referring to your daft post about Shipman and Crippin actually. Was that you or your demon?
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I was referring to your daft post about Shipman and Crippin actually. Was that you or your demon?
You claim not to have any feelings at all about Kate McCann but you have made umpteen posts on this forum revealing a deep seated loathing for the woman, why pretend otherwise?
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You claim not to have any feelings at all about Kate McCann but you have made umpteen posts on this forum revealing a deep seated loathing for the woman, why pretend otherwise?
Pointing out the inconsistencies and peculiarities exhibited by 'the woman' as you (not me) call her doesn't mean I dislike her. Whatever you think I'm completely indifferent to her. Why should I dislike her? If anything I feel ever so slightly sorry for her.She's made a very uncomfortable bed for herself and it's all her own work, no-one else's.
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Pointing out the inconsistencies and peculiarities exhibited by 'the woman' as you (not me) call her doesn't mean I dislike her. Whatever you think I'm completely indifferent to her. Why should I dislike her? If anything I feel ever so slightly sorry for her.She's made a very uncomfortable bed for herself and it's all her own work, no-one else's.
If you truly felt any compassion towards her at all, you would surely refrain from making harsh criticisms and judgements about her continually.
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If you truly felt any compassion towards her at all, you would surely refrain from making continual harsh criticisms and judgements about her continually.
Why would anyone feel sympathy for a woman and her husband, who placed socializing above their children's safety ?
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Why would anyone feel sympathy for a woman and her husband, who placed socializing above their children's safety ?
Whatever one thinks or feels is their own business, honesty and freedom of expression and thought is never a crime, many have died defending it, probably some of the usual suspects fathers or grandfathers, or a right to be trampled on, what is bizarre is people demanding sympathy,emoaghy and respect....and if its not forthcoming you are another bogey man....its controlfreakery and people who demand it have the brass neck to criticise organisations like ISIL...maybe a shopping trip to the nearest glaziers might not go amiss
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Whatever one thinks or feels is their own business, honesty and freedom of expression and thought is never a crime, many have died defending it, probably some of the usual suspects fathers or grandfathers, or a right to be trampled on, what is bizarre is people demanding sympathy,emoaghy and respect....and if its not forthcoming you are another bogey man....its controlfreakery and people who demand it have the brass neck to criticise organisations like ISIL...maybe a shopping trip to the nearest glaziers might not go amiss
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What does accusing a grieving couple of causing the death of their own daughter, covering up the 'fact' of her death and launching a fraudulent fund in their dead daughter's name have to do with "honesty"?
And talking of grandfathers, Amaral accused Madeleine's of accusing the McCanns of sedating their daughter. Mr Healy never did.
But I'm sure Mr Healy won't sue.
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What does accusing a grieving couple of causing the death of their own daughter, covering up the 'fact' of her death and launching a fraudulent fund in their dead daughter's name have to do with "honesty"?
And talking of grandfathers, Amaral accused Madeleine's of accusing the McCanns of sedating their daughter. Mr Healy never did.
But I'm sure Mr Healy won't sue.
Grieving ?That normally happens after death
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Grieving ?That normally happens after death
One can grieve for lost innocence ... one can even mourn it?
One can grieve for lost youth. One can be sorrowful or saddened by many things.
Death is not the only occasion on which one can grieve ... check the dictionary.
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One can grieve for lost innocence ... one can even mourn it?
One can grieve for lost youth. One can be sorrowful or saddened by many things.
Death is not the only occasion on which one can grieve ... check the dictionary.
Interesting, thanks
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Whatever one thinks or feels is their own business, honesty and freedom of expression and thought is never a crime, many have died defending it, probably some of the usual suspects fathers or grandfathers, or a right to be trampled on, what is bizarre is people demanding sympathy,emoaghy and respect....and if its not forthcoming you are another bogey man....its controlfreakery and people who demand it have the brass neck to criticise organisations like ISIL...maybe a shopping trip to the nearest glaziers might not go amiss
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Of course. Totally agree. But, others obviously have the freedom to take you to task for it. Personally the sympathy card is quite effective on me, because I certainly don't claim to know the truth - ultimately I end up just going with my instinct and I still don't pretend to know really. I tend to side with the McCanns, because i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and personally if they are innocent I don't want to be on here lambasting them all the time. One thing I will say is that it is extremely hard to connect the McCanns with the disappearance of their daughter when you have a sighting across town, when Gerry was supposedly elsewhere and then collecting the body in that environment days later and going on a roadtrip. It's the basic logistics that I think are very hard to reconcile. Conversely it also hard to describe the abduction, but there a few ways I can think of and of course it only happened one way. When all is said and done I'm loosing hope that we will see a result.
