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Offline bros

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2014, 03:36:34 PM »
Does anyone KNOW how tall Robert Murat is please?
Witness Statement

Silvia María Correio Ramos Batista

Date: 2007 – 05 – 15

She is responsible for maintenance of the OC resort in P da L. Because of her profession she knows many people from the English community who are resident in P da L.

She knows the Murat family, had done for about 30 years. Mainly Mr Murat and his wife, Jenny. Mr Murat was linked to a civil construction business and the development of tourist resorts, in Salema as far as she knows. Mr Murat died some years ago.

The Murats live in a house near to the OC, called Casa Liliana. When asked she says she does not remember whether the Murats have a son.

When asked, she says that on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, 3rd May, she was called by her boss at about 22.30. As she lives in Lagos, she arrived shortly afterwards at the resort. There were about 60 people close to apartment 5 A, helping to look for the girl.

She remembers, but is not absolutely certain, given the time that has passed, that from the start, there was an individual helping to look for Madeleine, about 1.70 tall, with sort, light brown hair, with thin framed, brown glasses, who was also helping to search.

She does not remember at what time she saw him. She does not remember how he was dressed. She does not remember whom he was with or know if he arrived on foot or by car.

The same individual, she knew later to be the son of the Murat’s, Robert Murat.

Robert speaks fluent English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR in Lagos, and later the PJ to translate the witness statements of some English individuals.

In principal, she thinks it should be possible to confirm whether Murat was there on the date that Madeleine disappeared as well as other details, with Paul and June from the Duke of Holland bar and Mr Byron from the property administration company JNB in P da L.

She clarifies that on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or even Monday (07-05-2007) she spoke to Robert for the first time, during breaks between interviews, where he was acting as translator.

She describes him as a pleasant and easy going individual. He was quite open and extrovert in the conversations with her, he never spoke of anything personal.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/m/Timetables-from-STAFF/Silvia-Batista-Statements-1-1161164.html

Offline VIXTE

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2014, 03:39:37 PM »
Thank you for the link.

So according to the report the people who saw Murat were :

Two sisters who sold their story to a tabloid
Two unnamed witnesses who allegedly supplied Metodo3 with information but made no official statement
A barrister who made no official statement
The McCann's friends.

Not exactly conclusive proof, is it ! ( BTW that is some hatchet job ' sources close to the McCanns' did on Murat in the article ).

I thought there was a GNR officer who also claimed he saw Murat? And plus a Portuguese citizen?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2014, 04:18:44 PM »
I thought there was a GNR officer who also claimed he saw Murat? And plus a Portuguese citizen?

Not that I have ever heard of and Silvia Batista certainly doesn't sound very certain that she saw him either.
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Offline Carana

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2014, 08:45:59 PM »
Witness Statement

Silvia María Correio Ramos Batista

Date: 2007 – 05 – 15

She is responsible for maintenance of the OC resort in P da L. Because of her profession she knows many people from the English community who are resident in P da L.

She knows the Murat family, had done for about 30 years. Mainly Mr Murat and his wife, Jenny. Mr Murat was linked to a civil construction business and the development of tourist resorts, in Salema as far as she knows. Mr Murat died some years ago.

The Murats live in a house near to the OC, called Casa Liliana. When asked she says she does not remember whether the Murats have a son.

When asked, she says that on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, 3rd May, she was called by her boss at about 22.30. As she lives in Lagos, she arrived shortly afterwards at the resort. There were about 60 people close to apartment 5 A, helping to look for the girl.

She remembers, but is not absolutely certain, given the time that has passed, that from the start, there was an individual helping to look for Madeleine, about 1.70 tall, with sort, light brown hair, with thin framed, brown glasses, who was also helping to search.

She does not remember at what time she saw him. She does not remember how he was dressed. She does not remember whom he was with or know if he arrived on foot or by car.

The same individual, she knew later to be the son of the Murat’s, Robert Murat.

Robert speaks fluent English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR in Lagos, and later the PJ to translate the witness statements of some English individuals.

In principal, she thinks it should be possible to confirm whether Murat was there on the date that Madeleine disappeared as well as other details, with Paul and June from the Duke of Holland bar and Mr Byron from the property administration company JNB in P da L.

She clarifies that on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or even Monday (07-05-2007) she spoke to Robert for the first time, during breaks between interviews, where he was acting as translator.

She describes him as a pleasant and easy going individual. He was quite open and extrovert in the conversations with her, he never spoke of anything personal.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/m/Timetables-from-STAFF/Silvia-Batista-Statements-1-1161164.html


Hmmm. I'd suggest reading all of Silvia Batista's statements, translated by more than one person...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

« Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 10:19:41 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2015, 08:48:24 PM »
Robert Murat's way of conducting himself in the wake of Madeleine's disappearance roused suspicions that, ultimately, (as we know) led to him being constituted first arguido in the investigation.

