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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #510 on: November 10, 2015, 04:48:33 PM »
Let's start with an unknown crime.

That is the starting point.
Start with unknown crime if you want
Once the stents have been ruled out you will get the same result

Offline John

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« Reply #511 on: November 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
lets keep this very simple
Maddie is missing
parents are not suspects
what are the possibilities

I'm afraid that's no guarantee Dave.  Bobby Hernandez wasn't a suspect either but hey ho, we know where that all ended up.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6753.msg285296#msg285296



The hunt for McCann has been given renewed hope after Hernandez's recovery.




Bobby Hernandez, 53, is currently being held at a jail in Ohio.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #512 on: November 10, 2015, 05:48:43 PM »
I'm afraid that's no guarantee Dave.  Bobby Hernandez wasn't a suspect either buy hey ho, we know where that all ended up.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6753.msg285296#msg285296



The hunt for McCann has been given renewed hope after Hernandez's recovery.




Bobby Hernandez, 53, is currently being held at a jail in Ohio.

You're wrong about Bobby Hernandez, the boy's father - from the article you linked to:
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The child went missing in August 2002 when his father offered to take him to pre-school.

His father, who did not have custody of his son, allegedly snatched the youngster and changed their last name to Mangina.

He also had withdrew large amounts of cash from his bank accounts and the case was listed as a suspected non-custodial parent abduction.

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #513 on: November 10, 2015, 06:20:27 PM »
I never said it might have happened, I said it was just as possible as stranger abduction.
Those two statements contradict each other.  What you are saying is that Madeleine might have had an accident falling down the stairs, dying instantly, which is a scenario that you believe is just as possible as stranger abduction.  That being the case I am asking you what you imagine happened after this incident, for starters: what time do you imagine she was discovered dead at the bottom of the stairs?

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #514 on: November 10, 2015, 07:43:50 PM »
Well if you and your fellows wish to continue the myth of the abductor, expect no less.

Aw c'mon Stevo of course it was an abduction lets look at the history:
May 4th 2007 to 14th October 2013: "it was an abduction because Jane saw the abductor".
14th October 2013 (latest): Andy unsportingly frags the abductor in the frame so he is no more.
15th October 2013(after Crimewatch) to the present, without drawing breath and neither breaking step nor wind "of course it was abduction we just need to find another abductor".
Well they are a dime a dozen on the Algarve....allegedly.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

stephen25000

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« Reply #515 on: November 10, 2015, 07:52:16 PM »
Aw c'mon Stevo of course it was an abduction lets look at the history:
May 4th 2007 to 14th October 2013: "it was an abduction because Jane saw the abductor".
14th October 2013 (latest): Andy unsportingly frags the abductor in the frame so he is no more.
15th October 2013(after Crimewatch) to the present, without drawing breath and neither breaking step nor wind "of course it was abduction we just need to find another abductor".
Well they are a dime a dozen on the Algarve....allegedly.

It must have been those darn reptilians dressed in human skin. 8)-)))

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #516 on: November 10, 2015, 08:39:13 PM »
Aw c'mon Stevo of course it was an abduction lets look at the history:
May 4th 2007 to 14th October 2013: "it was an abduction because Jane saw the abductor".
14th October 2013 (latest): Andy unsportingly frags the abductor in the frame so he is no more.
15th October 2013(after Crimewatch) to the present, without drawing breath and neither breaking step nor wind "of course it was abduction we just need to find another abductor".
Well they are a dime a dozen on the Algarve....allegedly.
why do you ridicule the notion of abduction in this case?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #517 on: November 10, 2015, 08:57:51 PM »
Aw c'mon Stevo of course it was an abduction lets look at the history:
May 4th 2007 to 14th October 2013: "it was an abduction because Jane saw the abductor".
14th October 2013 (latest): Andy unsportingly frags the abductor in the frame so he is no more.
15th October 2013(after Crimewatch) to the present, without drawing breath and neither breaking step nor wind "of course it was abduction we just need to find another abductor".
Well they are a dime a dozen on the Algarve....allegedly.

it really is quite simple...if the parents are innocent....abduction is odds on favourite...for lots and lots of reasons...I think they are...so abduction it is....no blind faith...just logic

stephen25000

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« Reply #518 on: November 10, 2015, 09:09:42 PM »
it really is quite simple...if the parents are innocent....abduction is odds on favourite...for lots and lots of reasons...I think they are...so abduction it is....no blind faith...just logic

The crime is unknown, perpertrator unknown.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #519 on: November 10, 2015, 10:32:40 PM »
why do you ridicule the notion of abduction in this case?

