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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #225 on: November 01, 2015, 12:23:23 PM »
Quite possibly MTI. For me it's laughable that the McCanns are trying to sell the idea that their PIs, who have no access to important databases and no power to force witnesses to answer questions, could solve a case that four years, almost eleven million pounds and 37 police officers and civilians couldn't.

Indeed Faith,  As mentioned before it would be illegal if they tried to investigate outside UK.  The case will be shelved for sure, with nothing written that can be evidenced. But I feel sure, that a statement will  follow to absolve any parental involvement  that is how these things work.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #226 on: November 01, 2015, 12:38:47 PM »
Quite possibly MTI. For me it's laughable that the McCanns are trying to sell the idea that their PIs, who have no access to important databases and no power to force witnesses to answer questions, could solve a case that four years, almost eleven million pounds and 37 police officers and civilians couldn't.
That depends on what access, if any, they get to the OG work.

Zero access?  Personally, I would not spend a penny on the sex offender angle, given that OG says it has investigated 600 or so of these.  Ditto I would not spend cash on sightings, with 8,600 cleared.

Slightly more info? Technically, I assume they already have slightly more info.  I would expect them to know if the T7 were re-interviewed, and how that went.  They may also have information about other sources, such as the Smiths.  If OG stops, the Smiths seem to be the go-to place to see if progress can be made on that angle.

A more detailed breakdown on the lines of enquiry pursued and rejected is an example of something they might, just might, get their hands on.

Quite a bit of info?  With the number of interviews carried out by OG, a list of persons interviewed and found to be of no interest would be a good start.  OG's finding re the PI work would be a bonus.

I doubt if they would get info on the reduced lines of investigation now being followed by OG.  Nor on the sex offenders checked on, for obvious reasons.

That leaves the rather interesting issue of whether they can tackle this in a radically different way.

OG is sitting on the phone traffic at the time.  The law dictates that this information is not passed out to private individuals, so the McCanns will not get their hands on that.  This is a pity as it is one of the most promising angles for making progress, and OG does not seem to have done too much with it.  The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can.  Whether they choose to is another matter.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #227 on: November 01, 2015, 12:48:16 PM »
"The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can.  Whether they choose to is another matter."

I would be interested in what you are getting at. What different manner?
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #228 on: November 01, 2015, 12:54:15 PM »
I wonder what if any obligations The Met have to the Portuguese judiciary with respect to handing over info?

One can just imagine a group of PI's trailing around interviewing everyone who has been interviewed thrice over already. I wonder who will draw the short straw and have to re-interview the pig farmer.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #229 on: November 01, 2015, 01:08:15 PM »
I wonder what if any obligations The Met have to the Portuguese judiciary with respect to handing over info?

One can just imagine a group of PI's trailing around interviewing everyone who has been interviewed thrice over already. I wonder who will draw the short straw and have to re-interview the pig farmer.

I wondered about that as well Alice, what if any information was/is being shared.

lol re the pig farmer.

 It was mentioned somewere else that it was suggested the pigs could have been fed human remains.  This disgusted me and made me feel quite queazy.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Online Eleanor

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #230 on: November 01, 2015, 01:21:31 PM »
That depends on what access, if any, they get to the OG work.

Zero access?  Personally, I would not spend a penny on the sex offender angle, given that OG says it has investigated 600 or so of these.  Ditto I would not spend cash on sightings, with 8,600 cleared.

Slightly more info? Technically, I assume they already have slightly more info.  I would expect them to know if the T7 were re-interviewed, and how that went.  They may also have information about other sources, such as the Smiths.  If OG stops, the Smiths seem to be the go-to place to see if progress can be made on that angle.

A more detailed breakdown on the lines of enquiry pursued and rejected is an example of something they might, just might, get their hands on.

Quite a bit of info?  With the number of interviews carried out by OG, a list of persons interviewed and found to be of no interest would be a good start.  OG's finding re the PI work would be a bonus.

I doubt if they would get info on the reduced lines of investigation now being followed by OG.  Nor on the sex offenders checked on, for obvious reasons.

That leaves the rather interesting issue of whether they can tackle this in a radically different way.