Unfortunately, I no longer have a subscription to The Times on-line, but anyone who does might be able to post the following link to Robert Murat which casts his actions in the days that followed Madeleine's abduction in a different, and entirely positive, light:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article2595175.ece
« Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 10:22:48 PM by John »

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2015, 12:35:42 AM »
Is this it, Ferryman?

Why do people think Robert Murat only has one eye? he has an eye defect of some kind in one of his eyes, but according to his mother who should know he does have two.


From Times Online

May 15, 2007

Profile: Robert Murat, suspect in Madeleine case

Robert Murat, a suspect in the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann, adored his own daughter and desperately missed her after his marriage broke down.

The former car salesman “lost” her when his wife, Dawn, returned to her native Norfolk with their daughter four months after the family had emigrated to Portugal because she was homesick and he stayed behind.

Mr Murat, 33, whose father is Portuguese, carried on as a self-employed property consultant on the Algarve, but visited the child regularly.

Gareth Bailey, a close friend and former colleague of the suspect at Inchcape Autoparc used car dealership in Norwich, where Mr Murat had worked for four years, said the family embarked on a new life in Portugal in 2005.

Married in 1994 in Deerham, Norfolk, the couple had been trying for a baby for years until she fell pregnant in 2002 and had looked forward to moving abroad.

”But Dawn was unhappy in Portugal and became homesick,” Mr Bailey said. “She is a Norfolk girl and her family are in Norfolk.

”She only stayed with Rob for three or four months before she decided to come home with [their daughter]. He had already got a life out there, so he decided to stay. At first, he kept his relationship with Dawn and kept flying back to the UK to spend time with her and her daughter.

”He was going backwards and forwards between Portugal and here all the time, often only staying a couple of days before going back there. In the end, their relationship just fizzled out.”

Friends today described Mr Murat's daughter, four, who is also blonde, as “his life”.

Mr Bailey, who last saw his friend two months ago, added: “He is a laidback guy who loves the wonderful weather and the relaxed lifestyle out there.

”But he was upset about being away from his daughter. She is his first child and she means a lot to him. When she was born, it was the best thing ever for him. I know he stays in contact with [her] and telephones her all the time from Portugal. She is his world and he loves her to bits.”

Mr Murat was born on November 20, 1973, at Queen Charlotte’s Hospital, Hammersmith, west London - the elder son of John Henry Queriol Murat, a company director, who is Portuguese, and Jennifer (nee Eveleigh), from Sidmouth, Devon.

Mr Murat’s parents were then living in Richmond-upon-Thames, but moved to Portugal, where he was educated.

As a young man, he returned to Britain, where he took a variety of jobs and enjoyed playing darts and clay pigeon shooting.

Mr Murat, who lost an eye in a motorbike accident as a teenager when he crashed into the wall of a railway station, worked for the turkey tycoon, Bernard Matthews, at the company factory in Lenwade, Norfolk, between 1994 and 2000.

He and his wife, who has a son, David, now 20, by a previous marriage, bought a modest, semi-detached, three-bedroom house, now worth £190,000, in The Street, Hockering - a quiet Norfolk village near Deerham (population 230).

Mr Murat went on to become a successful car salesman with Inchcape for four years before moving on to work at Desira car dealership in Norwich, selling Nissans, Alfa Romeos, Fiats and Citroens.

But he also earned £150 a time as a translator for Norfolk police, using his language skills to help their inquiries among the large Portuguese community in the county. His wife has worked at Fenland council and acted as secretary to the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development in East Anglia.

Mr Bailey remains certain of his friend’s innocence. He said: “I would trust him with my own daughter. It was a complete shock to hear what has happened in Portugal. If I was to give him a character reference, I would describe him as brilliant and a real people person.

”He is ever such a likeable guy and probably one of the most helpful people you could come across. He was very conscientious when I worked with him and spent masses of time with customers - almost to the point where he would become annoying. It’s just the way he is.

”He is one of those overly helpful people who likes to get involved. Sometimes at work, I had to tell him to go away in a friendly way.”

Mr Murat had a reputation, not only in the car trade but in Hockering, as something of a Good Samaritan.

His next door neighbour, Colin Shackcloth, 85, said: “He is a lovely man, but, two years ago, I realised he was gone. I went round with a little present at Christmas, a box of chocolates and Dawn said: ’Robert has gone back and he is stopping there."

