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Offline j.rob

A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« on: November 07, 2013, 11:48:53 AM »
Hopefully no news is good news - as in the police are carrying out a proper investigation and the media circus has stopped. In my opinion the key to this case is going right back to the beginning and investigating the days around Madeleine's disappearance. What the key witnesses did and said. Looking at the inconsistencies and so on.

There are some key facts that have been ignored or distorted by all the media frenzy.

1. The apartment was not broken in to - there was no evidence of a break in.
2. There is no evidence of an abduction by a stranger.
3. There are conflicting accounts of what happened on the days around Madeleine's disappearance from the key witnesses.
4. The parents and friends accounts of how often and when they checked the children are inaccurate/conflicting.
5. The parents did not join in the search for their daughter on the evening of her disappearance.
6. The parents criticized the police investigation from a very early stage, despite  not joining in to look for their daughter.
7. The parents insistence that their daughter had been abducted - they think by a paedophile group -  is inconsistent with their belief that it was safe to leave their children alone in an unlocked apartment.
8. The parents alerted the media at a very early stage. They employed their own detectives who were not experts in missing children cases.
9. the parents started up a Fund using maximum publicity and with celebrity endorsement to get public money.
10,. The parents have used money from the fund to sue people who do not support their abduction by a stranger theory
11. The detective on  the case, Amaral, was wrongly accused of beating up a woman who is now in jail convicted of the murder of her 8 year old.
12. The McCann's and their friends did not take part in a reconstruction of the evening which could have helped jog people's memories.
13, Jane Tanner's testimony was not convincing - she changed her story. The abduction theory rested heavily on her 'sighting' which has now proved to be irrelevant.

Offline Eleanor

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 11:55:48 AM »
Hopefully no news is good news - as in the police are carrying out a proper investigation and the media circus has stopped. In my opinion the key to this case is going right back to the beginning and investigating the days around Madeleine's disappearance. What the key witnesses did and said. Looking at the inconsistencies and so on.

There are some key facts that have been ignored or distorted by all the media frenzy.

1. The apartment was not broken in to - there was no evidence of a break in.
2. There is no evidence of an abduction by a stranger.
3. There are conflicting accounts of what happened on the days around Madeleine's disappearance from the key witnesses.
4. The parents and friends accounts of how often and when they checked the children are inaccurate/conflicting.
5. The parents did not join in the search for their daughter on the evening of her disappearance.
6. The parents criticized the police investigation from a very early stage, despite  not joining in to look for their daughter.
7. The parents insistence that their daughter had been abducted - they think by a paedophile group -  is inconsistent with their belief that it was safe to leave their children alone in an unlocked apartment.
8. The parents alerted the media at a very early stage. They employed their own detectives who were not experts in missing children cases.
9. the parents started up a Fund using maximum publicity and with celebrity endorsement to get public money.
10,. The parents have used money from the fund to sue people who do not support their abduction by a stranger theory
11. The detective on  the case, Amaral, was wrongly accused of beating up a woman who is now in jail convicted of the murder of her 8 year old.
12. The McCann's and their friends did not take part in a reconstruction of the evening which could have helped jog people's memories.
13, Jane Tanner's testimony was not convincing - she changed her story. The abduction theory rested heavily on her 'sighting' which has now proved to be irrelevant.

Most of the above post is bollox.  And the rest is twisted to suit.

Offline j.rob

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 11:57:20 AM »
Please specify which points are incorrect.

Twisted to suit who, exactly?

Offline Eleanor

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 12:18:51 PM »
Please specify which points are incorrect.

Twisted to suit who, exactly?

Can't be bothered.  All of what you have posted has been gone over many times on this Forum.  Do you actually know anything about this case?  Or are you doing it on purpose to deliberately mislead?

Cariad

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 12:21:19 PM »
Can't be bothered.  All of what you have posted has been gone over many times on this Forum.  Do you actually know anything about this case?  Or are you doing it on purpose to deliberately mislead?

It seems like a fair request Eleanor. You've just rubbished a members post, you should back up your assertion that it's 'rubbish' and 'twisted to suit'.

AnneGuedes

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 12:28:48 PM »
Hopefully no news is good news - as in the police are carrying out a proper investigation and the media circus has stopped. In my opinion the key to this case is going right back to the beginning and investigating the days around Madeleine's disappearance. What the key witnesses did and said. Looking at the inconsistencies and so on.

There are some key facts that have been ignored or distorted by all the media frenzy.