OG is sitting on the phone traffic at the time.  The law dictates that this information is not passed out to private individuals, so the McCanns will not get their hands on that.  This is a pity as it is one of the most promising angles for making progress, and OG does not seem to have done too much with it.  The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can.  Whether they choose to is another matter.

Thank You.  I so need some hope, as no doubt do The McCanns.  It is The Phones, if anyone can comprehend that.  Who spoke to whom, and when and from where.
I do hope that The McCanns will get their hands on that.  There are some things that even Scotland Yard can't deal with, having to stay within the bounds of The Law.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #231 on: November 01, 2015, 01:28:29 PM »
"The question is whether the McCanns can tackle this in a different manner, and personally, I think they can.  Whether they choose to is another matter."

I would be interested in what you are getting at. What different manner?
In the PJ Files, the statements are from those identified directly i.e. 'hunted' down as being of interest.  Then the line of questioning is whether they noticed anything abnormal.  Not what they noticed was normal, such as pedestrians or car traffic, but only the abnormal.

Personally, I would try to reconstruct where everyone was in Luz that night, what they were doing, who they saw or talked to, what phone service they were using, whether they made or received calls (to whom/topic).  I would cover from around 5pm to, say 11pm.

This would refine out a vast amount of dross, leaving the rest as more valuable material.

There is no way of doing this on a one-to-one basis.  So the method would be by a public appeal, asking such people to enter details in a form on the Internet.

Let me give you a couple of examples it might clear up.

If Tractorman was in Luz that night, my guess is that he was in Fernando's socialising with his buddies.  Since Tractorman is dead, he is not going supply any further information, but the buddies might, just might, confirm his alibi.

Or take The Cave Bar at 3, Primeiro de Maio.  It had a habit on a Thursday night of being frequented by the 'German club'.  Was the German club in the Cave Bar that night?  Can they provide each other with alibis?  Did they make phone calls that night that can be scored off the phone list?  Were the lady and gentlemen who ran the Cave Bar both working that night?

I cannot see why someone who can provide himself/herself with an alibi, ditto for buddies, not coming forward.  PROVIDED such an appeal reaches them AND a very easy response mechanism is used.

Although this sounds complex, in reality it is a simple survey of the type carried out often, just in a rather unique manner.

Should the private money run out, providing this data to OG and asking for a further review is another potential option.

I have attempted to map all the establishments in operation on 3 May 2007 between 8:30 to 10:30pm and the list is long. Lots of places where people could provide alibis for each other.

There is one heck of a lot of potential information still to be gleaned, provided one does not get fixated by Tannerman or Smithman, or tackling this in a traditional police manner.

Oh, and I'd have the survey in several languages, and make sure the media in various countries, including Portugal, are spoon fed a tasty story to maximise awareness of it.

And frankly, I'd release details of progress at various stages, to keep awareness high.  Who knows, I may yet find out what was on at the cinema that evening, when it shut down for the night, and how many people headed off into the night at closing time.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #232 on: November 04, 2015, 01:57:48 PM »
Oh my  @)(++(*

PJ police reveal: “We haven’t a clue who took Maddie”
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 03, 2015

As news that manpower behind Scotland Yard’s four-year investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is to be cut back to four officers did the rounds of the world’s press last week, a source from the PJ - carrying out a parallel investigation from Porto - admitted: “We haven’t a clue what happened” to the little girl who went missing from apartment 5a at Luz Ocean Club eight publicity-jammed years ago.

Despite all the police work - not to mention the millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money ploughed into Operation Grange launched in 2011 - police in Portugal say they are no closer to discovering the truth than they were on May 4, when Madeleine’s alleged abduction hit the headlines.

“This is worrying,” explained the source, “because in most cases where no-one is arrested or charged, we know what happened, we just can’t prove it. But in this case, rigorously, there is no definitive idea on what happened. We don’t know a thing.”

The source said it was “perfectly reasonable” to see Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation reduced to just four police officers after so much time, as now all material available has been analysed and it is time for the “second phase” - in which Portugal will be lending its full support.

“We have a great relationship with the Metropolitan Police,” the source confirmed. “And the PJ has never stopped worrying about this case. It is important to try and find answers.”

