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Alfred R Jones

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For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« on: September 28, 2015, 06:46:49 PM »
...here is an interesting case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251601/Dieter-Pfennig-confessed-killing-10-year-old-Louise-Bell-disappeared-bedroom-Adelaide-32-years-ago.html

It shows us that a child can be stolen from her bedroom whilst asleep and with a sibling in situ.  This child was 10 years old so much bigger than Madeleine. 

Not only that, but the parents were in the building at the time and the father had checked on the children several times during the night which shows that if an abductor is determined enough he will find a way to take what he wants regardless of the risks or obstacles.

It also demonstrates how some missing kids cases can take 30+ years to be solved.



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stephen25000

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 08:05:21 PM »
...here is an interesting case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251601/Dieter-Pfennig-confessed-killing-10-year-old-Louise-Bell-disappeared-bedroom-Adelaide-32-years-ago.html

It shows us that a child can be stolen from her bedroom whilst asleep and with a sibling in situ.  This child was 10 years old so much bigger than Madeleine. 

Not only that, but the parents were in the building at the time and the father had checked on the children several times during the night which shows that if an abductor is determined enough he will find a way to take what he wants regardless of the risks or obstacles.

It also demonstrates how some missing kids cases can take 30+ years to be solved.

It is also  a murder case.

How much publicity did this case have ?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 08:06:43 PM »
It is also  a murder case.

How much publicity did this case have ?
yes it is - so?
You second question is also irrelevant. 

Lyall

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 08:10:52 PM »
...here is an interesting case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251601/Dieter-Pfennig-confessed-killing-10-year-old-Louise-Bell-disappeared-bedroom-Adelaide-32-years-ago.html

It shows us that a child can be stolen from her bedroom whilst asleep and with a sibling in situ.  This child was 10 years old so much bigger than Madeleine. 

Not only that, but the parents were in the building at the time and the father had checked on the children several times during the night which shows that if an abductor is determined enough he will find a way to take what he wants regardless of the risks or obstacles.

It also demonstrates how some missing kids cases can take 30+ years to be solved.

Sounds very similar to Elizabeth Smart's case.

Of course it's possible. So is every other scenario in this case.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 08:16:38 PM »
Why is it irrelevant ?

This case has had unparalleled publicity and yet no trace of her or how she she disappeared has been ascertained.

The cases are not parallel at all.

We're the girls parents put drinking and eating for hours on end, for several days in a row ?
All completely irrelevant.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 08:20:24 PM »
The case in the opening thread demonstrates that it is possible for a sleeping child to be abducted by a stranger from a room she shares with a sibling.  Additionally, it demonstrates that the size of the child did not preclude her from being taken, nor the close proximity of her parents.  Finally it demonstrates how some cases of this nature can take many years to be solved.

Whether or not the parents were out drinking or how much publicity the case had are irrelevant to the points above.

Offline jassi

Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 08:23:36 PM »
The case in the opening thread demonstrates that it is possible for a sleeping child to be abducted by a stranger from a room she shares with a sibling.  Additionally, it demonstrates that the size of the child did not preclude her from being taken, nor the close proximity of her parents.  Finally it demonstrates how some cases of this nature can take many years to be solved.

Whether or not the parents were out drinking or how much publicity the case had are irrelevant to the points above.

So not very much in common with the McCann case then.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 08:24:41 PM »
Sounds very similar to Elizabeth Smart's case.

Of course it's possible. So is every other scenario in this case.
There are some who don't accept it is possible, or who try and make the case that the child would have woken up and screamed, would have woken the sibling, would not be taken because she was too big, would not have been taken if her parents had not gone out "on the piss" etc

stephen25000

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 08:24:53 PM »
The case in the opening thread demonstrates that it is possible for a sleeping child to be abducted by a stranger from a room she shares with a sibling.  Additionally, it demonstrates that the size of the child did not preclude her from being taken, nor the close proximity of her parents.  Finally it demonstrates how some cases of this nature can take many years to be solved.

Whether or not the parents were out drinking or how much publicity the case had are irrelevant to the points above.

You are clutching at straws.

It is also possible Madeleine died in the apartment following an accident.

Would you not agree ?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 08:25:43 PM »
So not very much in common with the McCann case then.
Why not?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 08:27:51 PM »
You are clutching at straws.

It is also possible Madeleine died in the apartment following an accident.

Would you not agree ?
yes.  do you agree it is possible Madeleine was abbucted by a stranger?

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 08:31:49 PM »
You are clutching at straws.

It is also possible Madeleine died in the apartment following an accident.

Would you not agree ?

I don't there is no evidence that she did.   There was no time span for the McCann's to have hidden her body and no reason why they would have hidden her body.

Offline jassi

Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 08:32:20 PM »
Why not?

Much older child. Not on holiday in foreign country. Parents on site
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 08:44:08 PM »
Much older child. Not on holiday in foreign country. Parents on site
So what?  Madeleine was younger but why does that make abduction less likely?  Madeleine was staying in an aprtment in a holiday destination where other sexually motivated break-ins had been reported so why does that make abduction less lkely?  Madeleine's parents were not on site, so why does that make abduction less likely?

stephen25000

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Re: For those who dismiss the possibility of abduction...
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 08:47:28 PM »
I don't there is no evidence that she did.   There was no time span for the McCann's to have hidden her body and no reason why they would have hidden her body.

You are going to have to better than that.

Yet you expect people to believe in abduction, when there is not one solitary piece of verifiable evidence.