1. The apartment was not broken in to - there was no evidence of a break in.
2. There is no evidence of an abduction by a stranger.
3. There are conflicting accounts of what happened on the days around Madeleine's disappearance from the key witnesses.
4. The parents and friends accounts of how often and when they checked the children are inaccurate/conflicting.
5. The parents did not join in the search for their daughter on the evening of her disappearance.
6. The parents criticized the police investigation from a very early stage, despite  not joining in to look for their daughter.
7. The parents insistence that their daughter had been abducted - they think by a paedophile group -  is inconsistent with their belief that it was safe to leave their children alone in an unlocked apartment.
8. The parents alerted the media at a very early stage. They employed their own detectives who were not experts in missing children cases.
9. the parents started up a Fund using maximum publicity and with celebrity endorsement to get public money.
10,. The parents have used money from the fund to sue people who do not support their abduction by a stranger theory
11. The detective on  the case, Amaral, was wrongly accused of beating up a woman who is now in jail convicted of the murder of her 8 year old.
12. The McCann's and their friends did not take part in a reconstruction of the evening which could have helped jog people's memories.
13, Jane Tanner's testimony was not convincing - she changed her story. The abduction theory rested heavily on her 'sighting' which has now proved to be irrelevant.
The media have been immediately launched on the trail of poignant loss and innocence of victim vs guilty monstrosity and evil offender.
None of their narratives takes into account the crucial facts of this case, the truth about what happened isn't their purpose, they're investing in emotion. Nothing more.
And they find it justified since it keeps the case in the public eye.

AnneGuedes

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 12:31:34 PM »
It seems like a fair request Eleanor. You've just rubbished a members post, you should back up your assertion that it's 'rubbish' and 'twisted to suit'.
Absolutely. This is a rule, a common sense one, of this forum.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 12:32:00 PM »
It seems like a fair request Eleanor. You've just rubbished a members post, you should back up your assertion that it's 'rubbish' and 'twisted to suit'.

 cariad you should be able to see that quite a few of those points are just untrue...the Mccanns didn't search mantra ...when everyone knows they did. do you really think that everytime someone joins the forum we should have to go over the same things again and again just for the poster to disappear. As far as Im concerned if posters want to believe lies , then they may as well do that. Nothing we say will change their mind. Whats important is the truth... The MccANNS are not suspects

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 12:40:36 PM »
Absolutely. This is a rule, a common sense one, of this forum.

Is number 10 true ...surely you know the answer to that one

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 12:43:24 PM »
Absolutely. This is a rule, a common sense one, of this forum.

I think you have got this back to front...surely the rule of the forum is that if posters post things as facts then THEY have to back them up with evidence...perhaps you should correct your post

AnneGuedes

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2013, 12:44:22 PM »
Is number 10 true ...surely you know the answer to that one
Who pays Dra Duarte ?

Offline Eleanor

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 12:48:10 PM »
I think you have got this back to front...surely the rule of the forum is that if posters post things as facts then THEY have to back them up with evidence...perhaps you should correct your post

Thank you, Davel.  I would certainly like to see proof of what was posted as fact.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2013, 12:49:54 PM »
cariad you should be able to see that quite a few of those points are just untrue...the Mccanns didn't search mantra ...when everyone knows they did. do you really think that everytime someone joins the forum we should have to go over the same things again and again just for the poster to disappear. As far as Im concerned if posters want to believe lies , then they may as well do that. Nothing we say will change their mind. Whats important is the truth... The MccANNS are not suspects

Whats important is the truth... The MccANNS are not suspects


So they say, but Redwood saying they are not suspects(when asked) is not proof that they had no involvement whatsoever in their daughters disappearance.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Candi

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2013, 12:50:09 PM »
cariad you should be able to see that quite a few of those points are just untrue...the Mccanns didn't search mantra ...when everyone knows they did. do you really think that everytime someone joins the forum we should have to go over the same things again and again just for the poster to disappear. As far as Im concerned if posters want to believe lies , then they may as well do that. Nothing we say will change their mind. Whats important is the truth... The MccANNS are not suspects
  Hi Dave, didn't the McCanns admit  that they didn't search when questioned in one of their interviews  ?

Offline Eleanor

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2013, 12:51:18 PM »
Who pays Dra Duarte ?

None of your business. 

Who is paying Goncalo Amaral's Fees? 

Did I read something about A Fund? 

Not that I care.