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Of course. Totally agree. But, others obviously have the freedom to take you to task for it. Personally the sympathy card is quite effective on me, because I certainly don't claim to know the truth - ultimately I end up just going with my instinct and I still don't pretend to know really. I tend to side with the McCanns, because i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and personally if they are innocent I don't want to be on here lambasting them all the time. One thing I will say is that it is extremely hard to connect the McCanns with the disappearance of their daughter when you have a sighting across town, when Gerry was supposedly elsewhere and then collecting the body in that environment days later and going on a roadtrip. It's the basic logistics that I think are very hard to reconcile. Conversely it also hard to describe the abduction, but there a few ways I can think of and of course it only happened one way. When all is said and done I'm loosing hope that we will see a result.
Take me to task for what! An honest informed Opinion? like hell
As for the rest youre free to do and think what you like....unless the
Mccanns sue you and sew your mouth up
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Of course. Totally agree. But, others obviously have the freedom to take you to task for it. Personally the sympathy card is quite effective on me, because I certainly don't claim to know the truth - ultimately I end up just going with my instinct and I still don't pretend to know really. I tend to side with the McCanns, because i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and personally if they are innocent I don't want to be on here lambasting them all the time. One thing I will say is that it is extremely hard to connect the McCanns with the disappearance of their daughter when you have a sighting across town, when Gerry was supposedly elsewhere and then collecting the body in that environment days later and going on a roadtrip. It's the basic logistics that I think are very hard to reconcile. Conversely it also hard to describe the abduction, but there a few ways I can think of and of course it only happened one way. When all is said and done I'm loosing hope that we will see a result.
Extremely hard to connect &%+((£ He was elsewhere &%+((£ FACT: SY were searching for a body close to that sighting.
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Whatever one thinks or feels is their own business, honesty and freedom of expression and thought is never a crime, many have died defending it, probably some of the usual suspects fathers or grandfathers, or a right to be trampled on, what is bizarre is people demanding sympathy,emoaghy and respect....and if its not forthcoming you are another bogey man....its controlfreakery and people who demand it have the brass neck to criticise organisations like ISIL...maybe a shopping trip to the nearest glaziers might not go amiss
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freedom of expression can be a crime...get your facts right,..people do not have the right unreservedly to express their opinions
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freedom of expression can be a crime...get your facts right,..people do not have the right unreservedly to express their opinions
I never said they did einsten...try and rise above simple thought processes and also realise that in this case no one has commtted any crime for opinion expression,even if you wish so hard for it to be true lol
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Extremely hard to connect &%+((£ He was elsewhere &%+((£ FACT: SY were searching for a body close to that sighting.
Was he elsewhere though? When Kate alerted if it was earlier say 9.50 there is a chance it could be Gerry I suppose and basically no chance any later say 10pm given the Smith timing and we have witnesses placing Gerry at the table when the alert happened and then more witnesses shortly after. Whatever he needed to do the man would have to sprint as time was so tight and dumping a body, which will not be found is no easy task.
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Was he elsewhere though? When Kate alerted if it was earlier say 9.50 there is a chance it could be Gerry I suppose and basically no chance any later say 10pm given the Smith timing and we have witnesses placing Gerry at the table when the alert happened and then more witnesses shortly after. Whatever he needed to do the man would have to sprint as time was so tight and dumping a body, which will not be found is no easy task.
If Smithman is our phantom stranger abductor, why should time be tight? He was well away from the immediate search area when the alarm was raised.