I was questioning the notion that one can go from an odds on racing cert person as the abductor to "oh well it wasn't that one it must have been another one" all in the space of 24 hours, as though a tiny holiday resort was crawling with child abductors, and still maintain credibility. Six years the keystone of the arch and then it fell out ..............well you know the story as well as I do.

A child vanished into thin air eight years ago. There are a few possibilities for that disappearance, abduction being one of them but it was not seemingly by the man Jane Tanner said it was.
As the case is neither resolved nor closed then the cause remains unknown to us proles. For all the postulations that somethings have been ruled out, that is mere supposition until a proper up to date announcement by someone in authority is made. Otherwise who knows for sure? The much vaunted Redwood quote is from twelve months prior to his greasing of Tannerman.


"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #520 on: November 10, 2015, 10:46:32 PM »
I was questioning the notion that one can go from an odds on racing cert person as the abductor to "oh well it wasn't that one it must have been another one" all in the space of 24 hours, as though a tiny holiday resort was crawling with child abductors, and still maintain credibility. Six years the keystone of the arch and then it fell out ..............well you know the story as well as I do.

A child vanished into thin air eight years ago. There are a few possibilities for that disappearance, abduction being one of them but it was not seemingly by the man Jane Tanner said it was.
As the case is neither resolved nor closed then the cause remains unknown to us proles. For all the postulations that somethings have been ruled out, that is mere supposition until a proper up to date announcement by someone in authority is made. Otherwise who knows for sure? The much vaunted Redwood quote is from twelve months prior to his greasing of Tannerman.
you weren't questioning anything, you were ridiculing.  As abduction remains a real possibility and appears still to be the main focus of enquiry from everything we know about Operation Grange to date, your ridicule strikes me as somewhat inappropriate.  No one, to my knowledge has ever claimed that Tannerman was 100% certainly the abductor but it would have been perfectly reasonable to suspect that he might have been, given the circumstances.  If the Met subsequently discovered the ID of this man and were able to rule him out then naturally other leads will assume greater focus, there is nothing ridiculous about that, try as you might to find something about it to scoff at.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #521 on: November 10, 2015, 10:50:58 PM »
I was questioning the notion that one can go from an odds on racing cert person as the abductor to "oh well it wasn't that one it must have been another one" all in the space of 24 hours, as though a tiny holiday resort was crawling with child abductors, and still maintain credibility. Six years the keystone of the arch and then it fell out ..............well you know the story as well as I do.

A child vanished into thin air eight years ago. There are a few possibilities for that disappearance, abduction being one of them but it was not seemingly by the man Jane Tanner said it was.
As the case is neither resolved nor closed then the cause remains unknown to us proles. For all the postulations that somethings have been ruled out, that is mere supposition until a proper up to date announcement by someone in authority is made. Otherwise who knows for sure? The much vaunted Redwood quote is from twelve months prior to his greasing of Tannerman.

realistically it is a racing cert...if the parents have been ruled out which as far as I understand they have

stephen25000

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #522 on: November 17, 2015, 07:56:59 AM »
realistically it is a racing cert...if the parents have been ruled out which as far as I understand they have

A racing cert ?

Really ?

This one fell at the first hurdle.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #523 on: November 20, 2015, 01:12:35 PM »
Disappearance of Eloise Worledge

Eloise Anne Worledge (8 October 1967 – disappeared 12 January 1976) is a missing person, who as an eight-year-old girl was abducted from her home in Beaumaris, Victoria, Australia.

Abduction[edit]
Her brother raised the alarm about her disappearance when he noticed she was not in her room at 7.30am. He later told police he heard "robbers" who kidnapped his sister, but was too scared to say anything at the time because he thought they would take him too. There was no sign of a struggle. Police believed that Eloise was lured from her bed by someone whom she knew and trusted and simply left the house via the front door, which had been left unlocked. Another possibility not discounted was that Worledge may have been abducted by a prowler known to be in the area at the time.

