Author Topic: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.  (Read 59351 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2014, 11:08:52 PM »
are murats interviews in the released files


Offline bros

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2014, 11:39:39 PM »
a media source or any source would be very acceptable please.
Seems getting back to the old stories is the way to go.
Ladies were staying there week before Mccains arrive they knew most of the people arround by the time Maddie was kidnapped. They claim Murat appearance immediately after alarm was raised. 

British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz3JqKw2mhW



They were positioned just above the palm clear view toward restaurant




Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2014, 12:15:01 AM »
doesn't have to be official but could still be acted upon

Acted on ? By whom ? Metodo3 ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2014, 12:26:52 AM »
Seems getting back to the old stories is the way to go.
Ladies were staying there week before Mccains arrive they knew most of the people arround by the time Maddie was kidnapped. They claim Murat appearance immediately after alarm was raised. 

British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz3JqKw2mhW



They were positioned just above the palm clear view toward restaurant


From the article it seems the sisters didn't mention Murat to the police, merely the blond men.

And yet another 'anonymous' barrister with 'information'. This case has certainly attracted more than its fair share of lawyer types !!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/434972/Missing-Madeleine-McCann-was-spotted-alive-weeks-ago
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2014, 12:34:27 AM »
For the benefit of those who can't read my invisible posts

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256

Sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire say they are 100 per cent sure they saw Robert Murat nearby minutes after Madeleine McCann vanished.

A friend said last night: "Jayne and Annie know what they saw and that is that."

Annie, 58, and Jayne, 54, holidayed at the same resort complex and got to know Kate and Gerry McCann and their three children.

They say they saw Murat, 34 - the first person made an official suspect over four-year-old Madeleine's disappearance - smoking near the entrance 30 minutes after Kate McCann reported her daughter missing.

They told Leicestershire police about it when they returned home to Ayelsford in Kent.

And they recently contacted Metodo 3, the private detective agency hired by the McCanns to find Madeleine.

The day after she vanished they told police about two suspicious men they had seen in a ground floor apartment overlooking the tapas bar at the complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

The McCanns were dining with friends at the bar when Madeleine went missing.

A source close to the investigation said: "An officer went with them to the apartment to check it. Murat appeared and acted as an interpreter. Annie assumed he was working for police."

That night Murat joined them for a drink outside a friend's apartment.

The source said: "He was passing and enquired if everyone was OK.

"They all thought his behaviour a bit odd. He was wearing a navy blue T-shirt and jeans. He was very sweaty and said, 'I must shower and change, I've been in these all day'.

"They felt that was strange because he had been in a striped shirt and trousers earlier.

"It was then that both the friend and Jayne Jensen remembered seeing him the night before at the scene.

"Jayne remembers seeing him outside the entrance, smoking cigarettes, between 10.30pm and 11pm.

"So every time they see him claiming he was not there on the night, they find it ridiculous."

British expat Murat was made an official suspect in the case almost immediately.

But he has always maintained he was at home with mum Jenny, 71, all night. She has backed his alibi.

The sisters refused to comment last night. But Jayne's son Joe said: "They had an exhaustive interview with the British police and stand by that statement."

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell also refused to comment.

Six people have claimed they saw Robert Murat in the vicinity.

The McCanns' friends Fiona Payne, Rachael Oldfield and Russell O'Brien say they saw him.

Charlotte Pennington, 20, of Leatherhead, Surrey, says he was hanging around reception - but when she confronted him next day as he translated her statement to police he denied it.

Two tourists told Metodo 3 they saw Murat walking outside the McCanns' flat.


Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2014, 02:03:50 AM »
Does anyone KNOW how tall Robert Murat is please?

He looks about average height in the photos where he is standing next to other men & Michaela, so probably about 5'9 - 5'10".

Offline sadie

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2014, 02:25:33 AM »
He looks about average height in the photos where he is standing next to other men & Michaela, so probably about 5'9 - 5'10".

I am thinking that he looks quite short on the one photograph recently posted.  Short legs.