Mr Shackcloth, a retired display manager, added: “He always struck me as a down-to-earth kind of fellow. If you wanted anything, he would help. If you needed it, he would be round to replace a bulb for you. What he is supposed to have done just doesn’t fit.

”They were both very nice to us. We never had an angry word since they moved in about 11 years ago. I can’t say a bad word about him.”

Police stood guard at the house, from which Mrs Murat was driven away at speed by police late on Monday night carrying her daughter in a blanket.

The little girl and her mother are being cared for at an undisclosed address.

Mrs Murat’s mother, Margaret Chapman, who lives in Norwich declined to comment.

Geoffrey Livock, 71, said: “I was speaking to Dawn after the little girl went missing last week and she said that Rob had been helping out the police in Portugal. Dawn said she could not understand how anyone could take a little girl like that.”

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...794603.ece
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2015, 08:26:26 AM »
Is there a specific reason for starting this thread ferryman?

The profile casts interesting light on another side of Murat's character that might have been misinterpreted by Lori Campbell and others.

ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2015, 08:33:05 AM »
Is this it, Ferryman?

Why do people think Robert Murat only has one eye? he has an eye defect of some kind in one of his eyes, but according to his mother who should know he does have two.


From Times Online

May 15, 2007

Profile: Robert Murat, suspect in Madeleine case

Robert Murat, a suspect in the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann, adored his own daughter and desperately missed her after his marriage broke down.

The former car salesman “lost” her when his wife, Dawn, returned to her native Norfolk with their daughter four months after the family had emigrated to Portugal because she was homesick and he stayed behind.

Mr Murat, 33, whose father is Portuguese, carried on as a self-employed property consultant on the Algarve, but visited the child regularly.

Gareth Bailey, a close friend and former colleague of the suspect at Inchcape Autoparc used car dealership in Norwich, where Mr Murat had worked for four years, said the family embarked on a new life in Portugal in 2005.

Married in 1994 in Deerham, Norfolk, the couple had been trying for a baby for years until she fell pregnant in 2002 and had looked forward to moving abroad.

”But Dawn was unhappy in Portugal and became homesick,” Mr Bailey said. “She is a Norfolk girl and her family are in Norfolk.

”She only stayed with Rob for three or four months before she decided to come home with [their daughter]. He had already got a life out there, so he decided to stay. At first, he kept his relationship with Dawn and kept flying back to the UK to spend time with her and her daughter.

”He was going backwards and forwards between Portugal and here all the time, often only staying a couple of days before going back there. In the end, their relationship just fizzled out.”

Friends today described Mr Murat's daughter, four, who is also blonde, as “his life”.

Mr Bailey, who last saw his friend two months ago, added: “He is a laidback guy who loves the wonderful weather and the relaxed lifestyle out there.

”But he was upset about being away from his daughter. She is his first child and she means a lot to him. When she was born, it was the best thing ever for him. I know he stays in contact with [her] and telephones her all the time from Portugal. She is his world and he loves her to bits.”

Mr Murat was born on November 20, 1973, at Queen Charlotte’s Hospital, Hammersmith, west London - the elder son of John Henry Queriol Murat, a company director, who is Portuguese, and Jennifer (nee Eveleigh), from Sidmouth, Devon.

Mr Murat’s parents were then living in Richmond-upon-Thames, but moved to Portugal, where he was educated.

As a young man, he returned to Britain, where he took a variety of jobs and enjoyed playing darts and clay pigeon shooting.

Mr Murat, who lost an eye in a motorbike accident as a teenager when he crashed into the wall of a railway station, worked for the turkey tycoon, Bernard Matthews, at the company factory in Lenwade, Norfolk, between 1994 and 2000.

He and his wife, who has a son, David, now 20, by a previous marriage, bought a modest, semi-detached, three-bedroom house, now worth £190,000, in The Street, Hockering - a quiet Norfolk village near Deerham (population 230).

Mr Murat went on to become a successful car salesman with Inchcape for four years before moving on to work at Desira car dealership in Norwich, selling Nissans, Alfa Romeos, Fiats and Citroens.

But he also earned £150 a time as a translator for Norfolk police, using his language skills to help their inquiries among the large Portuguese community in the county. His wife has worked at Fenland council and acted as secretary to the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development in East Anglia.

Mr Bailey remains certain of his friend’s innocence. He said: “I would trust him with my own daughter. It was a complete shock to hear what has happened in Portugal. If I was to give him a character reference, I would describe him as brilliant and a real people person.

”He is ever such a likeable guy and probably one of the most helpful people you could come across. He was very conscientious when I worked with him and spent masses of time with customers - almost to the point where he would become annoying. It’s just the way he is.