A dark green car speeding down Scott Street at 2am was reported by a neighbour. Bark from a tree outside her window was found on her bedroom floor. A small hole had been cut in the flyscreen in her window, but forensic tests revealed it had been cut from the inside. Police believed it was too small to have been used by the abductor, and scientific evidence found it unlikely that Eloise was taken through her open bedroom window. Both parents were initially treated as suspects.[1]

Investigation[edit]
Despite one of the biggest searches in Victoria's history and a $10,000 reward posted in 1976 that remains unclaimed, no trace of her has ever been found. Homicide cold case detectives also reinvestigated the case in 2001, to no avail.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Eloise_Worledge

Who stole Eloise?
July 5 2003

She was the little girl from Beaumaris who was taken from what should have been the safety of her bed in the middle of the night.......................A torn flywire screen and an open window were the main clues in a crime..............Eloise was their first child, born on October 8, 1967. She was followed by Anna two years later and Blake in 1971................By the time Eloise was born, the couple had settled into a four-bedroom weatherboard home in Scott Street on the corner of Gibbs Street, about 500 metres from popular Beaumaris beach.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/04/1057179154768.html
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #524 on: November 20, 2015, 01:36:13 PM »
Disappearance of Eloise Worledge

Eloise Anne Worledge (8 October 1967 – disappeared 12 January 1976) is a missing person, who as an eight-year-old girl was abducted from her home in Beaumaris, Victoria, Australia.

Abduction[edit]
Her brother raised the alarm about her disappearance when he noticed she was not in her room at 7.30am. He later told police he heard "robbers" who kidnapped his sister, but was too scared to say anything at the time because he thought they would take him too. There was no sign of a struggle. Police believed that Eloise was lured from her bed by someone whom she knew and trusted and simply left the house via the front door, which had been left unlocked. Another possibility not discounted was that Worledge may have been abducted by a prowler known to be in the area at the time.

A dark green car speeding down Scott Street at 2am was reported by a neighbour. Bark from a tree outside her window was found on her bedroom floor. A small hole had been cut in the flyscreen in her window, but forensic tests revealed it had been cut from the inside. Police believed it was too small to have been used by the abductor, and scientific evidence found it unlikely that Eloise was taken through her open bedroom window. Both parents were initially treated as suspects.[1]

Investigation[edit]
Despite one of the biggest searches in Victoria's history and a $10,000 reward posted in 1976 that remains unclaimed, no trace of her has ever been found. Homicide cold case detectives also reinvestigated the case in 2001, to no avail.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Eloise_Worledge

Who stole Eloise?
July 5 2003

She was the little girl from Beaumaris who was taken from what should have been the safety of her bed in the middle of the night.......................A torn flywire screen and an open window were the main clues in a crime..............Eloise was their first child, born on October 8, 1967. She was followed by Anna two years later and Blake in 1971................By the time Eloise was born, the couple had settled into a four-bedroom weatherboard home in Scott Street on the corner of Gibbs Street, about 500 metres from popular Beaumaris beach.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/04/1057179154768.html

**Snip
The father of Eloise Worledge, the eight-year-old girl abducted from her Beaumaris home 27 years ago, has taken a police lie detector test to dispel rumours that he was involved in her disappearance.

Lindsay Worledge took the test after police reopened the case, but the polygraph findings were inconclusive. "It did not produce a result which would satisfy police curiosity," Mr Worldege, a retired business consultant, told The Age.

A Melbourne coroner, Frank Hender, will be told on Monday that vital crime scene evidence and police records into the case have been lost and that this has hampered detectives' new investigation.

Among the missing documents were the original police interviews with Mr Worledge.

Eloise Worledge was found missing from her bed in Scott Street on January 13, 1976. Her parents were in the process of separating and Mr Worledge had agreed to move out of the family home. He was due to sign a rental lease on a residential property in Carnegie on the day Eloise disappeared.

The wind-out window in her bedroom was found open, the flywire screen cut, and tanbark from the garden was found on the floor of her room. But police believe she was probably taken through the unlocked front door and that the screen may have been cut to mislead police.

Despite a search by 250 police, a reward offer, a taskforce investigation and repeated pleas to the public, no trace of her has been found.

The coroner will be told that years after the abduction police found that two child molesters may have had links to Eloise. One worked at a local shop used by the Worledges while the second was connected to a Beaumaris drama group frequented by the family.

Two years ago police launched a fresh investigation into the case. Detectives have concluded that she is dead, but have been unable to identify her abductor.

One of the original investigators, former detective senior sergeant Jan Lierse, said police were never able to establish what happened to Eloise. "We are no further advanced now than... when she was first reported missing about 7.30 in the morning. I have no suspects whatsoever."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/04/1057179159271.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....