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Sure, but we have another witness at about 10.10-15 if i'm not mistaken and apparently Gerry was initially inside the apartment. Very tight to basically sprint to wherever the body is and then carry that body to an undisclosed location and effectively conceal it well enough to be confident that it could not be found with no local knowledge... 10 mins in which to do the job? He'd be like a headless chicken imo... Also does not a change of clothing factor into this theory?
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Sure, but we have another witness at about 10.10-15 if i'm not mistaken and apparently Gerry was initially inside the apartment. Very tight to basically sprint to wherever the body is and then carry that body to an undisclosed location and effectively conceal it well enough to be confident that it could not be found with no local knowledge... 10 mins in which to do the job? He'd be like a headless chicken imo... Also does not a change of clothing factor into this theory?
This might have been largely luck and could have been moved later when few, if any, people were about. All Smithman ( whoever he was) had to do was get a small body away and concealed in an unlikely place where she was unlikely to have wandered to
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If Smithman is our phantom stranger abductor, why should time be tight? He was well away from the immediate search area when the alarm was raised.
Just to avoid any confusion, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the tapas restaurant when the alarm was raised.
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Just to avoid any confusion, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the tapas restaurant when the alarm was raised.
Have I said otherwise?
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Just to avoid any confusion, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the tapas restaurant when the alarm was raised.
At some time between 9.30pm and 10.10pm......
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Whatever one thinks or feels is their own business, honesty and freedom of expression and thought is never a crime, many have died defending it, probably some of the usual suspects fathers or grandfathers, or a right to be trampled on, what is bizarre is people demanding sympathy,emoaghy and respect....and if its not forthcoming you are another bogey man....its controlfreakery and people who demand it have the brass neck to criticise organisations like ISIL...maybe a shopping trip to the nearest glaziers might not go amiss
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you have difficulty in remembering what you have posted....you posted "freedom of expression is never a crime"...
well it certainly can be...
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Have I said otherwise?
Did I say you had?
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Just to avoid any confusion, Madeleine's father was sitting at the table in the tapas restaurant when the alarm was raised.
Are you that elusive independent witness then Brietta ?
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Are you that elusive independent witness then Brietta ?
Do you think everyone at the table was deliberately lying then Faith - including senior citizen Diane Webster?
Do you really think Fiona would actually encourage her own mother, the grandmother of her children to become an accessory to a heinous crime and perjure herself to the police - knowing she could end up being arrested in a foreign country - with her husband left on his own back in the UK. IIRC it was DW who told the police that when Kate shouted that Madeleine had gone - it was Gerry who said 'No she can't have' (or words to that effect).
Sorry that makes no sense to me. No daughter would allow their own mother to put themselves at such enormous risk by lying for anyone at all - let alone people her mum hardly knew.
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Do you think everyone at the table was deliberately lying then Faith - including senior citizen Diane Webster?
Do you really think Fiona would actually encourage her own mother, the grandmother of her children to become an accessory to a heinous crime and perjure herself to the police - knowing she could end up being arrested in a foreign country - with her husband left on his own back in the UK. IIRC it was DW who told the police that when Kate shouted that Madeleine had gone - it was Gerry who said 'No she can't have' (or words to that effect).
Sorry that makes no sense to me. No daughter would allow their own mother to put themselves at such enormous risk by lying for anyone at all - let alone people her mum hardly knew.
Faithlilly has already stated that she rejects the idea of a conspiracy involving the whole Tapas group, but perhaps she has now changed her mind.
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Do you think everyone at the table was deliberately lying then Faith - including senior citizen Diane Webster?
Do you really think Fiona would actually encourage her own mother, the grandmother of her children to become an accessory to a heinous crime and perjure herself to the police - knowing she could end up being arrested in a foreign country - with her husband left on his own back in the UK. IIRC it was DW who told the police that when Kate shouted that Madeleine had gone - it was Gerry who said 'No she can't have' (or words to that effect).
Sorry that makes no sense to me. No daughter would allow their own mother to put themselves at such enormous risk by lying for anyone at all - let alone people her mum hardly knew.
No I don't Benice. I believe that everyone was truthful when they reported Gerry being at the table at the time of the alarm. Unfortunately they were not asked specifically about the time of the Smith sighting.