”He is one of those overly helpful people who likes to get involved. Sometimes at work, I had to tell him to go away in a friendly way.”

Mr Murat had a reputation, not only in the car trade but in Hockering, as something of a Good Samaritan.

His next door neighbour, Colin Shackcloth, 85, said: “He is a lovely man, but, two years ago, I realised he was gone. I went round with a little present at Christmas, a box of chocolates and Dawn said: ’Robert has gone back and he is stopping there."

Mr Shackcloth, a retired display manager, added: “He always struck me as a down-to-earth kind of fellow. If you wanted anything, he would help. If you needed it, he would be round to replace a bulb for you. What he is supposed to have done just doesn’t fit.

”They were both very nice to us. We never had an angry word since they moved in about 11 years ago. I can’t say a bad word about him.”

Police stood guard at the house, from which Mrs Murat was driven away at speed by police late on Monday night carrying her daughter in a blanket.

The little girl and her mother are being cared for at an undisclosed address.

Mrs Murat’s mother, Margaret Chapman, who lives in Norwich declined to comment.

Geoffrey Livock, 71, said: “I was speaking to Dawn after the little girl went missing last week and she said that Rob had been helping out the police in Portugal. Dawn said she could not understand how anyone could take a little girl like that.”

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...794603.ece

That is indeed the one.

Thank you Brietta.

ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2015, 09:28:42 AM »
No surprise that some people are unable to grasp that Robert Murat's name is inextricably linked with events of May 3rd 2007, Praia da Luz and after ....

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2015, 12:31:35 PM »
No surprise that some people are unable to grasp that Robert Murat's name is inextricably linked with events of May 3rd 2007, Praia da Luz and after ....

I don't think he will ever quite shake off the association and is probably more interested than most in Madeleine's case being brought to a resolution.

There were independent witness reports saying that he was seen on 3rd of May in the vicinity of the apartment.  Which in itself is not a suspicious place to be seen at that time, in fact it would probably have been considered an 'alibi'.

He was a neighbour who could have been alerted by unusual activity and people shouting.
Being anxious to help, he could have been searching.

Obviously people saw a man who looked like Robert Murat ... was he ever identified by the investigation to confirm who he was and that he was indeed the man seen by witnesses?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2015, 12:35:31 PM »
I don't think he will ever quite shake off the association and is probably more interested than most in Madeleine's case being brought to a resolution.

There were independent witness reports saying that he was seen on 3rd of May in the vicinity of the apartment.  Which in itself is not a suspicious place to be seen at that time, in fact it would probably have been considered an 'alibi'.

He was a neighbour who could have been alerted by unusual activity and people shouting.
Being anxious to help, he could have been searching.

Obviously people saw a man who looked like Robert Murat ... was he ever identified by the investigation to confirm who he was and that he was indeed the man seen by witnesses?

Please remind me of which other man could easily be taken for Murat and was there at the same time ?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2015, 12:51:22 PM »
Please remind me of which other man could easily be taken for Murat and was there at the same time ?

I can understand maybe one of the McCann's friends mistaking someone else for Robert Murat but three of them !!!
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Offline Carana

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2015, 01:07:22 PM »
I can understand maybe one of the McCann's friends mistaking someone else for Robert Murat but three of them !!!

If you read about false memory recall, it's perfectly possible.

Someone with glasses could have been attempting to interpret that night and when Murat was made arguido, it could have been assumed that it was him. It's perfectly possible that in the confusion and exhaustion that Russ had got confused as to when Murat first spoke to him (it was only later that day after all).

It might even have been John Hill at some point that someone saw running around.

Others could have mistaken David Payne for Murat.

Or anyone else as yet not identified.

Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2015, 01:44:24 PM »
The profile casts interesting light on another side of Murat's character that might have been misinterpreted by Lori Campbell and others.

The description given by his former workmate and neighbours gives us a glimpse of some of the type of behaviour he evidenced in Luz when Madeleine went missing.

He liked to be in the thick of things.  We can see that from the photographs taken of him mixing with police officers like 'one of the boys'.

When being helpful it was sometimes to the point of being annoying.  It was this trait which brought him to the attention of the PJ inspectors when he asked questions about the ins and outs of the investigation apparently on occasion even trying to see what was on their desks.

Maybe he was also a victim of the lack of official information being released by the investigation allowing reporters time to start observing the people round about them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline lordpookles

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2015, 02:01:34 PM »
Interesting he was called as a witness I assume in the latest Portuguese interviews. I wonder what leads they were pursuing there. Can only expect it was linked to some theory regarding Sergio and friends.