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Offline Brietta

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2015, 05:49:19 PM »
IIRC Charlotte Pennington was another one.

So that makes

Annie Wiltshire
Jayne Jensen
Silvia Batista
Charlotte Pennington ... and there was an unnamed barrister who I've seen it said might have been Raj Balu, whether that is the case or not ... with the McCann three friends included that would make about nine sightings.

He must have been doing something or there was something about him to make all these people take particular notice given everything else that was going on.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2015, 06:13:39 PM »
A lot of it is covered in the Archiving Process.
Some of it isn't.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
pages 4605 on
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Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2015, 06:43:45 PM »
How many of the witnesses knew that RM had told the police he wasn't at OC that night when they stated that they'd seen him?

stephen25000

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2015, 06:56:21 PM »
Murat is not in the frame, or are some people on here suggesting he is ?

Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2015, 06:58:10 PM »
Murat is not in the frame, or are some people on here suggesting he is ?

He's not out of the frame yet, is he?

Offline jassi

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2015, 07:01:07 PM »
Like with so many things, we simply don't know.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2015, 07:02:21 PM »
He's not out of the frame yet, is he?

...and what makes you say that ?

He has been interviewed, unlike the mccanns in this investigation.

I suggest your response is carefully worded.
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ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2015, 07:05:15 PM »
How many of the witnesses knew that RM had told the police he wasn't at OC that night when they stated that they'd seen him?

There's no reason why Murat shouldn't have been out and about on the night.

stephen25000

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2015, 07:09:00 PM »
There's no reason why Murat shouldn't have been out and about on the night.

What ???

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2015, 07:09:12 PM »
He's not out of the frame yet, is he?

Bearing in mind that ruling document in this case remains the archiving report then he is not in the frame.
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ferryman

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Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2015, 07:11:27 PM »
Bearing in mind that ruling document in this case remains the archiving report then he is not in the frame.

I incline to the view that's the safe assumption, in the absence of anything specific to the contrary ....

Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2015, 07:13:33 PM »
...and what makes you say that ?

He has been interviewed, unlike the mccanns in this investigation.

I suggest your response is carefully worded.

He had an alibi which could not be otherwise substantiated.
He was under suspicion by the PJ & now re-questioned by OG for reasons best known to SY.
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Offline misty

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2015, 07:16:50 PM »
There's no reason why Murat shouldn't have been out and about on the night.

I agree. First, he was apparently in a bar, rather inebriated. Then he was apparently at a JW meeting.
It's when he told the PJ he was at home all evening that suspicions would have been heightened.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2015, 07:26:50 PM »
So that makes

Annie Wiltshire
Jayne Jensen
Silvia Batista
Charlotte Pennington ... and there was an unnamed barrister who I've seen it said might have been Raj Balu, whether that is the case or not ... with the McCann three friends included that would make about nine sightings.

He must have been doing something or there was something about him to make all these people take particular notice given everything else that was going on.

Hmm...
Annie Wiltshire, no statement, so a source is required.
Jayne Jensen, no statement, so a source is required.
Silvia Batista, statement 15 May 2007, (after Murat was an arguido), thinks there was a man, whom she only got introduced to days later, who might have been Murat.  But she gives 3 names to cross-check, as they would know better than her.
Charlotte Pennington, statement 7 May 2007 (before Murat was an arguido), no mention of Murat (why should she when she probably did not know him), more importantly no reference to someone looking on that night while others searched.
Raj Balu, statement made after Murat was an arguido, no mention of Murat.
Neil Berry, statement made after Murat was an arguido, no mention of Murat.
June Wright (named by Silvia Batista as someone who knew Murat). After Murat was made an arguido she gave a statement that she did no see him there that night.
Paul Wright - ditto as per June Wright.

Six of the Tapas 9 failed to indicate that Murat was there that night.
Various policemen who were there that night said they could not recall Murat being there.

This stuff would not pass muster in a criminal court of law.  I didn't follow all the who-sued-whom in the civil courts, but it strikes me that we are getting dangerously close to that territory with this thread.
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What's up, old man?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Witnesses claimed to have seen Robert Murat the night Maddie disappeared.
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM »
I guess the Portuguese lifting his arguido status when the case was archived and he winning a substantial libel payout from the UK press pre lifting of arguido status is not relevant?
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