What was intriguing about the statement put out by Scotland Yard last week is that British police are no longer talking about an abduction.

The truncated investigation centres on “the disappearance” of the little girl. Sky News also refers to the case as a “disappearance”.

Talking to Sky last week, the McCanns’ press spokesman Clarence Mitchell said his clients were buoyed by the fact that eight years on they still feel there is no evidence to suggest that their daughter “has come to any harm”.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

http://portugalresident.com/pj-police-reveal-%E2%80%9Cwe-haven%E2%80%99t-a-clue-who-took-maddie%E2%80%9D
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #233 on: November 04, 2015, 10:58:00 PM »
Lol kates tweedle dee and tweedle dum and incompetent p j, they will have the last word  and she will eat all her words one day

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #234 on: November 04, 2015, 11:02:00 PM »
Oh my  @)(++(*

PJ police reveal: “We haven’t a clue who took Maddie”
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 03, 2015

As news that manpower behind Scotland Yard’s four-year investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is to be cut back to four officers did the rounds of the world’s press last week, a source from the PJ - carrying out a parallel investigation from Porto - admitted: “We haven’t a clue what happened” to the little girl who went missing from apartment 5a at Luz Ocean Club eight publicity-jammed years ago.

Despite all the police work - not to mention the millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money ploughed into Operation Grange launched in 2011 - police in Portugal say they are no closer to discovering the truth than they were on May 4, when Madeleine’s alleged abduction hit the headlines.

“This is worrying,” explained the source, “because in most cases where no-one is arrested or charged, we know what happened, we just can’t prove it. But in this case, rigorously, there is no definitive idea on what happened. We don’t know a thing.”

The source said it was “perfectly reasonable” to see Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation reduced to just four police officers after so much time, as now all material available has been analysed and it is time for the “second phase” - in which Portugal will be lending its full support.

“We have a great relationship with the Metropolitan Police,” the source confirmed. “And the PJ has never stopped worrying about this case. It is important to try and find answers.”

What was intriguing about the statement put out by Scotland Yard last week is that British police are no longer talking about an abduction.

The truncated investigation centres on “the disappearance” of the little girl. Sky News also refers to the case as a “disappearance”.

Talking to Sky last week, the McCanns’ press spokesman Clarence Mitchell said his clients were buoyed by the fact that eight years on they still feel there is no evidence to suggest that their daughter “has come to any harm”.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

http://portugalresident.com/pj-police-reveal-%E2%80%9Cwe-haven%E2%80%99t-a-clue-who-took-maddie%E2%80%9D
PJ leaking again is it?  At least they admit two things: 1) Madeleine was taken and 2) they haven't got a clue.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #235 on: November 04, 2015, 11:03:54 PM »
Lol kates tweedle dee and tweedle dum and incompetent p j, they will have the last word  and she will eat all her words one day

delusion.....the PJ have suffered the indignation of seeing SY having to intervene due to their incompetence and their original SIO humiliated by several Portuguese judicial verdicts

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #236 on: November 05, 2015, 03:13:14 AM »
delusion.....the PJ have suffered the indignation of seeing SY having to intervene due to their incompetence and their original SIO humiliated by several Portuguese judicial verdicts
But SY have a subsidiary role Davel - it is the PJ who are in charge. My guess is that the Operation Grange interviews of the T9 were only possible due to rogatory letters from the PJ - what do you think?
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 03:15:31 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #237 on: November 05, 2015, 11:12:17 AM »
The MPS response is: The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.

High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.

from Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2011090001190
5 October 2011

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id282.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #238 on: November 06, 2015, 12:11:40 AM »
The MPS response is: The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.

High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.

from Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2011090001190
5 October 2011

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id282.html

How does SY strict secrecy pile up with loads of newspaper reports for months and months on who and where and when they were looking for???

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #239 on: November 06, 2015, 12:44:41 AM »
How does SY strict secrecy pile up with loads of newspaper reports for months and months on who and where and when they were looking for???

Elimination isn't their main focus. They released the efits but have released no names. The papers can write what they feed them about possible suspects or different lines of inquiry but it doesn't mean it's their main focus which is being kept secret.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.