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No I don't Benice. I believe that everyone was truthful when they reported Gerry being at the table at the time of the alarm. Unfortunately they were not asked specifically about the time of the Smith sighting.
why would the people in the Tapas group be asked about the time of the Smith sighting - they weren't there fgs!
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why would the people in the Tapas group be asked about the time of the Smith sighting - they weren't there fgs!
No-one knew about the Smith sighting until a fortnight after the event. Wonder how that would have played out if Jane Tanner had suddenly remembered seeing Tannerman at that remove.
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why would the people in the Tapas group be asked about the time of the Smith sighting - they weren't there fgs!
And that is why we will probably never know whether Gerry really was at the tapas table at the time of the Smith sighting.
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And that is why we will probably never know whether Gerry really was at the tapas table at the time of the Smith sighting.
We do know thanks to the fact that the Tapas group all agreed the alarm was raised around 10, the same time as the Smith sighting.
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Also, this:
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on September 27, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
So, based on Rob and the Tapas Restaurant staff testimonies the alarm can't have been raised any later than 10pm right?
Pathfinder: No way - he only had a couple of bites of his steak when Kate came running.
"He was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest (Russell) returned, at about 21.45. Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
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you have difficulty in remembering what you have posted....you posted "freedom of expression is never a crime"...
well it certainly can be...
Hmmmm!
I guess we need to tie down our definition of freedom.
People are free to express whatever views come without legal sanction (civil or criminal).
In Portugal, opinions, proven untrue (Portuguese civil libel law) that traduce reputation or lower standing violate their laws.
Amaral said Eddie "sniffed cadaver scent" all over the place, when neither Harrison nor Grime said the same (and, indeed, Harrison expressly said no incriminating inference could be drawn from the reactions of the dogs).
Amaral said Madeleine fell off a sofa after being overdosed with calpol and died. There is not a shred of evidence to support that canard.
Amaral accused the McCanns of launching a fraudulent fund in their (dead) daughter's name, and the Madeleine accounts are in apple-pie order.
Amaral accused the McCanns of hiding the body of their (dead!) daughter. There is not a shred of evidence to support the contention.
People are not free to disseminate falsehoods (at most charitable); lies (at worst); neither by the Portuguese constitution, nor by Portuguese libel laws
So that is all highly likely to be why Amaral has lost the libel trial.
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Hmmmm!
I guess we need to tie down our definition of freedom.
People are free to express whatever views come without legal sanction (civil or criminal).
In Portugal, opinions, proven untrue (Portuguese civil libel law) that traduce reputation or lower standing violate their laws.
Amaral said Eddie "sniffed cadaver scent" all over the place, when neither Harrison nor Grime said the same (and, indeed, Harrison expressly said no incriminating inference could be drawn from the reactions of the dogs).
Amaral said Madeleine fell off a sofa after being overdosed with calpol and died. There is not a shred of evidence to support that canard.
Amaral accused the McCanns of launching a fraudulent fund in their (dead) daughter's name, and the Madeleine accounts are in apple-pie order.
Amaral accused the McCanns of hiding the body of their (dead!) daughter. There is not a shred of evidence to support the contention.
People are not free to disseminate falsehoods (at most charitable); lies (at worst); neither by the Portuguese constitution, nor by Portuguese libel laws
So that is all highly likely to be why Amaral has lost the libel trial.
That is why Amaral is highly likely to have lost the libel trial ....
Have you ever read his book?
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Have you ever read his book?
Unfortunately, yes.
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Unfortunately, yes.
Not very well by the sounds of it.
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Not very well by the sounds of it.
If you didn't understand his book, that's your problem ...
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To swerve back on topic, did Amaral's libel (or Madeleine's abduction) affect the McCanns careers?
Well, Kate's career swerved in a completely opposite direction; while Gerry continues to practise as a doctor.
So I guess, yes and no.
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If you didn't understand his book, that's your problem ...
I think you have read between the lines, paragraphs and chapters.
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you have difficulty in remembering what you have posted....you posted "freedom of expression is never a crime"...
well it certainly can be...