Someone said 5'7" on here recently.  Is that right cos he always seemed fairly tall to me, prior to that photo.


Anyone know his proper height.?  Please

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2014, 05:46:59 AM »


Sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire say they are 100 per cent sure they saw Robert Murat nearby minutes after Madeleine McCann vanished.


So question 1.

What were they doing minutes after the child went missing hanging around the McCanns flat? We are led to beleive it was like the Marie Celeste that night in PDL, no one walking around anywhere, so how come two biddies clocked Murat outside or near to the McCanns flat....what were they doing there themselves? MINUTES we are talking about....but he was empty handed?

question 2. How did they see him so clearly it was dark at 10.05?

Its more likely if they saw anyone they saw David Payne, and  looks remarkably like Murat, and was outside or nearto the flat around that time.......perhaps thats why the PJ dismissed it...

Also they are very similar in height too.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id218.html
« Last Edit: November 23, 2014, 05:51:18 AM by colombosstogey »

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2014, 12:15:21 PM »
So question 1.

What were they doing minutes after the child went missing hanging around the McCanns flat? We are led to beleive it was like the Marie Celeste that night in PDL, no one walking around anywhere, so how come two biddies clocked Murat outside or near to the McCanns flat....what were they doing there themselves? MINUTES we are talking about....but he was empty handed?

question 2. How did they see him so clearly it was dark at 10.05?

Its more likely if they saw anyone they saw David Payne, and  looks remarkably like Murat, and was outside or nearto the flat around that time.......perhaps thats why the PJ dismissed it...

Also they are very similar in height too.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id218.html

Thank you for the link.

So according to the report the people who saw Murat were :

Two sisters who sold their story to a tabloid
Two unnamed witnesses who allegedly supplied Metodo3 with information but made no official statement
A barrister who made no official statement
The McCann's friends.

Not exactly conclusive proof, is it ! ( BTW that is some hatchet job ' sources close to the McCanns' did on Murat in the article ).
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2014, 01:05:10 PM »
Thank you for the link.

So according to the report the people who saw Murat were :

Two sisters who sold their story to a tabloid
Two unnamed witnesses who allegedly supplied Metodo3 with information but made no official statement
A barrister who made no official statement
The McCann's friends.

Not exactly conclusive proof, is it ! ( BTW that is some hatchet job ' sources close to the McCanns' did on Murat in the article ).

IIRC Charlotte Penington also said she saw him on the 3rd.

Also Silvia Batista - who was supposed to be present at the 'confrontation' meeting with Murat - but who failed to turn up on the day.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2014, 01:14:50 PM »
IIRC Charlotte Penington also said she saw him on the 3rd.

Also Silvia Batista - who was supposed to be present at the 'confrontation' meeting with Murat - but who failed to turn up on the day.

Ah this Charlotte Pennington :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483715/Kate-McCann-DID-scream-Theyve-taken-claims-new-nanny-witness.html

No official statement with regard to Murat, merely a, paid for, tabloid interview.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2014, 01:43:44 PM »
Ah this Charlotte Pennington :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483715/Kate-McCann-DID-scream-Theyve-taken-claims-new-nanny-witness.html

No official statement with regard to Murat, merely a, paid for, tabloid interview.

LOL it's so easy to be a sceptic.  If a newspaper article suits - then every word is gospel.  If it doesn't it's dismissed as too questionable to be taken seriously.

What about Sylvia Batista's witness statement re Murat? 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2014, 01:50:54 PM »
LOL it's so easy to be a sceptic.  If a newspaper article suits - then every word is gospel.  If it doesn't it's dismissed as too questionable to be taken seriously.

What about Sylvia Batista's witness statement re Murat?

Have you read the article ? Pennington specifically contradicts what the McCanns were saying at the time re: the alert, so is she a truthful witness or are you simply cherry-picking the parts you want to believe ?

As to Silvia Batista, it's much more credible that one person mistook another, say David Payne, for Murat than seven or eight.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?