It can be but in this case and in millions of instances around the world has not been. The freedom from extremist controlling governments, other institutions and certain powerful and/or influential individuals should be applauded and not attacked.
It goes without saying freedom of expression is a human right enshrined in law subject to certain constraints again in law. No one is saying it is perfectly fine to go around for instance calling religious fanatics to arms to kill all christians ..that is an abuse of freedom...but dictating what people should think or what opnion they should hold about cold police cases, and if they do not, they are immoral sub humans, is certainly not a good example of a progressive free society! Far from it. Its backward.
Being the recipent of an extended further exemplary education as you keep telling us seems not to have been as rounded as it could have been!
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Hmmmm!
I guess we need to tie down our definition of freedom.
People are free to express whatever views come without legal sanction (civil or criminal).
In Portugal, opinions, proven untrue (Portuguese civil libel law) that traduce reputation or lower standing violate their laws.
Amaral said Eddie "sniffed cadaver scent" all over the place, when neither Harrison nor Grime said the same (and, indeed, Harrison expressly said no incriminating inference could be drawn from the reactions of the dogs).
Amaral said Madeleine fell off a sofa after being overdosed with calpol and died. There is not a shred of evidence to support that canard.
Amaral accused the McCanns of launching a fraudulent fund in their (dead) daughter's name, and the Madeleine accounts are in apple-pie order.
Amaral accused the McCanns of hiding the body of their (dead!) daughter. There is not a shred of evidence to support the contention.
People are not free to disseminate falsehoods (at most charitable); lies (at worst); neither by the Portuguese constitution, nor by Portuguese libel laws
So that is all highly likely to be why Amaral has lost the libel trial.
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Typical example of misrepresenting what others have said. Nuff said.
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To swerve back on topic, did Amaral's libel (or Madeleine's abduction) affect the McCanns careers?
Well, Kate's career swerved in a completely opposite direction; while Gerry continues to practise as a doctor.
So I guess, yes and no.
No abduction
As to their careers, they harmed themselves.
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It can be but in this case and in millions of instances around the world has not been. The freedom from extremist controlling governments, other institutions and certain powerful and/or influential individuals should be applauded and not attacked.
It goes without saying freedom of expression is a human right enshrined in law subject to certain constraints again in law. No one is saying it is perfectly fine to go around for instance calling religious fanatics to arms to kill all christians ..that is an abuse of freedom...but dictating what people should think or what opnion they should hold about cold police cases, and if they do not, they are immoral sub humans, is certainly not a good example of a progressive free society! Far from it. Its backward.
Being the recipent of an extended further exemplary education as you keep telling us seems not to have been as rounded as it could have been!
my intelligence and education helps me analyse things accurately.....no one is dictating what people think or what opinions they may hold...it's when certain views are publicly expressed the problem arises...a progressive free society protects people from bigotry...that's the progressive free society I want to live in
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my intelligence and education helps me analyse things accurately.....no one is dictating what people think or what opinions they may hold...it's when certain views are publicly expressed the problem arises...a progressive free society protects people from bigotry...that's the progressive free society I want to live in
Intelligent educated people get things wrong just like everyone else, remember. The Mccann's being a case in point.
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Intelligent educated people get things wrong just like everyone else, remember. The Mccann's being a case in point.
of course we do...but we get less wrong than the less intelligent
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of course we do...but we get less wrong than the less intelligent
A completely meaningless statement because it can't be demonstrated as true or false.
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A completely meaningless statement because it can't be demonstrated as true or false.
meaningless to you... .....the board is absolutely full of meaningless statements....of course the trauma of the loss of maddie has affected their careers. Gerry seem to have soldiered on but it seems too much for Kate. I wouldn't be at all surprised if kate returned to general practice at some time
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meaningless to you... .....the board is absolutely full of meaningless statements....of course the trauma of the loss of maddie has affected their careers. Gerry seem to have soldiered on but it seems too much for Kate. I wouldn't be at all surprised if kate returned to general practice at some time
Don't forget, it was self-imposed.
THE ACTUAL SUFFERER WAS MADELEINE.
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Don't forget, it was self-imposed.
THE ACTUAL SUFFERER WAS MADELEINE.
the whole family has sufferred
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the whole family has sufferred
As a result of two parents actions, or lack of them, in doing what they should have done.
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The fact that kate is still registered shows that she must consider the possibility of returning to work
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The fact that kate is still registered shows that she must consider the possibility of returning to work
Are you sure about that ?
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Are you sure about that ?
why would she pay to be registered if she had no intention of returning to work
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why would she pay to be registered if she had no intention of returning to work
So how much is that then ??
Meanwhile , the kids are at school, what else does she have to occupy her ?
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Are you sure about that ?
The list of registered medical practitioners is on the internet and freely available to anyone who wants to view it.
http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/gmclrmp_enu/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=1iPZDo.UoejWrJ8iIFf.TD2K.nKQC6nZ1o1mm23VnygVKjRQ.i5N-cFyKVbw3jzGcfW98lzZQ1bqRsL5eigG-Skdqwnf8ieAd3I.Y4u6qpzYr3-O-9Ghk7msI0SpVpZ6YNeu6SVKfKFLlgt7V0YEvkPRItn8MtHYOOa40t3UbXSCjq2E7a4pEgJfoOIfwotAT4J-0t.aJQU_&SWEView=GMC+WEB+Doctor+Search&SRN=&SWEHo=webcache.gmc-uk.org&SWETS=1448897954&SWEApplet=GMC+WEB+Health+Provider+Search+Applet
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The list of registered medical practitioners is on the internet and freely available to anyone who wants to view it.
http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/gmclrmp_enu/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=1iPZDo.UoejWrJ8iIFf.TD2K.nKQC6nZ1o1mm23VnygVKjRQ.i5N-cFyKVbw3jzGcfW98lzZQ1bqRsL5eigG-Skdqwnf8ieAd3I.Y4u6qpzYr3-O-9Ghk7msI0SpVpZ6YNeu6SVKfKFLlgt7V0YEvkPRItn8MtHYOOa40t3UbXSCjq2E7a4pEgJfoOIfwotAT4J-0t.aJQU_&SWEView=GMC+WEB+Doctor+Search&SRN=&SWEHo=webcache.gmc-uk.org&SWETS=1448897954&SWEApplet=GMC+WEB+Health+Provider+Search+Applet
Quite appropriate to seek out as much information as possible if one is changing doctors for example moving to an area with which one is unfamiliar. Decidedly odd ~ and intrusive ~ if one goes to that bother to enable scoring points on an internet forum.
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The list of registered medical practitioners is on the internet and freely available to anyone who wants to view it.
http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/gmclrmp_enu/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=1iPZDo.UoejWrJ8iIFf.TD2K.nKQC6nZ1o1mm23VnygVKjRQ.i5N-cFyKVbw3jzGcfW98lzZQ1bqRsL5eigG-Skdqwnf8ieAd3I.Y4u6qpzYr3-O-9Ghk7msI0SpVpZ6YNeu6SVKfKFLlgt7V0YEvkPRItn8MtHYOOa40t3UbXSCjq2E7a4pEgJfoOIfwotAT4J-0t.aJQU_&SWEView=GMC+WEB+Doctor+Search&SRN=&SWEHo=webcache.gmc-uk.org&SWETS=1448897954&SWEApplet=GMC+WEB+Health+Provider+Search+Applet
I know how to access the info on that already.
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Quite appropriate to seek out as much information as possible if one is changing doctors for example moving to an area with which one is unfamiliar. Decidedly odd ~ and intrusive ~ if one goes to that bother to enable scoring points on an internet forum.
Even odder then, I'm sure you'll agree, if you have the link at your fingertips like ferryman.
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Even odder then, I'm sure you'll agree, if you have the link at your fingertips like ferryman.
Google is everybody's friend - instant expertise 8(0(*
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Google is everybody's friend - instant expertise 8(0(*
Sometimes google provides access to a pool of expertise, as in my link above.
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Sometimes google provides access to a pool of expertise, as in my link above.
So you are now an expert dog handler........ 8(0(*
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So you are now an expert dog handler........ 8(0(*
Or/and an expert googler... 8**8:/: